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Buddhist marry Muslim
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:05 am |
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I agree with you..Me too..Same thing..Nothing much to tell.
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:12 am |
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Yes, DUDA is right.Because Duda is thinking universal and intellectual..I agree with DUDA.Thank you for your kind and positive opinion for this topic.
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:14 am |
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culday,
you big girl or old girl, as you wish, thank you again for widening horizontally my views on this world and its clashes! im impressed! 
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:33 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting culday: The religions and cultures should not be compared...because culture rules people and society.
If so, a clash of culture begins...problems cannot be solved.This is my advice.Experience is talking... |
why should not be compared?
culture rules over society? wow, you've just opened my eyes! thats why there are so many idiots who prefer to be ruled by customs and traditions instead of using brains!!! they do not have their own ideas for their lives therefore they go and share their ancestrial damn fate.
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This comment is for CULDAY: I agree with you deeply... and I think you will agree with me again: culture means all the legacy of one nation or country, but some people are just not capable to separate culture from civilisation... the underground trains and computers mean civilisation, yes, but our poetry, tradition, customs, they make our culture. (And some people maybe even think hamburgers being a part of civilisation... or culture.) I am quoting a couple of paragraphs from the synopsis written on my dear philosopher Oswald Spengler and his famous book "The Decline of the West":
"Cultures are "living" things -- organic in nature -- and must pass through the stages of birth-development-fulfillment-decay-death. Hence a "morphology" of history. All previous cultures have passed through these distinct stages, and Western culture can be no exception. In fact, its present stage in the organic development-process can be pinpointed.
The high-water mark of a High Culture is its phase of fulfillment -- called the "culture" phase. The beginning of decline and decay in a Culture is the transition point between its "culture" phase and the "civilization" phase that inevitably follows.
The "civilization" phase witnesses drastic social upheavals, mass movements of peoples, continual wars and constant crises. All this takes place along with the growth of the great "megalopolis" -- huge urban and suburban centers that sap the surrounding countrysides of their vitality, intellect, strength, and soul. The inhabitants of these urban conglomerations -- now the bulk of the populace -- are a rootless, soulless, godless, and materialistic mass, who love nothing more than their panem et circenses. From these come the subhuman "fellaheen" -- fitting participants in the dying-out of a culture.
With the civilization phase comes the rule of Money and its twin tools, Democracy and the Press. Money rules over the chaos, and only Money profits by it. But the true bearers of the culture -- the men whose souls are still one with the culture-soul -- are disgusted and repelled by the Money-power and its fellaheen, and act to break it, as they are compelled to do so -- and as the mass culture-soul compels finally the end of the dictatorship of money."
Wise man was he... And interesting, some people call Spengler's bearers of the culture "idiots"...
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:41 am |
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Who said that we are negating cultural values or saying "my culture is better then yours"??? This is a part you added yourself. I'm talking about human rights violations!
If you're so culturally neutral, then please, stop criticizing the Americans for doing what's culturally valuable to them or the European Union, and obviously things like Darfur or situation of women around the world is absolutely not our business or anything we should lose sleep over. Let's just keep patting each other on the back. You're looking a bit one-sidedly and I think naively.
I want to add that I love the diversity of different cultures and ideas and I'd hate all countries to become the same capitalistic place. However, there are some things that I would always criticize and judge - especially if I see a culturally sanctioned cruelty and inequality.
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:23 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Who said that we are negating cultural values or saying "my culture is better then yours"??? This is a part you added yourself. I'm talking about human rights violations! |
No one said explicitly. But the very statement that we are allowed to judge leaves space for someone - and anyone - to say "this culture is better". So the basic principle is wrong. I may watch, analyse, criticize, but not JUDGE.
Quoting catwoman: If you're so culturally neutral, then please, stop criticizing the Americans for doing what's culturally valuable to them or the European Union, and obviously things like Darfur or situation of women around the world is absolutely not our business or anything we should lose sleep over. Let's just keep patting each other on the back. You're looking a bit one-sidedly and I think naively. |
I never mentioned Americans, you understood something wrog. It's the matter of principle again. And my attitude doesn't mean indolence and sleeping over, but not interferring unasked. It's much better to give an example; unfortunately, I don't think Western culture is giving a good example of democracy and human rights to anyone, and especially concerning tolerance. Word "tolerance" is the key word, and I just must be culturally neutral because I live in a multinational and multicultural country and I know exactly what word tolerance means. Believe me it's not naivety. Interferring other cultures' traditions (including rights) usually brings hatred and wars.
Quoting catwoman: I want to add that I love the diversity of different cultures and ideas and I'd hate all countries to become the same capitalistic place. However, there are some things that I would always criticize and judge - especially if I see a culturally sanctioned cruelty and inequality. |
Here you are right. But that's the point of what I said - we don't have right to force anybody to change their way of living, otherwise we are worse than them. (Just remember Russian Revolution or some cases of religious "missions".) We wouldn't like anyone to change ours, in most cases. And again I say, the term "human rights" is very a vague phrase. I always remember the case from many years ago - it happened somewhere in Scandinavia. A social service took a child from his mother because she was "too fat", and giving him "bad example". A human gesture... from their point of view. So we must be extremely careful when deciding what is "cruelty" and what is modus vivendi.
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10 May 2007 Thu 02:29 am |
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Yes, the diversity is a wealth, a world wealth…The diversity is life.The diversity is world.The diversity is nature…The diversity is humanity…The wide variety of everything = Ethnic diversity...Cultural diversity…Religious diversity…God loves the diversity.
Who owns “Cultureâ€?As DUDA said “You may watch, analyse, criticize, but not judge culturesâ€. Because cultures are just like an organism. Culture rights violations and human rights violations are same thing…As DUDA said “Each nation has right to have its own culture and to be respectedâ€.â€We don't have right to force anybody to change their way of livingâ€. We should respect other people’s cultures and values.This is the basic principle..I believe CATWOMAN and FEMME _ FATAL agree….
I respect CATWOMAN, DUDA and FEMME _ FATAL..
As a result=
Dont’t worry friend…
Buddhist can marry with Muslim…
Muslim can marry with Christian…
Jewish can marry with Muslim.
Christian can marry with Jewish.
And a person from World can marry with a person from another world in the universe or cosmos.
If you really love… If you really wanna marry with…
Because all cultures belong to God.
(PS: I am sorry, my English is not good).
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:44 am |
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What I mean by human rights violations are blatant violations and not the gray issues. In case of more gray cases, nothing should be influenced by violence and I'm not saying that you were criticizing the US, but many other people (who preach tolerance towards their culture) do. Yeah, the west is not setting the example I wish it did, but undoubtedly there's more equality and tolerance here then anywhere else.
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:33 pm |
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:41 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting catwoman: ... but many other people (who preach tolerance towards their culture) do. Yeah, the west is not setting the example I wish it did, but undoubtedly there's more equality and tolerance here then anywhere else. |
Catwoman, that's only your account of the truth and when you hear the accounts of others you tend to push yours as the norm. That's indeed very prejudiced. When I blame a country I base my arguments on historical records. For example, I can claim on the solid ground that antisemitism,racism, nazism, slavery, (nuclear) mass destructions, blody secterian wars, crusades have their roots in the West.
I am sorry I cannot show any tolerance to anyone of those crimes and I can not be reproached just because I refered to them. |
The thing is that I agree with you vineyards, I think that these things SHOULD be criticized, doesn't matter what culture they are from. And this is basically what I mean when I'm being critical of other cultures. For example discrimination of Kurds or women in Turkey is one of those things. And there are things I agree with when they criticize the western culture. One thing I abhor though is imposing anything through violence (as duda gave an example of a child taken away from a fat mother). Any changes for the better can only be implemented by means based on understanding, cultural compatibility, and smart ideas. And obviously not everything I don't like or agree with needs to be criticized or changed at all.
I'm sure though that you don't think duda that it shouldn't be criticized when a culture sanctions it when women are abused, denied equal rights, sold as commodities... etc.
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10 May 2007 Thu 10:24 pm |
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culday that's a nice thought but practicing muslims simply can't marry someone not off the books.
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