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40.       acute
202 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 12:05 am

 

Quoting stumpy

oh and by the way accute thank you for turning this post which I was finding supportive and incouraging into a "you are so stupid for..." post

 

your welcome

keep on smoking and eating and lets see what happens  to your health in the next few years. keep me posted

41.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 12:06 am

oh how it is nice to be able to tell others that they are not perfect like you



Edited (3/4/2012) by stumpy

42.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 12:17 am

OK. It is quite obvious that the smoking problem or excessive kilos is not a problem between us. Those are our individual problems and the best help you can offer to others (if you are sincere) would be sharing your own experience. I think I tried to share mine as it came to my mind.

In fact, anyone would realize that I am going through a special period in time. I am in the process of losing my father and the reason is his smoking habit. Hence the apparent touchy language of my previous post. I tried to reveal my feeling as much as my English would let me.

There must always be someone who does not quite like the tone or the words or even the mood with which an article is written. For your information, I hardly ever state that I like a message. It just may have a statistical significance. In my opinion, every opinion can be considered right in a certain context. Sometimes, people say they like my messages, sometimes people say they hate them. It is all up to them. I have nothing else to say about their preferences.

 

43.       acute
202 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 12:41 am

 

Quoting vineyards

OK. It is quite obvious that the smoking problem or excessive kilos is not a problem between us. Those are our individual problems and the best help you can offer to others (if you are sincere) would be sharing your own experience. I think I tried to share mine as it came to my mind.

In fact, anyone would realize that I am going through a special period in time. I am in the process of losing my father and the reason is his smoking habit. Hence the apparent touchy language of my previous post. I tried to reveal my feeling as much as my English would let me.

There must always be someone who does not quite like the tone or the words or even the mood with which an article is written. For your information, I hardly ever state that I like a message. It just may have a statistical significance. In my opinion, every opinion can be considered right in a certain context. Sometimes, people say they like my messages, sometimes people say they hate them. It is all up to them. I have nothing else to say about their preferences.

 

Vineyard I have nothing but respect for you and your difficult situation you are going through. I support and understand your pain. What I don´t support is people who laugh off that they now only smoke 15 cigarettes a day and are a vision of health. What about the people around them..... the ones like you that have to watch them with COPD and lung cancer and when they wait until the start of downfall of health before they do anything to stop their habit.

There are drugs, therapy and support if they want it , but they always wait till it is to late.

Smoke hurts the small capillaries, veins and arteries which also could be a reason why a blood clot exists and doesn´t heal proper. I have seen to many people die from smoking and drinking and overdoses to say it is ok even in moderation. 

I SAY NO TO SMOKING DRINKING AND DRUG FOREVER

I have held the hands of many who are distract as they watch their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, spouses, children or spouses go down this path to  be nice about it and put a pink fluffy blanket on it and say lets pretend......

I wish you well and all the strength you can muster for this trying time and hope that history will not repeat with your son.

take care and regards

 



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44.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 01:03 am

Let me have a say on this matter. My father always smoked as long as I know him and now %70 of his lungs doesnt work. And do you know what he is doing now? He is still smoking. He will die because of it and he doesn´t care. If I had the power I would lock him in a room and save his life but this is not possible. So please stop smoking and killing yourselves and pay attention what acute says. Because she says the bitter truth.

45.       scalpel
1472 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 02:07 am

 

Quoting acute

 

I SAY NO TO SMOKING DRINKING AND DRUG FOREVER

 

 

living like a veggie!.. 

Okay.. no smoke, no drug.. but..

will you  let me have some Rakı with my dinner please? No?

46.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 06:13 am

Quote: gokuyum

Let me have a say on this matter. My father always smoked as long as I know him and now %70 of his lungs doesnt work. And do you know what he is doing now? He is still smoking. He will die because of it and he doesn´t care. If I had the power I would lock him in a room and save his life but this is not possible. So please stop smoking and killing yourselves and pay attention what acute says. Because she says the bitter truth.

My grandfather lived to the ripe old age of 96, smoked all his life and eat red meat and drank alcool.

What acute so obviously missed is that I went from 50 cigarettes(2 packs) a day down to 10 to 15 cigarettes.  For some quitting cold turkey is impossible, it has to be done gradually.  My exact quote:  I have on the other hand cut down the amounts of cigarettes I smoke, I went down from 2 packs a day to about 10 to 15 cigs a day, eventually I will stop but for now I do not feel ready.

I have always exercised, I am probably more involved in sports than she is and also I am a vegetarian, have been since way before my infarction. 

So for her to judge me by the pictures she has seen on my facebook and be able to asses my health condition by those photos is rather complicated.  Before she comes and tells me to louse weight she should take a good look at herself because I have seen pictures of her also and she is rather a little round herself.  It is rather hypocritical of her to tell me to stop stuffing my face, maby she should heed her own advice.

I know the bitter thruth about life being short, my cardiologist said that I should not have survived my infartion, it is rare that a person in their late 30´s early 40´s survives an infarction, but I have no cholesterol build up in my arteries, no hardening of the arteries everything they said I should stop eating I do not eat and haven´t eaten in ages.  Eventually I will be a non smoker and people who have never smoked in their lives DO NOT KNOW how difficult it is.  So to treat us smokers like the way she did is totally uncalled for. 

And one last thing when you have held the hand of a loved one who is dieing, who has never smoked, taken care of their health and was the picture of fitness and hear them say "why, I did everything the doctors and health specialists said to do and I am still dieing".  His last request to me was to share a good cuban cigar, a glass of my best scotch and a peice of chocolate cake, things that he did not normally have because his body was a "temple". Makes someone think, I find.

47.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 07:53 am

coodos to you acute if you do not smoke or drink and is the perfect picture of health, I would rather trust and be friends with people that have flaws, just do not judge others because karma is a bitch and it will come back and bite you in the backside and it really wasn´t nice what you said to abla but what can we expect from you

 

48.       acute
202 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 08:02 am

 

Quoting stumpy

coodos to you acute if you do not smoke or drink and is the perfect picture of health, I would rather trust and be friends with people that have flaws, just do not judge others because karma is a bitch and it will come back and bite you in the backside and it really wasn´t nice what you said to abla but what can we expect from you

What acute so obviously missed is that I went from 50 cigarettes(2 packs) a day down to 10 to 15 cigarettes.  For some quitting cold turkey is impossible, it has to be done gradually.  My exact quote:  I have on the other hand cut down the amounts of cigarettes I smoke, I went down from 2 packs a day to about 10 to 15 cigs a day, eventually I will stop but for now I do not feel ready.

I have always exercised, I am probably more involved in sports than she is and also I am a vegetarian, have been since way before my infarction. 

So for her to judge me by the pictures she has seen on my facebook and be able to asses my health condition by those photos is rather complicated.  Before she comes and tells me to louse weight she should take a good look at herself because I have seen pictures of her also and she is rather a little round herself.  It is rather hypocritical of her to tell me to stop stuffing my face, maby she should heed her own advice.

 

so once again you attack to take the attention off yourself ( most addicts will find a way to justify their own actions)

Bravo!

being a vegetarian and smoking is no different than a person who eats meat. It is the smoking part that will kill you and cause to not only burden family memebers and love ones it taxes our healthcare system with diesease that should not exist in todays society. Especially when we know the causes and reasons for them. I have no sympathy for someone who does not find the proper channels of help to quit an addiction. The money paid for your cigarettes would surely be put to better use. First off to help pay for you to quit and after that maybe a membership to a sport club to keep you active and physically strong for your ailing health and age. You might even make friends that you can help and share your difficult plight of being an x-smoker. I hope you find something in all of this battle back and forth to make you realize the damage you do to yourself. Like a car...............if you never do maintenance on it and feed it bad gas it will eventually quit on you......... is a no brainer really for anyone who smokes. Your body will just stop  healing the damage you do to it.

first you dont´ know me have never shared facebook with me. I have never shared photos with you or talked to you in private. I have only seen what you have posted on here and in the chat room. I just looked up who you are and seen all your photo´s of turkey visit etc...

second I am less than half your age never smoked never did drugs and exercise hard at least 30 minutess daily. I do not have a weight problem because I only eat what my body needs not what my eyes need.

Anyone including a 5 year old child will say that the smell  of cigarette smoke is yucky and it hurts theirs eyes and they choke when they catch a breath of it.They don´t like it and will say it is not good. So why would a grown adult find the way to practise breathing hot smoke filled with chemcials into their lungs till they get it perfect.? One cigarette two cigarettes or your fifteenth, it does not matter which cigarette causes cancer and other related health issues. It is like playing russian roulette with a gun partially loaded. I honestly believe that people who smoke, do illegal drugs or excessive drinking should not be allowed on the same healthcare list for translplant, surgeries or medical treatment as a nonsmoker. Now when they go through treatment for their abuse and are clean for at least 6 months  than they may join the others in our over burdened healthcare system again.

There really is not reason to smoke, you can not justify any reason that would make any sense. You don´t just wake up one day and say yes I am a smoker. You need to continue to practise it.

you could use nicotine patches and there is zoloft and other drugs that will take the curb off to help you quit.  It would be better to use these items for a couple months than to continue smoking. Therapy helps and hypnotherapy also can help some. What I am trying to get across is there is more than one way to quit. Especially where you live stumpy any doctor´s office will start the ball rolling to helping you quit.

 

 



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49.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 08:04 am

Quote: acute

so once again you attack to take the attention off yourself 

Bravo!

And you are having a polite conversation?  If you think I have attacked you then so be it, seems we do not have the same definition of what attacking is

 



Edited (3/4/2012) by stumpy

50.       acute
202 posts
 04 Mar 2012 Sun 08:15 am

 

Quoting stumpy

 

And you are having a polite conversation?  If you think I have attacked you then so be it, seems we do not have the same definition of what attacking is

 

I guess you just don´t have enough common sense to see what lies ahead of you

According to the Lung Cancer Foundation of America, 60 per cent of new lung cancer diagnoses happen to non-smokers, 15 per cent of whom have never smoked a day in their life (the rest are former smokers who quit 10, 20 or even 30 years prior to diagnosis). The American Lung Association estimates that active smoking is responsible for close to 90 per cent of lung cancer cases; radon causes 10 per cent, and occupational exposures to carcinogens account for approximately 9 to 15 per cent.

The above statistics are a perfect example of prevention. If the evidence suggests that active smoking is responsible for 90 per cent of lung cancer cases then not smoking would eliminate 90 per cent of the lung cancer cases in the world. That’s huge because its one of the most common diagnosed cancers and one of the more deadly to be diagnosed with — especially at a later stage.

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