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Vowel harmony when there are no vowels!
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 09:44 pm |
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If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!
For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct?
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:09 pm |
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Turkish alphabet consists of 29 letters - 8 vowels and 21 consonant
Each letter has exactly one associated sound which never changes.
Three letters of the English alphabet are missing in the Turkish alphabet.
Q-q
W-w
X-x
There are six additional characters not found in the English alphabet.
Ç-ç
Ğ-ğ
I-ı
İ-i
Ö-ö
Ş-ş
Ü-ü
The letters of Turkish alphabet and the sounds associated with these are in the following table...
Letter Pronunciation
A, a like the a in car
B, b like the b in bet
C, c like the g in gender
Ç, ç like the ch in chance
D, d like the d in debt
E, e like the e in less
F, f like the f in felony
G, g like the g in game
Ğ, ğ this is a very weak sound, not pronouncing at all will be ok
H, h like the h in hello
I, ı like the e in halted
İ, i like the ee in keen
J, j like the ge in garage
K, k like the k in kelly
L, l like the l in lamb
M, m like the m in man
N, n like the n in neighbor
O, o like the a in ball
Ö, ö like the u in urge
P, p like the p in pen
R, r like the r in rent
S, s like the s in send
Ş, ş like the sh in shed
T, t like the t in tennis
U, u like the oo in good
Ü, ü like the u in nude
V, v like the v in vent
Y, y like the y in yes
Z, z like the z in zen
I hope this helps you
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:19 pm |
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Quoting bod: If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!
For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct? |
You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:20 pm |
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Quoting bod: If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!
For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct? |
İ haven't met a Türk söz till now with no vowel,but again my knowledge is not that much
Never the less,MSN word consider a foreigner word,and every foreigner word we treat it mostly as a light voice
Like Saat.... we say Saatler, not saatlar,
Harf...harfler, and not harflar
So i guess we can limit MSN in 2 voices not 4
it maybe either İ or Ü, but i don't know which too :-S
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:23 pm |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting bod: If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!
For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct? |
You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.
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What do you mean last vowel Elisa ?
Where is that vowel ?
Or you mean pronouncing of the N is light starting with e ? :-S
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:26 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting Elisa: Quoting bod: If a suffix is added to a 'word' with no vowels, what form does the suffix take as there are no vowels to determine the form!
For example:
MSN'ım - MSN'im - MSN'um - MSN'üm
which is correct? |
You have to listen to the sound of the last vowel you hear. In MSN it's "e", so you put MSN'im.
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What do you mean last vowel Elisa ?
Where is that vowel ?
Or you mean pronouncing of the N is light starting with e ? :-S |
Yes, I mean when pronouncing. You say "eM eS eN", so the last sound is "e", hence the harmony with -im.
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:30 pm |
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Thx Elisa,got you
İ love Türkçe,its logical and easy,the hard part is only to understand the logic ,, lol
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:37 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: İ love Türkçe,its logical and easy,the hard part is only to understand the logic ,, lol |
You just have to format and reset your brain to the Turkish language logic
But I get your point though.. :-S
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 10:55 pm |
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I think, it depends on how you pronounce the word which is not Turkish. As you wrote; "MSN" is not Turkish, but how will you pronounce it? It is a special name like "Jacob", not like "pencil". So, if Jacob is German, you should pronounce it "yakob"; if Amerikan, "jay-coup" or depends on how Jacob prefers. But you never pronounce "pencil" as what you prefer, like "pen-jill" in Turkish
MSN pronounced "em es en" on all over the world, so we assume that we pronounce it same in Turkey too: "emesen". If we agree with the pronounciation, then we can go on with suffixes.
As pronounciation in Turkish:
emesen+(i)m=emesenim
as you see we added "-im", so we should write:
MSN'im
By the way, some people in Turkey pronounce it "mesene" (I don't judge them, maybe wrong but let me show you how they add this suffix)
As pronounciation in Turkish:
mesene+(i)m=mesenem
as you see, we added just "-m", so we write:
MSN'm
If you pronounce MSN another type, you may add this suffix in another case, like "-ım","-um","-üm"(but i dont think this) 
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18 Sep 2006 Mon 11:52 pm |
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Even though some Turkish people have a tendency to pronounce MSN as em-es-en that's wrong. The correct pronunciation should be as me-se-ne. Not any English person pronounces TRT (Turkish Radio Television) as te-re-te, he does as ti-ar-ti as it is compatible with English fonetics.
It is therefore the wovel in any suffix attached to msn should harmonize with the wovel "e".
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