Who gives a damn about what people say ?

I am showing the rational way, to those who can understand it. That is all !

If you think freedom of expression includes the right to insult others, you should not be offended if I call you - and your admirers - the greatest idiots in this site.

I would be careful if I were you.. You should know by now what comes after lowering the bar of morality. 

I cannot believe my eyes. The forum language is supposed to be English. Even if every single Turk ignored it it is still English.

What thehandsom wrote about is freedom of word, the right to think differently and express it in public. These values do not seem very popular at TC but I support them always and everywhere.

It is so cool that he is back.

Freedom of word does not give you a right to wishing people bad. [cursing if you like] --> by saying " You would [will] be with your dictator [Atatürk] after this life [in hell] ---> Do you call this "freedom of word" ? By the way ,I didnt know he was the protector of the values on this site. 

Süperkahramanımız diktatördü buna denecek laf yok Fakat din de dogmadır.Herhangi bir dini inanç üzerinden kurulan bir düzen sorgulanamaz ;bir mantığa oturmaz dinadamlardan oluşan üst bir sınıf yaratmayı öngörür.Boşuna tartışmayınız ;hem bu konu tarihçilerin ve teologların işidir  hem de zannımca burası yeri değildir.

A long polemic without me at the end. Now I can die happily

Now that you ask  -  yes.

Behaving oneself is another thing. Insulting other people´s feelings seldom gives good results.

Of course he was. I would not jump into the middle and scream about it but I would respect people who want to say that. Religion? of course it is a dogma too.  Same type of criticism is allowed for Mohammed/jesus/budha etc.  Actually the way you see the reactions from both groups to the criticism are showing the same sort of nature.   

Halkı tarafından bu kadar sahiplenilmiş, halkı ile omuz birliği yaparak yurt topraklarını işgalcilerden kurtarmış, Türkiye´yi modernleştirme adına bu kadar çabalarda bulunmuş bir insan için şu an tamamen olumsuz bir anlama sahip olan diktatör kelimesinin kullanılmasını doğru bulmuyorum. Böyle bir kelimeyi Atatürk için kullanmak onu Hitler, Stalin, Mussoliniyle aynı kefeye koymaktır. Ama bu asla doğru değil. Kısaca ifade edeyim: yemezler 

I never put Ataturk as the same level as Hitler/Stalin etc. I also have a great respect for what he did and I am greatful what he did.

However it does not change the fact that he was not a very democratical person. People who think that they are protecting Ataturk are the people who are damaging his values and his reputation the most by trying to create this so self delusional almost god-like perceptions of Ataturk.

He has my almost utmost respect. I show my respect with the knowledge of him. He was a human being, he did the most he could do for this country. You trying to show him like a  some kind of North Koran leader who can not be cristicised etc  is damaging him. But he was not very fond of democracy which we know in these days.

But does this change the fact about what he did? NO. does it the reason not to respect him becuase of this? NO. Does he require your protection? NO

It is best you can get a grip of this fact.

Aramızda muhtemelen tarihçier de var, teologlar da...Her iki sınıfa da girmiyorsanız, konular da ağır geliyorsa, dışında kalabilirsiniz.

Atatürk diktatör değildi. Anadoluya gectiğinde ilk işi bir millet meclisi toplamak üzere çalışmak olmuştur. Yaşamı boyunca, Başkumandanlık Meydan Muharebesi esnasında kısa bir dönem hariç, meclisi kısmen de olsa etkisiz ve yetkisiz kıldığı olmamıştır.

Yobazlar ne derlerse desinler, Türk Kurtulus Savaşının gayet pragmatik Kurani temellere oturtulduğu da asla yadsınamaz. Bu konuda bilinen teologlardan Sn Yaşar Nuri Öztürk´ün bir kitabı var...henüz yasaklanmadıysa piyasada bulunabilir.