dear friends ,i would like to talk about some thing which i notice when i talk to europian girl which is completely deffer from here in egypt as a eastern contry,,
when i talk to eropian girl i notice that most of them reach the age of 26 and tell 29 and they r not married and live there normal life, and this is completely defrent here ,
on the other side, here in egypt after the girl finsh her universty about the age of 24 and stelll no one came to ask her for marrage she became so so worry and her family also came nervous
and they pray for her that God to make her marry
and they try to ask the relatives and freinds if they know a guy who want to marry and tell them about there girl.....
so see how the cultures r completley diffrent!!!!!!!!

Well Yusuf, that was exactly right in older generations,and maybe yes still in some Categories of the society

But not common between educated girls,which are lots here in Egypt as you must know

They graduate from the Unis,and work,and sometimes earn more money than their fellows men colleagues do earn too

Those became old ideas to girls here,not working anymore,to find secure with a man you would marry

Because girls now more mature and know the only secure they would have,is the secure they provide themselves first,then what comes next will be sure welcome,but they are not depending on it.

İ am surprised that men still have those ideas !

You just need to look arround you more,and notice the changes there in girls minds

But i guess those ideas is more appealing to you men,,lol

Ok then, enjoy them

i absolutly agree with you there these days girls are more for careers then marriage , mind i do respect those that follow in old traditions but now a days i havent heard of many of my friends worrying i find the men worry more about marriage then the girls lol .

We just know that we handle by ourselves.In a past woman was depended form her husband especially in financial area.But know?We are waiting for Mr.Right not Mr.Rich

Also, keep in mind divorce rate has been climbing in every industrialized country in the world. Two significant factors affecting the rising in divorce are (1) men and women are less in need of each other for economic survival.
(2) gains made in birth control allow men and women to seperate sexual activity from having children. Also, keep in mind more young people are cohabiting rather than getting married.

economical and social changings effecting deeply all cultures,and i think this changings brings some common life stilies by he help of easy communication tools and media tools to all countries.Youth become more selfish day by day,and new common culture is to consumption and to live just for self passions.so which one of us can wait good things by this changes,to be all pessimist sure not good,but if it goes this way i think we all lost all moral values soon.Love is always nicer then selfish lust,logical freedom better then unlimited caos.i think youth need more supports of old generations about life experiences and meaning of life for catch to betters....

hedonism is the new common culture of all world i think,and thats a deep ocean for suffocated in when moral values get less...

who mentioned hedomism? dont mock till you try it!

He he!!

merhaba, yusuf!
nice topic
marriage is something having deep roots in the culture and civilization and all the difference comes from the way the accent is put whether on the individual (west value) or on the community (islam). The western society values more the individual and the independence and that is why the accent is on "I" and on "I can do this by myself", "I can be on my own". In Islam, community plays an important role and the individual is seen mainly as part of the community, of its traditions and values. Marriage is one of these and the indivisdual must follow it. That is why "being single" is sth strange.
More, the west meakes no difference between HE and SHE (the equality of rights), therefore it comes natural for a woman be be on her own, whereas in Islam, the accent is obviously put on man, and without HIM she cannot be imagined as being able to cope with all the challanges of life...

well i never would have thought of it like that so i have learnt something new about islam . so thanx , you done a good job of explaining that i can actually understand it .lol.

merhaba!
sorry if I could not be clearer in what I wanted to say....
I refered to "Islam" in a broader sense: not as religion, but as "culture and civilization" (do not be so critical with me; after all Samuel P. Hungtington wrote a book on the clash of civilizations- West and Islam

What a great subject! I find myself agreeing with ALL of the above (in part)!

I think it is a good thing that women are no longer dependent on men for security and can live their lives the way they chose. However, I think things are becoming a little bit extreme and will reverse the freedom that all enjoy. The "ME" generation that is growing up around us don't appear to be any happier. The constant quest for material satisfaction and the selfishness of these self-titled "Princesses" is an endless quest and their demand for money does not equal their willingness to work hard for it!! The ambition of many seems to be to "become famous" or "marry someone rich"! They are taking for granted the freedom that many women worked so hard for and regressing back to dependency

I also agree with you Canli, we shouldn't confuse Islam with tradition.

so do i..agree with canli that is

I have read all of your opinions,and I understand and agree with you all.
As a woman, I can work myself and it is not a "MUST" that we women find a man to survive.
If we can find the fun of life, we enjoy our hobbies, we get along well with our families and freinds...
we will live a wonderful life!

hehe, however, I must say: I am waiting for my Mr.right----not Mr. Rich

u too ivy sweet dreamz

Is their something wrong with not marring? I think a man or woman should have the choice to make up their owns minds to make a strong commitment like marriage. Maybe after university people would like to settle a good job before a family. Life does not only lead up to marriage. There are advantages and disadvantages along the way. Some people may choose not to marry as the may not be ready for it. This is just an opinion not a shout to anyone!