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Buddhist marry Muslim
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:27 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting panta rei: Quoting CANLI:
As i recall,its forbidden to drink alcohol |
I think this is wrong; because in Christianity (red) wine, for example, is believed and considered to symbolize "the blood of Jesus", that's why even in Churchs Christians are served wine. |
Ohhh then how come our Church saying drink alcohol is forbidden ?!
Aren't all Churches saying same rules in the Bible ? |
Yeah drinking alcohol is forbidden in Christianity. Sex before marriage is forbidden too. And divorce is forbidden. But lots of people do these things even if they go to church, and are religious. And if you are a Jehovah's Witness it's even more strict... you can not date, have bf/gf relationships, go to clubs, etc. but I know people that do. And adultery is a major sin in Christianity but then why is one of my friends telling me the pastor is having an affair.
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05 May 2007 Sat 10:58 am |
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Quoting kat007:
Yeah drinking alcohol is forbidden in Christianity. |
No, that's putting it too strongly. It's not simple though to give an unambiguous answer.
This is from gotquestions.org:
'Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12)'
Full article
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05 May 2007 Sat 11:17 am |
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Today, the views on alcohol in Christendom can be divided into moderationism, abstentionism, and prohibitionism. Abstentionists and prohibitionists are sometimes lumped together as "teetotalers" (compare list of teetotalers) and share some similar arguments for their positions, but the distinction between them is that the latter abstain from alcohol as a matter of law (that is, they believe God requires abstinence in all ordinary circumstances), while the former abstain as a matter of prudence (that is, they believe total abstinence is the wisest and most loving way to live in the present circumstances).
The moderationist position is accepted almost universally outside of Protestant Christianity and within Protestantism, it is accepted by most Lutherans, Anglicans, and Reformed churches. Moderationism is also accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses. Moderationism argues that, according to the biblical and traditional witness, (1) alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used for making the heart merry, and (2) while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse.
The abstentionist position is held by many Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, and other evangelical and Protestant groups including the Salvation Army. Abstentionists believe that although alcohol consumption is not inherently sinful or necessarily avoided in all circumstances, it is generally not the wisest or most prudent choice. While most abstentionists don't require abstinence from alcohol for membership in their churches, they do often require it for leadership positions.
Prohibitionist denominations such as the Seventh-day Adventists hold that the Bible forbids partaking of alcohol altogether, with some arguing that even the alleged medicinal use of wine in 1 Timothy 5:23 is a reference to unfermented grape juice. The Word of Wisdom, which is a section in Doctrine and Covenants, part of the Mormon canon, also forbids the use of alcohol.
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Geez, isn't that confusing. If someone wanted to be a Christian they'd have to pick which demonination they want to belong/follow and which rules they want to listen to.
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05 May 2007 Sat 11:56 am |
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Not all religious people are on the same level as eachother. some people do things other people dont do, some people put what they believe in to practice while some don't so much. Thats up to each individual, and how strong their faith is. But in this situation, the question should be if you really believe in Bhuddism, or if it is more like the religion you were raised in. If you want to find out more about islam for yourself thats fine. But if you really believe in Bhuddism, you shouldn't just put it aside for someone else. When you have children, if your husband wants to raise them as muslim, but you believe in Bhuddism, really believe in it, and see your own children disbelieveing it while your husband teaches them things you don't believe in. That could break your heart. Marriage isn't just about a lovey dovey feeling. You have to be compatible. Want the same things in life, want the same things for your children etc. How are so many people in relationships , talking about marriage, without really knowing eachother. Surely things like how you would raise/discipline your children, religion, how you feel about important descions should be discussed before you commit to spend your life with someone. Religion is a very personal thing. I think the question shouldn't be if you are allowed to marry someone of a different religion, but if you really want to. How important are your religions to both of you? will you be compatible together? Again, marriage takes a lot more than that 'lovey' feeling.
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05 May 2007 Sat 04:44 pm |
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Quoting kat007: Quoting cat_leo:
Oh yeah, where are these men such as you say there are in islamic countries? I have yet to meet one. After being married to 2 very different, but 'hypocritical' turks I have to say that they did exactly all the things mention here, watching porn, drinking alcohol, having sex without marriage (and let me add one more, beating his wife as I was by one of them) that as you say are 'supposably' forbidden to all men. |
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you found the wrong type of men to marry. And one of my criterias is I would never ever marry someone who's actions contradicts his own beliefs/values. If he won't do what he says or believes then how can I trust him or believe in him. After talking to 35-40 Turkish/Kurdish men I believe that only 2 out of those are actually living a righteous type of lifestyle according to their beliefs and I really respect that. So again, I don't think it's the religion (I think it's human weakness and failings). And men that actually do what they say are in the minority. |
Actually kat, their true characters did not show until much later into the marriage. In the begining they were as most turks are, all sweet and charming even after knowing them for more then 2 and 3 years before marrying them. Again these were 2 very different men with different background and education, so none of these even matter.
There are far too many women marrying these type of men and I have met way too many women of different nationalities that married turks that were abusive to them and some of them don't show this until years later, so don't tell me that I don't know what I'am talking about when there are more of them then you all realize!
As for azade, you may think that you have married prince charming there, but honey I watch myself because I'am more important now any man will ever be.
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05 May 2007 Sat 08:52 pm |
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Quoting mltm: "IN Europe right now the statistics of male violence against female partners are terrible. For European women aged 16-44 violence in the home is the primary cause of injury and death, more lethal than road accidents and cancer. Between 25% and 50% of women are victims of this violence. In Portugal 52.8% of women say that they have been violently treated by their husbands or partners. In Germany almost 300 women a year - or three women every four days - are killed by men with whom they used to live. In Britain one woman dies in similar circumstances every three days.
In Spain it is one every four days. In France six women die this way every month: 33% of them are knifed, 33% shot, 20% strangled and 10% beaten (1). In the 15 member states of the European Union (before enlargement to 25), more than 600 women die every year because of sexist brutality in the family (2).
The profile of the aggressor is not what you might imagine. There is a public perception that these types of killers tend to be from poor backgrounds and with little education. That is not the case. The death of the actress Marie Trintignant, who was killed on 6 August 2003 by her partner, a famous artist, is an example.
A report from the Council of Europe (3) says that "it is even proved that the incidence of domestic violence seems to increase with income and level of education". It stresses that in the Netherlands "almost half of all those who commit violence against women hold university degrees". In France attackers are usually men whose professional status gives them a degree of power. A sizeable percentage of the attackers are management personnel (67%), health professionals (25%) and officers in the police or army (4).
Another misconception is that violence of this kind is more common in the macho cultures of southern Europe than in northern countries. Here too the image needs adjustment. Romania is the European country with the worst record: every year almost 13 in every million women there are killed by their male partners.
However, next on the dismal honours list come countries where women’s rights are highly respected. In Finland more than eight in every million women are killed in the home every year: the list runs on down through Norway (6.58), Luxembourg (5.56), Denmark (5.42) and Sweden (4.59). Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland in fact come at the bottom of the list."
by By Ignacio Ramonet, LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE
So, what is the thing in common in all these countries? Being a muslim country? |
As I said before, sexism and domestic violence is horrendous in almost all countries. However, such statistics don't even exist for the muslim world because people like you have ideological, rosy glasses on and are willing to let millions of women suffer daily without anybody even being concerned with them. I guarantee you that the statistics in the muslim world would be 10 times higher then the ones you quoted.
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:07 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting mltm: 'IN Europe right now the statistics of male violence against female partners are terrible. For European women aged 16-44 violence in the home is the primary cause of injury and death, more lethal than road accidents and cancer. Between 25% and 50% of women are victims of this violence. In Portugal 52.8% of women say that they have been violently treated by their husbands or partners. In Germany almost 300 women a year - or three women every four days - are killed by men with whom they used to live. In Britain one woman dies in similar circumstances every three days.
In Spain it is one every four days. In France six women die this way every month: 33% of them are knifed, 33% shot, 20% strangled and 10% beaten (1). In the 15 member states of the European Union (before enlargement to 25), more than 600 women die every year because of sexist brutality in the family (2).
The profile of the aggressor is not what you might imagine. There is a public perception that these types of killers tend to be from poor backgrounds and with little education. That is not the case. The death of the actress Marie Trintignant, who was killed on 6 August 2003 by her partner, a famous artist, is an example.
A report from the Council of Europe (3) says that 'it is even proved that the incidence of domestic violence seems to increase with income and level of education'. It stresses that in the Netherlands 'almost half of all those who commit violence against women hold university degrees'. In France attackers are usually men whose professional status gives them a degree of power. A sizeable percentage of the attackers are management personnel (67%), health professionals (25%) and officers in the police or army (4).
Another misconception is that violence of this kind is more common in the macho cultures of southern Europe than in northern countries. Here too the image needs adjustment. Romania is the European country with the worst record: every year almost 13 in every million women there are killed by their male partners.
However, next on the dismal honours list come countries where women’s rights are highly respected. In Finland more than eight in every million women are killed in the home every year: the list runs on down through Norway (6.58), Luxembourg (5.56), Denmark (5.42) and Sweden (4.59). Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland in fact come at the bottom of the list.'
by By Ignacio Ramonet, LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE
So, what is the thing in common in all these countries? Being a muslim country? |
As I said before, sexism and domestic violence is horrendous in almost all countries. However, such statistics don't even exist for the muslim world because people like you have ideological, rosy glasses on and are willing to let millions of women suffer daily without anybody even being concerned with them. I guarantee you that the statistics in the muslim world would be 10 times higher then the ones you quoted. |
This is also another reason why I made point here to women about abusive husbands, not always will the women say anything for fear of their lives.
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05 May 2007 Sat 09:16 pm |
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catwoman
stop, it doesnt work. dont you see?
it took hundred years and thousands of victims for european suffragists to achieve what we have today. liberation didnt come from outside, they had to fight themselves for themselves.
as for the eastern women it will take them 10 times more of time and victims. and it should be initiated by only themselves. by the time their mentality changes it will be a year 2500 or 2800, when the democracy will be introduced closer and will require the revolution. every revolution takes its victims. nothing comes free.
and so far, see, theres no problem, muslim women are the happiest unders the sun. they happily give their fate to their fathers or brothers and they decide what its good for them. amazingly wonderful!
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05 May 2007 Sat 10:24 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: catwoman
stop, it doesnt work. dont you see?
it took hundred years and thousands of victims for european suffragists to achieve what we have today. liberation didnt come from outside, they had to fight themselves for themselves.
as for the eastern women it will take them 10 times more of time and victims. and it should be initiated by only themselves. by the time their mentality changes it will be a year 2500 or 2800, when the democracy will be introduced closer and will require the revolution. every revolution takes its victims. nothing comes free.
and so far, see, theres no problem, muslim women are the happiest unders the sun. they happily give their fate to their fathers or brothers and they decide what its good for them. amazingly wonderful! |
Woow! Impressive! It will be great to argue with you as well as to marry you! Imagine our lifetime-lasting marriage with full of arguments. 
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05 May 2007 Sat 10:27 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: catwoman
stop, it doesnt work. dont you see?
it took hundred years and thousands of victims for european suffragists to achieve what we have today. liberation didnt come from outside, they had to fight themselves for themselves.
as for the eastern women it will take them 10 times more of time and victims. and it should be initiated by only themselves. by the time their mentality changes it will be a year 2500 or 2800, when the democracy will be introduced closer and will require the revolution. every revolution takes its victims. nothing comes free.
and so far, see, theres no problem, muslim women are the happiest unders the sun. they happily give their fate to their fathers or brothers and they decide what its good for them. amazingly wonderful! |
So true! You are right to the point.
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05 May 2007 Sat 10:39 pm |
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Quoting cat_leo: This is also another reason why I made point here to women about abusive husbands, not always will the women say anything for fear of their lives. |
Absolutely!!!
There are those who are ok with male dominance and don't experience abuse, those who don't experience abuse, aren't affected by male dominance in daily life and have weird ideologies about it (without understanding what they are really talking about and ruining it for the women who can't speak up for themselves - like mltm), those who wish they could get away but know they can't or are in fear of their lives to do so, and those who are abused and brainwashed so badly that they still think the "deserve" the suffering. It's pathetic.
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