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Vowel harmony when there are no vowels!
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1.       bod
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 18 Sep 2006 Mon 09:44 pm

If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!

For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?

2.       kai
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 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:09 pm

Turkish alphabet consists of 29 letters - 8 vowels and 21 consonant
Each letter has exactly one associated sound which never changes.
Three letters of the English alphabet are missing in the Turkish alphabet.
Q-q
W-w
X-x
There are six additional characters not found in the English alphabet.
Ç-ç
Ğ-ğ
I-ı
İ-i
Ö-ö
Ş-ş
Ü-ü

The letters of Turkish alphabet and the sounds associated with these are in the following table...
Letter Pronunciation
A, a like the a in car
B, b like the b in bet
C, c like the g in gender
Ç, ç like the ch in chance
D, d like the d in debt
E, e like the e in less
F, f like the f in felony
G, g like the g in game
Ğ, ğ this is a very weak sound, not pronouncing at all will be ok
H, h like the h in hello
I, ı like the e in halted
İ, i like the ee in keen
J, j like the ge in garage
K, k like the k in kelly
L, l like the l in lamb
M, m like the m in man
N, n like the n in neighbor
O, o like the a in ball
Ö, ö like the u in urge
P, p like the p in pen
R, r like the r in rent
S, s like the s in send
Ş, ş like the sh in shed
T, t like the t in tennis
U, u like the oo in good
Ü, ü like the u in nude
V, v like the v in vent
Y, y like the y in yes
Z, z like the z in zen

I hope this helps you

3.       Elisa
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 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:19 pm

Quoting bod:

If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!

For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?



You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.

4.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:20 pm

Quoting bod:

If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!

For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?



İ haven't met a Türk söz till now with no vowel,but again my knowledge is not that much

Never the less,MSN word consider a foreigner word,and every foreigner word we treat it mostly as a light voice

Like Saat.... we say Saatler, not saatlar,
Harf...harfler, and not harflar

So i guess we can limit MSN in 2 voices not 4
it maybe either İ or Ü, but i don't know which too :-S

5.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:23 pm

Quoting Elisa:

Quoting bod:

If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!

For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?



You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.



What do you mean last vowel Elisa ?
Where is that vowel ?

Or you mean pronouncing of the N is light starting with e ? :-S

6.       Elisa
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 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:26 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Elisa:

Quoting bod:

If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!

For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?



You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.



What do you mean last vowel Elisa ?
Where is that vowel ?

Or you mean pronouncing of the N is light starting with e ? :-S



Yes, I mean when pronouncing. You say "eM eS eN", so the last sound is "e", hence the harmony with -im.

7.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:30 pm

Thx Elisa,got you


İ love Türkçe,its logical and easy,the hard part is only to understand the logic ,, lol

8.       Elisa
0 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:37 pm

Quoting CANLI:

İ love Türkçe,its logical and easy,the hard part is only to understand the logic ,, lol



You just have to format and reset your brain to the Turkish language logic

But I get your point though.. :-S

9.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:55 pm

I think, it depends on how you pronounce the word which is not Turkish. As you wrote; "MSN" is not Turkish, but how will you pronounce it? It is a special name like "Jacob", not like "pencil". So, if Jacob is German, you should pronounce it "yakob"; if Amerikan, "jay-coup" or depends on how Jacob prefers. But you never pronounce "pencil" as what you prefer, like "pen-jill" in Turkish

MSN pronounced "em es en" on all over the world, so we assume that we pronounce it same in Turkey too: "emesen". If we agree with the pronounciation, then we can go on with suffixes.

As pronounciation in Turkish:
emesen+(i)m=emesenim
as you see we added "-im", so we should write:
MSN'im

By the way, some people in Turkey pronounce it "mesene" (I don't judge them, maybe wrong but let me show you how they add this suffix)

As pronounciation in Turkish:
mesene+(i)m=mesenem
as you see, we added just "-m", so we write:
MSN'm

If you pronounce MSN another type, you may add this suffix in another case, like "-ım","-um","-üm"(but i dont think this)lollollol

10.       qdemir
814 posts
 18 Sep 2006 Mon 11:52 pm

Even though some Turkish people have a tendency to pronounce MSN as em-es-en that's wrong. The correct pronunciation should be as me-se-ne. Not any English person pronounces TRT (Turkish Radio Television) as te-re-te, he does as ti-ar-ti as it is compatible with English fonetics.

It is therefore the wovel in any suffix attached to msn should harmonize with the wovel "e".

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