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23 Jun 2007 Sat 11:32 am |
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Quoting si++:
sana gelme-m iyi olacak.
In theory -mek is possible but never used.
sana gelmeğ-e karar verdim.
sana gelmeğ-i düşÃ¼nüyorum
sana gelmeğ-im iyi olacak.
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In theory one could say that they are also not possible because:
The mak/mek eki of the isim fiiller, is used to descrive/say the general name of moves. Words that take this suffix, cannot take iyelik ekleri, çokluk eki, belirtme eki, yönelme eki and tamlayan eki.
Taking this as an official grammar rule, it is also no longer possible in theory 
Benim gel-meğ-im --> gel-me-m, gel-iş-i-m
Gelmekler, gitmekler --> gel-me-ler, git-me-ler, gelişler, gidişler
Kitap okumağı severim -->okumayı
Çocuk kitap okumağa başladı --> Okumaya
As you can see, when one of the above mentioned suffixes is used, mak/mak eki is not longer used, but replaced by the suffix ma/me or ış-iş-uş-üş. (this last one is used when it is about more personal movements/behaviors).
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24 Jun 2007 Sun 07:49 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
In theory one could say that they are also not possible because:
The mak/mek eki of the isim fiiller, is used to descrive/say the general name of moves. Words that take this suffix, cannot take iyelik ekleri, çokluk eki, belirtme eki, yönelme eki and tamlayan eki.
Taking this as an official grammar rule, it is also no longer possible in theory
Benim gel-meğ-im --> gel-me-m, gel-iş-i-m
Gelmekler, gitmekler --> gel-me-ler, git-me-ler, gelişler, gidişler
Kitap okumağı severim -->okumayı
Çocuk kitap okumağa başladı --> Okumaya
As you can see, when one of the above mentioned suffixes is used, mak/mak eki is not longer used, but replaced by the suffix ma/me or ış-iş-uş-üş. (this last one is used when it is about more personal movements/behaviors). |
I don't remember reading anything like "this suffix can not be used with these words". So how can it be "not possible" to add them to a "noun" (in theory at least, "gelmek" is a noun, right?).
Those are phonetic changes over time for Anatolian Turkish. So suffixes like -VC or -V ( -e, -i, -(i)m ) make it easy that transtion. (V=vowel C=consonant). For the suffixes like -CV or -CVC (-de, -den), -mek is still standing.
In some Turkic languages -mek (or -maq) is well alive for the suffixes for which -mek has dropped its usage in İstanbul Turkish.
-e (dative) suffix:
Turkish in Hamadan (Iran) - İstanbul Turkish
därdıma därman bilmaqa o xäbärdarı istäräm - derdime derman bilmeye o haberdarı isterim.
genitive suffix:
Kumuk Turkish - İstanbul Turkish
ALLAHU TAALAĞA İNANMAQNI BAYANI - ALLAHU TEALÂYA İNANMANIN BEYANI
-i (accusative) suffix:
From (Abusupiyan Akayev, Payxamarnı yolu bulan, Mahaçqala, 1992,154-160 )
Malaiklege inanmaqnı sana - Meleklere inanmayı say
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