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Prices for unviersity books
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1.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 06:10 pm

What do you usually pay for the books you need to use at university? In Holland, depending on the university, you have to pay between €400,- and €500,- each year for the books you buy or use. But I heard that in Türkiye they also use a lot of copies. Is this true? Or does it depend on university? If so, then what do you pay for the books at university?

Thanks in advance.

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 07:22 pm

Do you have to buy them through university or do you have a website similar to our Amazon (in Holland)? If you do you can always sell you books via Amazon too. So like me who spent £100's on books I have been able to sell most of them since.

3.       mltm
3690 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 07:34 pm

I don't know the others, but in my university we use photocopy a lot. Our photocopy center earns so much money I think, and he has most of the things we need there. Most of the teachers have their own notes in the photocopy center, or we find the photocopies of books we need as well, but for a few lessons we buy original books, it's better, but they're not still very very expensive. And usually this kind of books go more than one year. So, I'd say I pay for books 100-150 euros maximum per year, some years even much less.

4.       HomeSick
137 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 09:25 pm

Quoting mltm:

I don't know the others, but in my university we use photocopy a lot. Our photocopy center earns so much money I think, and he has most of the things we need there.



The thing with the photocopy centers is that they are not allowed by law to make full copies of books (against copyright laws ), but they do not follow that rule as we all know

I spent my undergraduate years in Turkey, METU, and again as long as I remember there was a rule that we cannot get a photocopy from the same book more than .. ?? pages I do not remember exactly. What I do remember is nobody was following that rule

And yes, funny and yet sad, they are making lots of money from illegal copies of text books.

5.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 09:26 pm

Thank you both! Anybody else who goes to University in Turkey and who can tell me about the system in his uni?

6.       erdinc
2151 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 09:32 pm

Many universities in Turkia have their own publications and they have a bookshop inside the campus.

7.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 09:38 pm

Quoting erdinc:

Many universities in Turkia have their own publications and they have a bookshop inside the campus.



But new books cost a fortune, especially in special campus bookshops At least, it's like that here!

8.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 09:44 pm

In my department, a price of an original copy of a book based USA is approx. USD 25-30. I need to have 3 or 4 books like that each semester (half year), but usually I don't buy the original one, even it seems cheaper than in Holland, it is very big amount for every student in Turkey, I think. So we get the photo-copies mostly. Generally, instructors allow that.

I just saw that restriction when I was in English preparatory class. I think, because some investigators from Oxford Pub. used to come and look sometimes.

9.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:03 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

In my department, a price of an original copy of a book based USA is approx. USD 25-30. I need to have 3 or 4 books like that each semester (half year), but usually I don't buy the original one, even it seems cheaper than in Holland, it is very big amount for every student in Turkey, I think. So we get the photo-copies mostly. Generally, instructors allow that.

I just saw that restriction when I was in English preparatory class. I think, because some investigators from Oxford Pub. used to come and look sometimes.



Ok.. well I'm pretty lucky in this case.. my money will be worth more in Türkiye when I get it changed, and the prices will be lower too. So for Dutch standards, life seems pretty cheap to me.. except that I don't get any scholarship, like everybody else in Holland gets. So that means my parents have to pay everything. So information like these is really important for me, so that i can learn how much money i need to ask from them.

The trouble will start when I get a Turkish salary because then i don'thave the advantage of the money rates anymore But that day is far from here.

10.       erdinc
2151 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:07 pm

If a book has been published by a State University's publisher then normally it is much cheaper than what a smillar book would cost in a normal bookshop.

For instance Ege University has their own publications. It is called "Ege Ãœniversitesi Yayınları".

Here you see a list of publication by the "Faculty of Letters" or Ege University:
http://edebiyat.ege.edu.tr/yayin.htm

I don't mean that most course books are going to be published by the university. This entirely depends on the departent and it depends to the university and lecturers. But I would expect more course books among university publications for the "Faculty of Letters" comparing to "faculty of science" for instance.

I think you will find the books very cheap comparing to the prices you pay now in your country. Only some imported books are going to be expensive but there aren't going to be any imported books related to Turkish Language and Literature.

11.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:11 pm

Quoting erdinc:

I think you will find the books very cheap comparing to the prices you pay now in your country. Only some imported books are going to be expensive but there aren't going to be any imported books related to Turkish Language and Literature.



THANK YOU

Yes, in highschool this year.. I paid €549,- euros for books!!! And that is just highschool!!! It is because i took many classes, btu still..the amount of money seems so absurd, because we barely used the books :-S


Once again, thank you.

My course the first year will only work with copies which we get handed out in class, so that even doesn't count for next year. I hope that the costs for Turkey will be around €1000-€2000,- a year cheaper than Holland..t hat would make my parents so happy

12.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:14 pm

Is it possible to buy books from the university which are not related to your own faculty? For example if I would be interested in German and English literature (which I am), would I be able to buy those books from the University itself too.. or is it only meant for those who attend the faculty they are produced for?

13.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:18 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Is it possible to buy books from the university which are not related to your own faculty? For example if I would be interested in German and English literature (which I am), would I be able to buy those books from the University itself too.. or is it only meant for those who attend the faculty they are produced for?



It depends on the university and department

14.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:19 pm

Quoting caliptrix:


It depends on the university and department



Ok Well it is EGE Ãœniversitesi, Turkish language and literature department.. but I don't think you know and don't be bothered to find it for me. Thanks for all the answers.

15.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:27 pm

Quoting erdinc:

If a book has been published by a State University's publisher then normally it is much cheaper than what a smillar book would cost in a normal bookshop.

For instance Ege University has their own publications. It is called "Ege Ãœniversitesi Yayınları".

Here you see a list of publication by the "Faculty of Letters" or Ege University:
http://edebiyat.ege.edu.tr/yayin.htm

I don't mean that most course books are going to be published by the university. This entirely depends on the departent and it depends to the university and lecturers. But I would expect more course books among university publications for the "Faculty of Letters" comparing to "faculty of science" for instance.

I think you will find the books very cheap comparing to the prices you pay now in your country. Only some imported books are going to be expensive but there aren't going to be any imported books related to Turkish Language and Literature.



I agree. In my faculty, some books are 5 YTL =~ USD 3.
Most of them are not more expensive than USD 10.

16.       erdinc
2151 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:33 pm

University publications are sold to public. They are definately available to anyone on their campus bookshop. Sometimes they are also available on high street bookshops. Some universities, for instance Boğaziçi, have their online bookshop. Recently I called Boğaziçi University's bookshop for the book "Kayıp Çanta" as it was out of print.
They have a series of books for foreigners. For instance their famous " Turkish For Foreigners" books (2 volumes) are widely available on everywhere.
Here is a link to their official page:
http://www.bupress.com/ToolBoxVA/Tools/Mds/Scripts/Books/Series.asp?ID=174

Not all university publications are so organised. A few times I went to some universities just to buy their books. I remember going to Hacettepe and Ege Universities and the prices were comical. The bonus was that I could meet the author as well and talk about their books.
I met Ioanna KUÇURADI at Hacettepe university. She is a famous Turkish Philosopher and she was very kind as I didn't have even an appointment.

17.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:34 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

I agree. In my faculty, some books are 5 YTL =~ USD 3.
Most of them are not more expensive than USD 10.



GREAT!

18.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:36 pm

Quoting erdinc:

University publications are sold to public. They are definately available to anyone on their campus bookshop. Sometimes they are also available on high street bookshops. Some universities, for instance Boğaziçi, have their online bookshop. Recently I called Boğaziçi University's bookshop for the book "Kayıp Çanta" as it was out of print.
They have a series of books for foreigners. For instance their famous " Turkish For Foreigners" books (2 volumes) are widely available on everywhere.
Here is a link to their official page:
http://www.bupress.com/ToolBoxVA/Tools/Mds/Scripts/Books/Series.asp?ID=174

Not all university publications are so organised. A few times I went to some universities just to buy their books. I remember going to Hacettepe and Ege Universities and the prices were comical. The bonus was that I could meet the author as well and talk about their books.
I met Ioanna KUÇURADI at Hacettepe university. She is a famous Turkish Philosopher and she was very kind as I didn't have even an appointment.



What do you mean with comical prices?

Haha that sounds great, if you just meet them

19.       janissary
0 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 10:59 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

What do you usually pay for the books you need to use at university? In Holland, depending on the university, you have to pay between €400,- and €500,- each year for the books you buy or use. But I heard that in Türkiye they also use a lot of copies. Is this true? Or does it depend on university? If so, then what do you pay for the books at university?

Thanks in advance.



yes. we usually dont pay for books coz there are their copies too. it s cheaper. and there are some short notes of these books prepared by lesson's teacher. they are seld in a photocopier near campuses or in universty. original books are approximately 20-30 YTl but their copies are 7-8 ytl

20.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 11:10 pm

Thank you abi!

21.       janissary
0 posts
 06 Jul 2006 Thu 11:26 pm

btw in every university all the fotocopiers are very famous person.

22.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:12 am

Quoting janissary:

btw in every university all the fotocopiers are very famous person.



How do you mean.. because all students know them?

23.       janissary
0 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:15 am

yes. all students know him. and he knows all the importend notes and and old exam questions

24.       MrX67
2540 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:16 am

theres 2 types universty students 1st type created by God for to take notes and 2nd type created by God to fotocopy the taken notes

25.       MrX67
2540 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:19 am

and studying in Universty is really very expensive for the avaradge Turkish families,especially technical sciences more expensive then social sciences

26.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:33 am

Quoting MrX67:

and studying in Universty is really very expensive for the avaradge Turkish families,especially technical sciences more expensive then social sciences



But I don't really get it.. because education at university in Turkey is almost for free :-S

But I won't do anything scientific or technic Please just gimme a language

27.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:33 am

Quoting janissary:

yes. all students know him. and he knows all the importend notes and and old exam questions



Ah sounds good

28.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:34 am

Quoting MrX67:

theres 2 types universty students 1st type created by God for to take notes and 2nd type created by God to fotocopy the taken notes



Well I'm both If I'm in a good fruitful mood, I take good notes myself.. but even when I take them.. it's nice if you have 2 different papers of the same subject.. because by reading one paper a few times, you easily get the feeling you already know it because you read exactly the same before. If you take the notes of someone else, you will read something new

29.       janissary
0 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:36 am

ım second type I cant read even my hand writing

30.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:39 am

Quoting janissary:

ım second type I cant read even my hand writing



Hahahahah!! Hmm well mine is fine enough to read, and sometimes I'm so horribly organised that I write as clear as possible, use a lot of arrows (->) for conclusions etc and use a highlighter for terms Unfortunately these moments are rare, but they are there!!

31.       deli
5904 posts
 07 Jul 2006 Fri 12:41 am

even i cant read my hand writing

32.       janissary
0 posts
 08 Jul 2006 Sat 07:09 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting janissary:

ım second type I cant read even my hand writing



Hahahahah!! Hmm well mine is fine enough to read, and sometimes I'm so horribly organised that I write as clear as possible, use a lot of arrows (->) for conclusions etc and use a highlighter for terms Unfortunately these moments are rare, but they are there!!



you are very lucky you dont need to read all book like me most of women have nice hand writing. they sit in front anfd take notes all the time. Even they note whatever teacher said. one time I took a note from a friend she had written " good morning friends, you dont need to write this, silince please,....etc"

33.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 08 Jul 2006 Sat 10:49 am

Quoting janissary:

one time I took a note from a friend she had written " good morning friends, you dont need to write this, silince please,....etc"



Well I don't do such

34.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 08 Jul 2006 Sat 11:55 am

I just made some calculations and I came to the conclusion that if I spend my money carefully in Türkiye, that 5 years of living and going to University in Türkiye, is the same price as studying 4 years in Holland wíth a scholarship of about €3000,- a year

Despite the fact in Holland I would also have a parttime job and be able to contribute to the costs, which I can't in Türkiye.. I think when I tell t his my parents, it's good news!

How difficult/easy/trustworthy is it to loan money in Türkiye from a bank?

35.       phoena
94 posts
 09 Jul 2006 Sun 01:05 pm

Quoting janissary:


you are very lucky you dont need to read all book like me most of women have nice hand writing. they sit in front anfd take notes all the time. Even they note whatever teacher said. one time I took a note from a friend she had written " good morning friends, you dont need to write this, silince please,....etc"





Even my sister did that.. she can even read out the punctuations

36.       phoena
94 posts
 09 Jul 2006 Sun 01:13 pm

IS there any e-Books available @ the Universities?

I do think it's easier that way. Students can download in computers and select the subjects, pages,etc. From there, students can submit their homework to teachers. This of course... would be control by Logins & passwords so that students don't abuse the facilities or illegal copying.

This format also, will help students lessen the burden of fees. Hmm, of course, the varsities will have to get more computers if these method is to implement. I think Education Ministries should consider to reduce taxation rates for students or families who owns computers... Like in my country...

At times i wonder why educational materials are expensive... IT should be cheaper for students within the institutions.. but of course...again, these will be abused.

Anyway, it's just my suggestions...

37.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 09 Jul 2006 Sun 01:21 pm

I think that educational system on the pc will become normal in the world within years.. in Holland they are experimenting with it and my school has gone pretty electronic already as well too. You can choose your own schedule of lessons within certain rules and you do this by loggin in at home, giving your name and your 'code' and then you can electronically pick lessons for the next week.

About books going on the pc.. I for myself find that very annoying. I study way better from a book than from information on the screen. Ofcourse I could print the papers that will be sent to the pc.. but in the end I will have more personal costs than when I 'borrow' books from a schoolsystem.. in which you wouldn't have to buy al the books new..

38.       phoena
94 posts
 09 Jul 2006 Sun 06:43 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I think that educational system on the pc will become normal in the world within years.. in Holland they are experimenting with it and my school has gone pretty electronic already as well too. You can choose your own schedule of lessons within certain rules and you do this by loggin in at home, giving your name and your 'code' and then you can electronically pick lessons for the next week.

About books going on the pc.. I for myself find that very annoying. I study way better from a book than from information on the screen. Ofcourse I could print the papers that will be sent to the pc.. but in the end I will have more personal costs than when I 'borrow' books from a schoolsystem.. in which you wouldn't have to buy al the books new..



Of course, holding any literature in hands is better compared to computers! We can't take computers to bed (except laptops-wonderful in winter for warmth) or going anywhere... Also, as I experienced before when certain books in need, they tend to 'borrow' by others before me That could take weeks or even months before I could have it in my hands! The scenario turned even worst during examination months! Some faculties, has limited literatures on 'loan' to support hundreds of students. So, it's either photocopy the whole book, buy used books (which sometimes come with missing pages), buy new or enter the latest technology-paperless...

Then, depends also how the personal cost incurs - example:-maybe some reduction of photocopy price schedule by the photocopy shops? The more you photocopy, the cheaper the rates. This at least save cost to buying a new book.

Well, is kind of headache when comes trying to cut corners in education... anyway, just another opinion...

39.       Chantal
587 posts
 27 Jul 2006 Thu 03:17 pm

Hmm.. maybe I should reconsider going to Uni in Holland, and join Deli_Kizin in Turkey It sounds all really cheap to me!

Is there any way you can order " http://www.bupress.com/ToolBoxVA/Tools/Mds/Scripts/Books/Book.asp?ID=1520 " These books when you're not studying at the uni? It's only 12 YTL.. that's sooooo cheap!

40.       phoena
94 posts
 27 Jul 2006 Thu 04:24 pm

OK..one Question..

Is the degree recognise in EU or other countries?

Some of my friends - 5 of them actually had the problem of their degrees not recognised by their own country and certain firms they wanted to work in... I asked them why they didn't checked out first??? They said they did and that the courses are the same as provided in their local Us and other Unis abroad...
I think they had to resit some exams back home in order to find jobs locally. I asked them why not they work in the country where they took their degree... Anyway, I don't know what went wrong...

Any advise? I'd been planning to continue my study...

41.       Chantal
587 posts
 27 Jul 2006 Thu 05:49 pm

For me it depends on the course you take whether your points will be accepted in your home-country. If I want to study in Turkey for let's say 1 year, I have to get permission from my school, and if I get that, then the points I get in Turkey will be converted into the points I need.

But if I want to study some subject in Turkey which has nothing to do with what I do in Holland, then they won't give me permission... And then I have to follow all the courses in Holland as well..

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