Another question about negatives - I'm not in a negative mood today.....honest

Can the -en suffix be used with a negative suffix to form a negative instruction?

For example:

uyuyan köpek
sleeping dog

uyumayan!
no sleeping!

Yes but they both are verbal adjectives and need to be followed by a noun or need to modify a noun even it is not mentioned but understood. Thus the second one is missing a noun.

"uyumayan köpen" would ne correct.

But would it be correct to say to Floss
Floss uyumayan!

Meaning - Floss, no sleeping!
i.e - sleeping is not allowed.

The negative imperative is suitable in this case.

Yes, very good bod. You could also use "yok" again in a very simply way.

Hi Bod,
This is a good reply but is not exactly correct.

İyi bir cevap ama tam olarak doğru değil.

So I assume it needs the -an suffix:
Floss uyuyan yok

Is that better?

Think of it as "No smoking" which means "Sigara içme(yin)(iz)"

For example, if your friend tries to light a cigaratte in the subway station, you use: "burada sigara içme" ("no smoking here").

If your teacher tends to light one cigaratte in the subway station, you use: "burada sigara içmeyin" or "burada sigara içmeyiniz" (again, "no smoking here").

"Floss, no sleeping" means "Floss, uyuma" - if he/she/it is a - for instance - close friend of yours. It's informal of course.

"Floss, no sleeping" means "Floss, uyumayın(ız)" - if he/she/it is - for instance - your teacher. It's formal.

I like your teaching style Erdinç
It is too easy to just tell someone........

From your comments so far I think it must require mastar halı
So is it:
Floss uyumak yok ???

Can i suggest an answer ? and give it a try ?
İ'm afraid it would be wrong,
But i guess we use Halı Mastar with Mak,Mek in comon situations,
But when we adress it to certain one or thing we use it with Ma Me

So would it be

Floss uyuman Yok ??

Yes, "uyumak yok" can be used to tell somebody not to sleep. For example, if I don't want Canlı to sleep, I call him/her "No sleeping!" or "Don't sleep!"

"No sleeping", indeed, means "Uyumak yok!" in Turkish. However, it's a very irregular usage, so it's not the way you should learn it. That's spoken Turkish.

If you want to tell someone not to sleep, you should use "Uyuma!"

If you want to tell someone that sleeping is forbidden, you should use "Uyumak yasaktır!" (what sort of law is that! )

her,not him ty

So i cann't say uyuman yok ?

İ mean to use uyuma 'eylem + mA = ad '

ve 'n' is İyelik Ekleri of sen

So it be

uyuman yok ...doğru mu ?

Btw, is it right = doğru mu ??

Bir şey değil

Now i understand ,Tşk ederim for your help

Tebrik ederim bod.

Canlı,
Your idea is good. In another sentence it would be possible to use the form "-ma -n" (short infinitive + possessive suffix).

The short infinitive (-ma,-me) is used with any type of suffixes that a noun would take.

Let's start with a quote from TDK on "mastar":

çok Tşk Erdinc for your wide explaination
Covered many questions i had in mind

But i have here one question

Every eylem can be in the long infinitive form (MAK-,MEK),but at same time not every eylem can be in The short infinitive (-ma,-me) ??

as here with uyumak,it cann't be uyuma,it has another form which is uyku,
And btw, is uyku another ad ,or it has the same eylem but with kind of different suffix ??

And how would we know when to use each of those forms,or suffix to excepress the ad

Özur ederim, i may sound confused, but that is the true i am,
İ thought we can use the short infinitive form(ma-me) with every eylem just like the long one (mek-mak)

Evettt anladım

Tşk ederim for putting me on the right track again

İ wish i can learn Türkçe faster than this,it is been 6 monthes so far ve hale Türkçe konuşamıyorum