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Turkey’s EU membership process frozen in cold ‘European winter’
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10.       tunci
7149 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 01:06 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

Then why were you angry?

 

 

 First, I am NOT angry. I am sick of bunch of European politician´s double starndart approach with Turkiye. There is a difference. Their excuises and fear of potential Turkiye´s EU membership by thinking  that We might invade Europe. they have other fears and political, religious ,racist concerns too...But after all silly things , they need us more than we need them for long term.

 

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11.       scalpel
1472 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 01:39 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Why is Tunci angry with EU?............ Cut off his hands or ears?

 

 

That might be something more important else?  {#emotions_dlg.holy}

 

12.       tunci
7149 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 01:44 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

That might be something more important else?  {#emotions_dlg.holy}

 

 

 Such as ?

13.       Abla
3648 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 01:48 pm

Quote:myself

"Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it."

Why did I have to mention it? Now I cannot be in peace until I know how to say it in Turkish. Tried

         Bir şey istediğinde dikkatli ol onu verebilirsin

but it sounds left-handed and just like there is something missing  -  there is this conditional in the second part of the English sentence. Besides, this is supposed to be a well known saying and Google doesn´t ring a bell (and I don´t mean the translator for God´s sake).

14.       deli
5904 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 01:52 pm

And whats wrong with being left handed apparently we make the best sportsmen/womenWink

15.       Abla
3648 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:13 pm

To be honest, deli, I just bagged the word from an online dictionary because it sounded better than the ones I usually use. Or more laid-back and convincing just like I spoke English all the time.

At least I know that left-footed footballers are valuable. Besides, if you watch TV news about highest education and they show a backgroud image from the polytechnic, all the students there write with their left.

16.       deli
5904 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:17 pm

its ok I was just kidding with you, but yes I am left handed and left footed and yes I can play a mean game of foottie ,well,{#emotions_dlg.yes} in my younger days anyway

17.       tunci
7149 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:21 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Quote:myself

"Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it."

Why did I have to mention it? Now I cannot be in peace until I know how to say it in Turkish. Tried

         Bir şey istediğinde dikkatli ol onu verebilirsin

but it sounds left-handed and just like there is something missing  -  there is this conditional in the second part of the English sentence. Besides, this is supposed to be a well known saying and Google doesn´t ring a bell (and I don´t mean the translator for God´s sake).

 

 The closest literal translation for it would be ;

 Ne dilediğine dikkat et çünkü gerçekleşebilir.[başına gelebilir].

But , I am thinking if we have a proverb or saying that is an exact  equivalent of it in Turkish.

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18.       Abla
3648 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:30 pm

But you are right, deli, the use of right and left in language often shows discrimination. In the Islamic culture right is often connected to righteousness (you see, even in English). In the Arabic Qur´an there is talk about ahl-il-yameen (people of the right) and ahl-il-shamaal (people of the left). The Jewish name Benjamin means ´the boy of the right´ etc. In the old days left-handed children were often forced to learn how to act with their right. Partly this is a misunderstanding: in the Islamic sunnah the only thing that you are not allowed to do with your left is eating. But this is how language reflects attitudes.

19.       harp00n
3993 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:39 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

To be honest, I am not watching TV neither I read papers.

Why? Why is Tunci angry with EU? Has EU harmed Tunci? Cut off his hands or ears? Killed his beloved?

 

 

I think, when you read/watch news  or search something about it, you will understand tunci easily 

 

20.       lemon
1374 posts
 12 Dec 2011 Mon 02:44 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 First, I am NOT angry. I am sick of bunch of European politician´s double starndart approach with Turkiye. There is a difference. Their excuises and fear of potential Turkiye´s EU membership by thinking  that We might invade Europe. they have other fears and political, religious ,racist concerns too...But after all silly things , they need us more than we need them for long term.

 

 

All you say is true. EU indeed is scared that Turks will invade EU. They have already partly done so (in the far past and today). Yes, there are other political and religious fears. Those fears have their grounds, they are not fictional. The experience shows that. Constant terror acts and demographic growth of Turks and other asians across Europe.

Now having said that above, I should say it is even better that Turkey doents join EU. You and others repeatedly have mentioned the reasons why shouldnt Turkey be let into EU. Turkey is doing far well without EU. I personally do not view this union positively now for couple of years. It looks good, but its not doing well in fact.

I think the good luck has turned away from the west and is accumulating in the east slowly but steadily. A few years ago not many people would confirm the potential and wealth of China.

If you agree with me if EU isnt good for Turkey then why do you get cross with the opinion of EU? Why is every Turk is unhappy when EU rejects access for Turkey?

It gives me a thought that truly deep in your heart you DO WISH to be part of EU. And whenever it rejects it makes you angry, otherwise why care?

Lets say that I have applied for the membership of one popular club, filled in all possible papers, submitted, in return I received an answer to fulfill certain conditions, quite a big list. So I try and re-apply again and again every year. Meanwhile I have prosperred myself and started observing the negative fruits of the club. What do I do? Keep applying or gladly withdraw and concentrate on my own business and multiply my own wealth?

I would chose the second option. And would never mention the club again and show no regret, anger or disappointment with anything associated with the club.

 

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