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How (not) to do it - Harams/helals
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:00 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: alright.
my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)?
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simple answer we respect our religion  |
You can respect your religion, and still find humourous things about it. I have a feeling that you probably do - but would never dare to share your jokes because you want to present a good public face to other people.
It is counterproductive - we would respect your religion more if you saw humour in yourselves, the way everyone else does. |
Actually,no we dont !
We dont make jokes about our religion even between eachothers because we respect it
When you believe in something and respect it you dont make jokes about it.
Even when bad things happened,we accept it as fate,as test,and we dont blame ALLAH for it
So,as japrak has pointed out the way West and east deal with religion is way much different!
That is why you 'West'cant understand why we 'East' get offended when the discussion in religions regarding İslam reach certain limit .
We have great deal of respect to what we believe!
Same as we too,we dont get it when 'West' make jokes with religion 'Christianity'
We dont get it and we dont accept it,so you dont find Muslim make joke of it tho...but,all to his ways,and its THEİR religion!
When someone talk about God as if talking about his friend,fighting with God,making fun of HİM...we dont understand it...
''HEY,that is GOD,HE is YOUR creator SHOW some respect,you respect your Mom and Dad for giving birth to you,dont you respect the one who MADE you,and MADE your parents too ?!!!''
That is what we think about it in those stiuations..but as i said all to his ways .
So you see,the way we see religion,the way we deal with it is different!
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:13 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
So the moral of the story is that with the industralision the religion is bound to get weaker. That is what is happening in the west. And that is what is not happening in the east.
That is what will happen to the eastern cultures with the time.
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İ dont think its related to industrializing,and i wish it wont happen ,but i agree East will follow 
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:29 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.
You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! You are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price... |
The most dangerous people are those with nothing left to loose....or those who feel they have lost their dignity, self worth.
I don't believe anyone who has hope would become a suicide bomber. It really is a phenomenon that should be studied seriously, if anyone wants it to stop.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:32 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: alright.
my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)?
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simple answer we respect our religion |
You can respect your religion, and still find humourous things about it. I have a feeling that you probably do - but would never dare to share your jokes because you want to present a good public face to other people.
It is counterproductive - we would respect your religion more if you saw humour in yourselves, the way everyone else does. |
Actually,no we dont !
We dont make jokes about our religion even between eachothers because we respect it
When you believe in something and respect it you dont make jokes about it.
Even when bad things happened,we accept it as fate,as test,and we dont blame ALLAH for it
So,as japrak has pointed out the way West and east deal with religion is way much different!
That is why you 'West'cant understand why we 'East' get offended when the discussion in religions regarding İslam reach certain limit .
We have great deal of respect to what we believe!
Same as we too,we dont get it when 'West' make jokes with religion 'Christianity'
We dont get it and we dont accept it,so you dont find Muslim make joke of it tho...but,all to his ways,and its THEİR religion!
When someone talk about God as if talking about his friend,fighting with God,making fun of HİM...we dont understand it...
''HEY,that is GOD,HE is YOUR creator SHOW some respect,you respect your Mom and Dad for giving birth to you,dont you respect the one who MADE you,and MADE your parents too ?!!!''
That is what we think about it in those stiuations..but as i said all to his ways .
So you see,the way we see religion,the way we deal with it is different! |
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:35 am |
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Quoting alameda: The most dangerous people are those with nothing left to loose....or those who feel they have lost their dignity, self worth.
I don't believe anyone who has hope would become a suicide bomber. It really is a phenomenon that should be studied seriously, if anyone wants it to stop. |
This is hardly the profile of a man who has nothing left to loose, has lost his dignity or self worth. Even his parents demand to know who "brainwashed" their teacher son.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4688623.stm
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:42 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.
You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! You are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price... |
This is all very nice.... but you seem to tell a different story when you talk about PKK bombers.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:42 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting alameda: The most dangerous people are those with nothing left to loose....or those who feel they have lost their dignity, self worth.
I don't believe anyone who has hope would become a suicide bomber. It really is a phenomenon that should be studied seriously, if anyone wants it to stop. |
This is hardly the profile of a man who has nothing left to loose, has lost his dignity or self worth. Even his parents demand to know who "brainwashed" their teacher son.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4688623.stm
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Maybe what he felt he was loosing was something intangible. At any rate, I think we can agree this is something that requires serious study, not dismissiveness.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:44 am |
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Quoting alameda: Maybe what he felt he was loosing was something intangible. |
Well I think we have all felt that from time to time, but I am not aware of ever feeling the need to go and kill hundreds of people because of it.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:46 am |
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I wonder how you would analyse the Down's Syndrome suicide bombers?
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:55 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I wonder how you would analyse the Down's Syndrome suicide bombers? |
Obviously this woman was exploited.....as many of them are.
However, my contention:
The most dangerous people are those with nothing left to loose....or those who feel they have lost their dignity, self worth.
I don't believe anyone who has hope would become a suicide bomber. It really is a phenomenon that should be studied seriously, if anyone wants it to stop.
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18 Feb 2008 Mon 02:56 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
Actually,no we dont !
We dont make jokes about our religion even between eachothers because we respect it
When you believe in something and respect it you dont make jokes about it.
Even when bad things happened,we accept it as fate,as test,and we dont blame ALLAH for it
So,as japrak has pointed out the way West and east deal with religion is way much different!
That is why you 'West'cant understand why we 'East' get offended when the discussion in religions regarding İslam reach certain limit .
We have great deal of respect to what we believe!
Same as we too,we dont get it when 'West' make jokes with religion 'Christianity'
We dont get it and we dont accept it,so you dont find Muslim make joke of it tho...but,all to his ways,and its THEİR religion!
When someone talk about God as if talking about his friend,fighting with God,making fun of HİM...we dont understand it...
''HEY,that is GOD,HE is YOUR creator SHOW some respect,you respect your Mom and Dad for giving birth to you,dont you respect the one who MADE you,and MADE your parents too ?!!!''
That is what we think about it in those stiuations..but as i said all to his ways .
So you see,the way we see religion,the way we deal with it is different! |
With all due respect to what you believe Canli, but what you are saying is kind of approval of what femme said in the first place about muslims are easily offended about the jokes. And it is also KIND OF approval of condemming salman rushdi, danish cartoons etc..
But cant you see that these ideas were always common in the west? The only difference is the internet age and the information traveling so fast. so that some cartoons are printed, guys in pakistans sees the following day..(and somehow, tragically, some of them get killed in demonstrations )
Since, we know that there is freedom of expression, and also we know that there are people thinking those things about islam.
Why dont you want to hear them? why is always people sent after those people responsible? (many people sent after s rushdi, they are trying to kill those danish cartonists, in Turkey, they burnt more than 30 intellects alive in sivas madimak-because aziz nesin published s rushdi's book )
About beliving in something and not making jokes about it: Sorry but, you are wrong and how come can you speak of all islamic people? there are many many jokes about mohammed and religion in turkish language. I can give some examples if you like..
About not questioning the bad things and simply call it faith is another thing I will disagree. I really believe that it is the part of reason why all the muslim countries are not developed!! Leaving everything to Allah kind of blocks the search for what is going wrong..
I think in this forum, we talked about REFORM in islam. What is acceptable as a joke, what is freedom of speach, what is really insulting or couple of infidels' cartoons can harm The Creater. They should all be in this reform package.
Islam should have a milder face. And not accepting any critisism or jokes is not doing any good to islam..
It is partly why in the world, christianty is expanding more than islam!!
I really think muslims should be more relaxed about these issues.
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