Why even not me?

I hope they will never come back. I want peace.

I understand the current agreement with Apo clearly mentions that armed PKK members currently on the mountains will leave Turkia and go to other countries.

However, THAT THEY WILL NEVER COME BACK IS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN THE AGREEMENT.

We may have a surprise party anytime soon.....

Since the begining of this year, the state opened the talks with PKK and Ocalan (the jailed leader of PKK) (or started doing this publicly)

Since then, the PKK leader, despite he is in jail,  become quite prominant in politics. Ocalan and the state agreed on something. According to Ocalan, the time of  weapons is over.  In Newros in Diyarbakir, his letter was read to over 1 million Kurds (in 21st of March). In his letter he ordered the PKK fighters to leave Turkey. He said they are moving from armed struggle to political struggle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21874427

The state is adjusting itself according to the peace. ie. Letting PKK fighters to leave Turkey.  Possibly an amnesty will follow.

I think most the population is ready for this new paradigm too. Only some outdated people are objecting.

excuse me if i refuse to believe that pkk is a kurdish movement and connected with kurd teali guild back in the world war 1. its true that these guilds and cemiyets have been worked upon for almost like 200 years and their situation constantly misrepresented and improved for centuries, but i dont think that pkk is a result of this. its true that they used this misconception to help themselves with numbers, but if you take a moment and think about their tactics and the dates that they have started "working" you will see that the core strategy is far from a simple rebellion or a result of "fake assimilation".

if pkk was directly related with the mistreatment of kurds, this movement would have died as soon as it started. it wouldve died at 60, or 80, like the rest of such people-based movements. but any eneral in the army will tell you that pkk is a foreign threat that takes its strenght from beyond the border, syria, iran and iraq. everybody knows that they have training camps almost everywhere, greece and israel being the top most. do you know any other ethnicity-related movement that received so much foreign support anywhere else in the world?

if it was a simple final-chain-of-the-eastern-rebellions than 1- 5 million kurds would be supporting it and the country wouldve turned upside down 2- the ethnic demographics of pkk would not include a 60% armenian rate 3- they wouldnt be using heavy weapons such as mortars, rocket launchers, anti air missles, light cannons and light weapons which were all more advanced than the ones that being were used by the turkish army in 90s, they would be using simple handguns.

plus its a bit far-off guess to think that this teali and cemiyet movements that were parented by britian and france in ww1 are still being supported and seriously worked upon by england at the moment. i dont know france though. but i dont think their intelligence is as advanced to work above and around the american, iranian, barzani and israeli intelligence in the region.

i do agree however that this fight has hit the knife to the bone and everybody is sick and tired of it and no foreign games can change the turkish mind that is set for peace right now.

I think in the end, it is up to you if PKK is the result of 90 years of Kurdish politics of our republic or not. Or in generic, you call our policies of creating ´one nation´ ´fake asimilation´.

This movement or PKK did not go away or died away because the mistreatement of Kurds continued. That is simply the truth. Now, they are asking for equality and a life as Kurds. This is as simple as that. Any general in the army? I would not believe them. We heard that ´foreign element´ as a story since the begining of PKK. Infact, if you check the history there were almost ´foreign elements in every rebellion´. (Even in Sheik Sait rebellion- later, Inonu said it was not the truth ). Foreign elements rethoric has gone long time ago.  Even the president says that the problem is inside our borders.

But anyway, all these argumants were for one thing and one thing only: A turkey without terrorism and a Turkey, where everybody lives with their own identity. A better Turkey. More democratical Turkey.

And it seems like we are a step closer to that objective.

Thank you for the explanation, that is interesting. What do the Kurdish people get in return though? But who are the PKK fighters that will leave the country? I thought it was a guerrilla type of an organization. 

Also, how is this helping Erdogan become president? Aren´t Kurdish people incredibly unpopular and wouldn´t it be more populist of him to just continue the "war on terror"?

(...) in September 1925, a council at the League of Nations decided to advise leaving the Mosul to the British Mandate of Mesopotamia. Turkey decided to resist this advice and prevent a final decision (awarding it to Britain). The border between Turkish forces (Turkey) and British forces (British Mandate of Mesopotamia) was based on the Brussels line and, beginning in November 1924, the escalating rebellion was a threat to prove that the Brussels line is not the correct line, which left the Kurds divided.

The rebellion diminished the negotiating power of Turkey and the Ottoman province of Musul was assigned to British Mandate of Mesopotamia. The final conclusion of the rebellion from existent powers were the British have the control of Mosul and Turkey were the chance of uniting Mosul Province, Ottoman Empire to Turkey.

The 1920 Koçkiri rebellion in the overwhelmingly Kizilba§ Dersim region, while waged by the Kizilba§ Koçkiri tribe, was masterminded by members of an organisation known as the Kürdistan Taâlî Cemiyeti (KTC) (van Bruinessen, Utrecht, 1978: footnote 35: 446 and Olson, 1989: 26-33).and to obtain British assistance, realising that Kurdistan could not stand alone (Olson, 1989: 45).

Three months after the Treaty of Sèvres was signed, the Society together with leaders of the Koçkiri tribe (Alevi–Kurd) revolted at Dersim in eastern Asia Minor.^[1] It is documented that the organisation was used by the English in order to fight against Turkish nationalists.

the head participants of şeyh said rebellion were also members of the kürt teali cemiyeti during the british invasion, like şeyh abdülkadir. the whole thing was coordinated by the teali guild which was created by the british to fight against the ottoman empire. kurdistan at that time was the british mandate of mesopotamia. the whole thing was about musul-kerkük. it would be outright fallacy to claim that the whole rebellion was an inside-thing. it was definitely a foreign matter. there are countless british intelligences about this. inönüs comment is too weak against the historical facts.

you keep being skeptical against every general in the army and parrot the kurdish nationalists sayings. very objective.

Sheikh Said rebbellion was more like a nationalist rebellion against Ankara´s ´sudden´ change about Turkish Nationalism. Though Sheikh himself was a religious person and rebelled because Ankara returned caliphate back to Saudi Arabia, others who started the rebellion were nationalists.

Although that rebellion weaked Turkey´s hand during the negotiations about Musul and Kerkuk, there is no concrete evidence Sheikh Sait rebellion had something to do with foreigners. When you look at the situation, British governement were a bit scared that Turkey going down on Musul and Kerkuk and that will be the resulting in continuation of the war. But they used Turkey´s handling of the rebellion as a reason why mainly Kurdish polpulated Musul and Kerkuk should not be left to Turkey.

In 1924 March, using Kurdish language in courts were banned. At the same time Kurdish at schools were banned. Almost all Kurdish schools were closed. And at the same time education tax was put into action. Kurds strangely, started to pay education tax for their closed schools. When Ankara  returned caliphate back to SArabia, that was the last straw for some Kurds.

Comin back to foreign elements. Inonu was between all these. He was PM the president and the second most powerful man in the state after Ataturk. His words are important. As long as there is no evidence and only rumors we have about this foreign elements, I am afraid, I wont give any credits.  

In the end, it is best if we know our history better.

On March 26, 1946, due to pressure from Western powers including the United States, the Soviets promised the Iranian government that they would pull out of northwestern Iran. In June, Iran reasserted its control over Iranian Azerbaijan. This move isolated the Republic of Mahabad, eventually leading to its destruction.

The Republic of Mahabad depended on Soviet support. Archibald Bulloch Roosevelt, Jr., grandson of the former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, wrote in "The Kurdish Republic of Mahabad" that a main problem of the People´s Republic of Mahabad was that the Kurds needed the assistance of the USSR; only with the Red Army did they have a chance. However, this close relationship to the USSR alienated the republic from most Western powers, causing them to side with Iran. Qazi Muhammad did not deny that his republic was funded and supplied by the Soviets, but did deny that the Kurdish Democratic Party (KDP) was a communist party. He claimed that this was a lie fabricated by the Iranian military authorities, and added that his ideals were very different from the Soviets´.^[4]

Qazi Muhammad´s internal support eventually declined, especially among the Kurdish tribes who had supported him initially. Their crops and supplies were dwindling, and their way of life was becoming hard as a result of the isolation. Economic aid and military assistance from the Soviet Union was now gone, and the tribes saw no reason to support Qazi Muhammad. Many tribes began to leave. The townspeople and the tribes had a large divide between them, and their alliance for Mahabad was crumbling. As previously stated, the tribes and their leaders had only supported Qazi Muhammad for his economic and military aid from the Soviet Union. Once that was gone, many did not see the purpose in staying with Qazi Muhammad. Other tribes resented the Barzanis, since they did not like sharing their already dwindling resources with them. Some Kurds deserted Mahabad, including one of Mahabad´s own marshals, Amir Khan. Mahabad was economically bankrupt, and it would have been nearly impossible for Mahabad to have been economically sound without harmony with Iran^[5]

Those who stayed began to resent the Barzani Kurds, as they had to share their resources with them.

On December 5, 1946, the war council told Qazi Muhammad that they would fight and resist the Iranian army if they tried to enter the region. The lack of Kurdish tribal support however made Qazi Muhammad only see a massacre upon the Kurdish civilians performed by the Iranian army rather than Kurdish rebellion. This forced him to avoid war at all cost, even if it meant sacrificing himself for his people, which eventually happened and lead to his execution.

On December 15, 1946, Iranian forces entered and secured Mahabad. Once there, they closed down the Kurdish printing press, banned the teaching of Kurdish language, and burned all Kurdish books that they could find. Finally, on March 31, 1947, Qazi Muhammad was hanged in Mahabad on counts of treason

For details check wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Mahabad

history is not interpretation. there are facts. and against the facts i posted you are just coming with opininons. you said that şeyh said had nothing to do with foreign powers even though it was exactly the opposite.

if the whole thing was about a swap to turkish nationalism why didnt the laz, suryani, rum rebel? there were mor arabs than zazas at that time in turkey. why didnt they rebel?

"When Ankara  returned caliphate back to SArabia, that was the last straw for some Kurds." ----> what are you even talking about? turkey never returned calphate back to arabia. they destroyed it. this bit of info pretty much shows that you dont know what you are talking about.

Abdülmecid II, (with various alternate spellings, including Abdul Mejid, Aakhir Khalifatul Muslimeen Sultan Abd-ul-Mejid and Abdul Medjit (Turkish: Abdülmecit; Ottoman Turkish: عبد المجید الثانی, Abdâlmecid el-Sâni  ( 29/30 May 1868 – 23 August/23 September 1944; reigned 19 November 1922 – 3 March 1924)) was the last Caliph of Islam from the Ottoman Dynasty, nominally the 37th Head of the Ottoman Imperial House from 1922 to 1924.

A last attempt at restoring the caliphal office and style with ecumenical recognition was made by al-Husayn ibn `Ali al-Hashimi, King of Hejaz and Sharif of Mecca, who assumed both on 11 March 1924 and held them until 3 October 1924, when he passed the kingship to his son `Ali ibn al-Husayn al-Hashimi, who did not adopt the caliphal office and style.^[17]

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In 1924 March, using Kurdish language in courts were banned. At the same time Kurdish at schools were banned. Almost all Kurdish schools were closed. And at the same time education tax was put into action. Kurds strangely, started to pay education tax for their closed schools."

seriously where do you get all this nonsense from? cite me with your sources. march 24 is when all the medrese and ocak were connected to the central ministry of education. kurdish was not outlawed. for kurdish to be outlawed there should have been the word "kurdish" is the constitution. there is no such thing in the book sadly. the only time kurdish was outlawed was at the time of kenan evren. he describes his "mistake" like this:

"Evren’le söyleşiyi 2007 yılında, 12 Eylül’den 27 yıl sonra yapmıştım. Evren Paşa’nın pişmanlık duyduğu konu Kürtçeyi yasaklamasıydı.

-Anlatayım: 12 Eylül’de bir hatamız da oydu. Kürtçe konuşmayı yasakladık. Şöyle yasakladık: Konuşmalarda, mitinglerde, şurada burada Kürtçe konuşulmayacak. Okulda filan Kürtçe tedrisat yapılamaz. Neden dedik? Ben Devlet Başkanı’yken bir köyde ilkokula gittim. Üçüncü sınıfa mı dördüncü sınıfa mı girdim, hatırlamıyorum. Açtım kitabı, oku şunu, dedim çocuğa. ‘Kem-küm’ çoçuk okuyamıyor. Kızdım. Orada söyledim. Öğretmene döndüm; ‘Dördüncü sınıfa gelmiş Türkçeyi okuyamıyor, bu nasıl iş?’ dedim. Sonradan anlaşıldı ki, öğretmen de Kürt. Kürtçe yapıyor tedrisatı. Döndüm ve Kürtçe yasağını koyduk, Kürtçe tedrisat yapılamaz dedik. Ama biraz ağır yasak koyduk. Sonra bu yasak kaldırıldı, ama hataydı. Hata olduğunu sonradan anladım."

please know the history better yourself before trying to teach it to me.