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Thread: Very good article about the current position about Terrorism in Turkey

1101.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:25 am

I have read this article before, very well written indeed and can be understood by public clearly, but these had been said/written maybe thousands of time through the period of AKP, so it will gather no way to solution if public do not awake and do not sell their votes. Btw the biggest part of this problem is caused by politicians rather than army. 



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1102.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:15 am

 

Quoting amnariel

 

Every person, baptised or not, christian or not, will be judged by her/his deeds and actions, how much good did she/he did in life, how many times choose the harder way just because that was the honest way. I believe that ALL good people will go to Heaven, so our DEEDS will be judged, not US. Hope this makes sense to someone else, not just me

 

Are these the doctrine of christianity? As far as i know in christianity only salvation is Jesus Christ not deeds. And Jesus´ sacrifice saves people, according to Pavlus(Paul) Abraham was saved through faith, Noah was saved through faith, so it seems in christianity faith in Jesus Christ carries importance rather than deeds.

 

This also discussed in Bibles, see the below passages, choose one to believe , Christians had chosen Paul;

Quote:

Pavlus:

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”(Romans/3:2
“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”(Galatians/3:23)

Jacob:

“But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”(Jacob/1:25)

Pavlus:

“Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:” (Romans/3:22)

Jacoob:

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(Jacob/2:14)

Pavlus:

“Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith”(Romans/3:3

Jacoob:

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”(Jacoob/2:19)

Pavlus:

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”(Romans/4:3)

Jacoob:

“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?”(Jacoob/2:20-21)

Pavlus:

“for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.”(Romans/4:9)

Jacoob:

“Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?”(Jacoob/2:22)



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1103.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:07 am

 

 

Quoting catwoman

So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?

 

 I think i explained this here;below ..

Quoting armegon

It seems whitepath confused , actually he is looking at the single verses not seeing the big picture of Quran. It is clear from the Quran(98:1-3, 5.69, 7:157, 2:135-137) that the belief in one Creator and the Last day should be in accordance and conformity with Quran.

Believing in one Creator is the main message of Quran, if you have submitted to one God and if the description of God do have confirmity with the Quran(actually Quran claims it is confirmation of all other holy books which was not corrupted, means the ones who once believed that holy books were also muslims according to Quran) that means you are also muslim and these verses herald that there is a reward for them regardless of religion that they say to believe thus giving a name of one´s religion carries no importance. And of course only God knows what is in heart. 2:135-137 describes this well, i think;

Quote:

2:135-137 They say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided" Say, "Nay, we follow the religion of Abraham, the upright. He associated no one with  One True God." And Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian.
O you who believe, say, "We believe in Allah and the Revelation that has been conveyed to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob as well as the tribal Israelite Prophets; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among them since all of them were one in Purpose and they got their guidance from One True God. And for Him, we are Muslims."
So, if they come to believe in the way you believe, they will be rightly guided. But if they turn away, they will be falling into opposition and Allah will be Sufficient for you against them. He is the Hearer, Knower of all things and events. 

 

 



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1104.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 10:46 am

It seems whitepath confused , actually he is looking at the single verses not seeing the big picture of Quran. It is clear from the Quran(98:1-3, 5.69, 7:157, 2:135-137) that the belief in one Creator and the Last day should be in accordance and conformity with Quran. Such verses emphasize that giving a name of one´s religion or creed carries no importance. Besides the word muslim means "the one who submitted to God". And i think his definition of sabians seems wrong to me also .



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1105.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 01:01 am

 

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think you completely lost the plot in this post

Not so much important, i havent seen here so many members adhered to the subject including you. Thats just a reply to your "purpose questions" which came to my mind while i was writing .

Quoting thehandsom

I did not call you racist, btw. I just reminded that no racist calls themselves racists generally..They always call themselves patriotic.

 

 You dont need to remind me these if it is not an allusion.

Quoting thehandsom

But if you call me a kurdish racist,  it will be quite peculier as I am not Kurdish at all..

I think we had talked this before, you dont need to be Kurd to be Kurdish racist or Kurdish nationalist. Can you find pure blood Kurds ?

 

Quoting SPEEDY_GUNAYI

{#lang_emotions_bigsmile} Lol i think they mean you are racist towards Kurd not actually a Kurd yourself {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

 lol {#lang_emotions_lol_fast} 



Thread: english to turkish, please check. Thank you

1106.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:33 am

Correct  - Bana kýzgýn mýsýn?

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Thread: Four Season

1107.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:31 am

Spring of course{#lang_emotions_super_cool}



Thread: Urgent, lütfen bana yardým edebilir misiniz?

1108.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:29 am

Babam seni göreceðim için mutlu, ama acil bir durum olabilir diye, Ýzmir´de ziyaret edeceðimiz açýk adresi istediðini söyledi. Ona söyledim Ýzmir´e gidip gitmeyeceðimizi bile bilmiyorum ancak hala adresi istiyor yoksa benim gitmeme izin vermeyecek. Biliyorum aptalca ama hatýrým için lütfen bana ona verebileceðim bir adres söyle ya da þimdi söyle veya enkýsa zamanda bana yaz, çünkü babam þakaya gelmez, ve devamlý olarak Ýzmir´de herhangi bir yeri ziyaret ettiðimiz takdirde adrese ihtiyacý olduðunu söylüyor. Benim dairemin adresini biliyor. Eðer vermek istemiyorsan, bu durumda lütfen ona verip susturabileceðim bir adres uydur. Gerçekten önemli. Henüz ona adresi vermedim ve o öfkeli.

 

ps: For the second-time; take care of yourself. And if u dont mind, my little advice is; do not delude your dad, have a good vacation... 

Quoting *Carla Louise*

´´ My dad is happy that I will see you, but he said that he would like the address that we would visit if we go to Izmir, in case there is an emergency. I told him I don´t know if we go Izmir but he says he still needs an address or he won´t let me go. I know it´s silly, but for my sake please tell me an address that I can give to him, either tell me now or by text as soon as possible, because my dad can be serious man and he keeps saying I need an address in case we visit anywhere in Izmir. He knows my apartment address. If you don´t want to give, then please just create an address that I can give to him to keep him quiet. Is really important. He is angry I not give him address yet. "

 

Þimdiden çoook teþekkür ederim.  

 

 



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1109.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 12:52 am

 

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

So are you saying that ´liberalism and political correctness´ are supressing the brits-or thye west-?

 

 Yep, ver good at least you perceived. What do you think when they mean to say by the word "integrate"? Thats a hidden way

Quoting thehandsom

so that their understanding of freedom is just ´to drink drugs, can sleep each night with different man/woman, wearing ridiculous cloths´?

Please clarify..

 

 No, i think i explained them when i responded to peacetrain, read please.

Quoting thehandsom

(ps..just a quick note..I have seen very little number of racists accepted publicly as ´Yes. I am racist´. Even Nazis called themselves nationalist)

Very good, then you wont get offended when i call you Kurdish racist as you call me racist. Please do us more literature to show how poor Kurds killed by Turks.

 

Btw when we taught Pamuk how to count, you call us racist or when we explain the purpose of mrs mitterand, you got angry, you called us two-times racist{#lang_emotions_razz}. But you ignore the fact, after the first gulf war, US released Saddam on Kurds and we accepted that refugees in our country who escaped from the cruelty of Saddam, mrs mitterand was again also there, she was very merciful, she took a few refugees to her country, looking at their teeth what a wonderful show, saved the humanity. But whats our reward after we fed up and protected that refugees, after we paid billions of money? The tragedy caused by US, returned us back an international agenda of Kurdish issue firstly. And after the second gulf war, that people whom we fed up and protected, threatening us by the hands of Barzani, we know have a legal PKK called Barzani .

 



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1110.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2008 Fri 11:39 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Is it what you think of the west and is it the only perception you managed to get from the west?

And people who understood and praised you about your last paragraph. And you approve this ? eh?

The freedom for you is just drink, drugs and sleeping with different partners every nights?

 

(I am not going to go to what perception of ´a free woman  from the west´ can be for a Turk according to this angle)

Thats your very-well donated perception if you understand these from my post, monseiur thehandsom .

 



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