For all who can´t stand Trudy ´s singing...

apply to ears not.......

For Trudy (ordered by femme,paid by AE)-

To make her anthem singing more enjoyable )))

 You are forcing Trudy to go beyond impossible,will she be able to learn all stanzas of´Mazurek Dabrowskiego"?

But it is not the end of her education on anthems,she should also be familiar with BOGURODZICA,to which we have such  national addiction,btw our former anthem)

 Do not compare amount of Polish blood lost  fighting for our AND OTHER NATIONS FREEDOM to Dutch one as you  appear not to  know  our history as well.)

 because you both do not come from the country whose freedom was gained by blood shed  on the battlefields and our values simply differ but even your origin does not give you the right to mock at other countries anthems.Enjoy mocking at yours if you feel the need .

 I do not understand your reasoning DD in the case of any national anthem of any country,not only Turkey.Comparing it to kokorec sounds very parochial,I wonder how would you react if somebody compared our anthem to "kaszanka´?

Yes ,up to a point  I agree,ppl may like or not it but IT DOES NOT MEAN that anybody is at liberty to mock at words or  a tune.Even anarchists do not...And despite one´s likness or lack of it the respect should be kept.The thing that this site lacks.

If a song or a poem was chosen to represent the nation there must have been a valid reason for which this song or poem was placed over others.VALID for the nation ,which means  that any  public mockery and insults at the anthem  are targeted at its people.

According to the Un Child Rights Convention signed by almost all countries in the world the interest of the child is the main point on which country policies must be focused.Some countries don´t have sufficient laws and structures to provide children with their basic needs -care,love and education.And if this ability of the country fails an international adoption seems to be rightful to be considered.In case an abandoned child cannot be brought up by relatives,or community members acting as foster parents or any other family willing to provide all basic needs for this child and all other options better than orphanages,to which I strongly oppose ,are exhausted international adoption  with agreement to national and international laws is the best option .

Another problem is the age  and health condition of adopted  to be children.Most of future foster families are interested in babies and toddlers with excellent health conditions.

Infertility and childlesness are the main reasons in many cases for foster parents to look for a child  preferably small enough,who will fill emptiness in their life and help them create happy family.And if this happens both - a child and parents can benefit.

But on the other hand not all kids that can be adopted are under  age of 3 years old and  in excellent health.My admiration goes to any parent who decides on adopting such a kid in order to help him/her enjoy happy,careless childhood and provide medical care,no matter if  single or married parents are.

Just adding to my original post,I am not against adoption even by foreigners but I do think

that the more attention should be given to the needs of the child by first trying adoption or foster care locally in child´s homeland  and my thought refers to pretty well functioning countries  with decent per capita not to the countries affected by wars,conflicts,etc...

For AE just in case somebody steps on her foot while dancing hoptek)))

here

This thread"Freedom of speech"in TCL brought Orwell´s Animal farm quote to my mind

"ALL PIGS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME PIGS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS´

the question not for me but I will dare to answer....

it is the only legend about Bosphorus.....details in Jak Deleon book,btw gorgeous read

Why Zeus has to be a character in Turkish literature?Thrace had its pantheon of Gods and Bosphorus is a Thracian word.Istanbul was not exclusively Turkish)and Thrace was taken all over by Turks in 14th century.surprise?))))

btw,I always thought Polish educational system is the best oneor...you were just teasing janissary?