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17 Jul 2006 Mon 04:48 pm |
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çok Tşk Erdinc for your wide explaination 
Covered many questions i had in mind
But i have here one question
Every eylem can be in the long infinitive form (MAK-,MEK),but at same time not every eylem can be in The short infinitive (-ma,-me) ??
as here with uyumak,it cann't be uyuma,it has another form which is uyku,
And btw, is uyku another ad ,or it has the same eylem but with kind of different suffix ??
And how would we know when to use each of those forms,or suffix to excepress the ad
Özur ederim, i may sound confused, but that is the true i am,
İ thought we can use the short infinitive form(ma-me) with every eylem just like the long one (mek-mak)
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17 Jul 2006 Mon 05:56 pm |
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Quote: Every eylem can be in the long infinitive form (MAK-,MEK),but at same time not every eylem can be in The short infinitive (-ma,-me) ?? |
This is not true. This statement refers to only a minor function of the short infinitive. The short infinitive can build permanent nouns.
Example:
konuşma : speech
Let's look into this example:
1. "Çok konuşma lütfen."
"Please don't speak too much"
2. "Türkçe konuşmayı biliyor musunuz?"
"Do you know to speak Turkish?"
3. "Çok güzel bir konuşma oldu."
"This was a very nice speech."
Number 1 has the negative suffix and has nothing to do with our issue. It is fun that it has the same appearance though.
Number 2 has the short infinitive suffix -ma, the buffer -y and the object suffix -i (accusative suffix=object suffix). "Türkçe konuşmayı" is an object clause.
Number 3 has again the same short infinitive as number 2. This time the suffix builds a permanent noun.
Uyumak and uyku have nothing to do with each other. It is best to think it that way.
Uyumak > full infinitive, this is the noun form of a verb
uyuma > short infinitive, this is again the noun form of a verb
Examples:
"Uyumak istiyorum."
I want to sleep.
In this sentence "uyumak" is a noun and is the object of the sentence.
"Öğlene kadar uyumayı sevmiyorum".
"I don't like sleeping till the noon."
As you see in that second sentence, the verb is sevmek (to love) and "sevmek" is a transitive verb. This means it takes objects and the objects must take an object suffix (accusative case suffix -i). Whenever we use the -i case, -e case or -in case (accusative, dative and genitive, respectively) we switch to short infinitive.
Quote: İ thought we can use the short infinitive form(ma-me) with every eylem just like the long one (mek-mak) |
This is correct. In most cases it will also require a buffer y and a case suffix. So you would have to add "-ma+y+a", "-ma+y+ı" or "-ma+nın". Of course there are not many cases where the short infinitive builds permanent nouns. But this is as I said a minor feature of it.
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