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Auschwitz of ´12 Eylul´
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10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 01:19 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

who tried to justify it? what handsom is trying to say is that the government tortured the Kurds just because they were Kurds which is a cheap pkk lie. The government arrested, tortured and killed more Turks than Kurds during the coup. All the leftists faced such things in some way regardless of their race. There wasn`t even such a race conflict in 1980.

 

Jail of Diyarbakir was specially famous amongs the other ones during 1980´s.. The turture was almost double comparing to other jails.. (Diyarbakir jail was considered in worst 10 jails in the world btw)

I will check the cases and read some of the books again and tell you that they were DOUBLE turtured because they were KURDS or them being KURDS played a huge part for the level of torture they were subjected..

11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 01:23 pm

 

Quoting azade

 That may be possible, I don´t know - do you have any documentation we can read?

But even if you think the intention of this thread is false, don´t you think it´s horrible that a government treated it´s citizens this way and even tries to cover it up?

 

As usual, they were tried to cover up of course..But the level of torture was so gigantic, they could not hide it.

Evren might be saying ´yes we tortured people´ then I would love to see him on trial and the other generals as well..

I am sure Tamikidakika will be next to me in the court room to watch that trial

12.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 01:37 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Jail of Diyarbakir was specially famous amongs the other ones during 1980´s.. The turture was almost double comparing to other jails.. (Diyarbakir jail was considered in worst 10 jails in the world btw)

I will check the cases and read some of the books again and tell you that they were DOUBLE turtured because they were KURDS or them being KURDS played a huge part for the level of torture they were subjected..

 

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}Double tortured for being Kurdish??? how do they measure it{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

come on handsom, you can do better than this. but I have to admit your posts today are TRIPLE fun.{#lang_emotions_lol}

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 02:51 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}Double tortured for being Kurdish??? how do they measure it{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

come on handsom, you can do better than this. but I have to admit your posts today are TRIPLE fun.{#lang_emotions_lol}

 

Well..

As usual, you are trying to escape from the discussion by trying to pull  it some where else mate.lol

Because you have NO ANSWER..{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

I am nominating you as "the TULIP of the day" for your "making fun" about these torture incidents..{#lang_emotions_flowers}

14.       catwoman
8933 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:03 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I don`t think anybody tries to cover this up, not even the government itself. Even Kenan Evren who was the head general of the army and the president admits that they tortured people. You can find lots of books talking about what was going on in the jails.

 

This seems to be quite naive. {#lang_emotions_ninja}

15.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:25 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well..

As usual, you are trying to escape from the discussion by trying to pull  it some where else mate.lol

Because you have NO ANSWER..{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

I am nominating you as "the TULIP of the day" for your "making fun" about these torture incidents..{#lang_emotions_flowers}

 eh, it`s you who doesn`t have a plausible answer. Just look at the argument you`re making. what you`re basically saying is; "the Kurds were double tortured while the Turks were tortured at a normal amount(measured in metric system{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}) . the source is; I will tell you later if I can find one."

 

anyone would make fun of this.

 

 

16.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:42 pm

12  Eylül & Auschwitz?? They are irrelevant, i think the thread title is exaggrated, a bad simile, one is part of a genocide, other one is a facist revolution(i think the one of the reason that create today´s government AKP). In "12 Eylül" ülkücü side used as a pawn, and the events started with Maraş incidents in 1978, target was Alevis, followed with the same incidents in Çorum. It is true that many people tortured during "12 Eylül" but as tamikidakika mentioned people who were tortured were mainly leftists labelled as communists, independent from race but also many ülkücü shared the same destiny. No need to say thehandsom´s thread is again biased, trying to justify PKK terrorism. 

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:50 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 eh, it`s you who doesn`t have a plausible answer. Just look at the argument you`re making. what you`re basically saying is; "the Kurds were double tortured while the Turks were tortured at a normal amount(measured in metric system{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}) . the source is; I will tell you later if I can find one."

 

anyone would make fun of this.

I am elevating you status from ´tulip of the day´ to ´tulip of week´ lol

I never said that "I will tell you later if I can find one"..did I?

I have a very good book about what went on in that jail. (I will translate a few paragraphs for you)

When I read that I was ashamed of being a human being, ashamed of breathing the same air and sharing the same piece of land with those torturers.

Will you say that you are shamed of them too?

 

 

 

18.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:57 pm

 

Quoting armegon

12  Eylül & Auschwitz?? They are irrelevant, i think the thread title is exaggrated, a bad simile, one is part of a genocide, other one is a facist revolution(i think the one of the reason that create today´s government AKP). In "12 Eylül" ülkücü side used as a pawn, and the events started with Maraş incidents in 1978, target was Alevis, followed with the same incidents in Çorum. It is true that many people tortured during "12 Eylül" but as tamikidakika mentioned people who were tortured were mainly leftists labelled as communists, independent from race but also many ülkücü shared the same destiny. No need to say thehandsom´s thread is again biased, trying to justify PKK terrorism. 

 

Why is it biased?

It is just a translation from a newspaper ´radikal´!

And it is not only one writer (and me) thinks that way on this subject.

There are many many turkish articles, web sites, columns regarding Diyarbakir jail.

Sometimes I really think if you REALLY are  living in Turkey at all!!

 

 

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 05:00 pm

I am dissapointed about you guys..

I could except you could sideline yourselves with the main stream nationalism, but i would never expect that you would try to ´lessen´ the importance of these horrific tortures..

20.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 05:25 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Why is it biased?

It is just a translation from a newspaper ´radikal´!

And it is not only one writer (and me) thinks that way on this subject.

There are many many turkish articles, web sites, columns regarding Diyarbakir jail.

Sometimes I really think if you REALLY are  living in Turkey at all!!

 

Why i need to rely on a columnist from Radikal? The events he mentioned most possibly true but gist of his writing is wrong so i do not agree, there are also many columnists, many articles who/which do not share the same same substances with him.

 

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