sabır - patience

Looking at some older Turkish books I've noticed that there was once a more widespread usage of â. Now, this doesn't have the same pronunciation as the "regular" Turkish a, and as a yabancı trying to improve my pronunciation, it would be really helpful to know what (relatively) common words it pops up in. This is something that seems to be ignored by the newer Turkish books and - like our *horrible* irregular rules of English pronunciation - something that most Turks just *know* without needed an â there to help them.

I know about "hâlâ", but what else is there? Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated...

H.

emniyet kemeri - seatbelt

Rusya - Russia

kimyon - cumin

yaz - summer

The most damning thing is that, since this thread was started, they have both been suspiciously silent.

I think the nail was hit on the head - they are one and the same. Why else would they say nothing on the matter? Certainly from Isam's previous posts I'd expect him/her to defend themself/ves - and vociferously at that!

H.