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Turkish State Brothels
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 12:01 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: It is true that there are many prostitutes in Turkey and not only Turkish ones but there are also Russian, Moldovian, Romanian and Ukrainian prostitutes too. Prostitiution is a very profitable business; they earn a lot and spend a lot. If a prostitute is doing business in a better part of the city she often drives a car much more expensive than most and lives in an apartment larger and better than most.
There is also a strong gay community in my country. I do have some gay friends and sometimes I accompany them when they go to gay bars. (They appreciate that so much.) They have very sophisticated ways to communicate with one another as most of them constantly change partners. |
Yes I think most of europe has Eastern european prostitutes now - some willingly, some unwillingly. In fact I think Turkey has done more to reduce the unwilling ones than many other countries. However, there is a LOT of money still being made from eastern european sex slaves. A few men are very rich from it, and the girls are virtual prisoners.We had a wonderful drama/documentary broadcast recently about this subject in the UK. It was truly heartbreaking when you discover the facts.
You have surprised and delighted me with your attitude to gays Vineyards - however I think its a myth that they all want multiple casual partners  .
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 12:15 pm |
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If you ever get a chance to watch, it's a heartbreaking and very well made TV flim about the sex traffic industry...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419365/
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 01:21 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: If you ever get a chance to watch, it's a heartbreaking and very well made TV flim about the sex traffic industry...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419365/ |
horrible stories witnessed by those poor women, we hear often. the worse thing we still cant change the situation.
a lady whos a doctor was invited to her friends birthday, was drugged there, then was sold to a brothel in germany, for about a year she didnt know she was in germany, but finally escaped.
you cant change the situation until you have less and less customers. seems like it has its own potential market, that will never end.
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 01:27 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: you cant change the situation until you have less and less customers. seems like it has its own potential market, that will never end. |
This is very true, and I think people actually still believe the sex traffic trade is a myth. People have said to me - why don't they try to escape? Why don't they just refuse to do it?
I think many people in the UK saw the real side of the industry just from watching this TV drama. It sounds silly, but sometimes people have to see the emotion, the brutality and see the reality of something from a dramatic angle before they can truly understand it.
I defy any man to watch this programme and then defend prostitution afterwards.
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 02:59 pm |
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Folks, you will not get rid of prostitution. It has been around longer than any of us, and will be around much longer than any of us. It's the law of supply and demand.
The poor people who are forced into the situation are the real tragedy. However, as hard as it may be for you to understand, there are some people who actually choose the profession and like it as it pays quite well.
I think the best thing is to figure out a way to control it, and the Turkish legal brothel seems to be a good compromise. Although they might not be legal in England, don't for a second think they don't exist. They are legal in Holland and Germany. The US state of Nevada has legal prostitution as well, and there has been efforts to legalize it in other parts of the USA.
I think the best thing is for the clients to be observant to the conditions of the establishment and on the look out for any signs of coercion. In order to know what to look for they need to be made aware of the signs of coercive sex trade. Then there are some who wouldn't mind or would actually enjoy that aspect.
One of the ways to help along this path would be to remove the stigma from the profession. The saddest thing is when there is a raid and the poor people who have been forced into the trade are branded as a "whore" and denied immigration status. They should be given sanctuary IMHO.
I did a little search and found this....
legal prostitution
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 03:46 pm |
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stealing, murdering and giving false witnesses, pedophilia were also among us long before we were born  and these things wont stop either. so lets legalize them too.
folks, no problema, lets solve it out by tolerating and legalizing.
no one stated that if its illegal it means theresnt prostitution in those countries.
i feel sorry for nevada, for sweden, germany or holland.
making it legal, you are saying YES to women humiliation, you are saying YES to the sodomia.
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 04:11 pm |
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What is your understanding of society femme? Do you consider society as a setting exclusively designed for people living up to certain norms? Society contains all sorts of people and it is not very fair to everyone to begin with.
There are crime and corruption in society because people that make up society are that way. If you cannot remove sources of crime and prevent people from becoming the victims of society, you cannot simply compensate for this by penalizing those who have nothing left to lose.
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 07:26 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: stealing, murdering and giving false witnesses, pedophilia were also among us long before we were born and these things wont stop either. so lets legalize them too.
folks, no problema, lets solve it out by tolerating and legalizing.
no one stated that if its illegal it means theresnt prostitution in those countries.
i feel sorry for nevada, for sweden, germany or holland.
making it legal, you are saying YES to women humiliation, you are saying YES to the sodomia. |
Don't feel sorry for us Dutch people, FF. Feel sorry for the women who are forced into sexual slavery (98% by males!), not for those who chose themselves this profession. And though you might not believe it, there are many proud prostitutes with a legal job, paying taxes, having a personal accountant. There is even a union for sex workers!
Comparing prostitutes who chose themselves this profession with sodomia sounds very biblical (and judging / conservative) in my ears.
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12 Nov 2007 Mon 07:35 pm |
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I think the solution to stopping sex trade trafficking is in training in how to recognize when a person is willing or forced.
Of course, the ladies HAVE to appear to encourage customers, but they are forced to do that. Learning to recognize who is there by choice, and who is not, is the key.
There have been numerous cases of "clients" freeing the captives.
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 01:07 am |
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sad ! 
Sad for the title
Sad for women behalf,
Sad for men behalf too
And sad for posts who try to make it norm and legal!
İts humiliating,TOTALLY humiliating for all parts,both women and men too !
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13 Nov 2007 Tue 06:13 pm |
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heck, yesterday i was writing a reply post to vino, between cooking and washing, but when it was time to submit the message the site was unavailable.  all my 2h writing was wasted
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