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Thread: English to Turkish :)

1.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Sep 2012 Sun 09:50 pm

Kabul ediyorum ki insanlar hayvanlar gibidir. Bir çift tanıyorum burada bukalemun gibiler. Nerede olurlarsa olsunlar, hikayelerini değiştiriyorlar.

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Thread: Translation needed :)

2.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2012 Mon 03:41 pm

Grammatically what AlphaF said is obviously right, but yeah in daily conversation, they are both interchangable used by Turkish folk.

 



Thread: Volley news

3.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2012 Thu 04:24 pm

 

Quoting si++

Well Armegon,

 

Nice to hear from you

 

Thanks si++

 

Quote:

This is a volleyball thread 

Ok, here you go then

 

Quote:

and FB is not the women champions of this year´s. You know Eczacıbaşı has this year´s title.

Yeah ! Because of the absurd play off system of Turkish Volleyball federation, now that federation is looking for teams to play in Turkish cup, they planned and excellent schedule this year



Thread: Volley news

4.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2012 Fri 07:26 pm

Although the all problems FB sports club faced this season,



Edited (4/20/2012) by armegon



Thread: Match-fixing scandal in Turkie

5.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2011 Wed 02:06 am

And now yesterday one more thing came into the light that either Lütfi Arıboğan(ex-GS basketball player- became active again in GS on 14th of June before the match fixing scandal) and İlhan Helvacı(brother of GS presidental candidate Mehmet Helvacı, also advocate of S.Saran who manipulating media against FB) or UEFA are lying or both party together intrigued...



Thread: Match-fixing scandal in Turkie

6.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2011 Wed 01:52 am

 

Quoting si++


And Trabzonspor in! You deserve it boys! Wish you success!

 

UEFA needs to redefine its zero-tolerance policy or give a detailed legal description why Fenerbahçe was replaced by a team also under match-fixing suspicion, namely Trabzonspor.



Thread: Match-fixing scandal in Turkie

7.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2011 Wed 01:51 am

CONCERNS ABOUT POLITICIZATION OF TURKISH FOOTBALL: Letter to the UEFA and UEFA Chief Counsel’s reply

CONCERNED FOOTBALL ENTHUSIASTS’ LETTER VIA ATTORNEY dated October 5, 2011 :

To UEFA officials concerned with autonomous and fair governance of football,

We’ve seen UEFA’s sensitivity over match fixing recently with the Greek example. The investigation in Turkey is taking a judicially worrying course, however. Turkish Football Association (TFF) announced their decision to wait for indictment as it should be. Due to secrecy of the case, the lawyers of the defence are not allowed to retrieve files, and currently it is impossible to make a fair trial. Also continuously new people are called for testimony. But from the first day, there is a huge mass media manipulation to influence the decision making process of Turkish Football Association and direct threats exposed by media.

Therefore, as Turkish football enthusiasts, we want to express our concerns to UEFA over the on-going procedure as part of our legal rights. You’re in continual contact with the TFF a informed. But it’s impossible for them to inform you of the pressure going on behind the scenes. There is a serious breach of autonomy and the protection of national associations’ autonomy is one of UEFA’s highest priorities.

The Turkish state has been involved in the formation of current and previous TFF management. This last change of president was particularly surprising. There was the government’s former Youth and Sports General Manager, Mehmet Atalay, who had been preparing for the post for a year and-a-half, while the other candidate was the Vice Pres’dent of the Clubs Association, Göksel Gümüşdağ, who is the nephew of Prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s wife and also the chairman of Istanbul Buyukşehir Belediyespor, a club in the Turkish Super League that is a municipality team with organic ties to of days, a new candidate came about: Mehmet Ali Aydinlar. Gümüşdağ retracted his candidacy and was placed in Aydinlar’s list of board members. Atalay quietly removed himself from candidacy. Reports later indicated that the Prime forward Aydinlar’s name to club chairmen. Hence, single handedly, political power in the coutry decided who would manage Turkish football. A short while later, arrests over match fixing started out, according to reports. A TFF vice-president for three terms, Lütfi Ariboğan, was made so only a short while after losing the Turkish Basketball Association presidential elections. He has been selected and placed by the ruling political power.

The presumption of innocence, the right to legally defend oneself and having a fair values that have been thrown out the window by the justice system and the Turkish media since the investigation began on 3 July. A confidential investigation has been manipulated diredtly by the police and disinformation carried out through conscious leaks to the media. The media made a conviction, using headlines such as “Photos of corruption” and “Six games fixed”, that could never be published in countries where human rights are fully adhered. A sense of justice and UEFA’s principles in such situations has been ignored totally.

TFF couldn’t obtain the evidence due to the “secrecy” of the case. But the public prosecution once again broke the constitution by handing over the files to Turkish Football Association. But the defence’s request was turned down. The police handpicked the files before giving them to TFF. And from what’s been leaked to the media it’s clear that the files are comprised of unbalanced, many question marks and solely negative evidence towards the figures involved. The clubs mentioned in the case and the people under judicial custody simply do not know what they’re accused of. So TFF is being forced to make a decision based on a biased case with dubious police observations, without giving the defence a chance to defend themselves.

The propaganda made through the media has its roots stretching to politics. Today, a few businessmen have a monopoly over the Turkish media. These people also run businesses outside of the media and have lucrative contractual relationships with the state, so they never broadcast or publish any critical stories regarding this investigation.

In addition, it was revealed that the investigation was held back until the Turkish general elections were over, obviously not to negatively affect the ruling AKP’s election campaign. It was explicitly revealed that the police avoided making any arrests to catch the alleged perpetrators red-handed. More over on July 5 2011 Turkish football head Mehmet Ali Aydınlar stated that the prosecutor had told him they knew the scores of the five Fenerbahce games beforehand. Prosecutor denied it, but after one month and after the decision of TFF. Also he did not deny claims which he told that he would not open an investigation if Fenerbahçe lost the championship at the last match of the season. TFF has been misdirected by the legal authorities.

In short, through the guidance of political powers, TFF thrown together in a hurry after the general elections was given a great burden to carry. This pressure is growing.

Turkish politicians have heavily intervened in the Turkish league, especially in the last two seasons. Members of parliament, ministers and bureaucrats made unacceptable and pressurizing statements at the peak of the title race in the 2009-2010 season in favour of Bursaspor and this season in favour of Trabzonspor. Former Sports Minister and current MP Mehmet Au ahin is one of them. He is someone who ignored telephone conversation recordings and files relating to match-fixing in 2004 and is therefore responsible, together with Turkish Football Association, for the matter being extinguished by negative prescription. Secretary of State Faruk Ozak is a former Trabzonspor chairman and is an MP for Trabzon. He has explicitly said that Trabzonspor has been given 27 million dollars of state money, revealing the partiality of the state. Each week this season, Trabzonspor played Fenerbahçe’s opponents two weeks later. Around each game, protocols were signed with those clubs to build stadiums using public funds — almost bribery.

Statesmen have given statements in front of TV cameras that have irresponsibly labelled the people being questioned as guilty. About an investigation surrounding another team’s 2006 games, Interior Minister Şahin said: “On the basis of my legal knowledge and experience, I’m saying that the police can’t do anything with the files that they have,” influencing the investigative process.

UEFA sees TFF as modem and autonomous, but Turkish footballs biggest problem for many years has been the politicisation of TFF. There are tens of football clubs across all leagues that are those of regional municipalities, whose names end with “Belediyespor”. This is a pure conflict of interest as public institutions are competing with private clubs in football leagues. Municipalities are totally controlled by the current government. Their budgets and funds are completely dependent on them.

Finally, we ask that you as UEFA set up a legal team to investigate the claims. The primary duty of authoritative bodies should be to take football away from the influence of national politics. Now is the time to do exactly that.

APPENDIX

TFF published all reports about the investigation sent to UEFA (27 August 2011). According to those reports, UEFA was informed that Fenerbahce is not the only Turkish Football team under judicial investigation, but Beşiktaş and Trabzonspor are also faced with serious accusations of match-fixing.

However, letter from UEFA dated 23 August 2011 addressed to TFF was solely about the Fenerbahçe. Accusations against Beşiktaş and Trabzonspor were ignored, hence those two teams are allowed to play in UEFA Europa and Champions league, respectively. The underlying cause of Fenerbahçe’s removal from the Champions League was UEFA’s zero-tolerance policy. According to your offical announcement at 24th August, Fenerbahce excluded due the fact that the club has been involved in match-fixing:

The UEFA Emergency Panel, composed of the UEFA President and four members of the UEFA Executive Committee, met today following the decision of the TFF to withdraw Fenerbahçe SK from the 2011/12 UEFA Champions League due to the fact that the club has been involved in match-fixini.’

UEFA needs to redefine its zero-tolerance policy or give a detailed legal description why Fenerbahçe was replaced by a team also under match-fixing suspicion, namely Trabzonspor.

UEFA CHIEF COUNSEL PIERRE CORNU’S REPLY on November 11, 2011:

 

Von: Cornu Pierre [mailto:********@uefa.ch]
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. November 2011 15:55
An: ****@******advokaten.ch
Betreff: Fenerbahçe / Turquie

 

This is a letter sent to Cornu and he forwarded this to someone unknown; Reply from Cornu;

Maître,

Votre courrier du 5 octobre 2011 nous est bien parvenu.

Je peux vous assurer que l’UEFA suit de près la situation en Turquie. Nous avons notamment des contacts réguliers avec la Fédération turque, qui nous tient au courant de l’évolution. Il va de soi que l’UEFA veille et veillera à l’intégrité du football, en Turquie comme ailleurs.

(Translation: I can assure you that UEFA is closely monitoring the situation in Turkey. In particular, we have regular contacts with the Turkish Federation, which keeps us informed of developments. It goes without saying that UEFA day and ensure the integrity of football in Turkey and elsewhere.)

Meilleures salutations.

Pierre Cornu
Chief Counsel, Integrity and Regulatory Affairs

UEFA
Route de Genève 46
CH-1260 Nyon 2

Direct Tel: +41 ******

Mobile : *********

Main Tel: +41 ******

Fax: +41 ******

website: www.uefa.com




Thread: Turkey 103rd happiest country

8.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Jun 2011 Mon 02:06 pm

Turkish people always complain...



Thread: Refugees suffer as PM presses al-Assad

9.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Jun 2011 Sat 02:14 pm

easy champ, we will sort it out{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

Quoting MeDanone

nadaloo anni hanni li wara ye reet ye reet

haifa wehbe

 

my friends also called me sheebs, probably a lennox thing. Tres chic.

 

Now scratch your head. Now I know why Andrew Jones was talking about dildoe´s.

 

Disgusting

 

I´ll have you, Melanie Townsend, anytime

 

 



Thread: Refugees suffer as PM presses al-Assad

10.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jun 2011 Wed 10:40 pm

@tunci- I have no intention to justify Esad, he is in power for about 30 years, but I think dirty games that are being used to take down Bashar, are needed to be voiced. Unfortunately Turkey is one of the main actor in this theatre together with US. And this has nothing to do with DEMOCRACY. Last time Bashar´s police were shooting at the civilian people and dissidents were calling people to leave their places and to support the uprisings, then it is understood by the people they were not Bashar´s police but some people else wearing police uniforms, and you did not hear it on the news, did you?

 

@barba-at the moment I am working with many Syrian people who are from various regions of Syria, and that is why I responded to this thread like this otherwise I would do the same as you or many others who are being fed by Al Jazira news or any other bloodsucker media. Now let me tell you a real story what I heard from one of them. Nearly two months ago, a group of men caught in Syria by the locals, these men were armed and they were from KSA city of Hafr Batn which mainly the Saudi military located. And these men were seen in one place shooting sunni people in different clothing and image, again same men were seen shooting Shi´a people in different clothing. So what do you think the aim is?  And who do you think these dissidents are being funded by? So far I heard the weapons they are using are of Turkish origin. In my opinion no need for these dirty games supported by other states to knock down Bashar, which definitely would cause more and more death of people... 



Edited (6/15/2011) by armegon

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Thread: Refugees suffer as PM presses al-Assad

11.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jun 2011 Wed 12:57 pm

One should know the real situation in Syria beforehand blaming a side. Media news are not reliable, Turkish media even crappier than the others. TR & US have a big affect at the moment in Syria...

Quoting tunci

Note : Another bloody dictator massacaring his own people.

 


 

 

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Thread: Very very important letter, please translate for me.

12.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2011 Thu 01:55 pm

Welcome, I corrected some grammar errors now...

Quoting Esmereldaa

Thank you so so much, to both armegon and scalpel for your time. I appreciate it very very much, so thank you

 

 



Thread: Very very important letter, please translate for me.

13.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2011 Thu 01:50 pm

But possibly yours was better than mine as I translated the text at the same time talking on phone

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Because you were faster than me And I didn´t want to confuse esmereldaa with two outwardly different translations.

 

 

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Thread: Very very important letter, please translate for me.

14.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2011 Thu 12:20 pm

Why you deleted your post scalpel? 

Quoting scalpel

 


 

 

 

 



Thread: Very very important letter, please translate for me.

15.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2011 Thu 12:13 pm

A quick translation maybe I have some errors, hope it helps, good luck Esmeral

Quoting Esmereldaa

Thanks to my friend have discovered this site, please can somebody translate this long letter for me? It is very long but so important. Thank you so much. I need to send this very soon.

 

´´

I am not proud of myself. I ask you to forgive me for writing this letter/message to you. What happened to us I still don´t understand, but I never hated you. I never thought I would find out that you are married. Of course, you are a wonderful person so it was inevitable, but it should have been me that you married. It should have been me.

Kendimle gurur duymuyorum. Sana bu mektubu yazdığım için senden beni bağışlamanı istiyorum. Bize ne oldu hala anlayamadım, ancak senden asla nefret etmedim. Senin evlenmiş olduğunu öğreneceğimi hiç düşünmezdim. Kuşkusuz, sen harika birisin, ve bu kaçınılmazdı. Ama evlendiğin ben olmalıydım. O ben olmalıydım.

I hate myself. I should have contacted you, but my pride wouldn´t let me and my problems got in the way too much. My life fell apart after what happened in every way.

Kendimden nefret ediyorum. Seninle irtibata geçmeliydim, ama gururum buna izin vermedi ve problemlerim de daha çoğaldı. Olanlardan sonra hayata dayanacak gücüm kalmadı.  

I thought not talking to you was the best thing to do back then, but I lost you. 8 years since I met you. And I know they say ´you never forget your first love´, but you were much more to me than that. You were everything to me. And I hate to admit it, but you still are. I have your pictures and the book of poems I wrote in my wardrobe. I have often read them and cried. I saw us getting married, having children, I didn´t know where we would live but it didn´t matter to me.

Seninle konuşmamanın en iyisi olduğunu düşünmüştüm önceden, ama seni kaybettim. Seninle tanıştıktan sekiz yıl sonra. Ve "Asla ilk aşkını unutamadığını" söyler insanlar, ama sen bundan daha önemliydin benim için. Sen benim herşeyimdin. Ve bunu itiraf etmekten nefret ediyorum, ama hala öylesin. Bende resimlerin var ve gardrobumda yazdığım şiir kitabım var. Sık sık onu okudum ve ağladım. Evlenmiş olduğumuzu ve çocuklarımız olduğunu hayal ediyordum, nerede yaşadığımızı bilmiyordum ama bu benim için önemli değildi.

I can´t love anyone after you. If you can teach me how to love someone else, I will try to learn. 

Did you mean what you said recently? About us being together one day? If you meant it, come now.

 

Senden sonra kimseyi sevemem. Eğer sen bana başka birini sevmeyi öğretebilirsen, öğrenmeye çalışırım.

En son bana söylediğin şeyde ciddimiydin? Bir gün tekrar birlikte olmamız konusunda? Eğer bunu kastettiysen, hemen gel.

Think. If you love your wife, if you want to grow old with her, if you want a family with her, then stay with her and I wish you all the best. I´ve seen her picture and she looks nice, I admit. But if you feel like you want to live that life with me, then you know what to do.

 

Düşün. Eğer karını seviyorsan, onunla yaşlanmak istiyorsan, onunla aile kurmak istiyorsan, o zaman onunla beraber ol, sana bol şans dilerim. Onun resmini gördüm, itiraf etmeliyim ki çok hoş görünüyor. Ancak eğer benimle yaşamak istediğini hissediyorsan, ne yapman gerektiğini biliyorsun.

Yes, I´m not proud to say this to a married man, but I have learnt that if you don´t tell someone how you feel, you lose them forever.

Evet, evli bir adama bunu söylediğim için gurur duymuyorum,ama karşındakine nasıl hissettiğini anlatmazsan, onu sonsuza kadar kaybedersin.

Why did you find me on Facebook? You said that you married this lady for a reason, but I was ready to marry you. If you ever want to be with me again it will be hard, you would have to break a heart to be with me. But if our story is over, and you have 100% moved on, tell me honestly. I need to know what´s in your heart, no jokes or lies.

 

Niçin beni "Facebook" tan buldun? Bir sebepten ötürü bu hanımefendi ile evlendiğini söyledin, ama ben de seninle evlenmeye hazırdım. Eğer bir kez daha benimle olmak istiyorsan, bu zor olacak, bunun için bir kalp kırman gerekecek. Ama bizim hikayemiz bitti ise, ve sen bu yolda ilerlemek istiyorsan, bunu dürüstçe anlat bana. Kalbinde ne olduğunu bilmem gerekiyor, şaka veya yalan yok. 

Meeting you and your family was the happiest time of my life, those memories have lived with me every day since.

Seninle ve ailenle tanışmak hayatımın en mutlu anıydı, anıları o günden beri benimle yaşıyor. 

Me and my boyfriend live apart, we see each other once a week for coffee or cinema, there is no physical relationship, he cheated on me and we argue so much. Some days I thought we were happy, but it has been violent sometimes. I´ve tried leaving him before but he has threatened to tell my father about my mother´s problems, which will cause more problems.  I am building the strength to leave him now. Because I will never love anyone like I love you, if I have to be alone the rest of my life, let it be.

Ben ve erkek arkadaşım ayrı yaşıyoruz, birbirimizi haftada bir kere kahve içmek veya sinemaya gitmek için görüyoruz, fiziksel bir ilişki yok, beni aldattı zaten ve çok tartıştık. Bazı günler mutlu olduğumuzu düşünüyorum, ancak bazen de vahşice olduğunu düşünüyorum. Ondan ayrılmayı denedim, beni babama annemin problemlerini anlatacağını söyleyerek tehdit etti, bu da daha çok problem doğuracaktı. Ondan ayrılmak için şimdi güçleniyorum. Çünkü hiç kimseyi senin gibi sevmedim, eğer hayatım boyunca yalnız kalacaksam da, kalayım. 

My parents might be going toto ..  in the first two weeks of September, I might come with them. But if you can´t see me then, tell me now.

Annem ve babam Eylül´ün ilk iki haftası ...´e/a-ye/ya gidebilir, bende onlarla gelebilirim. Ama beni görmek istemiyorsan, şimdiden söyle lütfen.

 

Whatever you decide, just tell me the truth. Think of your life, how you can be happy. You say you´re unhappy, could you find happiness with me? Just please, talk to me, even if it´s the last time. You can contact me on this number:

 

Neye karar verirsen ver, bana sadece doğruyu söyle. Hayatını düşün, nasıl mutlu olabileceğini düşün. Mutsuz olduğunu söylüyorsun, benimle mutluluğu bulabilecek misin? Sadece konuş benimle lütfen son kez bile olsa. Aşağıdaki numaradan bana ulaşabilirsin.

 

Please don´t tell anyone about this message, they will think I am shameful.

Ne olur kimseye bu mektuptan bahsetme, benim bir yüz karası olduğumu düşünebilirler.

 

Take care of yourself. ´´

 

 

 



Edited (6/2/2011) by armegon [forgot to translate one part]
Edited (6/2/2011) by armegon [grammar]



Thread: CHAMPION FENERBAHCE !

16.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2011 Mon 02:02 am

BİZ BİZE YETERİZ ÇÜNKÜ FENERBAHÇELİYİZ...{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}{#emotions_dlg.pray}

 

Şampiyonluk Klibi

 

And some tweets from the FB Basketball player Trance Kinsey {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

This is how u celebrate a team victory.. I fucking love it.. Fenerbahce http://yfrog.com/gz82smjj

I´m getting so many tweets I cant reply. But yes I´m on Bagdat street...This is crazy.. I never seen anything like this in my life. 



Thread: Eurovision 2011 - Winner Azerbaijan

17.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2011 Sat 02:05 am

Definitely many countries chose to sing in English with mostly absurd costumes and dances which do not represent their cultural heritage including TR.



Edited (5/21/2011) by armegon

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Thread: How do you exercise your brain?

18.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2011 Sat 01:48 am

I am right-handed but I use only my left foot while kicking or playing football. Does it count ?

Quoting barba_mama

 Another nice way is to use your left hand all day when you´re right-handed.

 

 



Thread: Volley news

19.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2011 Thu 04:20 am

 

Fenerbahce Acibadem clinches the title three in a row

11 May Wednesday 2011 22:06:25



Fenerbahce Acibadem defeated Vakifbank Gunes Sigorta Turk Telekom 3-2 and won the series 3-0. So that, FB Acibadem has got third consecutive championship in Aroma Women’s 1st League.

Fenerbahce Acibadem set a pace away 4-8, Vakifgunes was having attack errors and could not defend back court enough, hence a four point sequence was appeared for yellow canary 4-12 and Giovanni Guidetti spent both time outs. Nothing was working for the European Champion, FB Acibadem ended the first stage via combined attacks 12-25.

While local rivals having a struggle on the court, about 4000 Fenerbahce supporters were singing victory songs 4-8, Vakifgunes bounced back with a short affect 8-9, they could not keep up without captain Gozde Sonsirma who was injured in the second match 12-16, when it was 14-19, Vakifgunes trainer Guidetti booked for unsportsmenship behaviour, finally, FBA seized the set 20-25.

Even though host moved to 3-0 in third set, FB Acibadem caught up them 3-3 and managed to lead the first mandatory stop 7-8. Opposite to first two sets, Vakifgunes changed the formation, they started to play their usual position this year, they were so confident then to arrive to second tech time out 16-12. After the break, referee punished FB Acibadem’s Brazilian trainer Jose Roberto with a yellow card, when guest team requested second optional time out, difference was huge 18-12. Malgorzata Glinka and Jelena Nikolic were starring in offense while the others of team joined them so well 25-18.

Home team was faster than ever in fourth set 4-1 to 6-2, but they were not tall on the net when reception was not good, FBA used this deficiency to come to 12-10. Vakifbank did not give up anyway, this time Ze Roberto called the second time out while Gunes was shining 18-13, however it did not work, Vakifgunes snatched the set 25-19.

A balanced tie break was continued up to 6, then Vakifgunes sped up 8-6 changing the courts, but guest staff easily even up 8-8, Maja Poljak&Ozge Cemberci co. rised up again 11-9 where Fenerbahce stopped the game. Host brought the game back but missed last 4 services, additional reception error made it 12-13 approaching to end. Last two mistakes of home team was announcing 2010-2011 champion 12-15, Fenerbahce Acibadem won the match 3-2.

VAKIFBANK GSTT- FB ACIBADEM: 2-3

Hall: Burhan Felek

Referees: I.Senyurt, T.Oneri

Vakifbank GSTT: Ozge, Nikolic, Bahar, Glinka, Guldeniz, Poljak, Gizem(L), Nilay, Melis, Bahanur

FB Acibadem: Ipek, Skowronska, Osmokrovic, Eda, Naz, Sokolova, Nihan(L), Zulfiye, Ergul, Yagmur, Seda

Sets: 12-25, 20-25, 25-18, 25-19, 12-15

Duration: 118 min. (21-26-26-29-16)

 

Source 

 

World Champion & European Champion matched for the last time this season, FBA passed the series 3-0 and won the title...

 

Congrats to Fenerbahçe !!!

 

This is the 3rd championship of FB sports club this year after winning the title in Men´s Volleyball & Women´s Basketball {#emotions_dlg.applause}{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

 


 



Thread: Eurovision 2011 - Winner Azerbaijan

20.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2011 Wed 01:46 am

I havent watched the contest, just learned from a newspaper that TR eliminated, and people criticizing the costume of the Y.Sadakat



Thread: Questions in internet cafe´ please

21.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2011 Tue 10:37 pm

Saati ne kadar? ---How much will I pay for an hour? or How much does cafe charge me for an hour?

Akşam saat kaça kadar açıksınız?---Till what time in the evening does the cafe stay open?



Thread: English to Turkish Please

22.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2011 Sat 02:18 am

My try;

 

Önceden tahmin ettiğim gibi, Mayara seninle çevrimiçi konuşmuyor çünkü Türkçe ve İngilizce gibi anlamadığı dillerde konuşmaya çalışmak ona tuhaf geliyor. Ancak senin üzülmemeni ve senin için her şeyin yolunda olduğunu umduğunu söyledi. Ne yazık ki ne benim ona İnglizce öğretmeye zamanım var, ne de onun öğrenmeye, çünkü tam gün çalışıyor, üniversitede de gece dersleri var, bu yüzden hayatı çok yoğun. Mayara´nın artık benim için çalışmadığını bilip bilmediğini bilmiyorum, yeni bir ofisim var ve artık onu tutamazdım, bundan dolayı artık onu çok fazla görmüyorum, ama gerçekten onu seviyorum, çok iyi bir kız. Neyse, her şey yolundadır senin için umarım, ve İtalyanca öğrenmeye devam et, Portekizce öğrenmeye başladığında sana yardımcı olacaktır.

Quoting Milah

Please translate to Turkish...

 

"Like i had already guessed, Mayara said she don´t talk to you online because it is very weird for her since she doesn´t understand any turkish or english. But she asked you not to be sad with her and that she hopes you are doing well. Unfortunately i don´t have any time to teach he english, neither does she have any time to learn it now, since she is working full time and has university classes at night, so life is very busy for her. I don´t know if you already know but Mayara is no longer working for me, i have a new office and i couldn´t keep her in, so i don´t see her that much anymore, but i really like her, she is a very good girl. Anyway, hope you are doing fine and keep up with your Italian, it will help you when you learn Portuguese"

 

 

 

Thank you so much in advance for the translation, Milah

 

 



Edited (5/7/2011) by armegon

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Thread: New Internet regulation to put Turkey among top censoring countries

23.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2011 Thu 06:51 pm

Yeah we should, we will get used to this slowly I am sure, before we have been talking, we could access the banned sites via using proxy or DNS, so no problem and now it is decided to pass next stage of filtering which again we will say no problem and in the end we will be accessing to the sites decided by our advanced democratic government. I bet you know we are talking about the mentality here that could not bear the site of Richard Dawkins because of their beliefs.Wink

For now it seems they changed their decision a little for a while after a lot reactions...

Quoting si++

 

 

Then we should learn to live with that regulations. I give it a thought and I think there won´t be too much problem on my side.

 

 



Thread: Osama bin Laden killed in shootout, Obama says

24.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2011 Thu 06:45 pm

Why do official declarements continue to change in time?First it was declared, he was armed and used his wife as a shield, and then it was stated neither of them has happened, he was not armed, and then it was insisted he had resisted(without a weapon?), lots of data flying around, before Pakistani leader stated that they caught him, handed over him to US forces in 2001 and US forces released him, and then there were rumours he had died because of kidney cancer in 2001 etc... 

Anyway it seems Ladin period is over, he was the created enemy after cold war, the question is who will be next bad man? Kaddafi, Zewahiri or Esad? Let American people choose one in a democratic way, that is my suggestion {#emotions_dlg.lol}

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Thread: Austria prefers special EU partnership for Turkey

25.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 07:22 pm

Who cares EU? After 43 years of waiting, we can one more 43 years, no problem {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

sorry it should be 53 years



Edited (5/4/2011) by armegon



Thread: Erdoğan´s police escort attacked; one dead, two injured

26.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 07:14 pm

But I am dubious about the aim of the attack especially before the elections...



Thread: Intermediate Language Exam - Please Help 01

27.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 07:08 pm

Tebrikler Mrs Bee... Ufacık bir katkımız olduysa, ne mutlu !

Quoting MrsBee

 

 

Thank you for asking!

I was about to write and thank you again: si++, tunci, armegon and turkishmaster for your kind help. It was very useful.

I got 93 points, I am very happy and tired...

I am going to keep on learning Turkish, so see you soon guys.

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Erdoğan´s police escort attacked; one dead, two injured

28.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 07:07 pm

If PKK can attack from the very north like Ilgaz and can hide there, possibly indicates how would be the situation till elections...



Edited (5/4/2011) by armegon



Thread: Alex, Başbakan´dan Türk vatandaşlığı istedi

29.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 07:02 pm

He has been in TR for about 7 years, his daughter is receiving education in Turkish schools and speaks Turkish fluently, his other daughters were all born in TR, he is a model for other players with his family life, and the most important thing is with his desire, he wanted to be a Turkish citizen...



Thread: New Internet regulation to put Turkey among top censoring countries

30.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2011 Wed 06:59 pm

Nothing at the moment, that train was a missed a time ago...

Quoting MrsBee

What can we do?

 

 

 



Thread: Need Some Help 03

31.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2011 Mon 04:56 pm

14-kutladığımı---Can you tell your spouse that I celebrate her/hish birthday?

17-gerektiğini

20-alıp almamakta

25-gerekli olup olmadığını

31-yemek yemek isteyip istemediğimi



Thread: Kim Kardashian “Upset” Over Turkish Cosmopolitan Cover

32.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2011 Wed 02:23 am

After a little search, I have found out that herself and her mother are also playboy magazine celebrity. Such a lovely family , in Turkish we say "anasına bak kızını al." {#emotions_dlg.lol}

Quoting Elisabeth

She comes from a very wealthy family and gained much of her fame from making a sex tape.  I guess you can call her a savy business woman if you like but principled?  

 

 

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Thread: A READING FOR OUR WEDDING

33.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2011 Wed 02:01 am

Here is my try; (Actually a hard text, it sounds weird to me when translated into Turkish, I hope someone better than me gives the real feeling by translating.   

 


Quoting elbarbed
 

My bridesmaid will read this at my wedding ceremony, but i would like a turkish translation to give to my turkish relatives. 

 

Marriage is a commitment to life, to the best that two people can find and bring out in each other.  

Evlilik hayata dair bir vaattir, en iyi tabirle iki insanın birbirini bulup bunu duyurabilmesidir. 

It offers opportunities for sharing and growth that no other human relationship can equal; a joining that is promised for a lifetime.

Diğer insani ilişkilerden farklı olarak, paylaşım ve beraber yaşlanma olanakları sunar; hayat boyu söz verilmiş bir birleşim.

Within the circle of its love, marriage encompasses all of life´s most important relationships.

Aşk çerçevesinde, evlilik bütün hayatın en önemli ilişkilerini kuşatır.

A wife and a husband are each other´s best friend, confidant, lover, teacher, listener, and critic.

Karı ve koca birbirlerinin en iyi arkadaşı, sırdaşı, sevgilisi, öğretmeni, dinleyicisi ve eleştirmenidir.

There may come times when one partner is heartbroken or ailing, and the love of the other may resemble the tender caring of a parent for a child. Marriage deepens and enriches every facet of life.

Zaman gelir eşlerden birinin kalbi kıralabilir veya rahatsız olabilir ve diğer eşin sevgisi bir çocuğa gösterilen şefkate benzeyebilir. Evlilik hayatın bütün yönlerini zenginleştirir ve derinleştirir.

Happiness is fuller; memories are fresher; commitment is stronger; even anger is felt more strongly, and passes away more quickly.

Mutluluk daha doyurucu;anılar daha taze;bağlılık daha sağlam; hatta öfke daha güçlü hissedilir ve daha çabuk geçer.

Marriage understands and forgives the mistakes life is unable to avoid. It encourages and nurtures new life, new experiences, and new ways of expressing love through the seasons of life.

Evlilik hayatın savuşturamadığı hataları anlar ve affeder. Yeni bir hayat, yeni deneyimler ve sevgiyi hayatın mevsimleri yoluyla ifade edebilmenin yeni yolları için cesaretlendirir ve yetiştirir.

When two people pledge to love and care for each other in marriage, they create a spirit unique to themselves, which binds them closer than any spoken or written words. Marriage is a promise, a potential, made in the hearts of two people who love, which takes a lifetime to fulfill.

İki yetişkin evlilikte birbirlerini sevmeye ve kollamaya ant içtiklerinde, yazılmış kelimelerden ve söylenmiş sözlerden daha çok birbirlerine bağlayan kendilerine özgü bir ruh yaratırlar. Evlilik bir vaattir, bir potansiyel, birbirlerini seven iki insanın kalbinde ortaya çıkan ve bütün hayat boyu yerine getirilen. 

 

 

 



Edited (4/27/2011) by armegon



Thread: e to t

34.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2011 Wed 01:18 am

"Korkuyor musun?" is correct...

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Thread: one word

35.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2011 Wed 01:16 am

I think it is "sıkıyorsun" which means "you bore me or I am bored because of you or similar"



Thread: News reporter and body building champ

36.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2011 Sat 01:41 am

Yeah sure!



Thread: Hangi şehir ne okuyor?

37.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2011 Sat 01:39 am

Good.

Quoting vineyards

I feel cold.

 

 



Thread: Hangi şehir ne okuyor?

38.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2011 Fri 08:48 pm

Well actually I was asking you, how you feel, not the opinion of others or not for hearing your intellectuel criticizing of young people...

Quoting vineyards

 

 

Well, most young people carry a labeling machine in their skulls. Since it is a lot easier to think using icons, they tag these labels on people so that they can judge them without having to learn about them first. So, in those circles I will probably pass for a patriotic person.

 

 



Thread: Hangi şehir ne okuyor?

39.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2011 Fri 02:27 pm

Are you not?

Quoting vineyards

Ironically, many people here consider me as a patriotic Turk.

 

 

 

 

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Thread: English Translations of Turkish clyches

40.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2011 Fri 02:23 pm

Maybe tried to be said "çay demle" in Turkish

Quoting barba_mama

what´s a tea sheep gosh?

 

 



Thread: English Translations of Turkish clyches

41.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2011 Fri 02:22 pm

Life is a day room is today {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

Google translate??



Thread: English Translations of Turkish clyches

42.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2011 Fri 02:18 pm

Thanks si++

I forgot to mention; source includes lots of obscene statements and heavy slangs...

Quoting si++

 

 

Ali Poyrazoğlu asks this kind of questions to his guests in his program at HaberTürk.

 

 

 



Thread: English Translations of Turkish clyches

43.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2011 Thu 05:54 pm

http://www.eksisozluk.com/show.asp?t=beylik+ve+ kli%C5%9Fele%C5%9Fmi%C5%9F+laflar%C4%B1n+ingilizceleri  

 

"I asked yellow flower, do you have mother father" 

This one cracked me up {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: Alex, Başbakan´dan Türk vatandaşlığı istedi

44.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2011 Thu 05:50 pm

Definitely, scalpel is in the right path with his great mistake...



Thread: I´m having trouble with this

45.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2011 Tue 01:17 am

Abla, I began to think you are preparing for YGS , after maths then now Turkish grammar. Be informed that YGS exams from now on crypted, you just need to solve cypher, so relax!{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 



Thread: English to Turkish

46.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2011 Tue 01:12 am

 

Quoting FlashDude

I need this translated into Turkish,but its a bit too advanced for me for now.Any help would be appreciated.

 

"We would like to inform you that due to the end of our projects,
and since we are now in the process of handing over our work,
you will need when taking the annual leave, not to return back to the country"

Hepinizi bilgilendirmek isterim ki, projemizin sonuna gelmiş ve şu anda işlerimiz devretme aşamasında olduğumuzdan, yıllık izinlerinize çıktığınızda ülkeye dönmemeniz gerekecektir.

 

 



Thread: Wedding Vow in Turkish

47.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2011 Tue 01:03 am

 

Quoting jacatalay

Hi Everyone, my fiance (a Turkish) and I (a Chinese) will get married in Hong Kong soon.  We have to give our wedding vow in our official language, i.e. Cantonese.  However, I would like to surprise him and our guests from Turkey by giving an additional vow in Turkish. Could you help me translating the following into Turkish? Or any other suggestions on the vow would be most appreciated.  Many thanks!

"xxx and I found each other from 8000km away, we went through all difficulties and proved our true love to everybody.  Thanks God for giving me a best friend, a soul mate and a lifetime companion. Today, with the presence of our families and friends, I, (Name), take you, (Name), to be my husband. I promise to love you and honor you in the rest of my life.  I pledge, in honesty and sincerity, to be for you an obedient and faithful wife." 

My try;

Ben ve xxx aramızda 8000km mesafe olmasına rağmen birbirimizi bulduk, bütün zorlukları aştık ve içten aşkımızı herkese kanıtladık. Allah´a şükürler olsun ki, bana çok iyi bir dost, hayat arkadaşı ve ruh eşi bahşetti. Bugün, arkadaşlarımızın ve ailelerimizin huzurunda, ben(name) seni kocam olarak kabul ediyorum. Hayatımın geri kalanında seni sevip onurlandıracağıma söz veriyorum. Bütün içtenliğimle ve dürüstlüğümle ant içerim ki, sana sadık ve vefalı bir eş olacağım.

 

I hope this helps. This should be said by you, for the groom this needs to be revised.  And I do not know any marriage vows in Turkish sorry maybe other members can help you.  By the way congrats both of you and best of the luck in your new life.

Lastly I think your thread should be in translation forum.

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Thread: American professor says criticism against Gülen ideological

48.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2011 Sun 12:00 am

Here you go, some articles in English that I found by googling(mostly about Gulen’s charter schools in US though);

http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/p/gulen-school-characteristics.html

“Explain what you must, but never give away all of your secrets. Those who freely publicize the secrets of their hearts drag themselves and their nation toward an inevitable downfall.”

http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2009/04/fethullah-gulen-infiltrating-us-through.html

The FGC emerged in Turkey in the 1970’s. According to the Jane’s Islamic Affairs Analyst piece, Gulen stated that “in order to reach the ideal Muslim society ´every method and path is acceptable, [including] lying to people.’” This public acknowledgement of taqiyya (employing deception to advance Islam) is highly pertinent to Gulen’s activities here in the United States.

......................................................................................................................

What makes Gulen particularly dangerous is his strategic and tactical means to achieving this goal. He oversees a worldwide network of businesses, schools, foundations and media outlets, with an estimated budget of 25 billion dollars. Here’s what Gulen had to say in a sermon in 1999 aired on Turkish television:

You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here.

Simply put, he is brilliantly and patiently employing taqiyya on a global scale, because this strategic approach is not confined to Turkey.

http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1336/education-or-indoctrination

"These schools are like shop windows. Recruitment and Islamization activities are carried out through night classes ... Children whom we educated in Turkey are now in the highest positions. There are governors, judges, military officers. There are ministers in the government. They consult Gülen before doing anything."

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/06/turkish-intel-chief-exposes-cia-operations-via-islamic-group-in-central-asia/

In his memoir Gundes claims that Fethullah Gulen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement “sheltered 130 CIA agents” at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone.



Thread: A Far East Arrangement for a Turkish Classical Music by Santuri Etem Bey

49.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Apr 2011 Sat 01:08 am

I watched same group´s video on youtube before, performing again the same music of movie Tosun Paşa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emmc2c7lo-k



Thread: American Girls are the Worst!

50.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 08:15 pm

Newquaker you used the word "ethnically" without a proof which is what I oppessed to, that is all...



Thread: American Girls are the Worst!

51.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 07:24 pm

I agree this was not the point, I just corrected you since you used the claim that Atatürk was ethnically Albanian to prove your case. 

Quoting newquaker

 

 

This is really not the point. Who cares what ethnicity he was, as long as he felt Turkish. Everyone (especially in that region) is mixed that people only cared about your religion and the language you were speaking. To me, Mehmet Akif was more Turk than most people although he was technically Albanian. The same way, my grandparents were technically Macedonian, but who cares? I was born in Turkey and grew with Turkish culture and that´s what matters.

 

 



Thread: American professor says criticism against Gülen ideological

52.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 07:19 pm

Dear Barba,

Firstly I totally agree with what Burak said. Let me tell you shortly, this movement is domineering the young brains with their fallacious ideology and lies starting from primary school till these young brains have a voice in their life, and when they have a good job particularly in important positions, then they use them for their aim simply which is why Burak called him a social terrorist I think. They love the successful students and fuss over them especially by the way. I do not want to go in details, it is a huge subject, if you want to learn more about it, go and make your research. For instance you can start from your country; why did the Netherlands which claimed to be known as a country of pluralism and tolerance suddenly opt to cut the fundings of Gülen schools? Or why did Russia outlaw his schools for example? Maybe they did think these schools are a threat to their social order?? 

Quoting barba_mama

This still doesn´t enlighten me on why you think so. I know that a lot of people think Gülen is dangerous, but nobody has ever really explained to me why. What did he say that makes people think he is a danger to the state?

 

 



Thread: American professor says criticism against Gülen ideological

53.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 03:11 pm

As a one who knows closely this Gülen´s movement, I can say this is the most devious movement in the history of Republic, anything licit to them to reach their aim...



Thread: American Girls are the Worst!

54.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 03:08 pm

This is just a herasay, no clear proof of this claim. On the other hand the ancestor´s of his mother dates vack to yörük´s of Karaman which she clearly emphasized that she was proud of. Her ancestors were first migrated to town of Vodina together with many Türkmens, later 130 years before her birth, family moved to Thessalonica. 

Quoting newquaker

ATATURK was ethnically Albanian

 

 



Thread: Intermediate Exercise - Please correct me

55.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2011 Tue 05:27 pm

 

Quoting MrsBee


Takım arkadaşlarının kaynaştırılması için düzenlenen partide iki kişi dövüştü.

In the sentence "kaynaşmak" means to "become friends, socialize, know eacother better".

 



Thread: Intermediate Exercise - Please correct me

56.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2011 Tue 05:25 pm

Sentence is like "leaders have come together to start a Global Crisis", that is why I said weird.

Quoting MrsBee

 

 

 Maybe they didn´t have anything better to do?! {#emotions_dlg.confused} 

 

 



Thread: Intermediate Exercise - Please correct me

57.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2011 Tue 05:17 pm

By the way question#19 is also weird, Why do G-20 leaders need to agree on Global Crisis?



Thread: Intermediate Exercise - Please correct me

58.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2011 Tue 05:06 pm

Here is quick corrections for your solutions. Hope it helps, hope some can correct me too

Quoting MrsBee

Solutions:

  1. Babaannem gençken hep öğretmen olup çalışmayı istemiş, ama ne yazık ki babası onu okutmadı.--- OK but "babası onu okutmamış" sounds better
  2. Kediler okşanmayı çok sever.---OK
  3. Anne ve babaları tarafından dövülen ve kandırılan çocuklar güvensiz olurlar.---OK
  4. Selin her gün aynanın karşısında geçer ve saatlerce taranır.---OK
  5. Kaybolan cüzdanım bulundu, ama içindeki para çalınmış.---OK
  6. Televizyon programlarının, çocukları çok etkilediği düşünülürse dikkatle hazırlanması gerekir. (What does this sentence mean?)
  7. Hakan her şeye hemen sinirlenen bir çocuktur.---OK
  8. Annem temizlikçi kadına bütün pencereleri sildirdi.---OK
  9. Televizyon tamirci tarafından tamir edildi.---OK
  10. Bakanlar Kurulu toplantısında ülkenin ekonomik durumu tartışıldı.---OK
  11. Yeşim’e yeni bir bilgisayar alındı.---OK
  12. Paraları düşüncesizce harcayan, yiyecekler atan, muhtaç insanlar hiç hatırlanmaz.---Sentence is not meaningful, question can be flawed.
  13. Ortaklar anlaşmayı imzaladıktan sonra el sıkıştılar.---OK
  14. Ana caddenin ortasında arabalar çarpışıldı/çarpıştı.
  15. Yangın alarmını duyan herkes kaçışmaya başladı.---OK
  16. İtip kakmadan yavaş yavaş binayı terk edin.---OK
  17. Cenaze töreninde kendimizi daha fazla tutamadık ve ağladık or ağlamaya başladık.---OK
  18. Uzun zamandır görüşemedik bunun için uzun uzun kucaklaşarak öpüşüyorduk or kucaklaşıp öpüştük.---OK 
  19. G-20 liderleri küresel kriz için anlaşırlar/anlaştılar.
  20.  Üniversiteden en yakın arkadaşımla her görüşmemizde birbirimizle şakalaşarak/şakalaşmaya bayılırız.
  21. Futbolcular sahada hesaplaştılar.---OK
  22. Takım arkadaşlarının kaynatılması/kaynaştırılması için düzenlenen partide iki kişi dövüştü. (What does this sentence mean?)
  23.  Birbirimizi çok iyi tanıdığımız için bakışmadan/bakışarak anlaşırız.
  24.  Rüzgardan masadaki bütün kağıtlar uçuştu.---OK
  25. Metro girişinin önünde buluşacaktık ama sen gelmedin.---OK

 

 

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Thread: American Girls are the Worst!

59.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2011 Sun 09:40 am

Interesting thread , hmm then marry a european girl especially a slavic origin like our great Sultans did in the past {#emotions_dlg.razz} if you plan to marry a girl other than Turk. I guess you do not have a necessity to get married with an American.



Thread: Absurd news from the Globe

60.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2011 Sat 12:13 pm

I cannot see the picture as well, says it is a blocked page...



Thread: New legislation to prevent hooliganism

61.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2011 Sat 12:02 pm

Ex one was also good, the only problem was to put them into practise. Let´s see if they can put these into practise, for instance I wonder how they will prevent fans to take alcohol...



Edited (4/2/2011) by armegon



Thread: Spring has come

62.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2011 Sat 11:34 am

Ne güzel müjdelemişsin {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: What are you listening now?

63.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2011 Mon 11:51 am

This one from my region

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHKoYjVdktU



Thread: Iconic Turkish singer Tatlıses shot, fighting for life

64.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2011 Mon 11:38 am

Highly possible...

Quoting Daydreamer

Armegon - are you saying it might have been a mafia assassination?

 

 



Thread: Volley news

65.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2011 Mon 11:37 am

Congrats to VGSTT, Im sorry for FB, they also deserved

Quoting si++

20.03.2011
VakıfGüneşTTelekom completes Turkish fairy tale in Istanbul
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Thread: What are you listening now?

66.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2011 Mon 11:35 am

Impressive style from a Grek{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEe9EXhPaz4



Thread: Was Serbia yet another victim?

67.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2011 Mon 11:30 am

How will we know what you know or you dont know? I think, other than Bosnian war in near past, the period between 1877-78 Ottoman Russian war and till 1941 should be taken into account well...

Quoting vineyards

 just tell us about the pieces of truth that have never got through to us.

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from the Globe

68.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Mar 2011 Sun 12:53 am

So you think it is similar to pick a team, how clever!!

Quoting barba_mama

 Si is irritating me so much with this issue, that I actually am starting to pick the Armenian side, just out of irritation.

 

 



Edited (3/20/2011) by armegon



Thread: Lybia and the no-fly zone

69.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Mar 2011 Sun 12:38 am

I also want to know what makes Israel so special that they did not deserve intervention when they were bombing civilians in Palestine and Lebonan. The double standards were always there. I hope these freedom fighters from US and their companions do not support Libyans as they did support Iraqians and Afghanis...

Quoting scalpel

I want to know what makes Libya so special that they deserve intervention and other countries don´t? Bahrain is also bloody, when will they intervene there? Isn´t that a double standard?

 

 

 

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Thread: Lybia and the no-fly zone

70.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Mar 2011 Thu 03:04 pm

Irrelevant, unfounded pointless comment, just for provoking I guess...

Quoting Daydreamer

Were there a few Kurds, Turkey wouldn´t mind marching into a foreign country´s territory. Libyans (?) are not as interesting apparently...or maybe it has something to do with oil?

 

 



Thread: Tech talk

71.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Mar 2011 Thu 03:02 pm

I got used to it, it is easy to use and also fast...

Quoting alameda

 

 

Why do you prefer Chrome?

 

 



Thread: Iconic Turkish singer Tatlıses shot, fighting for life

72.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Mar 2011 Thu 02:03 am

He is a mafia leader as well, in the end they choke eachother...



Thread: Tech talk

73.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Mar 2011 Thu 01:57 am

I have been trying IE9 64 bit for two days, it is quite fine but still I prefer chrome...



Edited (3/17/2011) by armegon [I sent the post with ie9 but it did not appear :), chrome is better...]



Thread: ´Bayan Yanı´ puts a female face on Turkish humor magazines

74.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2011 Sat 02:40 pm

One of them is enginar as can be realized from the cover of Leman...

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Thread: Missing persons at tc...

75.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Mar 2011 Thu 04:47 pm

me here

Quoting si++

oeince

armegon

 

 



Thread: Could you help me with these?

76.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Mar 2011 Thu 04:45 pm

You forgot 8 Wink

Quoting tunci

 

 

 

----             As 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 are one digit natural numbers

5x+2            "0" is natural number but we cant put "0" ..5.0+2 = would be undefinable.

5.1+2          BUT we can take only one of them 5.1+2 = 7  cos this way this fraction can

5.2+2          be simplificated. 7          7

5.3+2                               ---- =   ---- = 1    so the answer is Only one natural number

5.4+2                              5.1+2      7             "X" can take.

 



Thread: One sentence E-T

77.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2011 Thu 01:15 am

Since I am tall;

1- Uzun boylu olduğumdan

2- Uzun boylu olduğumdan dolayı

3- Uzun boylu olduğum için

 

"Uzun boylu olduğum yüzünden"  is not a proper expression, sounds bad...



Thread: Arts and Culture news from Turkie

78.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Feb 2011 Tue 01:16 pm

Ok si++, please check the bolded parts, does not reflect the situation, and also many of them differs from location to location. 

Quoting si++

Turkish woman recounts difficult life in Saudi Arabia with book

 

Zekiye Yüksel came back to Turkey after she lived nearly four years in Saudi Arabia. AFP photo


Zekiye Yüksel came back to Turkey after she lived nearly four years in Saudi Arabia. AFP photo

The difficulties of living as a woman in Saudi Arabia are the subject of a new book by Turk Zekiye Yüksel, who lived in the country for three-and-a-half years.

You can never walk alone. You should either have your husband, father or brother with you. During the three-and-a-half years I stayed there, I couldn’t go out to buy bread even once, for instance. This is very important because it hurt me. That means you have no bread at home and cannot go out to buy it. I even had to order my tweezers through the driver,” she said.

Yüksel is the author of “Being a Woman in a Sharia Country,” which recounts her time in the austere kingdom as a literature teacher for Turkish children whose parents had moved to Saudi Arabia for work opportunities.

Most of the children were from the Mediterranean province of Hatay, which has a high Arabic-speaking population.

“My students were born and raised there. They had never gone to the theater. The Turkish school was like oxygen for them. They couldn’t go out, but the curriculum of the Republic of Turkey was used by the school,” said Yüksel.

Since the families heard about Turkish girls who married rich Saudi men but were unhappy, they generally sent their daughters back home to Turkey after graduation, Yüksel said.

“I lived in Riyadh and just craved to drive a car, go to a supermarket, take a commuter bus from one city to another and walk in the street. I learned how valuable life in the Republic of Turkey is. I walked 40 minutes every day in the school’s yard, as though I was pacing back and forth in a prison yard,” she said.

Arab women communicate nonverbally through their eyes and feet. These are the only body parts visible to everyone. So, women give importance to their eyes and feet. Since the weather is always hot, they wear shoes and sandals that are unimaginably attractive,” Yüksel said.

Saudi houses are surrounded by high walls like castles from the Middle Ages---not all of them, there are thousands of modern compunds with fitness centers, swimming pools etc, said Yüksel. “When you open the windows at your house, you face huge walls. Having a balcony is banned, in order to keep women inside.”---again not all of them

Yüksek said women were banned from driving in Saudi Arabia and added that women could not go anywhere alone because there were no commuter buses either.

“In Turkey, even if women are pious, they drink tea with neighbors and go to the village market. The wife of the religion instructor became ill in Riyadh because she did not have a social life. Since my friend was coming home tired, he couldn’t take his wife out,” he said.

Polygamy is widespread in Saudi Arabia, according to Yüksel. “I realized this because three or four women were walking behind a man in the street or at a park after they left luxurious villas.”

The muezzin, or the person who calls the faithful to prayer at the mosques, would make the call with an unattractive tone of voice in order to prevent women from falling in love with the voice, said Yüksel.

“After I returned to Turkey, I started to listen to the adhan [call to the prayer] admiringly,” she said.

 

Source: here

 

 



Thread: Arts and Culture news from Turkie

79.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Feb 2011 Tue 12:08 pm

According to summary I can say, book includes mostly exaggeration, not reflecting the real situation in KSA...

Quoting si++

Turkish woman recounts difficult life in Saudi Arabia with book



 

 



Thread: translation exercise e - t

80.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 01:18 am

 

Quoting aiça

Dear all, I have been struggling with this translation exercise... getting more and more confused... Could someone please check my attempt and point out my mistakes? I would be really grateful.

 

1. When I was ill, I didn´t go to work for seven weeks.

Hastayken yedi hafta işe gitmedim. OK

2. While I was waiting for the bus, it suddenly started to rain.

Ben otobüse/otobüs beklerken birdenbire yağmur yağmaya başladı. 

3. Shall we visit Mustafa once while my mother is staying with us?

Annemin bizimle kalaırken Mustafa´yı ziyaret edelim mi?

4. When Tahsin saw Necati he became very happy.

Tahsin, Necati´yi görünce mutlu oldu. OK

5. When I come home and see the work I become unhappy.

Eve gidip/gelip işi gördüğümde keyifsiz olurum.

6. As no letter from my parents arrived today aswell, I will call them this evening.

Anne babamdan bugün de mektup gelmediği için, bu akşam onlara telefon ederim/edeceğim.

7. I only see your black bag. Where is the brown one?

Sadece siyah çantanı görüyorum. Kahverengisini nerede?

8. Is this the suitcase Ülkü has been looking for?

Ülkü´nün aradiği bavul bu mu? OK

9. Do you now the man Mehmet has been talking to just before?

Mehmet´in az önce konuştuğu adamı biliyor musunuz? OK

 

 



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Thread: Interesting news from Turkie

81.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 01:10 am

 

Quoting alameda

From what I have been able to learn, it seems much of the downfall of the Ottoman Empire took place as result of the going on in the Harem. Hürrem, aka Roxelana was a clever manipulative lady who became a very powerful force. She considered herself Polish, BTW...hmmm....very interesting.

The whole sucession thing with the Sultans being the sons of captured slave women seems very strange to me. Not very efficient either. What kind of real loyalty can one expect from one who was captured against her will and forced?

The book The Harem by N. M. Penzer covers a lot of material on the Topkapi Harem. It was written 25 years after the end of the harem and has contemperanious interviews.

One thing I found interesting in researching the politics of the Ottoman Empire and the Harem, was the power and influence of the Chief head Eunuch, (Kızlar Ağsi) who was always black.

 

 

 

So far I know Anastassia Lisowska aka Roxalane or Hürrem was of Slavic origin, Ukranian, but at that time this region was under the control of Lehs, maybe that is why she considered herself Polish.  And right, she was very clever and manipulative even she caused Süleyman to kill his own and first son Mustafa who was very much loved by public and the soldiers. Mustafa was the most powerful nominee of being the next Sultan. And the period of Süleyman gave a start to downfall of Ottomans. I always likened the story of Roxalane to England´s Anne Boleyn by the way because Sultans were forbid to legally marry to the girls who were captured but as far as I know Süleyman broke this rule. Anyway It seems Süleyman was not that magnificent



Thread: Volley news

82.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Dec 2010 Wed 09:01 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Fenerbahçe SK Women´s volleyball team has won the FIVB Women’s Volleyball Club World Championship.

 

Source: here

 

 

 

Tebrikler kızlar !! I watched the final match yesterday , Kasia was outstanding . She was honored as MVP and Eda selected as best server in the ceremony...

Yesterday fans were shouting in stadium in football match against Buca "Armanın gururu sarı melekler"...

 



Thread: A quiz (for learners)

83.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2010 Sat 01:38 am

Below one is better i guess

"Annesinin hastalığının beşinci gününün gecesi, Hasan rüyasında kendisini evinin bahçesinde otururken görür. Çok sevdiği tavşanları da her zamanki gibi bahçesindeki kafestedir, ancak birdenbire kafesin kapısı açılır ve tavşanlar koşarak Hasan´ın yanına gelir, hep bir ağızdan "Hasan bizi sat da annen kurtulsun" derler... "



Thread: A quiz (for learners)

84.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2010 Sat 01:31 am

Manner of telling does not sound good for a story {#emotions_dlg.doh}



Thread: E o T

85.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2010 Sat 01:22 am

"Bu benim kızım, adı Sara ve şu anda üç yaşında"  sounds better in my opinion.

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Thread: short sentence please

86.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Dec 2010 Mon 12:03 am

It is Arabic , in Turkish we prefer "yol" mostly, "tarikat" is similar too, like nefer(adam)-neferat(adamlar), zerze(sebze)-zerzevat(sebzeler)

Quoting Sonbahar

Quote:mltm

What does tarik mean ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 

I found it hereSmile

way i. yol, tarik; yön, yan, taraf, cihet; yer; mesafe; usul, tarz; husus; adet, itiyat, huy; hal, durum, halet; gidiş, ilerleme, ileri gitme; çare, vasıta; huk.

http://www.turkishdictionary.net/?word=way


 

 



Edited (12/6/2010) by armegon



Thread: E to T

87.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2010 Sat 11:56 pm

 

Quoting MrsBee

 

 

Dear armegon!

Burak kesinlikle gidemeyecek, çünkü çok işi var. Burak çalışkan biri insan, ailesini çok seviyor, onlarun için çok para kazanmak istiyor.  

Ama Ayşe herhalde gidebilir. Ayşe güzel, ama tembel bir kız. Sabahlarıeyin uzun zaman çok/uzun süre süslenir, mini eteğini giyer, taksiyle işe gider. Ama iş yerinde hiçbir şey yapmaz, sadece mini eteğiylende gezer.

Müdür Ayşe´yi çok seviyor, bütün gün ona baka baka çalışıyor. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I just made this up, just for sheer fun and some practice. I am not too good at "geniş zaman" (yet!), please correct my mistakes!

PS: You can change the names or add more characters!

 

 



Edited (12/5/2010) by armegon

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Thread: T to E please, my try thank you :)

88.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2010 Sat 11:49 pm

 

Quoting Sonbahar

Thank you Armegon! güzel olmuşSmile

 

Does any of you have an idea about how to translate the following into turkish please? I am trying to get used to complicate tenses, but it does not work right with me{#emotions_dlg.sad}

"I wouldn´t have told you... if only I wasn´t obliged"

(I hope the english sentence is correct {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile})

Thank you in advance!

 

Sounds a little weird in Turkish when translated;

"Sana söylememiş olurdum... keşke mecbur kalmasaydım."

by the way in my previous post,  I translated "should have not told"-->"söylememiş olmam lazımdı". "I would not have told"-->"söylememiş olurdum". Sorry

 

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Thread: T to E please, my try thank you :)

89.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2010 Sat 11:30 pm

 

Quoting deli

 

 

 söylemeyecektim= I wasn`t going to tell

söylemezdim= I wouldn`t tell

but I wouldn`t  have told fikrim yok

"wouldnt have told---söylememiş olmalıydım/olmam lazımdı" maybe{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

 

 



Thread: T to E please, my try thank you :)

90.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2010 Sat 11:26 pm

 

Quoting Sonbahar

 

"Söylemeyecektim sana, ama dayanamam artık"

 

 

I would translate as "I was not going to tell you, but I cannot stand anymore"



Thread: E to T

91.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2010 Sat 10:34 pm

"de-da"s in Turkish that corresponds to "too" commonly in English, always written as "de-da" and seperate, the rule "sert sessizlerin benzeşmesi" does not apply to "de-da"s that means "too" or "as well" in English. Wink

Örnek;

Toplantıdan sonra yemek de olacak.

Burak da gelecek mi?

 

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Thread: (Mostly) Imperative mood exercises volume 3 (from a learner)

92.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2010 Tue 11:21 am

My suggestion is; after posting exercises, it will be better if you wait 2-3 days to post answers, during this period TLC learners can do the exercises and post here, and after the answers posted they can check if it is false or true. Wink

Quoting MrsBee

I got a feedback earlier that I shouldn´t post the answers below the exercises.

My question is:

Do you agree or disagree?

 

 



Thread: Wikileaks website attacked

93.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2010 Tue 11:11 am

 

Quoting si++

 

 

If you go to the following page:

http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/

 

You see a list of embacies and consulates around the world. Embacy Ankara is the origin the most cables are sent from.

 

Dangerous for TR then , right??

 



Thread: Wikileaks website attacked

94.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Nov 2010 Tue 12:17 am

Wikileaks announces that lots of leaked classified documents(actually seems more like gossip of diplomats) of US will be shared on net and there will be only web attacks. Not so convincing really...

If something like that happen, no one would be aware of this but Wikileaks have been announcing this for days. In my opinion these documents only aim to cause trouble in some countries which are in the target of US, nothing more. It seems a good mixture of falsehood and truth and the aim can be forseen... 



Thread: translation into english please

95.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 01:52 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

 

 

You cannot make yourself be loved to someone by force(zorla), you cannot say ´trust me´ to them. If he/she doesn´t feel it, you can only say one thing: ´Whatever you say´ or "as you like" or "it is up to you"

 

 

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Thread: English to Turkish: A couple of phrases

96.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Nov 2010 Wed 04:40 pm

my try;

Quoting MrsBee

How do you say?

 

1. Have a nice flight.

    İyi uçuşlar.

2. Travel safe.

    İyi yolculuklar. Allah kaza bela vermesin.

3. Have a good holiday!

    İyi tatiller.

4. Please call us when you get there.

    Lütfen oraya vardığında bizi ara.

5. Take good care of yourself.

    Kendine dikkat et.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

 



Thread: Is nationalism rising in England?

97.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Nov 2010 Wed 03:35 am

 

Quoting stumpy

But people of other etnic or religious backround who imigrated to a "judeo-christian" country request to have prayer rooms in schools and us judeo-christians cannot have our crissefixes displayed.  Shi´ites can wear their kirpans to school, jews can wear their yamikas and their cross of david but we cannot say our lords prayer without offending non christians.  A veiled woman can request to have a female to give her the drivers exams to have her drivers permit.  They can ask for time off from work to go to prayer but I have to work on sundays when it is my prayer day, if their time for prayer is refused by the employer they cry out discrimination, racism and biggotry.  The same goes if the shi´ite to remove his kirpan to go to school and the same is said.  But us christians have to remove all of our religiouse icons.

 

 

 

I think this is exactly what Merkel tried to imply, she was right on what she said, the European people disturbed by the growing number of minorities, mostly muslims of course, because now this has seen as a great threat to European identity and western values, even can be feeled from the posts here. Minorities in Europe has become more religous, radical or racist than their own country, usually live in closed communities and in my opinion europeans should first answer why this has become like that to themselves. Earlier again Merkel declared multiculturalism collapsed in Europe, brainy ex-socialist newer capitalist woman for sure .  By the way while I was reading the post I quoted, was thinking what the kirpan is Shi´ites wearing, just checked it was not related to Shi´ites but Sikhs of India. {#emotions_dlg.lol}



Thread: E-T wedding wishes can someone pls be so kind as to translate. Many thanks

98.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 01:16 pm

My try;

İkinizi de tebrik ederim! Sizin için dileklerim:

Beraber yaşamaya başladığınız hayat uzun ve sevgi dolu olsun. Zor günlerinizde birbirnize desteğiniz daim olsun. Birbirinize saygı ve iltifatınız bol olsun. İyi ve kötü anlarınız boyunca birbirinize anlayışınız olsun. Yıllar geçtikçe sevginiz yalnız artmasın daha da yoğunlaşsın. Gözyaşlarından çok kahkahalar olsun hayatınızda. Tanrı size sağlık, güç, anlayış ve sevgi bahşetsin.

 

p.s.:Not all a literal translation but it still sounded phony when translated in Turkish, maybe you should better try Turkish wedding wishes, I guess lots of them can be found on this site...

Quoting Nile69

Congratiolations to both of you! I wish the following for you guys:

May the start of your life together be a long and loving one. I wish for you both to be each others rock in times of stormy weather. May you respect and only compliment each other. May you see each other throught the best and worst times. May your love not only grow but become intense as the years go on. May there only be more laughter then tears and may you guys be blessed with health, strength, understanding and love.

 

 

 



Thread: Is nationalism rising in England?

99.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 11:12 am

 

Quoting christine

If they do not like what happens in England they are free to catch the first plane to Afganistan , but they would  not do that because they would not get any benifits there and would not have the same freedom that they have here in  England.

 They should be thanking all our brave soldiers that gave their lives to give us all the freedom we have now, i do.

 

 

 

 

Below is an old photo from Afghanistan, Afghanistan became independent in1919, many reforms performed by Afghani leaders till 70´s, after then surprisingly by the support of west, the hypocrite radicals became power, because they could be used as a slave much better than others to achieve their aims against Soviet Russia, and in the end west invaded Afghanistan by the help of these hypocrites again. Blimey!! such a good plan, ehh?? West loves all slave hypocrites.  So if they do not exist, you would not have the same freedom and money, who knows? Perhaps you should be thanking those bearded guys... {#emotions_dlg.whistle}



Thread: Is nationalism rising in England?

100.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Nov 2010 Sat 01:11 am

Lets realign your sentence like below;

"The people whom call a hero of a nation "tyrant", probably do not know the significance of of that hero to his people."

 

Hypocrisy is such a hard craft to hide, but only not realized by its owner...Wink What would you say?

Quoting stumpy

The people who burned the poppy probably do not know the significance of the poppy.

 

 

 



Edited (11/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: Realistic stories of homesick Dutch living in Turkey

101.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2010 Thu 06:53 pm

It is all about money...



Thread: What absolutely disgusted you today.....

102.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Nov 2010 Mon 11:40 pm

 

Quoting busyb

Why is it though, girls who sleep around are known as "sluts/whores" where as with guys it seems to boost there egos and makes them more of a "man"? It´s something I´ve never quite understood. In my eyes, they are both as bad as each other, after all, it takes two to tango

 

Here is a provocative answer to your question, but do not attack me, just found it while surfing...{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}



Thread: Please, report problems or questions to moderators/admins

103.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Nov 2010 Mon 11:31 pm

Dear Mods & Admins,

I wanted to post in the thread "Absurd news from Turkie" but realized it is locked because of personal insults. Instead of locking the thread, most certainly you can edit the insulting posts or you can delete them. Can´t you?



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

104.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2010 Sat 05:53 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Armegon - somehow you managed not to refer to any of the points I made. can you please explain the difference between brainwashing and learning? Or tyrant vs democratic leader?

Don´t you really see the difference between teaching children that Ataturk smoked and telling them they have to love him? Do you think it´s either love madly or hate? Why not go for a balanced non-worshipping but rather objective education? Children in Turkey are taught to love Ataturk before they know who it is - that´s not brainwashing, right? But a foreigner, who has never been told a singe thing about Ataturk in her school, is brainwashed when she suggest a ridiculous claim he was a human being with all flaws and virtues lol Really?

Daydreamer, our thinking system and perception very much differs. Yours based on individuality, mine based on the benefit of the society I live, I am in the second plan. Turkish people at first taught to love the country and its people in school or by their parents instead of ownselves, I think this is one of the lesson experienced through the history of Turks, if it fails, state also collapses. In our time it is very much deformed by politicians. Anyway then children are taught how their country was founded and under which circumstances and there they are introduced to Atatürk. As far as I know all regimes follow similar education to ensure the unity of the country or some try to make their nation stand by money.

Children in TR are taught to love Atatürk by their parents or in school of course he is the one who established the country they live in, just like how they introduced the religions of their parents or others people with a little knowledge. In future when they learned more, they choose their path. And as for you ridicuolous claim that Atatürk was a human being, sorry who claimed the opposite? I maybe asking this for the the third time I guess, no one answered. Buda was a human bein too, Muhammad, İsa as well...

Why does Turkish government see it as threat that some people see things differently? With today´s access to information across borders it´s pointless to try to make Ataturk´s private life a taboo subject. It´s a losing game. If writers in turkey cannot write about his life, directors are treated like traitors because of their films and poor girls are ostracised when they say they don´t love Ataturk then maybe the worship has gone a bit too far?

Why are you so concerned with his private life? His private life should not be the issue but his thoughts. If you slander and insult him out your a** and say it was a criticism of his private life, of course wome people will reply to your claims. And regarding the videos on net criticizing or insulting him whatever it is the law that the government invented, in my opinion it is just nonsense..

Why not teach children about Ataturk´s achievements and his role in the formation of Turkey and let them decide whether to love him or not? Would that be too risky? What would happen if they decided to stay indifferent? Could that threaten Turkish nationalism? Maybe army would not play such a big role in Turkish "democracy"? maybe then inconvenient questions would have to be answered using reasons and not the "because Ataturk wanted this way" slogan?

Are they not deciding whether they love the formation of TR that Atatürk created? Of course they are, it seems they do not like it, if so TR would not be like that.

You´re saying he was not a tyrant. Let´s see...the decision to turn Turkey into a modern, non-Islamic state was the result of a national vote? And majority of people voted yes? Well, that would surely explain why there was no bloodshed {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} Oh, and army was not a method of imposing his will on the nation. happy days, I say. Even chosing his surname and forbiding others to take it shows he was less of a servant to the nation, and more like a ruler.

It is the decision of Turkish people, perhaps Atatürk brainwashed them not to be a slave. What could he done without the support of people? Nothing. People believed in him and followed him if not revolution would not take place. Who do you think army consists of other than Turkish people? Not fit the definition of a tyrant?? 

You´re asking about tyrants in the west, well..all kings surely were so and so were (and are) all totalitarian leaders.

I was just ridiculing your word salad description of "tyrant", not asking you about the tyrants...

Anyway, it´s late and I´m bored so let´s call it a day

 

 



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Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

105.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2010 Sat 03:27 am

 

Quoting oeince

Armegon its true criticising Ataturk in Turkey is a taboo.

Atatürk´s ideas was started to be discussed and criticized when he was still alive by his close friends, followers and of course people.  It is not the fault of Atatürk but the fault of  following leaders.

Because, the people like you just learned to blame the ones who seek the truth.

People like you, let us know when you reach the truth so that people like me can check if it is compatible with the truth of people like me. Wink

Ataturk was not an angel, but he was the leader of our indipendence war.

Once again who said the opposite?

 

 



Edited (11/6/2010) by armegon



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

106.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2010 Sat 02:51 am

 

Quoting oeince

I think you are one of the people whom I call "blind"

You are unable to understand me!

You are the one whom I call "yanar döner". And in fact i understood your paradox very well

Why should i need to çevir kazı yanmasın?

DD´s claim is that Atatürk was a tyrant, no different than Hitler and Turks worshipping him like God, and you said you agreed with her mostly in your post. That is why I asked that question and I got my answer, thanks...

You didn´t even understand why i touched on so called genocide. It was a reply to DD´s that claim "You still have no problem with Kurds or Armenians or Christians...neither did Ataturk, right?"

Atatürk´s ideas about these issues was clear, so I passed it in order not to devaite the subject. 

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

107.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2010 Sat 02:42 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Not all schools, apart from maybe Korea or Cuba, have a leader-glorifying attitude. I mean, everywhere peiople learn about history and people who made it. Don´t Turkish textbooks usually start with a picture of Ataturk and a poem praising him or a fragment from his speech? There´s a difference, you´re failing to observe, between talking about history and national heroes and worship. If you don´t consider bombarding children from a very young age with slogans, pictures and ideas of how great a person was and, at the same time prevent access to information that may spoil the perfect image, what is it if not propaganda and brainwashing? Apparently our dictionaries differ here...how does brainwashing work according to you?

You fail to understand that this is the history of these people and their sons. If you want young-aged children to learn how he was drinking and smoking, how he was a casanova or something like that, it does not fit our system of morality unfortunately if you mean information like this which may spoil the perfect image. In fact Atatürk himself preferred his ideas to be discussed instead of his private life. If you call it brainwashing, so be it.  Do Americans teaching their young-aged children how they extincted the Native Americans? Anyway after Atatürk short sighted leaders were failed to follow his path, they just made a ggod show by praising him, this is not the fault of Atatürk of course, actaully his revolutions remained uncompleted till now.

Again, I am not disturbed just interested, as I come from a country that has been exposed to propaganda for decades, and still it didn´t work on us I mean, it did work on some people, others followed for fear of their life but in the end, those that didn´t buy the crap won...it might be a difference in character, we seem less likely to accept ideas without questioning them. I´m not saying which way is better, just pointing out the difference

Yeah Turkish people showed their character in the war of independence, but unfortunately they lost it a lot now, I think they questioned a lot and held same path with imperialists as you said instead of following the path that Atatürk. 

In a way they did. Not in the form of war of independence, but they changed the economy, internal and foreign policy and had the same way of dealing with people who disobeyed them. And yes, all founders of new states are murderers, especially those who work by means of revolution. I mentioned tzar Peter the Great before, in order to modernise his country he´d cut off the beards of members of Duma (kind of a Russian national assembly), the members of Duma who didn´t want to cooperate lost their beards together with their heads. Isn´t it more or less what Ataturk did? he wanted to modernise Turkey, turn it into what you call an "imperialist" country. Don´t make me laugh that people who spent their whole lives in a fez gave it up without fight. People do not change easily. Ataturk´s revolution had blood on its hands, because all revolutions do. You´re justifying it saying that the previous regime was more bloody. Maybe. But, if my neighbour is a thief, it doesn´t mean I am free to steal from him, does it? Ie, the fact that others commit crimes is no excuse to commit them. Sure, history is written with blood. And it goes for all countries, not just Turkey! What´s the point of hiding it or justifying it? Murder is murder. And tyrant is a tyrant - I see you consider it to be an insulting word. How else would you call a person who makes his own rules and makes everybody either follow his way or kills them? According to my imperialist dictionary it´s a tyrant...

Too much of a word salad to justify the word "tyrant" . Is the word "tyrant" not insulting? So which words you use to insult or belittle leaders in your imperialistic dictionary? According to this point of view, one cannot able to find a world leader or a politician who is not a tyrant. Too bad people are always choosing tyrants. Then they are tyrant as well, all of us tyrant.{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}


To be brainwashed, I´d have to be told that for years. And I haven´t. As far as I can remember my schoolbooks, I don´t think Turkish history took more than one page, if any. We did learn about the Ossman Empire and probably had a short text about independence movements across Europe at the beginning of 20th century - it must have included Turkey. but, to be honest, I don´t remember the name Ataturk from school. The first time I came across it was when I went to Turkey for the first time. So, sorry - no brainwashing here. Just an observation. Sorry to disappoint you but children in the imperialist Europe do not start their day with learning about how terrible Ataturk was and how they should hate him lol

Same in TR children firstly learn their history rather than world history. Mostly they learn world history by themselves. Of course they are not taught how evil imperialist westerners are to brainwash in schools ..

Oh, and I see my comaprison of Ataturk to Stalin and Hitler seems hard to digest for some people. Well, they were all leaders in autocratic regimes, they all wanted what was best for their countries at the time, regardless of cost in life, they all had their cults, poem written about and children being taught at school about how wonderful they were. They all had charisma to inspire crowds and all are responsible for numerous deaths. That´s for similarities, but surely there are differences: Ataturk´s scope was more limited, Hitler and Stalin had bigger territories to deal with, Hitler and Stalin were opponents in the war, one´s loss was the other´s victory. They both fought for dominance in Europe, Ataturk was not as expansive. Finally, both Hitler´s and Stalin´s regimes fell (fortunately!) - Hitler lost because he was too weak to conquer the whole Europe, Stalin well..ok..his regime didn´t fall until years later, but it was judged only after it had! Ataturk´s regime still holds, most probably because it wasn´t as expansive as Hitler´s or as rigid as Stalin´s. But, most importantly, it was better for those who followed him than what had been before him.

Your comparison is ridiciolus, that is futile you write to many words to explain because meaningless in the first place when the roles of leaders are different, as i explained Atatürk was defending his people against tyrants who occupied the lands of Turks. And yes Hitler and Stalin lost because they were attacking other countries, in the end other tyrants won... {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 


 

 

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

108.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2010 Sat 12:12 am

, that is right because I do not like your "çevir kazı yanmasın" post.Wink

Quoting oeince

  because i feel an oppressive tone in your writings.

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

109.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 11:26 pm

 

Quoting oeince

I think DD is right in many points. As Elisabeth says, she rather criticizes the blind supporters of Ataturk.

So oeince, there is no difference between tyrant Atatürk, Stalin and Hitler according to you?? 

The person who we love don´t have to be perfect. Noone is perfect. Ataturk was not perfect also. He had his own goods and foults. But, Ataturk was the leader of our indipendence war and taht´s why we love him with all his goods and foults. Thats all!

If we can´t be brave enogh to accept that our leaders are not perfect, we have to get ready to be dissapointed. Actually, I don´t see a difference between the ones who blindly believes that Ataturk was perfect with all his aspects and the ones who blindly believe that the Imam of their community is perfect.

Here who said the otherwise?

My Turkish friends, let me remind you that we are being accused of a so called genocide that we have never done in order we didn´t value the ideas of world communuty who has poor knowledge about Turkey.

Do not divert the subject to Armenian rubbish please, discussed millions of times, noone could agree...

We must stop to live in our paradise with just Turkish oriented beliefs. We are just a part of the 6 billions world.

Yeah Global world, where the emperors are companies and slaves are genuinely exploited

 

 

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

110.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 10:32 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

After reading DD´s posts, I don´t see where she belittled or disrespected Ataturk in any way, I do see where she critized his mere mortal followers...

Hmmm, If calling him tyrant is not belittling, then describe belittling bitte...

 

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Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

111.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 10:28 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I think your anger at a Pole trying to discuss Ataturk objectively prevents you from seeing my point

Why am I need to angry with you? I was just laughing your comment considering him equal to Stalin or Hitler.

Are you trying to say Ataturk is not responsible for thousands of deaths?

Yes I am saying that. With your thinking there had not been an Atatürk if lands of Turks was not occupied.

That his reform was peaceful and joyful?

I can say it was the most peaceful one comparing to previous ones.

That people changed their lifestyle just because he said it´s a good idea?

That people even did not know the lifestyle of their Sultan and how they were easily sold out and suffered for years. Have you ever checked the lifestyle of family of Sultans? Be sure none of the women was covered, seen quite modern, living in a wealth. But they chose Atatürk because he is from inside of them and offered them free country and people followed him. Is it clear? 

And what you´re saying about him being considered saviour by millions of Turks only proves my point - you´re brainwashed from the early age to consider him the ultimate hero. It is impossible to criticise him because you grow defensive. What if he was an alcoholic? What if, despite giving women voting rights, he was a tyrant at home? Would that change his being one of the most important people in Turkey´s history? I don´t think so...

You are claiming I am brainwashed, how funny, nothing prevents me to say that me not but you are brainwashed that Atatürk was a tyrant.

You may argue that since I am not Turkish I cannot know anything about him, but it works both waysl; if your governments want to make you believe he was perfect, then maybe you need a foreigner´s eyes to see things from a perspective.

No one made people to believe he is perfect. If you can percieve, let me repeat again, this dead guy is the founder of Turkish Republic, a leader that Turks followed him and trusted in him, and they saved their future from occupiers together, and we are the descedants of them. And this is our history. So a foreigner eye does not make sense in this situation. Moreover I do not know many historians who consider Atatürk equal to Hitler unfortunately.

During communism some people actually believed in the system, in Stalin, just like during the 3rd reich millions of people believed in Hitler. They would not admit being brainwashed, just like Turks can´t admit it either.

Irrelevant! I think you could not understand the situation of Turkey after WW1, sure it is because you said Atatürk´s job was easy.{#emotions_dlg.lol} After WW1 as you may know the whole Anatolia was parted between imperialists, Turkish people became united around Atatürk to kick these tyrants off from their lands. And they together established a new state called Turkish Republic. Sorry it does not look like any of scenarios you mentioned. Regarding the reforms, as i said before I can say it was the less bloody one according to previous one, I always thinked what if it was much more bloody. Have you ever seen a new state established without reforms? According to you the all revolutionists and founders of states are tyrant and killed innocent people. Did Hitler and Stalin established a new state?

And, to be honest, i think it´s more objective than yours - I understand some islamists would be against Ataturk, Turks would be ready to die for the image created for him, and I am quite indifferent. He´s just a human being exactly the same like all other revolutionaries, an accidental person with his good and bad sides, who was in a given place in a given time. If it hadn´t been him, you might be worshipping a different Mustafa now. If he had failed, you would be cursing his name and praising a religious leader...that´s history and facts that always occur this way or another. Well, I can only guess you wouldn´t have access to youtube anyway lol

Be sure no Turk would die for Atatürk but many of them can die for their country just like in the war of independence, of course you cannot understand this since you are brainwashed with the ideas of individualism by imperialists, like your absurd question "Do Turks worship God or Atatürk?" , go and make a poll maybe you find interesting answers . Such a simple thinking you have like " if it had not been him, if he had failed bla bla", some Turks answered your question in a simple way like you do "If he had failed, now you were not able to know your father." Who knows? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

i remember when I was on a guided tour of Turkey, the guide had a lot of spot-on comments about Turks. The longer I know Turks, the more right I see he was You need icons, gods, religion´s importance was reduced by bloodshed so you needed a new god. And you have been taught to love him, which you never fail to do You are taught not to question Ataturk´s way, as it´s been made the only right way. The love for him is being incited by threats: you´re afraid of increased religious influence, and afraid there are evil Brits & co who want to undo your beloved hero´s efforts and take over your wonderful country. You still have no problem with Kurds or Armenians or Christians...neither did Ataturk, right?

Good observation. I know Turks worshipping Atatürk in mosques and churches and sinagogs etc. And that is how we like it, maybe it will change in future, that is the personal choice, is it not? You may argue again they are brainwashed . Why is an hardcore atheist being disturbed idolworshipper Turks? Turks accepted and will accept all the decisions of Turkish people even if it leads them to Islamic regime rather than idolworshipping democracy, so no need to afraid of anything as far as all the decision makers are Turkish people, if not Turks should criticize the decision makers that we usually fail to do, but in the end through the history Turks always found a way to get rid of after they had suffered a lot, who knows maybe we need to find a new Mustafa Mustafa in near future to worship...

Look, I just want to make something clear, what I am interested in is the propaganda mechanism and the brainwashing, the social consequences of the persona cult, not history. Glorifying Ataturk, you´re teaching your children it´s ok to kill people who disagree with you, it´s ok to be a tyrant just to get the idea you want. Turkish history is full of examples of their love for being controlled by the army, which, instead of serving people, defends ideas from the last century. As if it were not the living people in a modern world  who count but a dead leader in a marble tomb.

I am also interested in the mechanism how you brainwashed with the ideas like Turks teaching their children to kill people who disagree with them. It corresponds to a slander in our lexicon of course it can be different in the lexicons of imperialists. You read that one, we read ours.

Oh, and I have a question. In school, where the cult of Ataturk is blossoming, can you say you don´t find him heroic? That you disagree with what he did to Turkey? Can you do that and not have to face any consequences?

In school period children learn their history, and who founded their country under which circumstances like many other countries, Australians visit Gelibolu to learn their history, Japanese visit the places that atomic bombed to learn their history and not to forget etc. As for your question why do honourable and right minded Turks need to say he had not done something heroic when they grow up in the first place? 

 

 

 



Thread: Last day of the ceasefire?

112.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 09:31 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

First of all, you should choose your words better. Don´t tell people to shut up on an open forum. It´s extremely rude. Second of all, I do know the relationship. Splintergroup doesn´t mean they are the best of friends. The root of any splintergroup is a disagreement somewhere of the way in which a common goal can be achieved. You just assume that I don´t know what I´m talking about because I don´t agree with the views that PKK is behind this? How childish of you to react in a "shut up" way.

 

 

I am sorry but I could not find a better word with my limited english against your ridiculing that I do not know what splintergroup is.  Now I learned what splintergroup is, thank you, yeah pkk and tak are not friends, just they live together, now hundreds of splintergroup´ s terrorists are waiting in Kandil...



Thread: Translation!!

113.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 05:34 pm

My try ;

Belki merak ediyorsundur neden Türkiye´yi sevdiğimi ve neden Türkçe öğrenmeye başladığımı. Evvela ülkem Irak´ı seviyorum ve biliyorsun ki Irak´ta çok sayıda Türk var. Sebeplerimden biri bu. Her şey birkaç yıl önce tanıştığım Türkçe öğretmeni ile başladı. Ondan gerçekten hoşlandım. O okuldan ayrıldığımda ise, bir Türk sınıf arkadaşım oldu. Ve o zamandan beri Türklerle görüimeye başladım. Ancak her şey 4-5 yıl önce Arap televizyonunda izlediğim "Çemberimde gül oya" dizisi ile başladı, onun gibi bir şey işte. Ben ve annem her gün onu izliyorduk. Ve o zamandan beri Türkçe ile ilgilenmeye başladım çünkü dizide ne konuştuklarını gerçekten anlamak istiyordum. Birkaç yıl sonra başka Türk dizileride Arap televizyonunda oynadı. Ama sadece bazılarını izledim. Bir gün Türkçe öğrenmeye karar verdim. Kelimelerden başladım. Ve bir de Mısırlı arkadaşım vardı Türkçe öürenmeye çalışan, böylece beraber öğrenmeye başladık, ama ne yazık ki o öğrenmeyi bıraktı, ben bırakmadım.

Quoting Zuzu

Maybe you wonder why I love Turkey and why I started to learn Turkish. First of all I love my country, Iraq and you know that there are many Turks in Iraq. It´s one of my reasons. It started from a Turkish teacher that I had for some years ago. I really liked her. When I moved from that school I got a Turkish classmate. And from that time I started to meet with Turks. But everything started for 4 or 5 years ago or some thing like that, when there was a Turkish serie on Arabic TV name "Çemberimde gül oya", me and my mum watched it every day. It is from it I got interested in Turkish language because I really wanted to understand what they say in Turkish series. After some years there were other Turkish series on Arabic Tv. But I just watched some of them.

One day I decided to learn Turkish. I started from words. And I also have an Egyptian friend who also tried to learn Turkish, so we learned together, but unfortunately she gave up, and I didn´t.

 

 

 

 



Edited (11/5/2010) by armegon

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Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

114.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 04:43 pm

Who did you ask or force you to pretend to accept him as saviour of TR?  But do not worry millions of Turkish people see him as saviour and respect what he did for the people of TR, I guess no one forced them. And these people do know their history better than a Pole who consider Atatürk equal to Hitler{#emotions_dlg.lol} . Maybe they have heard or learned from their ancestors. Now a simple gift for you about history to enhance your knowledge about the difference between Atatürk and Hitler dear Smile.  As far as I know like millions of other Turks, Atatürk was fighting against tyrants who occupied his country, killing his countrymen, raping their wives and daughters, he was defencing, was not attacking to other countries to exploit. Were we decieved for a century? Were we lied for years? What a pity, just learned them from Pole 100 years later...

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 



Thread: T to E please not sure what this means thanks in advance

115.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 02:27 pm

 

Quoting minimay

Ordaydim -- I was there

Sana mail atmisg kizdim ona-- He/She sent you a mail to make you call May, i was angry with him/her

Mayi ara diye--- check above bold part

 

Not sure what this means something about mail, and calling I think.

 

 



Thread: E - T please

116.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 02:25 pm

Eş değerdeki kasımpatı çiçeğini gün içersinde akşam üzeri teslim edeceğimizi bildirmek istedim.

Quoting raindrops

 

Thank you a lot!

 

then could you be so kind to translate another little message.

 

Please be informed that we will deliver a potted chrysenthumum plant of equal
value later this evening.

 

 

 



Thread: Please correct me - Writing in Turkish

117.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 02:06 pm

Welcome . No problem as far as i find time to check...

Quoting MrsBee

Thank you, armegon, I found your suggestions extremely useful. It´s perfect.

I would really appreciate you coming back later to check my other writings.

 

 



Thread: E - T please

118.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 02:04 pm

My try;

Quoting raindrops

Please be informed that unfortunately a mini rose potted plant is not
availalbe. May we substitute it with a potted chrysenthumum plant of equal
values?

 

Sizi bilgilendireyim, mini gül saksı çiçeği elimizde mevcut değil ne yazık ki. Eş değerde kasımpatı ile değiştirebiliriz(eğer isterseniz)? 



Thread: Please correct me - Writing in Turkish

119.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 01:46 pm

 

Quoting MrsBee

Merhaba. Adım/Ben Bee. Eşimle Türkiye’de yaşıyorum, boş zamanlarımda Türkçe öğrenmeye çalışıyorum.

Maalesef dil okulları  ve özel öğretmenler bana çok pahalı benim için pahalı/bana pahalıya mal oluyor. Bu yüzden ben tek başıma Türkçe öğrenmek zorundayım. Ben Türklerle insanlarla sohbet edebilirim edebiliyorum, onların ne istediğini genelde anlıyorum/ne istediklerini-ne demeye çalıştıklarını genelde anlayabiliyorum.

Ama ben gayet çok iyi Türkçe bilmek/öğrenmek/konuşmak istiyorum, onun için daha çok pratik yapmam lazım/gerekiyor. Internet’te pek çok/bir sürü ders var, ama onların çoğu temel seviyede. Orta seviyede Türkçe alıştırmalar ve dersler bulmak bence oldukça zor. Lütfen arkadaşlar, bana yardım edebilir misiniz?

Burada ben her gün birkaç cümle yazacağım, lütfen onları düzeltin, yaptığım hataları anlatın, bana yeni şeyler öğretin. Ne diyorsunuz?
Çok teşekkürler!

İyi günler diliyorum!

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Last day of the ceasefire?

120.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 01:33 pm

 

Quoting si++

Eyvallah, inandık.

 

{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}



Thread: One word- Turkish to ENglish Please! thanks!

121.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 01:31 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

GAMZE can be observed in places other than beautiful faces. I shall not be putting in relevant photos, to explain my point.

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

 

Quoting armegon

"gamze" means dimple, and it appears on the cheek when smiled(see the pic below), well actually this one is the most common one that Turks use

 

Wink

 



Thread: Last day of the ceasefire?

122.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2010 Fri 02:24 am

If you do not know the relation between pkk and tak, it is better you shut up. tak was established by pkk in near past. Terrorists are trained to be used in terrorist acts in cities such as burning buses, forests, bombing in cities and touristic places etc. They are being trained in pkk camps in northern Iraq, Taksim bomber is one of them as well. After it had been established, nearly all dirty terrorist acts is being claimed responsibility by them. Kck or pkk now try to picture them as separate group or out of control so that in future they can claim "it was not pkk but tak" about the dirty terrorist acts. Tabii yersen...Wink  

Quoting barba_mama

It seems some people don´t understand the meaning of splintergroup...

 

 

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Thread: Last day of the ceasefire?

123.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 04:15 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I don´t think PKK is linked to this attack, since PKK tends to claim all it´s attacks. What is the point of attacking somebody and than saying "it wasn´t me!". I was surprised by Erdogan´s speech after the attack. Seemed like he was pointing towards other people, instead of the PKK as being behind the attack.

 

TAK which is a branch of PKK has claimed responsibility for the attack...

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/16216388.asp?gid=373

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

124.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 11:23 pm

This one is because of the videos of Baykal on youtube.Wink

Quoting stumpy

{#emotions_dlg.wtf} I just check the post 15 minutes ago and the ban was lifted now it´s back on!

the law makers are changing their minds faster than a PMS´ing woman who is getting dressed for a diner party( I just know I am going to get slammed for this one {#emotions_dlg.eeek} )

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

125.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 11:21 pm

Some people can also remain sceptical about the objectivity if some statements are not seen as insult which has many examples. Then let ask God to decide {#emotions_dlg.lol}

Quoting Daydreamer

I wonder if there are many cases of people actually being sentenced because they were charged with insulting Ataturk. Sure it all depends on the courts to decide what is an insult. Please, let me remain sceptical as to their being objective. After all, it´s them who make sure Ataturk is treated like god

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

126.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 10:52 pm

It is again banned now{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting tomac

 

Quoting si++

Right, but I was pointing out the fact that a German company have those videos that cause trouble in Turkie according to the current law (5651). Why do they have them? And why have they decided to remove them from utube?

 

This article contains a little bit more information about this case:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-lifts-ban-on-access-to-youtube-2010-10-31

Quote: A German-based international licensing service owned by a Turkish citizen bought the right to remove the disputed videos from YouTube and announced Friday that they were no longer viewable on the site. Following this development, the court in Ankara acted immediately to allow access to YouTube.

 

 



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

127.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 10:45 pm

I do not think I missed the point. Did I say that article says he was alcoholic? I only mentioned that he was maybe affected by some slanderers. Of course he was drinking, he has also weak belief in traditional Islam teachings but those does not change anything about the importance of him.

It is true there is a line between criticizing and insulting, and everyone has right to comment on if the statement about him is a critical or an insult, and everyone has right to appeal the courts, in the end Turkish judiciary will decide...

Quoting Daydreamer

haha you missed the point. The article was not a statement that he actually was an alcoholic but a description of the fact that as soon as such voices were heard they were immediately silenced. Of course, how could a Polish author know the truth if even Turkish ones don´t? lol I don´t think you can find any articles or books criticising Ataturk in libraries, can you? I´ve read somewhere that even letters and diaries of Latife are securely locked in a bank and neither historians or journalists cannot get to them. What if they contain the sad reality where Ataturk spends evenings drinking and playing cards with male friends rather than his wife? Would that make him a less important person in turkish history? I doubt it. What he did was crucial for the rise of the Republic. You don´t need to make a saint of him to appreciate him. 

Democracy and freedom of speech don´t grant you the right to insult. Of course! If somebody calls you an idiot for no reason, you can sue them. But there´s a line between criticising public people and insulting them. If stating you don´t love Ataturk is considered an isult, there´s something very wrong with the law

 

 

 



Thread: One word- Turkish to ENglish Please! thanks!

128.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 10:29 pm

"gamze" means dimple, and it appears on the cheek when smiled(see the pic below), well actually this one is the most common one that Turks use . And "gamzelim" corresponds to something like "my sweetheart with a lovely dimple".

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Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

129.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 09:32 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I´ve read a nice Polish article about how speculations about Ataturk´s alcohol problems were immediately forbidden from seeing the light and has any critique of him. Not quite fair, is it? After all, it´s not like he turned Turkey into what his idea of a good country was overnight or without bloodshed. Just like all revolutionaries, he´s guilty of thousands of deaths of people who didn´t agree with him. That´s hardly unique or hero-like

 

Yeah that Polish article writer knows the all truth about him, perhaps he/she cheated from Rıza Nur...



Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

130.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 09:25 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

You have the right to treat anyone as godlike creature, but those who don´t, should also have the right not to.. would you agree? That is what Daydreamer is talking about when she talks about freedom of speech and democracy for everyone, not just you.. etc.

 

 

But those who do, should not have right to request not to insult to him, would you agree? Insulting to him categorized as freedom of speech and democracy for everyone??



Thread: Ne Var Ne Yok

131.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 01:41 pm

"Ne var ne yok" is the alternative of "Naber" in Turkish, so it is maybe translated in English like "What is up"...

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Thread: Absurd news from Turkie

132.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2010 Tue 01:11 pm

What is amusing?? Atatürk is the founder of TR, he had affected the history of Turks, and of course Turks have love and respect for their leader, what is wrong with that? He is hero for Turks, and possibly not a hero for the nations whose aims tripped by him. In any society swearing is not welcomed, and may provoke people of that society if you are swearing to one who is respected. By the way numerous times I had witnessed that you are parroting the same thing that he was turned into godlike, and I will respond to you with the same argument, you are obsessed with the respect of Turks to Atatürk. Lastly check your description of hero dear, fits much like the definition of godlike...

Quoting Daydreamer

It´s amusing to see an 80 million country taught to love and respect the memory of a guy who had his faults like everyone else.

 

 



Thread: T to E my attempt

133.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2010 Sat 12:45 am

 

Quoting Mysty

Armegon thank you. Ekmeğinin hepsi yedi .

 

Sorry, another correction I missed "Ekmeğinin hepsini yedi" 

He has eaten all his bread---> Ekmeğinin hepsini yedi.

He has eaten all the bread---> Ekemeğin hepsini yedi.



Edited (10/30/2010) by armegon

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Thread: T to E my attempt

134.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2010 Sat 12:40 am

Soften "k" to "ğ" then it is ok...



Thread: what caught my eye today

135.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Oct 2010 Tue 10:24 pm

Some say he even could not guess a gs draw in Saraçoğlu and that deep sorrow had a big affect on his passing.{#emotions_dlg.confused}

R.I.P  Paul...



Thread: help with English to Turkish please... THanKs!!

136.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 11:42 pm

Gerçekten umutsuzca tavsiyeye ihtiyacım var, sana özel mesaj gönderebilirmiyim?

Quoting happy4u

sorry it should say:

 

I´m really desperate for advice, can i send you a private message?

 

 



Thread: Quick E-T thank you

137.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2010 Sat 04:45 pm

Çoktan ayırttım zaten. Endişelenme.



Thread: Crypto-Christian Armenian Turks not hiding anymore

138.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2010 Mon 02:18 pm

When Prof. Halaçoğlu said the same thing, he was crucified and accused of being racist. He resigned from Türk Tarih Kurumu because of reactions. He said at least 500 thousand crypto Armenian living in Anatolia presented themselves as Kurds or Kurdish Alevites.  It is also one the proof that shows up the lies of Armenian Diaspora.



Edited (10/11/2010) by armegon



Thread: Women cannot marry men they want

139.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2010 Sun 04:31 pm

Who not?{#emotions_dlg.razz}

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

Jealous?

 

 



Thread: Women cannot marry men they want

140.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2010 Sun 04:04 pm

Is there mathematical fallacy here? 106 years of age, what a perseverence he has...

Quoting barkindo

I once met a couple with a 86 year  (!!!) age difference--- he was 106 and she was 15.  He told me he would wait with sex with until she finishes high school.  But the girl seemed happy enough.  She did not look too bothered about it.  

 

 

 



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Thread: Emir Kusturica’s political views caused scandal in Turkey

141.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2010 Sun 03:58 pm

person spoken of in the thread, check the title...

Quoting buksi

 

 

Who ?

 

 



Thread: Emir Kusturica’s political views caused scandal in Turkey

142.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2010 Sun 03:40 pm

He has withdrawn from jury...



Thread: Visiting Egypt on Turkish Passport

143.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Sep 2010 Mon 11:14 pm

Renewal can only be done via Turkish Embassies in foreign countries as far as I know.

Quoting JanetteO

They keep the same passport; it´s just a new page that gets stamped in their existing passport.  Not sure if it can be done in the UK or at a Turkish airport.  I think it has to be sent in somewhere and it takes 2-3 days for the new stamp.  I am having the same issue; trying to find out if my husband´s passport can be renewed at the embassy here in Canada, or if he has to send it back to Turkey to have this done.  The Turkish embassy in Canada hasn´t been too quick in answering my inquiries.  I´ll ask my husband where he got his previous extension and will write further when I find out. 

 

 



Thread: t to e

144.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2010 Sun 10:33 pm

last part "you are our cute bride"



Thread: Turkish male fantasies!

145.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2010 Sun 09:40 pm

What does it evoke to you? Thread titled male fantasies

Quoting deli

 

 

 what are! you implying

 

 

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Thread: Icecream Ad Is Banned in England for Insulting Christianity

146.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:14 pm

I said "some" not me, and here are those "some"sWink

http://thesuperfluousnipple.blogspot.com/2005/09/her-royal-threeness.html

http://www.britain.tv/unbelievable_facts/unbelievable_facts_doctor.shtml

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

No!  But if you want to fantasise that she did, I will not spoil it for you

 

 

 



Thread: Icecream Ad Is Banned in England for Insulting Christianity

147.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:19 am

Some say she had also three boobs, is it true?

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

but she was far from it (and not particularly beautiful either) and had six fingers on one hand  

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

148.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:14 am

And where are those democracy and human rights lovers when people are being imprisoned for years without being sentenced? 

Actually it is not about following up any case in Turkish Judiciary system, it is about from now on Turkish Judiciary system cannot control over the actions of governments? Means like people of TR cannot ask where their taxes going...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well, I am not sure that is the result of the constitutional changes or generic behavior of the Turkish judiciary. 

But where were you guys when hundreds of writers were in the courts because of 301 (the old constitution you have been so passionate to save), did you open your mouth when there were thousands of cases of human rights abuses, tortures, killings because of the power given to the authorities with the old constitution? Did you feel ashamed when Turkey was convicted in EU human right courts because our own citizens could not find the justice in our biased judiciary or  prosecute the torturers, the killers with our constitution?  

 I wish you could follow up all other cases in the past but i am glad you are following up these type of cases now. lol

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

149.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:05 am

Obviously there are not any elites anymore but pro AKP supporters. And if you are not one, probably you take a deep breath in Silivri prison in such a democratic way, so democratic and just that people have been imprisoned for more than two years without knowing their guilt. And by the way these pro AKP supporters lets say lickers prefer to live with coup loving people´s of Aegean region instead of democratic Bingöl or prefer to drink in status quo Kadıköy instead of freedom castle Esenler.

The map I posted shows a deep division of TR started with Türk-Kürt, Alevi-Sunni and now evetçi-hayırcı. People mostly suspicious of eachother, there is no trust any foundation of state, and I think in this case it is better to forget about these democracy lies. Definitely 48% who voted "No" do not trust any action of current government, interpreting this, those people do not care about democracy, is just foolish. And this also does not mean those people do not want a new constitution.

Thinking that "Yes" voters voted for the ammendments is of course wrong, in the end most of them are not constitution professors as well as the "No" voters. But many of them obeyed the constitution professor in US who resurrected the deads to vote "Yes", maybe that is why number of voters skyrocketing...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 



Thread: Icecream Ad Is Banned in England for Insulting Christianity

150.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Sep 2010 Tue 05:54 am

Thanks to Anne Boleyn

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 We are not a catholic country.

 

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

151.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Sep 2010 Tue 05:51 am

 

Quoting armegon

Anyway another important change that most people forgot is the check of actions of political power by Judiciary system which seems much weakened by changes, thus Judiciary system for instance cannot sue any action of political power overseeing the commonwealth. I guess this is one is the most important change that current political power desire...

 

 

First Applications of "Yes"??

http://www.odatv.com/n.php?n=evetin-ilk-uygulamasi--2009101200

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

152.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Sep 2010 Tue 05:47 am

If I had a chance to ask these people, I could ask maybe "in which part of Turkey can any people live more freely? in secularist, oppressing and coup loving İzmir/Karşıyaka where people there 80% "No" or in city of Bayburt where the people there voted 85% "Yes"?" a relative question maybe. Bayburt should be one of the castle of democratization and most free city from now on then.  Contradiction here? Iraq is more free now as well after democratization! Someones are lying to people with parroting the same decorated expressions, democratization and more freedom, perhaps that is why 58.2% replied like this, thats the all thing they hear from media all day...

Quoting thehandsom

why people said YES?
-I thought Turkey will be more free 58.2 %

 

 



Thread: 10 people got killed :(

153.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2010 Thu 06:26 pm

No you are wrong, how come? they all boycotted the election, obeyed pkk, smell of Ergenekon there, Commandos from Hakkari Commando Brigade forgot their bag on the crime scene and also used mines made in Russia, I think taraf newspaper give a start to research, soon we can hope a video Turkish Commandos laying the mines, or a radio talk celebrating eachother how they killed the babies of ovepopulating Kurds...

Quoting Arafta

Kurdish terrorists killing Kurds? sounds familiar to me.

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

154.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 09:29 pm

But if the parliament had compromised on articles, referandum will not take place and referandum also points out still there is no compromise. Even 1961 constitution that the current government usually criticizes got 64% of people´s approval as far as I remember...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I guess, this one is more important than the others as it was approved by the people in a referendum and opened the way of making a new non-army  based constitution.

I think it is a nice thing and a real victory for Turkish democracy..

 

 

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Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

155.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 08:49 pm

By the way till now 80 or 90 constitutional laws out of 196 were changed or modified, noone called them great for Turkish democracy...



Thread: EUROPEAN VOLLEYBALL CUP

156.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 08:19 pm

Best is Türkiye.Cool 

Quoting Arafta

what`s "Turkia"? what`s wrong with "Turkiye"?

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

157.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 07:52 pm

The real problem is the structural change of Supreme Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors not the change of Constitutional Court. But of course they are very much related to eachother. Let me try to explain as far as  I understand. Before Supreme Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors has 7 members, 5 of them were selected between Supreme Judges who have no worries about carrier thus not dependant to Ministry of Justice by general assembly of Supreme Court of Appeals and Council of State. And other 2 members were Justice Minister as a chairman and Counselor of Justice Minister. Now after the change Supreme Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors(HSYK) has 22 members, 7 members are preserved same as the ex-one, now 4 members will be selected directly by President, 10 members will be selected between first class judges and public prosecutors who have worries about their carrier thus dependant to Ministry of Justice by assembly of Judges and Prosecutors, and 1 member will be selected by Academy of Justice. Before the effect of supreme Judges who are independent was 5/7 and now 5/22 simply. In other words the effect of political power in Judiciary system is strengthened, it was before 2/7 and now 12/22 and it also gives right President to select 4 members directly. Before it was violating the division of powers principle and now it is the same, only the effect of political power is strengthened. Besides this Supreme Council of Judges and Public Prosecutors is the council that decides the assembly members of Supreme Court of Appeals and Council of State and thus they affect the Constitutional Court since Court of Appeals and Council of State selects some of the members of Constitutional Court. It is like a chain, when one changes the structure of Supreme Courts, that affects all Judiciary system from higher level to lower level.

Anyway another important change that most people forgot is the check of actions of political power by Judiciary system which seems much weakened by changes, thus Judiciary system for instance cannot sue any action of political power overseeing the commonwealth. I guess this is one is the most important change that current political power desire...

Quoting catwoman

"Among the 26 articles comprising the package, changes are proposed in the way senior judges are selected.

Opposition parties, including the CHP secularists, argue that these will enable the government to exert more influence over the judiciary."

 

Do you think this really is a victory to democracy?

 

 



Thread: Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

158.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 03:22 am

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

YES = %57,94

NO = %42,06

 

And below is the map greens are "yes", and reds are "no"



Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CUP

159.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Sep 2010 Mon 12:00 am

It seems to me they lost the match in the mind from the beginning, I think Serbia win was enough for them, therefore not usual struggle from Turkish team, regarding the fans they were worst during the match but a little better during ceremony

Quoting lessons_in_love

The Turkish team played a great game and the Turkish fans were VERY classy.  Hats off to the team for a thier tireless efforts and to the amazing Turkish people for thier class and for showing support not only to Turkish team but to the American team as well!

 

 



Thread: Turkish Boyfriends and Girlfriends.

160.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 11:44 pm

I agree, possibly DD was testing something i guess

Quoting Arafta

I also don`t get what my post has to do with those killed for their religion but I completely agree with you. 

 

 



Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CUP

161.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 11:39 pm

Ahh yes, double victory for Americans today, congrats USA

Quoting AlphaF

Turkish team bows to the superior US team in the final game....Turkish crowd cheers US team as the champions...

Turkia is proud of her team....Well done boys ! {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

 



Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CUP

162.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 08:05 pm

I mean generally , the one you said not happen that much, right.{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting vineyards

What do you mean Galatasaray, Fenerbahce´ye boyun eğdi? A better example would be: "Fenerbahce, Galatasaray´a boyun eğdi."

 

 

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

163.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 08:03 pm

Here is the source that si++ posted http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ase/116/3/116_191/_html

Now you can go and ask them how dare they did not measure your family.{#emotions_dlg.bye}

Quoting vineyards

Well, the link is there. I might have said, "where did they get these figures..." Nobody ever measured me or anyone in my family. I just had to bow down my head and passed under it.

 

 

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

164.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 07:19 pm

Source was given as a link in si++´s post if you did care.{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

Quoting vineyards

I don´t know where you got this from but I have my doubts about these figures. 

 

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

165.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 07:17 pm

Tatars are connected to north Turks aka Kipchaks and Türkmens are connected to south Turks aka Oghuzs. Kipchaks were consisting of lots of nomadic tribes distributed on a big geography and more crowded than Oghuzs. they fought with Oghuzs, Russians and Mongols. Kipchaks had leaded some of the Oghuz tribes to migrate Balkans, Middle east and Anatolia, and Mongols had leaded some Kipchak tribes to migrate East Europe Caucasia. Crimean Tatars for instance are ethnically Kipchaks. Today Tatars also live in TR, Eskişehir is one of the famous place where lots of Tatars live in. Kipchak tribes in Europe also known as "Kumonos" by Byzantians, "Kun" by Hungarians had become christians, Codex Cumanicus was a kind of dictionary written possibly by missionaries to communicate with Kipchak people of Europe.

Quoting alameda

It can get confusing, I´ve also seen the term Tartar used quite a bit...more in the past. Marco Polo uses the term Tartar.

 

 

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

166.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 03:44 am

Nowadays it is mostly used for north iraqian Turkmens but in fact the Turks who came to Anatolia around 11 century were all Turkmens...

Quoting TheAenigma

I wonder why "Turkmen" has suddenly been included in the TC lingo?  I have been on Turkish Class for 5 years and have not heard it mentioned before.  Alpha is using it in every sentence, in case we didn´t see it in the previous one, like a dog with a bone, he refuses to let go of it ... {#emotions_dlg.think}

 

 

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

167.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 03:37 am

 

last 20 seconds of the match -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XShScUOyU



Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CUP

168.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2010 Sun 03:35 am

In case you do not know catwoman, it is a pattern in Turkish and very frequently used in sports by media.Wink such as "Galatasaray Fenerbahçe´ye boyun eğdi."

 

Quoting catwoman

Nobody bows to anybody, Alfie-man, it´s just a game!

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

169.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2010 Sat 05:54 pm

THREESOME hooker Helen Wood rated superfit Wayne Rooney a power-packed punter, telling pals: "He´s an athlete on the pitch - and he gave us a workout we won´t forget." {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3129350/Waynes-one-two.html



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

170.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Sep 2010 Fri 09:46 pm

And the ground must be watery {#emotions_dlg.lol}

Quoting slavica

 

 

 Yeap! There must be something in the air! {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 

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Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

171.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Sep 2010 Fri 08:36 pm

Semih and Hidayet are now playing for the current national team. Mirsad quitted to play for national team and afaik Mehmet has an injury. Lots of bosniak origin Turkish citizens playing in Turkish basketball league. I think they were born to play basketball.

Quoting slavica

also several of "12 Dev Adam" - Hedo Türkoğlu, Semih Erden, Mirsad Türkcan, Mehmet Okur (I´m not sure if they all play in recent national team) – have their origins in Srbia/Montenegro {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 

 

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Thread: Turkey launched the process of recognizing Armenian Genocide???

172.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Sep 2010 Fri 07:53 pm

Since you are talking about support of France to Kurdish terrorism, maybe the declaration of Madame Mitterand will help you, no need to search much then;Wink

"I am supporter of Abdullah. Abdullah has a special place in my heart."

Now oeince rte has similar attempts, such as negotiation with terrorist leader, what do you think?



Thread: turk - Eng

173.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Sep 2010 Fri 02:48 am

Turkish sentence is not proper, actually not much meaningful...

Quoting bryang

yardimci da olur ingilizce ogrenmenize eklemek isterseniz adresini gondereyim

 

 



Thread: Will be very grateful if somebody will help to translate from Turkish to English.?

174.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Sep 2010 Thu 02:12 am

Nefs is not something physical. Perhaps could be defined as non-physical driving force in human, it is neither good nor bad, mankind can decide it by will...

Quoting tomac

My try as learner at the first sentence:

 

1, Allahın rahmeti üzerine olsun. Sana gelen her iyilik Allahtandır, bütün kötülükler nefsindendir. Mekanın cennet yuvan huzurlu kalbin Allah ile dolu bayramın mübarek olsun.

 

Let the God´s mercy (compassion) come upon you. Everything good that happens to you comes from Allah, and everything bad that happens to you comes from your body. May the place where you are be paradise, may your home be peaceful, may your heart be filled with Allah, may your Bayram be a blessed one.

 

Generally all other sentences look like wishes for Ramazan Bayramı.

 

 

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Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

175.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Sep 2010 Thu 02:08 am

You also forgot USA not finalist yetWink. A good Lithuania or Argentina can make it diffucult for USA but they are favourite...

Quoting oeince

 

You are absolutely right. A hard match with Serbia is waiting for us. However I guess Tanjevic´s students wins that match with the motivation they recieved.

 

 



Thread: WORLD BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

176.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2010 Wed 11:36 pm

I respect Bogdan Tanjevic, he is also sick now but still on duty as a coach he gave this dicipline to team, they were also good at Poland but unlucky, now TR knows how to defence...  



Thread: ŞEKER BAYRAMI (09.09.2010-11.09.2010)

177.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2010 Wed 07:24 pm

Tomorrow...

Herkese iyi bayramlar şimdiden.

Quoting revekah09

When do u celebrate "Bayramin Mubarek Olsun"? Is it today in Turkey?

 

 

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Thread: Turkey launched the process of recognizing Armenian Genocide???

178.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2010 Wed 07:22 pm

Turkish version of obelix{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting Adam25

 

 

Sorry? What does this mean???

 

 



Thread: Turkey launched the process of recognizing Armenian Genocide???

179.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2010 Wed 01:48 pm

hopdediks 



Thread: please very urgent translation eng-tur!!!!

180.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Sep 2010 Tue 05:58 pm

Ben sadece ben olabilirim. Sağlıklı seven bir ailemin olması ve Tanrı´ya olan sevgiyi paylaşmak benim için çok önemli. Belki ben senin için yeterli değilim. Ben yabancıyım ama bu demek değil ki ben kalpsizim veya daha az değerim var.

Quoting luna-tic

I can only be me. Having a healthy loving family and sharing the love for God is very important for me. Perhaps I am not enough for you. I am a foreginer but that does not mean I have less value or heart.

 

 



Thread: urgent

181.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Sep 2010 Tue 05:51 pm

Çok hızlı konuşuyorsun, ne dediğini anlayamıyorum.

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Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

182.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Sep 2010 Tue 05:47 pm

Actually French´s plan was to face with Russia, they can manage it if NZ beat them less than 12 point difference, France tried this in last period very hard but in last 20 seconds NZ scored 7 points with two extraordinary 3 point shot and after that their plan failed simply.

Quoting si++

 

 

After watching the Russian team top the New Zealand team last night it has now been clear that French team did also let NZ team easily beat them so as not to face up the Greek team and instead preferred the Turkish team but their plan didn´t work out as they expected either.

 

 

 



Thread: E-T Please..

183.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2010 Mon 10:17 pm

My try;

"Bu geçen birkaç hafta benim için oldukça zordu. Sana ulaşmaya, seninle irtibat kurmaya çalıştım ancak sen aldırmıyor gibiydin. Ve bu beni öldürüyor. Geçen hafta doktora gittiğimde, bunu gerçekten kabul etmesi zor buldum. Hemen sana mesaj gönderdim, eğer seninle konuşursam kendimi daha iyi hissedeceğimi düşünerek. Ama sen konuşmadın, hiç ilgilenmedin bile. Bu bütün hafta beni harap etti. Gerçekten sana şimdi ihtiyacım var. Benim için ne ifade ettiğini farketmedin sanırım. Seni özlüyorum. Seninle ilgili her şeyi özlüyorum. Sadece senin de aynı şekilde hissettiğini umuyorum."

Quoting sesese

it´s kinda long but any help is appreciated. Thanks (:

 

"This past few weeks have been quite tough for me.

I´ve been reaching out to you, trying to get in contact, but you just don´t seem to care. And it´s killing me.

When I went to the doctor last week I found it really hard to accept. I sent you a message straight away, thinking that if we spoke you would make me feel better. But you didn´t. You were´nt interested at all. This has been tearing me up inside all week. I really need you right now. I don´t think you realise how much you mean to me. I miss you. I miss everything about you. I only hope you feel the same way."

{#emotions_dlg.shy}

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

184.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2010 Sun 04:21 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Oh we most certainly have. And although we might differ in some aspects, I believe that past should not influence present and future relations. The only thing that should be taken into account is today

 

Ahh yes, I see, in the end we are friends...

 



Thread: There is no place for God : Stephen Hawking

185.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2010 Sun 04:17 pm

"Görünce Rabbimi gönül gözü ile sordum: ´Kimsin Sen?´ Dedi:´Senim Ben´.." (Hallacı Mansur)

Quoting vineyards

Mansur Al Hallaj pondered all his life about the nature of God and then spelled out this phrase: "Ana´l Hakk". It translates into English as "I am God." 



Edited (9/5/2010) by armegon



Thread: There is no place for God : Stephen Hawking

186.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2010 Sun 04:09 pm

I agree. Obviously with a creator factor there should be new form of science consists of not only theoritical physical chemical laws but also metaphysics which is not a good mixture just because all statements that go beyond the empirical world called metaphysics and metaphysics cannot prove anything in a certain way. So there can be always counter statements or theories which is physical, metaphysical or both. Science cannot prove that you love your kids, it can only guess maybe with a very scientific manner, and by the help of the human science you can only guess there is God which is belief, in both you can be wrong, there is nothing called Absolute science but human science and human being has an ability to err.

Quoting Daydreamer

I still disagree. If scientists assume creation as the only possible explanation to certain phenomena, it means they consider their theories proven beyond doubt. And this is just wishful thinking. Nobody can guarantee that

a) creationism in this case will not be excluded in the future

b) all scientists will agree

Resorting to creationism is merely admiting that you have no idea how something works and you lack faith that it will ever be explained Knowing our smart species, nothing is impossible

 

 



Thread: There is no place for God : Stephen Hawking

187.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2010 Sat 01:41 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

God can be proved when some scientific researches need a creator to explain some scientific events.

But this not a proof but a belief,and a need to explain something scientific by the help of a metaphysical Higher Being. You say no human mind can understand God and then you say God can be proved scientifically by human mind, just a contradiction.  I think you should differentiate between, because metaphysical knowledge does not depend on objective criteria but fully personal experience and methodology, there is no static meanings of it.

No human mind can understand god or find it in universe in a space or time. Because i believe there is nothing except god. We are parts of it but we are not it. This is hard for us to understand fully.

It is simply saying that "God did not create anything but Himself" like in Sufism(Vahdeti Vücud or Vahdeti Şuhud). If you still not read, I advice you to read about Ibn Arabi and Imam Rabbani if you are insterested this kind of mystic belief system, though I do not share the same belief, they are experts on this as far as I know... 

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

188.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2010 Sat 01:29 am

A draw not bad in an away game, Lithuania is not so weak team i guess. Smile

Quoting bydand

 

 

Disappointing result for Scotland but I thought the referee had an excellent game.

 

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

189.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2010 Sat 01:24 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Now we should discuss the issues that general public is unaware of? Like Turkish nationalism, fanatic love for Ataturk even if it means banning popular video sites or unsolved kurdish and Armenian issues?

 

Have we not been discussing these for years? but could not meet on a common base certainly. {#emotions_dlg.doh}



Edited (9/4/2010) by armegon



Thread: There is no place for God : Stephen Hawking

190.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2010 Fri 07:22 pm

If God supposed to be bounded by laws of Universe, it is possible but then it is not God since He is bounded so it is better to say like Hawking "There is no place for God"Wink. So you can just believe there is God like Antony Flew...

Quoting gokuyum

I trust science and i believe one day god will be proved by it.

Check this book:  http://www.amazon.com/There-God-Notorious-Atheist-Changed/dp/0061335304/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283521923&sr=8-1

 

 



Edited (9/3/2010) by armegon

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Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

191.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2010 Fri 06:57 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

"How can you say that ´Turks´ came to ´Turkey´ long before the name Turkey existed? They were Mongols spreading into the West, so Mongolians are Turks? or Turks are Mongolians?"

Questions by another member

 

This is a good question. To solve the mystery here, one should be able to answer three basic questions.

1. While Mongols were on their way into Anatolia, they stopped by major Arab cities on their way and made sure all libraries were practically burnt out. WHY?

Because they believed that Turkic tribes of Anatolia were being assimilated by corrupted Arabs so they wanted to give lessons and stop these assimilation. Actually it seems they were very right on many things. They called Abbasids not muslim but "fasık" and declared God had sent them to punish corrupted Arabs. In Letter of Hulagu to Abbasid caliph same issues were mentioned. 

2. Mongols devastated Ottomans in one large battle near Ankara. The Ottoman Sultan was enslaved. Quite surprisingly however, Mongols first released the defeated and enslaved Ottoman Sultan, then stopped their campaign further West into Anatolia, though there was no one left to stop them. WHY ?

Maybe the words of Timur in his letter to Beyazid below will be the answer of your question;

"In your army there are Christians but mine is all from Turks, I am the one who represents Islam here."

According to Timur, Ottomans betrayed the laws of Oghuzs that is why Turkmens of Anatolia sided with Timur at war. After the war Timur gave back the lands of Turks who were persecuted by Ottomans. As we know very well from the history Turkmens were one of the most persecuted etchnic group during reign of Ottoman especially after the Ankara war. As far as I know the only general that Atatürk admired was Timur.

3. Before Mongols hit Ottomans, Ottomans were busy making life miserable for Europeans in the West. One would expect Europeans to take advantage of the loss Ottomans suffered and go for a sweet revenge, with no Ottoman army left to stop them. But that did not happen. No one dared attack Ottomans, even after they were practically plastered by Mongols. WHY?

This is simple because Ottomans rooted in Rumeli better than Anatolia, and christians were pleased of Ottomans(Serbian prince was brother in law of Beyazid and a huge army of Serbs fought against Timur with Beyazid), one of the reason that Ottomans was able to become power again if not they would possibly have been cleaned from the pages of history.

I shall not offer my own answers to these questions. They are however, worth thinking about - for those interested in Turkic history.

Above is my answers to these, they can be wrong of course since these preiods of history mostly blur. Now waiting for your answers.Wink 

 

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

192.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2010 Fri 06:28 pm

When I said the similar things that there is deep-rooted prejudice against Turks in Europe, some deeply enlightened members here laughed at me, even wet their underwears while laughing and tried to deny. Thanks you confirmed it.{#emotions_dlg.razz}

Quoting Daydreamer

I think the general lack of enthusiasm for Turkey´s accession among general public may stem from the fact that people have a wrong idea about Turks. You would be surprised how many people in Europe actually think that Turks are dirty, poor, dark-skinned, hairy barbarians living in tents or crumbling houses. They think Turks are all about alis-veris. That turkey is a country where you buy cheap gold of poor quality and tacky sweaters. The general idea is that Turks are a backward, patriarchial society where women´s rights are violated.

Of course the above is not true, but you have to come to Turkey to see it with your own eyes to understand it...and not everybody in the EU is willing to really go and meet Turks.

 

 



Edited (9/3/2010) by armegon



Thread: Polat will take the revenge of Blue Marmara

193.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2010 Fri 06:24 pm

Just a worthless serial or movie. It gives nothing to people or culture but agitation, a kind of exploitation of people´s feelings...



Edited (9/3/2010) by armegon



Thread: E to T please

194.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 04:37 pm

My try;

Arkadaşım,

Ne söylediğini anlayamamak çok sinir bozucu. Ama bana yardım eden iyi insanlara minnettarım, beraber sohbet ediyorken, ne yazdığını anlamaya başladım. Türkiye´den bir şeye ihtiyacım yok. İyi şans getiren kolyem var, onu seviyorum, sen sağolasın! Bu mesajları yazarak seni üzmek istemiyorum, bu yüzden şimdi bırakacağım.

Quoting jacawildcat

I am sorry to bother you guys again, can someone help me translate this.

 

My friend,

its very frastruating not to be able to understand what you are saying. But thanks to a nice people who are helping me, I got to understand what you were writting when we were chatting. I don´t need anything from Turkey. I have my good luck necklase thanks to you and I love it!  I don´t wanna upset you by writting you these messages so I will quit now.

Talk to you later.

 

 

 



Thread: Update and life away from Turkey

195.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 01:23 am

Wish you the Best loveprague

 

Quoting Thebirdy

all the best for you..we have a saying in Polish

what will not kill you can only make you stronger.

 

 

Nietzsche{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

196.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 03:30 pm

 

Quoting si++

One win in two games will suffice. PortoRico tonight and China tomorrow. But finishing group in the first place may turn out to be a bad luck as we may match with Serbia in the next round.

Right, one win will be enough. But according to latest results highly possible we will play with Canada or New Zealand in next round, we may match with Brazil or Australia in quarter final, and in semifinal Serbia or France, not that bad i guess...

 

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

197.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 03:27 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

I didn´t watch the opening ceremony, and I couldn´t see national anthems not played bit but I saw the problem on score board during USA-Brasil game. Were there other games with scoreboard problems? Not so perfect so far as it sounds from your description.

Yes, in USA-Brasil match there was scoreboard problem and also scores on scoreboard sometimes written wrong, corrected during the match. Puerto Rico national anthem could not be played as far as i remember. By the way rte disturbed by cheerleaders, when he was watching matches, no cheerleaders, Ramazan malumWink

Edit: There is some talk here. They think the opening ceromony was the best ever so far.

Did you read the comments below? Anyway I really wonder how it was the best ever since it was the first time in World Basketball Championships. Has the one who wrote this ever watched an opening ceremony in his life? It was great anyhow, never seen before that was right, boys wearing flip flops circumambulating a huge horse reconstructed from a donkey maybe, Tülin Şahin aka "çakma Cindy" who hardly speaks Turkish was the presenter, Müslüm baba was one of the star.  What is the relevance of Grek dances, singers or Troya since we have lots of beautiful traditional dances and good singers? Simply I thought it was not presenting Turkish culture but something lame more similar to Grek, that is why I criticized.

criticism by Yılmaz Özdil here {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

 

 



Edited (9/1/2010) by armegon [link for an article]



Thread: I am slave....

198.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 11:55 pm

As usual expected message from Barba, but I have to agree that sex slavery is a big problem, Turkey is one of the camp, lots women from east European countries, I do not know how these women fooled with the lies of good job opportunities even millions of Turkish citizen are not able to get a good job...

Quoting barba_mama

Slavery is a worldwide problem unfortunately. That´s why I also try to check what kind of chocolate is used in the products that I eat. When you pay attention, you´ll hear a lot of stories about this, in every country. For example, a lot of women working in the sex industry are basically slaves. Sometimes you also see that export-brides are basically slaves to their mother in law. It´s so hard to battle, since the people who are in slavery are often not able, or too scared to go to the police.

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

199.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 11:50 pm

There is no final four but semifinal , TR had a great chance to finish the group in the 1st position...

Quoting oeince

I am hopeful for final four...

 

 



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

200.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 11:43 pm

TR have beaten Greece 76 to 65. Ersan was superb, referee was Jungebrant and guess what? He was outrageous.



Thread: Turky FIBA World Championship 2010

201.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 04:17 pm

Greece such a row team, in defence palyers can do anything, people call it good defence and professionalism. Also they have a good lobby so the latest hearsays they are now pressuring FIBA to appoint same referee in Puerto Rico match, Carl Jungebrand. 

si++ by the way what do you think about organization? Imo it is a fiasco so far started with opening ceremony, I was thinking if this organization taking place in Greece, certainly sports with politics do not go well, then national anthems of some teams could not be played, and then problems on score boards lately...

Quoting si++

On the 4th day of the World Basketball championship, Turkish team will face Greece tonight at 2100 Turkish time. Turkish team who won their first 2 games are expected to advance to the next round by taking the 1st place in group stage if they win tonight´s game as well.

 

Quoted from: here

 

 



Thread: E-T Please

202.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Aug 2010 Mon 03:28 pm

I have never heard of a verb or phrasal verb "laugh from" in English{#emotions_dlg.unsure}. If the sentence is "I am laughing at everything", then it can be translated as "Her şeye gülüyorum."Wink

Quoting zeytinne

İm laughing from everything.

 

 

Thank you.

 

 



Thread: E-T please

203.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Aug 2010 Mon 03:24 pm

21 Aralık´ta bir haftalığına Antalya´ya gelmek için yer ayırttım, apartman dairesi boş olacak mı? Ve şimdi gerçekten konuşmamız gerekiyor, tamam mı?

Quoting snowhite

I have booked to come to antalya on the 21st Dec for a week will the apartment be empty? and we really need to talk now ok

 

 

 

 

thank you class

 

 



Thread: Turky is the most expensive country for car rental

204.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2010 Sat 02:14 pm

My friend rent a Hyundai daily 50TL, It varies from car to car...



Thread: Seni seviyorum??? and Turkish girls

205.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2010 Sat 02:12 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Not at all! Believe me. It was so natural that there wasn´t any!

 

No jealous lovers around then . What is the gender of the manager?



Thread: 3 favourite places for September vacation

206.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2010 Sat 02:02 pm

Datça, Ayvalık and Gümüşlük.

Quoting barba_mama

I can´t see the picturessss And I want to take a september/october holiday! Can anybody see them, and give me the names of the places they mentioned?

 

 

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Thread: Seni seviyorum??? and Turkish girls

207.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2010 Sat 01:59 pm

And often had been a victim of misunderstanding, right si++??

Quoting si++

I  had a manager who used to call his coleagues (male or female) "sevgilim" (my darling).

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

208.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Aug 2010 Fri 11:01 pm

What a fantastic opening ceremony of 2010 World Basketball Championship, only system of a down is missing!!{#emotions_dlg.head_bang}



Thread: E to T

209.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Aug 2010 Fri 01:29 am

I hope you can guess why I had translated like that, of course to get rid of these "ce-ca"s since specific language is not mentioned, of course it is used in Turkish, we use as well, but mostly formally, and since it was translated before me, i proposed another optionWink...

Quoting turkishcobra

 



Thread: Süt or Milch?

210.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Aug 2010 Thu 08:33 pm

hmmm, i thought the same.

Quoting si++

 

 

I think, deep down there is something about Turks in their minds.

 

 



Thread: E to T

211.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Aug 2010 Thu 08:31 pm

X dili Y dilinden daha zor.



Thread: Got anything to declare? :)

212.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Aug 2010 Thu 02:14 pm

I receive spams lately, some benighted spammers who do not know who she is in the last personal photo a month ago i added, are thinking that is me and sending interesting pms.{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}



Thread: Süt or Milch?

213.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Aug 2010 Thu 02:10 pm

So you start, why do you think?

Quoting si++

Come on guys.

 

I wasn´t expecting this kind of comments.

 

The company is right in their decision as they are targeting Turkish consumers. The problem is why are Austrians so oversensitive here?

 

 



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

214.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Aug 2010 Thu 02:08 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

http://tez.sdu.edu.tr/Tezler/TS00412.pdf

 

See page 83:

There was another mass migration of Turks during the Mongol invasion of Anatolia.

Some 5 million Turkomans migrated to Anatolia.

 

 

Thanks si++



Thread: Questions about science?

215.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 08:08 pm

 

Quoting libralady

I listened.

 

me too , it seems he tries to disprove the theory of bing bang, according to today´s scientific knowledge that theory contains some flaws, that is true, retrograde motion is one of them that mentioned in video.

We just know that we are living in an expanding dynamic universe which was observed and that yielded scientist to put forward some theories like this in order to explain the origin of universe. Newton was wrong, Einstein was wrong as well when he claimed that we are living in an infinite-unchanged universe, today´s scientist are wrong, possibly in future they will again be wrong, but in each theory people continue to learn something new about universe. Depending on today´s scientific knowledge probably we can say(this is one of the criticism of bing bang theory, i read in a forum);whether there is a start point of universe or not, is not related to whether universe created or not. Even if we suppose universe is infinite, this is not able to disprove universe was created.  Any physical model belong to this universe, is not enough to explain the universe. Each model will need a existential basis to form its own.



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

216.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 03:35 pm

I simply do not say that but I give reference to Arabic, Persian and Chinese sources which clearly depict Turks different than yellow race. By the way i can show you other DNA researches which says otherwise. 

Do anyone know that Karaman Turks(Kipchak by origin) celebrated the end of Ottomans as soon as M. Kemal declared Turkish Republic? They were the strongest rival of Ottomans in Anatolia. Even Ottomans failed to assimilate them.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well 

Accept it.. "We Turks in Anatolia are the real Turks but all other Turks in central Asia are mixed with Mongolians-that is the reason why we dont look like them-, we are more Turks than them" is not a winning argument. 

Apart from the looks, DNA researches are saying what I am saying basically..

 

 

 



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

217.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 02:38 pm

As i said there were Turkic people far more before than 1071, it was clear, even some were working as paid soldiers in Byzantine army, in Malazgirt these paid soldiers sided with Seljuk Turks which was one of the key factor of Seljuks winning this battle. And according to funny comparison of theh, these people as well should have looked like as today´s central asian people .

As for the examples about celts and mezopotamia, if one accepts Turkish/Islamic culture was far more developed than Roman/Christian culture in Anatolia as pre-condition, yes it was possible .



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

218.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 05:51 am

Well, what I mean to say is Turkic people have nothing to do with yellow race but caucasoid. The east Turks of central asia mixed with Chinese and Mongols because of Chinese and Mongol occupation and ruling, they became slant-eyed which is the dominant gene. For instance in Chinese records, Kirghiz people depicted as red-haired with green eyes similar to Arabic records or in Oghuz legends, it is stated that wife of Oghuz khan was "gökgözlü" or in Şehname Persian records Turkic tribes were depicted similarly to Arab and Chinese ones. So your comparison of Anatolian Turks with today´s central asian people is just ridiculous. Now what you say also funny, you claim that there was a place called Anatolia with a thousand year of Roman civilization and with a rooted culture and arts before muslim Turks arrived, but suddenly nomad, sepherd Turks with nearly 5% of local people occupied Anatolia, assimilated 95% of local people and Anatolia became a Turkish speaking land within 1-2 centuries, how weak was that Roman culture and how strong was that nomad Turkish culture!! Even crows laugh at this sorry. Before 1071 there were lots of Turkic tribes in Anatolia such as Kumans, Peceneks, Oghuzs, Kipchaks especially in black sea region, eastern anatolia and aegean region. In fact Turkish existence in Anatolia stand far from that like Sakas and Iskits later continued with Sabar/Sibir Turks, then Peceneks and Oghuzs. For your information there are more striking and interesting researches exist about the existence of Turks in Anatolia, need to look over those...Wink

Quoting thehandsom

Well. The answer is very simple: Those people carry more genes with Greek/Armenian origins than slant-eyed central Asians.. Gene researchers are telling the same thing: we have more Greek and Armenian genes than central Asian Turkish genes.. Again, in history, there was not a serious immigration from central Asia.. (there was once but hundreds of years ago and we do not know who those people were..They were from Caucasus but not a source saying that they were from central Asia) But, with all being close community etc, somehow, the numbers dont add up, I am afraid (simple number of people came from central Asia is not big enough- half million to 5-to 15 million) .. But as you also mentioned, since being Turkish is nothing to do with ethnicity, it should not bother us being more Armenian and Greek genetically than central Asian.

 

 



Thread: Web talk about USA visa

219.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 12:05 am

Yeah, you should also see the suburbs where people curse Sarko all day.

Quoting Doriss

Since no one works, I’d spend every day watching the artists sketch the Eiffel Tower with the sweet music of live violins that fills the air.  That IS what Paris is like, isn’t it?? 

 

 



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

220.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 11:21 pm

so tell me, why today do we not see a slant-eyed Grek or Armenian since that gene is dominant? According to some sources Turks were far more before in Anatolia than 11th century, as they state even Seljuks recieved help from that Turks in Anatolia. one more info for you when Anatolia were divided into "Türk beylikleri", it is stated that those were close communities and they do not easily mix with other races except elites, still today some "yörük"s reject to marry to other races, i do not know why. But yeah being Turkish has nothing to do with ethnicity but language and culture Smile

Quoting thehandsom

 

 



Thread: France begins clearing Gypsy encampments

221.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 10:03 pm

It is similar how some Turks depict Kurds {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting libralady

I think if anyone lived in an area where gypsies turn up in convoys and park on people land illegally, steal what ever they want, don´t pay tax or contribute to society, but want everything you would perhaps change you mind about predjudice!  The police are even scared to go onto a gypsie site as they are surrounded and hounded off.  They are intimidating and they think they are beyond the law and sadly it is the minority that make it bad for the majority. 

 

 

 



Thread: France begins clearing Gypsy encampments

222.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 09:37 pm

I am not talking about you or Dutchs but rather talking about Turks in Europe, and it seems they had bad experiences with Europeans...

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I was actually talking about Turks in Turkey. I had no bad experiences with Turks in Holland.

 

 

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Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

223.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 09:33 pm

Somebody deceived you then, maybe you are under the affect of Grek statement "Mongolic Turks" . Who said to you Anatolian Turks need to look like the ones in central asia? Afterall Mongols had ruled the remaining Turks who did not migrate to west, so it is expected for them to look like Mongol. By the way according to Arabic sources, at the time when they first met with Turks around 620-650 AC, their depiction of Turks were far from Mongols. Just go and check the portrays of Ertuğrul Gazi or Karamanoğlu Mehmet Bey, they surely do not look like a Mongol. In that case we can say Armenians and Greks look like Turks since Turks had ruled them for hundreds of years.Wink

Quoting thehandsom

If we take  100 random pictures of central asian people and compare them with us, then take another random 100 pictures of Greeks/Armenians/Kurds and compare, we will clearly see we have nothing to do with central Asians..

 

 

 



Thread: Cat culture thrives in Istanbul

224.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 03:27 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Camel is tall {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

rte is tall as wellWink



Thread: France begins clearing Gypsy encampments

225.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 03:00 pm

You are also talking about politics on phone with your mum, woe to your mummy{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting thehandsom

(I was talking to my mom on the phone the other day.. We talked about how Turkish politicians´ rhetorics are becoming like street language/quality dropping etc.. She added her comment in the end as ´ I know.. They are like gypsies´.

 

 

 



Thread: France begins clearing Gypsy encampments

226.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 02:40 pm

Barba, you know why Turks in Europe are living mostly in close communities and more radical than the Turks in Turkey, maybe did they have bad experiences with European people?Wink

Quoting barba_mama

 But the number of bad experiences that I had with Turkish people is way way WAY higher. 

 

 



Thread: Bible in Turkish & Arabic Script

227.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 02:33 pm

You can find Bible in Turkish with latin alphabet, I am not sure whether you can find in Turkish with Arabic letters.



Thread: Turkish / Turkmen?

228.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2010 Tue 02:31 pm

No difference, Türkmens are nomadic Turks aka yörüks from Oghuz family, of course they speak Turkish with a dialect, lots of Arabic and foreign words mixed in their language because they are living with Arabs, Persians and Kurds. As far as I know many of the Turkmens in Syria were subject to assimilation. By the way millions of them are living in North Iraq...



Thread: Eng - Tur Many thanks

229.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Aug 2010 Sat 02:02 pm

"İngilizlerle yaşadım" is ok...



Thread: PKK declares unilateral Ramadan cease-fire

230.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Aug 2010 Thu 08:51 pm

BDP is giving signals of reducing the pressure of boycotting referendum, at the same time as expected AKP rejected the claims that they had been in contact with pkk. AKP is also threatening every civil organizations about the referendum...



Thread: pls translate

231.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Aug 2010 Thu 08:48 pm

Erdem, küçük Selimhan´ın fotoğraflarını az önce bana gönderdi, çok güzel bir bebek, kesinlikle muhteşem. Dünyaya geldiğine çok sevindim, onu görmek için sabırsızlanıyorum. İnşallah hepiniz iyisinizdir.

Quoting britturk

Erdem just sent me some photos of baby selimhan he is so beautiful, absoloutly gorgeous. I am so pleased he has arrived I cant wait to see him. I hope you are all well.

 

 



Thread: PKK declares unilateral Ramadan cease-fire

232.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Aug 2010 Thu 02:35 pm

si++, bro check the below link too, I posted  a while ago in "what caught my eye thread".

http://www.odatv.com/n.php?n=hukumet-ergenekonla-anlasti-1708101200

Quoting si++

So why have they decided to stay inactive till the end of the referendum? Kurds do not care about it, because there´s nothing about Kurds in it? That was why BDP, PKK extension in Turkish National Assembly, decided and recomended Kurds not to vote.


So what happenned? Why is this urgent decleration for no reason?

Behind the curtains, PKK were contacted (indirectly and unofficially) for this decision. Because it´s known that the terrorist attacks would make more voters say "No".

We will witness on the evening of 12-Sep-2010 that Kurdish voters will say "Yes" to the package.

And they will get something in return for sure.

 

Quoted from: here

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

233.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 09:44 pm

It was known but anyways good analysis...

http://www.odatv.com/n.php?n=hukumet-ergenekonla-anlasti-1708101200



Thread: fashion in turkey

234.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 04:06 pm

However, Armegon, you are saying the same things but in a bit different words.

So, why would God replace His Books with another Book? Why does He keep changing His mind like a pregnant woman (sorry DD)?

People mixed orginal messages and the Almighty Author couldnt save His original copy? 

You are thinking God as a human and talking about His mind, in my opinion God is away from all these.  I did not answer that question because it is like asking “Why circle is circular?” or “Why did God not send Jesus for salvation from the beginning?” or “ Why did not God guide humankind to invent TV at darkages?” etc

 Quran says;

 

5:3 “This Day, I have perfected your Law for you, completed My favor upon you, and chosen for you AlIslam as the System of Life. If anyone is forced by dire necessity (to consume the Forbidden), with no intention of transgression, God is indeed Forgiving, Merciful.

 

Quran confirms the Tawrat and the Injeel and all other previous scriptures by restating them.  That is why it contains the words of Isa, Moses,  Abraham and the Patriarchs as well as other prophets. But this does not mean those scriptures have not been deformed, rather, it means some of them may still have a measure of truth in them, even though many parts of them have been altered and fabricated. 

 

Theres no guidance in Bible, theres salvation, Armegon, salvation. No one can reach the Heaven through his/her good deeds, if he/she did then he/she is god. And this is impossible.

This is one of the reason that muslims think the Jesus depicted in Bible is totally different than the İsa depicted in Quran.  Because muslims believe in Divine Justice.  The concept of Chrisitian salvation is based on the concept of pleasing or acknowledging God through faith only thus hope to have sins forgiven by God and to be rewarded by paradise. But Quran totally rejects this and says;

99:6-8 “On that Day will all people come forth as separate entities, to be shown their deeds.
[The guilty will stand apart from the innocent. 36:59] Then whoever has done an atom´s
weight of good, will see it. And whoever has done an atom´s weight of evil, will see it.

Actually Quran does not present a concept of salvation but rather concept of compensation maybe we can say. In Quran people are invited to “Tauba” when they have done deeds that had harmed humanity or themselves; at first they have to understand what they had done wrong and then have to take action by not adopting that path again. And of course Quran is very clear, God cannot be offended or harmed.So any deed will only be judged on its beneficence towards humanity, or how it harms and corrupts your own personality. 

God hates all type unions that is why He will send destructions as soon as the world will unite under the false name for the sake of peace and security.

49:13O Mankind! Indeed, We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes so that you might (affectionately) come to know one another. Surely, the most honored among you, in the Sight of God, is the one who is best in conduct. Indeed, God is Knower, Aware.

 

 

 

 



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Thread: What made you laugh today?

235.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 01:36 am

Congratulations!! 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Aww you just couldn´t fail to add the remark about age, could you? lol Well, the change can also have happened because I´m preganant. Just wait till the end of march and I´ll be back to my normal venom-spitting self

 

 



Thread: fashion in turkey

236.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 01:30 am

 I think you did not carefully read what i wrote or you replied what is on your mind automatically. Nowhere in Quran it says all the previous scriptures deformed or vice-versa. Because Quran is there talking about the scriptures/revelations which were revealed by God Wink. And It says Quran is superseding, authenticating/confirming them. In other words Quran is replacing the Injeel and the Tawrat since the message is the same they are one book of guidance not the NT or OT. Simply Bible is not the Injeel and Tawrat because of this muslims think Bible is deformed(me as well in my opinion people mixed the original Revelations with their history and legends). Quran calls itself detailings of God´s writ for humankind. That is why I said Quran is enough for muslims as a guide. 

Quoting lemon

 

 

A very weak as well as illogic justification for the Almighty who cant keep His Books in safe! {#emotions_dlg.suspicious}

 

 

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Thread: What made you laugh today?

237.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 01:34 pm

Ohh how can I forget you? But lately you are peaceful and forgiving, possibly after having a great kid and possibly you are getting older dear Dreamer . I am sorry !!

Quoting Daydreamer

Armegon!!! How dare you say I am wrong?! You must be getting old dear friend if you forget that I am NEVER wrong!!!!! lol

 

 



Thread: fashion in turkey

238.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 01:30 pm

Great!! Feeling the relief, that is what all people need. Basically it is not only all about choosing a religion or finding out which one is true, it is about the feeling the relief as you said. That is why conciousness of believing in a Higher Being is a great relief for many people, and I guess they think believing in a God is meant to be liberating for them not shackling and because of this people are researching the great Universe.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

 

I know, that´s why I feel a great relief being an atheist that I do not have to choose which religion is true after all and who the false prophet was...

 

 

 



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Thread: fashion in turkey

239.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 01:23 pm

{#emotions_dlg.lol}, I misunderstood your question as I thought you were asking for something else, anyway it was an extra info then. And of course women were wear wearing something to cover themselves mostly before, I do not think they were walking around naked as a jaybird ...

Quoting barba_mama

Wow... I changed bosoms into booby-area... Hm, anyway, I don´t know if this is a translation problem, or if it always says "draw their veils over their bosoms" in any laguage. My interpretation of this is that it is assumed that women were veils already, and that they should hide the cleavage. I didn´t think women actually showed the whole "package" back then

 

 



Edited (8/15/2010) by armegon [correcting jailbird into jaybird, i remembered it wrong and checked from dic. :)]



Thread: fashion in turkey

240.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:37 am

It can be seen like that from the eyes of an atheist. But for the ones who believe in a Creator, the answer is simple because God´s message was always the same from the beginning and people love to corrupt it, it is valid for all religions not only Abrahamic ones, God says He sent messengers to all nations, so not much surprising to see similiraties in world religions.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

 



Thread: An unpleasant attack at a Muslim cemetery

241.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:12 am

But it is sign of hate, isn´t it?

Quoting lemon

Dead are dead. They dont need any respect. They will never come back to learn about what happent to their grave stones. Actually, they will never find out. They are asleep until the Judgement Day.

Stupid are those who show respect to dead stones.

 

 



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Thread: Volley news

242.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:10 am

Actually si++, it seems you are a right-minded and sport-loving fan rather than other losing fanatics who always hate anything related to FB.



Thread: What made you laugh today?

243.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:07 am

Presumedly you are wrong, anybody ever seen Barba wrong? I am sure she switches off her cell phone when she gets on a bus, a model citizen, all you should envy{#emotions_dlg.lol}

Quoting Daydreamer

BMcim - nobody laughed at you for being wrong, I think the fan discussion got a bit lenghty because you insisted on using the word ven (or rendering the word fan as incorrect) even though natives said it was perfectly all right . So, you know, it was as if I claimed that klompschoen should be called klompshoes

 

 

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Thread: fashion in turkey

244.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Aug 2010 Sun 12:04 am

In Islam, Quran supersedes all other books. Means only Quran is enough according to muslims. So it is normal for your friend to think Jews believe in a deformed religion but not Jews themselves of course. I hope it is clear now. Btw I begin to think you are such a pouplar gal, you have too many friends.

Lastly as for your question, the answer depends on the meaning of Arabic word "zeenathuna" which we say in Turkish "ziynet" and we mostly use it as the equivalent of English word ornament or jewellery. But there is a discussion about this word between scholars if it means special parts of body(such as boobs as you mentioned) or ornament/decoration. So far in many cultures i have not seen women showing their boobs to their male servants who are needless or to their brothers or their children (except maybe breast feeding). Anyway if you want to leran more, go and search Arabic term "ma malakat ayman", you will possibly understand what i mean...

Quoting barba_mama

Yeah, I had the weirdest discussion with a Muslim friend of mine, years back. She had some question about Judaism, and where the Jews get their beliefs from. I told about the torah and such. She asked me the strangest thing... "but Jews don´t really believe in the original torah right? Thing have changed since then"... I was in shock! I explained to her that no, everything is still as it was. Why else would they call themselves Jews, if they don´t believe in the basics of Judaism? She was the first to explain to me that Muslims believe that somehow things got changed, and that Muslims believe that Jews actually believe in some kind of deformed religion. I wonder why she thought Jews would also think they believe in some deformed religion. {#emotions_dlg.think}

 

Anyway... having read the Quran, in a Dutch translation, I think that in the Quran itself it kind of assumes that a woman is already wearing a veil, as was the custom back then. Doesn´t it say something like (in much prettier words) let you veil cover the general booby area? I don´t know if assuming a woman wears a hair-covering veil is the same as demanding that a woman wears a hair-covering veil.

 

In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it

 

 



Thread: Volley news

245.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Aug 2010 Sat 01:26 am

Needlessto say that Eczacıbaşı will have a wonderful squad next season, lets see if they can be a wonderful team, I think Del Core is one of the best spiker in Europe, they also transferred two good middle blockers as well, Dushkyevich & Barazza, Mirka-Neslihan & Del Core awesome spiker trio. Only the problem for them is the setter position which is very critical when the team has problems of receiving, imo Elif Ağca is a little bit weak for this position. Whatsoever they have turned out a wonderful squad. Now all loser gs and bjk fans can support them as they were supporting VGSTT last season.

Quoting si++

 

 

Neslihan Darnel will also be in Eczacıbaşı squad next year. Turkish league is one of the top ones in Europe (together with Italian league). It´s very rare to see the Italians playing in other leagues. It´s give you a clue about the quality of the Turkish league seeing them play here.

 

 



Thread: fashion in turkey

246.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Aug 2010 Sat 01:18 am

Quran claims it verifies and authenticates the books which was revealed before. But It also claims the books which was revealed before lost their authentication. And that is why Quran was revealed.Wink

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.

 

 



Thread: fashion in turkey

247.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Aug 2010 Sat 01:14 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.

 

If hadiths are scrutinized, anyone can realize how Islam is deeply affected by Jewish and Christian traditions and beliefs. All these got involved in Islam by these hearsay hadiths which was written by two centuries after Muhammed as well as loads of christian and jewish converts. One example; in judaism it is believed that Eve was created from rib of Adam, you can see same in hadiths but not in Quran. But the interesting thing is whwn you go and ask a regular muslim about this today, you will possibly get exactly the same answer that Judaism claims which is called "İsrailiyat". There are many of them in hadiths which are not supported by Quran. These hadiths collectors also say Quran is missing so in their little mind they tried to complete it. And they are still called "sahih" today, how tragicomic!! is it not? 



Thread: look to the sky tonight

248.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Aug 2010 Fri 02:06 am

I have been sitting in the garden for 2 hours, the sky is clear, till now nothing happened... 



Thread: Volley news

249.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Aug 2010 Thu 09:34 pm

Eczacıbaşı transferred Antonella Del Core & Jenny Barazza. As i said before FB is pushing them to transfer good players. People were not interested in women volleyball before till FB decided to invest much on it by the help of Acıbadem. Now Turkish league is full of famous women volleyballers.



Edited (8/12/2010) by armegon
Edited (8/12/2010) by armegon



Thread: E-T Please

250.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2010 Wed 02:37 am

Ok, it was a quick translation, I had not seen the the word "call" there,  just realised now when you pointed out. By the way i guess no need to change the English sentence "to give a call" fits the sentence quite well...

Quoting dilliduduk

 

 

she says "phone call" so I don´t think she means to give away a phone, which is meant by the above translation.

 

 



Thread: E-T Please

251.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Aug 2010 Mon 07:58 pm

O telefonu vermeyi reddetmiş olsaydın, ne olacaktı/olurdu?

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Thread: fashion in turkey

252.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Aug 2010 Sun 06:17 pm

Young religious girls usually wear tesettür style(hijab) in Turkey. Scarves(Eşarp) usually prefered by village girls as can be seen in the second pic posted by barba in her first post.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

In Turkey you have lots of young girls wearing scarves so it´s not a matter of distant past. Also, all these who wear scarves are Muslim, so it must have something to do with religion after all.

 

 

 

 



Thread: Are these 2 sentences grammatically correct?

253.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Aug 2010 Thu 01:42 am

TDK says "hiçbir" traditionally written as "hiçbir".



Thread: What is your favourite holiday destination in Turkey?

254.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 12:46 pm

I saw one bus of them in a service area on my way to Ayvalık when i was having a break...

Quoting lemon

So many flights were to Dalaman from Katowice airport (Poland). Every hour yesterday Monday afternoon. Strange. It is so unusual. Plus its more often than the flights to London. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

255.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 04:15 am

I have nothing to add too, I said what needed to be said, unfortunately it seems some people here cannot stand and are being disturbed when the shame belong to their wonderful world, what a pity...

Quoting slavica

 

 

I see you are very well informed, unfortunally, one-sided and not open to different facts and opinions.

 

I´m not going to continue this discussion, think what you want, I have nothing to add to my previous post.

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

256.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 04:09 am

Poster was a reply to your argument "Dutch don´t see Serbs or Bosnians as muslims and christians" about how they see Bosnians at that time, just to give hints. But the war is very much related to relgions and cultural differences as well as money and land, mentioned many times by Karadzic and Milosevic.

"Remembering the uprising against Turks, the time has come to take revenge on muslims" said by Ratko Mladic in Srebrenitza.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x68nk5_srebrenica-katliamy_news

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 



Thread: Dangerous games

257.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 01:05 am

So you think, they executed this with such a bad plan, at this time of Turkey where everybody even avoid to use their phone in order to prevent phone-listenings, only naives and Nurcu team believe this. It is not that simple as i explained in my previous post, actually i havent detailed much, there are other issues as well... 

Quoting thehandsom

This is a ´foolproof´ MHP-deep state working together incident to me.. 

 

 



Thread: Humans : Are they good or evil?

258.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 12:42 am

Answer to your question they are both evil and good. In my opinion, with a phisophical approach, there is no goodness, badness, mercy or love actually, these are human beings´ classification and definition of our behaviours and senses, we name them and create them in fact, no human being no good or evil act, they are meaningless. Evil or good acts evolve relatively depandant to the conditions. Human nature is of course selfish, inclined to greed, arrogance, egoism etc, but the thing that human race differ from other livings, they try to withstand those tendencies...

 



Edited (8/3/2010) by armegon

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Thread: European Civilization and human rights for foreigner

259.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Aug 2010 Tue 12:01 am

First of all why are you such defensive when someone post something criticizing European countries? Can we call you European nationalist? Whether they were thieves, sex workers or whatever do pregnant woman and childs deserve this? You were not defensive and a good contributor when Turkia was being harshly criticized as far as i remember, yeah i know Turkia is the other, i can understand. By the way a standard way to digress subject by threatening to put the videos of brutalities of Turkish police, go ahead, digress it ...

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 



Thread: Dangerous games

260.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Aug 2010 Mon 11:53 pm

Only the brain-washed Nurcu team and their liberal companions can believe and relate Dörtyol incidents to deep state as they try to realte all PKK actions to Ergenekon fairy tale in order to justify terrorism, so not surprising today´s zaman the voice of Nurcu team sooner or later will relate it to deep state, actually they have been preparing since one week.

It is easy to find out who were behind the Hatay terrorist attacks, just need to ask who benefited from it? In the light of wider perspective, it is actually well-known that Nurcu team and liberals are wanting the Gendarmerie to be abolished, professionalized and to be associated with Police Department, so it can be fully under the control of Ministry of Interior. It is also known that Police Deprtament has been seized by Nurcu team, and Gendarmerie is very important for them since Gendarmeire takes the responsibility of following reactionary, bigotted and missionary actions. By this way they plan to break the connection of TSK with public. TESEV has been struggling to achieve this for years. And with the help of Dörtyol incidents, they achieved to stop the assignation of Saldıray Berk who was thought to be the top General of Gendarmeire this year, and with many fabricated evidences the assignation of ten generals are also stopped. It seems AKP very much benefited from the incidents to reach their aim, one more step closer. Can we say AKP is in collaboration with PKK? Absolutely, it is clear as day, their connection with terrorist leader was also proved...



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

261.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 01:24 am

Slavica,

I do know Srebrenitza was not the only tragedy, my highschool time passed watching civilians were being killed in the streets of Sarajevo. I guess you should also know how former Yugoslavian weapons bribed to Cetnik Serbs, and then massacres started all over the Bosnia, for sure Bosnians started to defend themselves under the leadership of Aliya, this time UN trap prepared for Bosnians as they were disarmed by UN forces, nobody touched to Serbs of course, and again mass-killings started. Inside the borders of Serbian Republic, one cannot show a single piece of land without massgraves where Bosnians, Crotians and Serbs were living together before war.

But Srebrenitza was the city where all the words came to an end. It was a collective humanity crime, shame not only belong to Cetnik Serbs but also the civilized Europe which make Srebrenitza more special. In Srebrenitza one more time it is proved how people can be lower than the animals.  Actually there was a message from the West lying under the Srebrenitza, that was to force Aliya ceasefire, if not " Serbian Army will kill most of the Bosnians when they are going to retreat and the whole world will watch this !" Such an effective message...

 

Quoting slavica

 Armegon,

 

After elaborating chetniks, will you please go and search and elaborate mujahideens and ustashes. Then you will maybe realize that it was a CIVIL WAR in Bosnia, where all three sides had their extreme forces, and where all three nations - Muslims, Croats and Serbs - were killers and victims in the same time.

 

If you were a bit more interested in suffering of all sides in this horrible war, you would know that there was not only Srebrenica that happened. 

 

 



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

262.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 01:12 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

It had nothing to do with Muslim or not... The Dutch don´t see Serbs or Bosnians as Muslims and Christians. From the perspective of most Dutch people, they were pretty much the same... 

 

Barba, if you want to know how Dutch soldiers see Bosnians at that time, just see the picture below, graffiti that written by Dutch soldiers on the wall of army barracks in Potacari, Srebrenitza, was made poster by a Bosnian artist Selja Kameric, were those ones to defend Bosnians and awarded by Dutch government later?

 

80% percent of the city was muslim Bosnians, when the UN generals bowed down the Serbian threat, they signed a treachery that Bosnians will never forget. That is such a horrible treachery; UN soldiers distributed uniform, vehicles and weapons to Serbs, and Serbs who were wearing UN uniform, intorduced themselves as UN soldiers and killed the disarmed Bosnian youngsters, children, women and men. Again on the wall of Dutch barracks, it was written UN-United nothing, clearly explains everything...

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

263.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Jul 2010 Sat 12:58 am

Barba, do not try to fool me please, more or less i know the situation in the Netherlands. The Netherlands is one of the main country who support and protect these terrorists. I do know that how pkk terrorists are racketeering and threatening the Turkish people there. There are lots of pkk bureaus in the Netherlands which is masked as Kurdish culture centers or with other names when you go inside everywhere is covered with the posters of terrorist leader, these bureaus are acting as terrorist collecting centers. In Dutch parliament there are Ducth politicians who protect them intensely, when one ask about these bureaus, they start to talk about human-rights, no one can touch them in the Netherlands such a heaven for pkk terrorists, you know there is always way to legalize something...

 

Quoting barba_mama

To Armegon. Yes, I remember the camp in Holland. It was rolled up with great police force. The action was all over the news. I think the mistake you make in your logic is the difference between having supporters IN a country, and having the support OF a country (in the form of government). I am 100% sure that there are PKK supporters in Holland! Any country that has a large enough population of Turkish Kurds has this problem. However, this is not the same as the government supporting PKK. Otherwise the Dutch police wouldn´t have put so much money and effort in finding out where the PKK camp was, and they would never have closed it, and they wouldn´t have locked up everybody who was in the camp.


 

 



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Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

264.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 05:47 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

And if you choose to believe Bosnians were a bunch of nice folks whom blood-hungry Serbs decided to wipe off the face of the earth for no reason, it´s your choice. I believe the guilt is on both sides and that both sides suffered.

 

Its not about Bosnians being nice folk or all Serbs being murderer. I think nobody said all Serbs are murderers, just go and search the sologans of Cetniks, you will realize why they had done this and what this war was about. Here it is told what happens in Europe, how they turn their face to hummanity when the victims were muslims.

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

265.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 05:38 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

So, what are the actual facts that link Israel to PKK, instead of hear-say and vague camps in France? (I don´t know why a French camp was brought into this, but hey, I´m showing that I read the thread ) And like I said before, hear-say doesn´t count. I can claim here that the Turkish government has plans to take over the world, through Koç holdings, but my words don´t count as proof. Even though I´m a scientist {#emotions_dlg.computer}

 

Saçmalardan seçmeler...What do you expect? Do you want them to declare they support PKK? Of course they will do it in secrecy since they declared it as terrorist organization. Every people in that region knows that US and zionist regime providing pkk and pejak with training equipments and weapons, many Turkish officials and Iranian officials mentioned these many times, as far as i know an American journalist wrote this in his column. If not enough terrorist leader admitted that many countries in EU and US & Israel support pkk directly or indirectly, in case you prefer to believe in terrorist. It is very well known that mossad was training Kurds since 1966. And Barba do you know that a terrorist who had trained in pkk camping in Liempde in the Netherlands, carried out the bombing in Ulus/Ankara, caused 12 civilians killed and 70 people wounded...



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

266.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 05:24 pm

Daydreamer, i dont understand what you are trying to defend here, despite hypcracy of Europe, many Europeans also ashamed the events in Srebrenitza and the war that has started by Cetnik racist Serbs. And the events in the Srebrenitza was an ethnic cleansing, it was in front of the eyes of Europe and UN. It was well-known that Cetniks would do a masscare in Srebrenitza at that time, that is why UN troops was there to defend civilian muslim population but they didnt move their finger when Cetnik army reached to Srebrenitza, there is more to come, they picked off the weapons of Bosnians, and they handed over Bosnians who were asking for sanctuary to Serb murderers, some requested back their weapons since they realised they would be given to Serbs, and it was refused, they even helped Serbian convoy when they were out of gas, and after all finished they celebrated masscare with Cetniks. Good paid soldiers right? They even did not give the weapons of Bosnians in order to create peace. 

Now the truth is the hypocracy of Europe, when there was a legitimate defence of Bosnians against Cetniks, UN troops was always there to stop Bosnians, but in Srebrenitza they didnt move their finger. So now you can continue to bury your head under the sand, continue to try to justify Cetnik Serbs and UN. That should be so hurting i guess...

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

 



Thread: HOLOCAUST

267.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 01:13 am

 

Quoting lemon

Dear Aalaa, no offence taken by me. And I apologise if I have offended you by my emotional comments. You may have had those ideas from the different sources and believed.

I have withdrawn from this subject and calmed down a bit.

My regards to all.

 

 

This is the most polite & virtuous lemon i have ever seen since i registered to TLC...

 



Thread: What is the best turkish names ?

268.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:50 am

I like Çiğdem, Sıla, Ebru, Beyza, Naz for girls & Tayfun for boys...

Anyone heard a girl name "Simla" before?



Thread: english to turkish translation for a family member-private

269.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 03:03 pm

Send it to me if you want and if it is not urgent, i can try to translate...



Thread: PLEASE HELP YENI BEBEK :D

270.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 03:01 pm

Tebrik ederim, güzel bir oğlunuz olmuş.



Thread: English - Turkish Translation Please

271.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 02:51 pm

Merhaba,

Doğum günü dileklerin için teşekkür ederim, önemli değil yoğun olduğunu biliyorum. Senin ve Ömer´in hasta olmuş olması beni üzdü, ancak şimdi ikinizinde iyi olduğunu duyduğuma sevindim. Bu e-postaları Onur yazmıyor ama itiraf edeyim yardım alıyorum. Türkçe´yi oldukça iyi anlayabiliyorum ama Türkçe yazmaya ve konuşmaya çalıştığımda doğru olmuyor ne yazık ki.

Özür dilerim Murat bazen sinirlerine hakim olamıyor. Keşke biraz daha aklı selim yazabilsem,senin benim için birçok kez yaptığın gibi seni rahatlatabilsem.  Eminim o tekrar işe başladığında bu da geçecek. Eğer biriyle konuşma ihtiyacı duyuyorsan, biz her zaman senin için buradayız, sadece bir çağrı bırak veya e-posta yolla yeter.

Kendine iyi bak, seni ve Ömer´i öpüyoruz.

Quoting amateur

Hello, Please could someone translate the following for me, I´ve tried to do it myself but know that i´m wrong, thank you in advance.

 

´Hello,

Thank you for the birthday wishes, it´s ok I know you´re busy. I´m sorry you and Omer have been ill, but i´m happy to hear you´re both ok now. Onur isn´t writing these emails but I must admit I am being helped. I can understand a lot of Turkish but if I try to speak or write in Turkish it´s not correct, unfortunately.

 

I´m sorry Murat is sometimes losing his temper. I wish I could write some wise, comforting words to you like you have done for me so many times. I´m sure it will pass when he gets settled into working again. We´re always here for you if you need to talk to someone, just make a missed call or send an email/message.

 

Look after yourself. Kisses to you and Omer from us.´

 

 



Thread: He found the love of his life while learning English on the internet

272.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:49 pm

Woow, i dont know that you have a Turkish cousin.{#emotions_dlg.razz}

Quoting barba_mama

It happened to my Turkish cousin. He learned English through dictionaries, and went online to practice. He met a lovely German woman online, and they fell in love. When she went to Turkey they had some problems understanding eachother. My cousin had learned to read and write English, but to talk English was a different thing His pronounciation was horrible. But a few years later, he speaks perfect English and a bit of German. She speaks perfect Turkish. They are married for 2, 3 years now and have a pretty baby girl

 

 



Thread: He found the love of his life while learning English on the internet

273.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:48 pm

Telat ve Olfa´ya mutluluklar...



Thread: what is your favorite members

274.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:15 pm

Thanks for those who see me as one of their favourite member, you are my favourite too . And i have to confess this site very much helped me to become nationalist... {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Edited (7/16/2010) by armegon [spelling]



Thread: Should Türkiye (Turkey) be ready to join European Union (EU) ?

275.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:09 pm

Oh Barba please, i guess no one is accusing the whole Dutchs. But the role of Dutch general in this massacre cannot be denided, below is the photo shows Dutch general having champagne with Ratko Mladiç after the exchange;

 

Quoting barba_mama

First of all, the Dutch didn´t "deliver" the people to the enemy. 



Edited (7/16/2010) by armegon



Thread: another tragic event

276.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jul 2010 Fri 07:04 pm

It is not about peace or Kurdish rights or Kurdish identity. This is something else that Kurds were promised that is why there is public support, it is very clear since BDP(former DTP) parliaments declared that Öcalan is their leader. PKK established in 70s in other words a way before the Diyarbakır prison unlike the claims of our so democratic and liberal intellectuels mention that this prison created PKK.  At first they were picking off one boy or a girl from each house in each village to raise them as militants on mountains, any family rejecting this were being killed, so if you were Kurd and didnt like pkk, your punishment was execution of you and your family. Yes, pkk is a terrorist organisation and its supporters and sympathisers are no different than them, even they were forced, their aim is peace or what?? Weapons are in good harmony with peace, right?? Aim is surely not peace or Kurdish rights or Kurdish identity, as i told in my previous post, they have got many benefits as well since pkk is the biggest drug-smuggler of the middle east, there is a big unearned income there, which terrorist organization wants to give up this?

Anyway if we come to our day, we are now living a phase of legalization and justification of PKK, also with the great effort of ruling party of Turkey.  In this process the massacres of terrorist organization are also trying to be pinned on Turkish army via the help of Ergenekon theatre and the proponent  media in order to justify pkk terrorism. Most Kurds see Öcalan as their leader even their extensions in parliament points out him to negotiate not themselves.  So what do they want? Only the Kurdish rights? Do these terrorists live on the mountains like an animal just to obtain Kurdish rights? Do they take the risk of being killed just because they are not educated in Kurdish?  Absolutely not. There is another motive. Turkish people have been injected for years that Kurds are our brothers, ok most of us see them as brothers, but what about Kurds? Same is valid for them? There is big Kurdification ongoing in this region since 70s, actually it is spattered the whole Turkey especially the big cities and the touristic areas.

What happened in the latest period  with the famous Kurdish opening? Now TRT is 24 hours broadcasting in Kurdish, there are departments of Kurdish Literature in Turkish universities, Kurdish newspapers, magazines, journals, books are being published more than before, there are Kurdish language courses(even they do not attract anyone), Kurdish Institutes, Kurdish charity funds etc. It seems all of these are not enough to satisfy Kurds because people are still talking on TVs, newspapers, everywhere about “Kurdish problem”. Now what else left?  Maybe only Kurdish education in public schools.  Do anyone think PKK cease fire and “Kurdish problem” will be solved if this also accepted? Never!  This is not the main issue of course, do not try to fool yourselves.  What they want is, in the first step PKK and islamist Kurds(AKP supporters) demand a federated region similar to one in Iraq which compasses East and South East of Turkey. I think you all can guess what will happen if Turkey accepts this. Terrorist leader in İmralı also emphasized this clearly in his map route solving “Kurdish problem”. This murdered was begging to Turkish state during his judgement that he was now under the command of Turkey, he would do anything for Turkey, even he was crying that his mother is of Turkish origin. I told this to see in which situation is in Turkey now.  Anyway addition to these one more reason  why pkk wont cease fire is of course the money, pkk is a big holding, picking off huge amount of money from Turkey and Iran pass points by extortion or directly smuggling.

And as for the priorities of West and AKP was firstly to justify PKK terrorism, they firstly planned to disarm some group of terrorists and make them capitulate but of course they were promised to be free, even some of them proposed to live in European countries, other ones planned to be integrated with Barzani forces who is in my opinon legal pkk. The rest continue to smuggling and would be hold as a threat to Turkish Republic. But when the first group of terrorists welcomed like heros by Kurds which caused a big reaction in Turkish society, first attempt of the plan was badly failed. And now it is in the period of sagnation.  Pkk attacks started agin heavily because it seems Turkish government is not able to fulfill its promises. One of their other plan was also to free the  terrorist leader so that he could be the president of federated Kurdish region in Turkey, similar to Barzani in Iraq.  AKP tried this very hard in every year of their rulership, i remember people are calling AKP as “Arab Kurdish Party” at that time.

Actually main aim is to create a new tampon Kurdish state in the region to secure the petroleum and of course the Israel as a project of middle east.  But since AKP could not get along good with Israel and fulfill his promises to Kurds, it is now in sagnation as i mentioned, there are some changes taking place in Turkish politics during this period. Lets see what will happen in future, especially after elections.

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

277.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2010 Mon 01:28 am

Yeah in the first position it seems offside, they missed, i dont know if it could be categorized as what they call passive offside. Anyway before the goal, referee also missed the corner after Holland´s freekick, how come he missed i dont know, it was very clear, and turning ball became Spain goal. When Spain counter-attacking before goal, i was thinking that Holland should have made foul but they did not, big mistake, you have one player missing and just 4 minutes left. 

Moreover Heitinga did not deserve second yellow card, Iniesta acted well as he always does. Imo penalty shoot out would have been fair to determine the winner. And no need to mention Arjen Roben missed two important chances, i guess he cannot sleep for one week, pity for the Holland...

Quoting barba_mama

What caught my eye was the Spanish offside before they made that goal... Too bad it didn´t catch the referee´s eye!!! {#emotions_dlg.get_you}

 

 



Thread: another tragic event

278.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 01:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I know. It is not Armegon we know.. But there is also this theory that we, Turks have a kind of societal schizophrenia and in this, we would like to present a solidarity to the world and say ´A´ but in our close circuits we say the truth, ´B´. I guess he felt really comfortable writing in tc and thought no need to lie anymore
Ok what is the lie here? The lie is ´Kurds do not support their own Kurdish party which does NOT see PKK as terrorist´.

 

TheH this for you, below is what i said one and a half years ago, during our discussion, and that time it seems i was surprised, you mentioned this openly for the first time;

Quote:

But i do know you have respect for terrorists. Then why dont they really voice it publicly? I think it is the most suitable time. Are they ashamed of something? Actually i have to agree maybe the first time with you on this issue, many of them support terrorists in someways. I just voiced the general view that "But most of the Kurds in Turkey do not fancy with pkk".  One of the interesting thing i realized that none of Kurdish friends that i recognized in my life support these terrorist, actually they clearly curse them except some complaints about Turkish government.

 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

279.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 12:29 pm

 

Quoting lemon

Armegon (son of Japheth),{#emotions_dlg.lol}

You are a typical Turk. When you talk to a Turk you will smell it from a mile that he is a Turk. You know why? Because all Turks (I mean turkic nations) are pan-turkists. It doesnt have to have a negative connotation though.

 

, what can i do? God created me as a member of Turkish family . We are all relative at the end {#emotions_dlg.lol}



Thread: another tragic event

280.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 11:52 am

Anyone show me that i praised PKK, i will happily delete my post...Wink 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

281.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 11:45 am

Now a short story why Cingiz did not become muslim;

Arabs struggled much to make him muslim. If he had accaepted Islam, in a short time the whole central asia would have been muslim. One day a Arab delegate visited Cingiz tent to invite him into Islam, and a conversation between them ;

- Great Cingiz we are here to invite you into Islam.

- What is Islam you are talking about?

-  It is a religion annunciated to whole humanity via our prophet Muhammed Mustafa.

- And what is the prophet you are talking about?

- He is the chosen messenger of the Creator of universe.

- Can be. I am also representative of Tengri here.

-But you were not revealed a book from God. We have Quran revealed to our beloved prophet.

- What it is written in your book? Summarize please

Arab delegate read surah Ihlas and Cingiz requested it to be translated into Turkish;

-" Say:He, Allah, is one, God the eternal, the uncaused cause of all being, He begets not, neither he is begotten; and none is like him"

After listening it, Cingiz laughed and responded;

- Have you just learned this? We know and apply this for one thousand years. Now you can leave.

 

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Thread: another tragic event

282.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 11:27 am

Scalpel, i understand what you are trying to say, but i do know what i am talking about. Please tell me what is the big difference between AKP & BDP? Werent those the AKP parliaments who met with terrorist leader im İmralı to get a deal? And they are still denying it. As i mentioned before, AKP is much more sneaky and dangerous. Isnt the PM of Turkey one of the co-president of Middle East project? And he is proud of it. And i was generally talking about the Kurds in that region. Its all about money and people´s benefit. I hope you had seen people when they were welcomimg terrorists, or you had seen people in Lice or people in Van or people in Hakkari, Yüksekova etc. PKK is a vital spot for them, they were too much spoiled by the Turkish governments especially the latest one, now it came nearly to a uprising. I said 2 years ago in this forum; when terrorism again accelarated, this are the good days of Turkey and it seems i was right. The Kurds in that region use PKK as a threat tool if they do not get anything that they want from the Turkish authorities, so why do they want PKK terrorism come to an end? They do not pay tax or electicity-water bill etc, they are taking agricultural aid from government even they dont use it in agriculture. Each child who came to school age are paid money monthly, when money was a little late, parents theraten school management that they wont send their children to school. Smuggling is also vital for them, because of terror chaos and absence of authority in that region, smuggling become more easy. Now think about what will happen if terror came to an end in region. By the way this is the one point im talking about, i didnt talk their other supports.

And theH, i am same as before, if you remember, maybe the first time i agreed with you when you openly said that terrorists are supported by Kurds...

 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

283.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 12:25 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

If it became known that Khan had babies for breakfast he would stop being a Turk overnight

 

There are hearsays that Cingiz was ordering his hungry warriors to eat enemy´s girls, so barba beware of Turks and Mongols...{#emotions_dlg.razz} {#emotions_dlg.lol}

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Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

284.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2010 Sat 12:08 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Never heard a name like this. 

 

If you can google or in FB, you can find Turkish people with name "börte", but yes it is not a common name. By the way as a clarification börteçine does not mean blue wolf, it is special name given to the blue wolf in the Turkish legends...

 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

285.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:40 pm

börte is still used among Turkish girls as a name which means endless blueness of sky, to me things are clear as well...{#emotions_dlg.razz}

Quoting lemon

blue wolf in kazakh is kok kaskir. grey wolf is bori kaskir. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}  I wish I had time to continue, but I am in a hurry plus I cant be really bothered. To me things are clear, we all are from Noah´s sons. We all are relatives.

 

 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

286.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:33 pm

This sunday is the anniversary of Srebrenitza holocaust which caught my eye in a newspaper. In my opinion Srebrenitza showed off the real face of civilized Europe, in this modern age and in the middle of Europe...

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Thread: Paris & Miss Turkey!!

287.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 11:31 pm

 

Quoting Unmei-de-Lange

 

You all should know who Miss Turkey is, of course!!

 

Miss Turkey was followed with more interest before, but not now, ask any Turk who was Miss Turkey 2008, very few can answer this question, example is me , who was Miss Turkey 2008? in which miss Turkey competition and on which channel? Smile

 



Thread: another tragic event

288.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 08:06 pm

Ok doğrucu barba, i know generalizing is not good... {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting barba_mama

The PKK has support, but saying that MOST of the Kurds support PKK is wrong. You have NO evidence to back up that statement, and it only helps the division of people who are living in one country.

 

 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

289.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 08:04 pm

Sources are from Cengizname and a research book from a Turkish professor named Zeki Velidi Togan. By the way have you ever heard "börteçine" before? It was the name of the blue wolf in Turkish legends, "ergenekon yurdun adı, börteçine kurdun adı" Wink. And yeah he can be Kazakh if you want, he was speaking Kazakh language...  

Quoting lemon

 

 

Now as you said A, now be ready to say B. Back this up! Any source?

The name Borte doesnt sound Turkic at all.

 

 

Everyone, shut up! {#emotions_dlg.rant} He was kazakh!

 

 

 



Thread: Gengiz Khan and Turkic people?

290.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 07:11 pm

Not so much important if he is genetically Turk or Mongol. But in language point of view he was speaking Turkish to delegates but he also knew Mongolian, some historians say he was introducing himself as a Turk in his speeches to army and many of his warriors were from Turkic nomads. Chinese records say he was from the Sha-To family which is one of the branches of Göktürk family. His bureaucrats are of Uyghur origin, his mother was Kirghiz, his first wife was from Turkic tribe, his son Ogeday only knew Turkish that he was saying his father was always speaking Turkish with him. He used wolf as a symbol whereas Mongolians were using dog, etc...

The Turks who had embraced Islam at that time like Oghuzs hate him because he massacred millions of muslims, so it was better for them that he had known as a Mongol.

Quoting barba_mama

And I also said that from a language point of view, the famous Khan was a Mongol.

 

 



Thread: another tragic event

291.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 07:01 pm

Who cares that researchs? Were you thinking that they would say they were supporting PKK openly at that time? In past many similar researchs had done in order to emphasize the Turkish & Kurdish brothership and to help Turks sleep. But now people do not swallow these lies. Actually it was well-known but people were afraid to voice it especially Kurds, every action done secretly. But with current Turkish government, they dont need to fear anything, and they know it very well, so now it can be easily observed that most of the Kurds support PKK and they have a voice in parliament which is BDP. Now Turks also observe this when terrorists weolcomed by a whole city or when whole city attended the funeral ceremony of terrorists with their slogans. The latest slogan came from Yüksekova which is " PKK is pubic and public is here" as you see they now can say this openly without fear, similar to other slogans that are praising terrorist leader even Seyh Said etc. Have you ever seen a terrorist organization living for years without public support??

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 Research shows that most Kurds do not support PKK... so... there you go I posted the link to the research a while back, too lazy to look it up. It was done by a Turkish University if I remember correctly. It showed how the majority of the Kurds didn´t support PKK, and how the majority of the Turks thought that Kurds do support PKK.

 

 



Thread: another tragic event

292.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2010 Fri 12:20 pm

BDP is a Kurdish fascist party that using democracy and human rights as a cover and as si++ mentioned it is right that they are extention of PKK but it is also right that most of the Kurds support PKK, under threat or not, nothing much changes. Turks and Kurds are brothers is such a big baloney...



Thread: Another new game - Famous Turkish Landmarks

293.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jul 2010 Sat 11:10 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

Nemrut  -  Trabzon: Sümela Monastery . . . Wow!!

 

I would really love to take a tour of the Black Sea Region.

 

Niğde-Kümbet Smile

 



Thread: Change in TC admins

294.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jul 2010 Sat 10:06 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 

 

I sometimes read your column.  {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 

 

{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: Turkish songs game

295.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jul 2010 Sat 10:05 pm

Türkü: Çamlar altına

Çamlar altına aman aman

Çamlar altına

Giyinde kuşan gel Naciye´m

Güller altına

 

rest is here, im lazy to translate...

 

Quoting nifrtity

thanks for all who is like my game

Kartenni si gibi nazlı

kuş kana du gibi kırık

delicat as a snow flake

abroken wing like abird

song:Ihlamurlar Altında

Singer:İntizar

 

 

 



Thread: Özil & Co.: Germany’s cosmopolitan team

296.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jul 2010 Sat 09:57 pm

I respect his choice. Btw he is my townsman, i should realise this from his technique...

Quoting vineyards

Özil is a German citizen who chose to play for Germany when he was eligible for Turkish National Team. In my opinion, he is no different from any other German player and I certainly won´t move a finger to support his team. I am even a bit pissed off with the way he defended his choice, he said no one invited him to the Turkish National Team when this was not the case.

Why do we have these tournaments among nations? It is because it is fun watching nations compete with one another. What kind of competition would it be if Turks played for Germany and vice versa?

 

 



Thread: New essays about Turkey and Turkish Culture

297.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jun 2010 Mon 12:30 am

 

Quoting Unmei-de-Lange

It is very common to see two men walking with their arms around each other or sometimes even holding hands. It does not say anything about their sexuality; just that they are very close friends.

 

Two arms around eachother ok, but holding hands not so common, actually i havent seen till now two men walking around and holding eachothers hand, it is open to gossips , i think author confused with Arabs...Wink

 



Thread: The Bible in the context sexuality

298.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 03:52 am

{#emotions_dlg.lol} I know the parable dear, but in parable God orders, right? I just tried to help you to understand but it seems i failed...  

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Actually it´s not an order per se. It´s a parable about one ancient guy not having come  inside his brother´s wife and being punished for that. If that´s the way army officials give orders then I´m surprised army has that much power in Turkey lol

 



Thread: Pınar is gone

299.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 03:20 am

One more info; according to results of census of population in 1927, Kurds were 8% of the population which approximately 1 million. Now they are nearly 18%, very good population of a race which claimed to be assimilated and oppressed. Till 1960´s the cities as we call Kurdish like Van,Diyarbakır, Ağrı, Bitlis the populationf of Turks 60%, interesting, huh?

 

Additionally Diyarbakir´s Bismil was established by the Basmil tribe of Turkmens. The center of Diyarbakır was a Turkish speaking city till 60´s, many important writers, artists were from there, and majority was Turks but today in center of Diyarbakır Turkish population is just 10%. It seems Turks very much assimilated...



Thread: Pınar is gone

300.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 02:41 am

Big fallacy to say, south-eastern Anatolia is the land of Kurds. Armenians, Romans and Assyrians have right to say this but Kurds not. In history, there is not a trace of Kurdish culture, Kurdish monument defined in this area. The existence of Kurds in south-east Anatolia starts with Sultan Selim, before then the whole area was called Turcomania, in other words land of Turkmens. The land of Kurds were between the north-east of today´s Iraq and north-west of today´s Iran, up to south of Van lake, not more, but sout east of Anatolia never been the land of Kurds.



Thread: Pınar is gone

301.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 02:25 am

 

Quoting Yersu

 

Aside from that, neither Turks were here from the start nor Kurds. Most Kurdish populated areas of today belonged to Armenians and Assyrians. They were gradually replaced in some areas by first Turkmen arrivals, do not forget that Diyarbakir was once the capital of a Turkish Atabegh state.

 

 

Regarding Diyarbakır Kurds were replaced to there before 1071 by Arabs to provide the domination of Islam, those are Mervanis and Sheddanis, and its right they were Kurds but in those lands as you said Assyrians and Armenians were living, very important point, Kurds were not majority, only the leaders are from Kurds, those were the puppet states established by Arabs. It is like Memluk state which located in Egypt, only the leaders were Turks. It does not mean then Egypt is the land of Turks because of Memluks and it does not mean South-East Anatolia is the land of Kurds because of Mervanis simply.

 



Thread: Pınar is gone

302.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 01:58 am

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Edited (6/14/2010) by armegon [double post :)]



Thread: Pınar is gone

303.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 01:58 am

 

Quoting mylo

Personally I think there is a Turkish problem why should Turks live in Turkey?

 

Exactly , problem is that, many disturbed by this, Greeks claim western Anatolia is their land as well, so mongolic Turks should return to Central Asia ...



Thread: The Bible in the context sexuality

304.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2010 Mon 01:41 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Armegon - how can you state which interpretation is wrong or right? You may or may not agree with it only Unless, of course, you wrote the Bible and know the correct interpretation

 

 

DD, i know it is hard for you to understand{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}, if you think about once again, thats an order from God not open to interpretation actually, if you dont do what He orders He says you will be punished, that is all. But God does not say directly "Using contraception is forbidden", this is your interpretation, and he does not need your interpretation. If you have chance to serve in Turkish military, im sure you will understand what i mean , there is only orders, not interpretations to assure the dicipline...Wink



Thread: The Bible in the context sexuality

305.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2010 Sun 05:17 pm

It is all about interpretation, it can be interpreted in both ways, Onan didnt listen to God, and because of disobeidence to God, he was punished or using contraception is something bad forbidden by God so God punished him. But i have to say lemon´s interpretation is correct and direct, other interpretation is something like adding words from your own that God did not say something like that which is not much welcomed in religous teachings, indirect interpretation...

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

I know what I´m talking about, and you´re saying it too but interpreting differently. Onan was supposed to take over his brother´s maritial obligations - have sex and have a child. What he did was to have sex and use contraception (withdrawal) -> so, he wanted to have sex but he didn´t want a child. This sounds like a "contraception is bad" idea that Bible conveys. Are there any places in the Bible that say "have sex and enjoy it, having children is not the objective in marriage?" No? I thought so

 

Any quotes saying God considers marriage private and intimate and doesn´t interfere?

 

 



Thread: Relief ship stopped by Israeli Navy

306.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2010 Sun 01:11 am

 

Quoting oeince

Tell them not to give the aids to wrong people, they wont give the aid to innocent 10 million Kurds or 250.000 Armenians who are comfortable in Turkey.

 

They will give to PKK as usual!

 

That what thehandsome expect from Israel

 

, Right, Turkey welcomes them if they are sincere but smells provocation. Anyway their government has been helping, supporting, arming PKK for years. How cheap each time they play the Armenian card, Armenians also disturbed i guess, if they really want to help, we have too many illegal Armenians in Turkey, they can take them and give job to them.



Edited (6/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: All about Bible, Jesus, Christianity - you are all invited!

307.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jun 2010 Sat 10:55 am

It is ok, i cannot have problem with anyone´s belief, it is their business. i only tried to tell what i read, im not an expert in Christianity. In fact many muslims do not have knowledge about Paul except the one who are dealing with theology of religions. And also i have no problem with Paul, people decided and will decide about him and eventually God will judge him...



Thread: Pınar is gone

308.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jun 2010 Sat 10:45 am

I posted the remarks of TSK in what caught my eye thread, it is written with different sytle, which is more emotional than the other statements of TSK;

 

 

Quoting si++


Pınar Akdağ

 

 

The beautiful and lovely Pınar, 22, wife of a lieutenant for only 40 days, who was shot in the head during an attack by PKK terrorists passed away in the hospital.

 

Quoted from: here

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

309.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jun 2010 Sat 03:50 am

http://www.tsk.tr/10_ARSIV/10_1_Basin_Yayin_Faaliyetleri/10_3_Bilgi_Notlari/2010/BN_65.html



Thread: All about Bible, Jesus, Christianity - you are all invited!

310.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jun 2010 Sat 03:37 am

Quote:

What blur points? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

Blur points are the Gospels and their authors. The first Gospel claimed to be written by Mark, was put down on paper around 70 AC. This Gospel was in the hands of Christians with unknown wirter till around AC140, it is claimed that the first one who pointed out this Gospel belong to Mark was the Hierapolis patriarch Papias. According to Papias Mark hadnt heard any of them from the Jesus but he was telling what he heard from apostle Petrus. But there was a problem that is the identity of Mark was unclear, there were two Marks mentioned in New Testament and there was no evidence that these are the same Marks, so as the testimony of Papias and so as the Mark´s Gospel. Thats one of the blur point.

The other two synoptic Gospels Matthew and Luke attributes to Mark, as they show Mark as source, in Matthew it was added some new imformation that it claims Mark didnt know. Gospel of Luke claimed to be written by the personal doctor of Paul is also in parallel with Mark.

And the last Gospel John which is claimed to be written by apostle John, (the author being apostle John is not accepted except the ones who strictly believe christian dogmas, moreover there was no evidence that it is written by apostle John, thus in the history of christianity many sects refused that it was written by apostle John and declared it untrustable.) is quite different than first three, its style is different much symbolic & mystic. Most of the contradictions in New Testament are between John´s Gospel and the other three. Actually i believe this Gospel´s aim is to helenize Jesus so that it could be acceptable in the eyes of pagan Roman people.

Paul played an important and strong role of further discipleship. But he is not the core of Christianity. He merely was a tool like others were. He called himself a servant of Christ. He was a pharisee of pharisees, a real Jew, appointed apostle to gentiles - such a paradox - illogic thing to say.

With your word  Wrong ! not only important role, actually the whole New Testament shaped according to mind of Paul, it is also clear from the Gospels. Thats why i say this is the religion of Paul.

Lets first clear out one thing. Who are the Nazareans you are talking about? The Jews who followed Jesus were not only from Nazarea.

On his way to Damascus where he was heading to persecute believing Jews with his letters from the high Priest Annas. He was blinded by Jesus and was called to serve Him. For three days he didnt eat and drink until he received his sight back. From that time he earnestly started serving Christ and spreading the Good News about salvation (described in Acts).

Im talking about the people who were following the real apostles of Jesus, Nazareans or not, nothing changes, Jesus´s brother Jacob is one of them. The story you told also written by Paul as well, no other source to confirm this event. In fact he was far away from the belief system of Nazareans but he saw himself in upper position than the Nazareans. He told to people he was chosen when he was in mother´s womb, it seems he had a big ego. He believes that he got divine inspirations from Jesus. Thats why he hadnt talked to community of Nazareans for three years, possibly he thought he didnt need anyone to understand the message of Jesus, during these three years he went to Arabia and nobody knew what he did there, possibly he created this belief system during this period which was later accepted by the counsil of Nicesia under the effect of Roman emperor and all others called heretic.

If you have good arguments for this, bring it on. If you are repeating after some people, then I think you shouldnt touch it. Paul was not in conflict with the gospel or with the message of Christ. He rebuked Peter for his hypocracy. and that is all. (again described in Acts)

Basically im telling what i read and belive it to be the truth, and if i am repeating someone else, i dont care. Of course Paul cannot contradict with the belief system which he created. But he was very angry with the ones who were telling a different Jesus from his own;

Corinthians 2-11:4-5: For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye recieve another spirit, which ye have not recieved, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For I suppose i was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

Corinthians 2-11:12-14: But what I do, that I will do, that i may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

There had been a big contention between him and Jacob. He had argued with him. It can also be observed in his letters. 

They did speak Aramaic, but they too spoke Greek. At that time Greek was the international language like English today although it was the Roman Empire. This was the hellenised area. The majority of people could speak, read, write in Greek. It was also the language of business, arts and philosophy.

Accepted but these people´s mother tongue was Aramaic however Gospels put down on paper with a quite good Grek which seems strange. 

The Gospels circulated among the first Christians as they were written from one church to another. They were sealed and titled as the gospels from those authors. I suppose they personally knew those apostles and did not need the confirmation as they received those gospels from the apostles themselves.

All of them circulated among christians for years with unknowm writers. The question arises here; why none of these authors abstained to mention their names in their books? And why in other texts of New Testament there is no such situation? Even in the last chapter of New Testament Revelation, writer name is mentioned.

Wrong. The gospels are not the biography of Jesus, but the records of Jesus ministry, his messages and his deeds.

Its not only Paul but also other apostles who delivered such messages. Paul actually was the strict pharisee who was persecuting those converted Jews for spreading the messages about the salvation through the cross.

 

I didnt understand your very last sentence.

Simply the Gospels are telling the life of Jesus, so why cant they be called as biography? The thing i say that all these Gospels and New Testament filtered by the mind of Paul since they were mostly in parallel with Paul´s belief system, other ones which opposed to this labeled as heretic, either detroyed or erased from the pages of history.



Thread: All about Bible, Jesus, Christianity - you are all invited!

311.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2010 Fri 04:57 pm

It is not that easy actually many blur points. New testament consists of letters of Paul who is i think the real prophet of Christian religion. The interesting thing is; Paul had never seen Jesus of Nazareth in his life, in fact at first he was a big enemy of Nazarenes who were the real followers of Jesus, but on his way to punish Nazarenes, something happened near Damascus and he declared himself as the follower of Jesus. But the Jesus he was telling, was different than the Nazarene people that they knew, so he had arguments with these people which is clear in his letters. The other interesting thing is; apostles and Jesus himself were talking the language of Aramaic like the Jews but the Gospels were written in Grek nearly 70 years after the Jesus´s dead. Furthermore there is no sign or evidence that these Gospels were written by for instance Mark, it does not say " I am apostle Mark/Matthew/Luke, and writing these" however in letters of Paul, Paul greets people declaring himself as a messenger who spreading the gospels from God. So it can be said the new testament which are actually the biography of Jesus filtered by the thinking of Paul which is the basis of christianity and the faith only depends on the Jesus´s suffer on cross. The writings which oppoesed to these declared heretic by Church.

 

Quoting lemon

As for New Testament. Its easy, you dont have to be an expert. Each letter has its own author. E.g. the gospel of Mathew (the former tax collector personally called by Jesus) is one of the 12 disciples (or apostles).

Gospel of Mark - another disciple of Christ, but not one of the 12. He was in an outer circle, but still close to Jesus.

Gospel of Luke - joined disciples after resurection.

Gospel of John - one of the 12, the beloved disciple of Christ, lived longer than all the 12 apostles.

 

Enough?

 

 



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

312.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:40 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

If you like/approve/agree with someone´s post but don´t feel the need to reply with another post you can click on the ´like´ button as you did on your own post.

 

After refreshing the page your nickname comes up as ´liking the post´.  To remove it just click on the ´unlike´ button which has appeared.

 

Ahh ok thanks for clarification ...



Thread: Volley news

313.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:37 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

But your new coach is more famous. He is currently the coach of the Brasil women´ National team.

 

I know but it will take time to adopt the system of new coach. Jan de Brandt was the coach of team for a long time and he was very successful, dont know why he left, players adopted to play in his system very well...



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

314.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:32 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

God created everyone and everything except evil. 

 

Interesting and i agree. God did not create evil, in our disobedience we create evil. But again all is from God, by free will which is given by God we use our ego, pride and selfishness to create evil.



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon



Thread: Volley news

315.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:23 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

But you have lost Yekaterina Gamova who was very effective last season. I am not sure the newcomers can compensate her.

 

Yeah right, herself wanted to leave but her shirt waiting for him if she wants to return. Lets see how this will affect the team, coach also left the team...



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

316.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:20 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

Be real. God is not only Love and Mercy, He is also Wrath and Justice.

If He was just God of Love and Mercy there would be no sufferring, no tears.

 

 

Right ! There would be no hell, no divine justice, no need to have faith etc as well in that case and also "unconditional love" & "God is love" concepts totally fail, at least that is what i understood{#emotions_dlg.unsure}... 



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

317.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:15 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

 

Jesus is the salvation and the only way to God. If you have problem with this, then you have problem with Bible not with me.

 

As far as i understood this is absolutely true according to christian teachings that Jesus is the only salvation not deeds...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

318.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:08 pm

Whats the purpose of "like" link which appears at below right corner of your posts? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

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Thread: Volley news

319.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:05 pm

 

Quoting si++

Fenerbahçe SK women volleyball team will become more strong with the transfer of Kasia Skowronska who is expected to sign today at 15:30.

 

Fenerbahçe SK seemed very strong for the completed season. They won the Turkish championship and lost the European Championship in the final. This year they are aiming to win the European championship as well. So they transfer some big names. Earlier this week, they also transferred Christiane Fürst.

 

Quoted from: here

 

FBSK also transferred Lioubov Kılıç which is one of the best opposite hitter in Europe. Actually when FB become popular, win cups in any branch of sport in Turkey, that branch also become popular, rivals try to transfer good players in order to pass FB just like VGSTT and Eczacıbaşı, and because of this that sport branch develops. You know FB is the most hated and also most loved sports club in Turkey Wink

 

In women basketball FB transferred Diana Taurasi, Penny Taylor as well, after then GS transferred very famous players from WNBA, but it seems it is not possible for them to pass FB again next year...  

 

 

 

 



Thread: What happened to Burka thread?

320.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2010 Fri 11:08 pm

Only once i skimmed through that thread yesterday and the last post i saw was from girlegirl containing heavy personal insults to spritzer. If spritzer deleted for personal insults in forum, girlegirl must be deleted too with same reason. Just my understanding...



Thread: What happened to Burka thread?

321.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2010 Fri 03:29 pm

Who provoked?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

Quoting bydand

I think spritzer went too far. 

 



Thread: New Generation in Turkey

322.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2010 Sun 01:48 am

What a righteous remark , i dont know these, thanks for your intstructional post {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

Quoting barba_mama

What a grumpy old man remark

The same stories come from middle aged men from Holland, England, everywhere actually. When they were young, everything was better. I think every generation has its lazy people, rude people, respectless people. And I also think every generation has people who do show respect to the elderly, do help people out, and do have intelligent discussions about politics and such.

Every new generation of middle aged people says the same thing about the younger generation.

 

 



Thread: New Generation in Turkey

323.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2010 Sun 01:38 am

They are called " tikki, emocu, zalım" among their friends and their number increasing day by day... {#emotions_dlg.scared}

Quoting vineyards

 

We now have a young generation who do not care about anyone else but themselves. They simply don´t read, know or discuss enough. They have no problem with the way the world is. 



Thread: Got anything to declare? :)

324.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2010 Thu 01:03 pm

 

Quoting lemon

A perfect slave thinks that he is free!!! {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

 



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

325.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2010 Tue 11:05 am

 

Quoting lemon

May the force be with you? {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

Yolculuk nereye ?



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

326.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2010 Sun 01:22 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 Which "education" are you talking about? The levels of education in Europe vary, and the education systems in Europe also differ very much. So what are you trying to say with your previous comment, if you are not talking about such basic education like reading and writing?

 

I think she meant education is not only reading or writing. In preliminary i remember we got grades from behaviours against people- contacts with people, dicipline etc, i dont know if its still ongoing properly...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

327.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2010 Sun 01:11 pm

 

Quoting lemon

what are they saying here?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFokHdFQGCQ

 

 

 

It is the ritual of three candidates who wanted to be accepted in freemasonry fraternity. In the beginning it says this video schocked Turkish people( I dont remember actually )and freemasons who havent reached the higher degrees yet. It says; deciphering the scerecy of the freemasonry lodge which keeps its secrecy till 1737 & showing the real face of masons via this video, had been talked many days in Turkey. After then firstly candidates were introduced and they vowed that they would keep the secrecy of lodge, and rules of freemasonry told to them, they vowed that they all would adhere to that rules. And lasly they vowed that they would work for freemasons and for their aims. Thats all...

 

Two of them were electrical engineers... {#emotions_dlg.scared}



Thread: Famous Turks

328.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2010 Sun 12:59 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

How bizzare you are!!! so shameless!!!

 

As if there arent enough Turks.

 

They are realted to Persians because Persia had a great impact on Turkic nations through education, culture and religion. Most of them thus claimed to be partly Persians. You made me angry claiming that they were Turks. They were not!

 

As far as i know Uluğ Bey & Farabi are of Turkic origin and there are speculations about İbn-i Sina. Why does it make you angry? I dont understand. With the influence of Islam, being muslim was enough, nationality remained in background at that time...



Thread: Noah´s ark

329.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2010 Sun 12:20 pm

I agree, actually gokuyum´s last post deserves a good reply but i wont do it after scalpel´s balanced post. No need to say more...

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 Should we go down on our knees before you and begging to be forgiven? You sound like a little boy saying, "everyone blames me". You really don´t know what are you talking about. You say, "you don´t want anybody to criticize you". How do you like to be criticized? Shouldn´t we approach others with criticism in the same manner in which we would like to be criticized? I hate to bring a debate to a personal level. It is clear that you see no objection in doing so.

 

Coming back to the ark. You are free whether to belive or not. But how can you say, "one day when this ark thing is explained as fake". You are even not aware of the difference between faith and science. If I am muslim and believe in Quran, and if Quran says the ark exists, how could you make me believe otherwise? Science requires answer while faith does not. You are constantly talking about Science, but, please don´t be offended, you don´t know any about it.

 

 



Thread: Noah´s ark

330.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2010 Sat 12:44 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 You misundertood me again. According to documents even some Jews and some Christians believe it is on Judi Mountain. Maybe by saying Ararat Torah mentions Judi Mountain. Shortly it must be found on Judi Mountain according to Quran not Ararat mountain. So this whole think is a fake according to Quran and by defending the opposite you are declaring Quran is wrong. Deal with it. You lost the discussion. Be brave enought to admit defeath. Don´t make wordplays. I showed you many documents. Last document was a killer. ( http://www.testimony-magazine.org/back/sep2001/benson2.pdf) Accept the defeat honestly. I am defending Quran as an agnostic but you try to prove it wrong. What a weird world.

 

You actually dont know what you say. I dont defend anything and where did i declare Quran is wrong? Again hallucination?I just said Quran does not tell exactly what al judi is, people interpret this as mount Judi, many Islamic scholars say the same, do they declare Quran is wrong? Shorly it can be on today´s mount Judi according to some scholars but according to some it  is not clear where it was rested.

 

Lastly gokuyum, sorry to say but it seems you dont know anything about the subject. It can be clearly understood from the quotes in your post, how can a follower of science put those here as a quote? Besides there was no discussion because you were unable to answer any of my questions except quoting some nondescript heresays here.  In my opinion you as a big follower of science should stay away from this kind of topics otherwise yourself damage your forever science charisma here badly... lol

 

 



Thread: Noah´s ark

331.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 11:53 pm

Good for you gokuyum, at least you reached what i said after a while...{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Quoting armegon

 

Moreover at one time the name Ararat(Assyrian Urartu) was used for the region which compasses also mount Judi...Wink 

 

 



Thread: Noah´s ark

332.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 10:05 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Most of the Islamic academicians belive it must be on Judi Mountain. I showed you my documents. I don´t have more to say. Believe what you believe. I don´t believe such an Ark has ever existed. Have a nice day.

 

Most of the Islamics?? In fact none of them can clearly say it was on today´s mount Judi, all were talking about possibility because of nearness to Mezopotamia.

 

Here is what famous Elmalılı said in his commentary;

 

"Cudi: Engince bir dağdır ki, Musulda denilmiş, El Cezire´de, Amid´de, Şam´da denilmiş. Ebu Hayyan diyor ki, Cezire´de veya Amid´de denilmesi Musul´s yakınlığı dolayısıyladır. Bir de denilmiş ki, Cudi her dağa söylenebilen bir cins ismidir."

 

So you just voiced a myth which rooted on people´s mind because of mountain´s name, nothing credible and nothing more. And obviously i wont ask you what i believe in or not...



Thread: Noah´s ark

333.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 07:10 pm

 

 

I guess you dont read as well, does this clearly says and proves its on mount Judi or talking about possibility?



Thread: Noah´s ark

334.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 06:22 pm

Sure you have problems of understanding, you have blinkers maybe, such bad for a man of science. Why do you think in the commentaries you gave Yusuf Ali, Pickthal, Shakir or any others; some put directly word mount before Al judi, some in paranthesis, some never put it? Let me tell you, because there is not an Arabic word there that means mount, so these are the commentaries of translators. But linguist say al judi is not necessarily points out a special mount name, it can also mean "high place or hill". How do you know when the Quran revealed today´s mount Judi is also called as mount Judi? Addition to these one more info for you, for hundreds of years judi was the name of a ridge on mount Ararat. There is also al judi in Saudi Arabia. Now tell me how can anyone discredit Quran since it does not tell what al judi actually is? Meanwhile where did i say i believe it was rested on the mount that all we know today as mount Ararat? Who said that i believe it was on the mount that people expect to find today? And where did i say the remainings of Ark can be found on Ararat or any mountain, or really can be found? All your hallucinations with your blinkers?

 

By the way the commentary about the explanation of region Ararat was by Muhammad Asad, islamic scholar and linguist, not my invention, so who knows better? Below is another commentary by Shabbir, read the paranthesis at the end;

 

"And ark came to rest upon the Mount Al Judi. And it was said, " Away with the opressors of the weak."(The ship came to rest at Judea, in the hills of Ararat, east of the Tigris river)

 

Quoting gokuyum

 



Thread: Noah´s ark

335.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 03:18 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 According to Koran Noah´s Ark should be on Cudi Mountain not on Ararat. 

 

 

If you had researched a little bit of Quran before saying this, you would have known that the word "al judi" is not necessarily pointing out a particular mount name, the Arabic word "judi" means "high place, hill".  So that the word "judi" can refer to waters reaching only a certain level of height not covering all the land. In fact Quran never says its a global flood, and punishment was only for the people of Noah not all people. Moreover at one time the name Ararat(Assyrian Urartu) was used for the region which compasses also mount Judi...Wink 



Thread: Askerlik düşecek mi?

336.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 01:42 am

News says the similar thing that you mentioned in your first post, briefly it says Turkish parliament will disscuss to reduce the 15 months period of army duty to 9 or 12 months...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

337.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 01:34 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

aaaaa? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_h0CblQ0sg

 



Thread: Three more suspects arrested in rape allegations

338.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2010 Fri 01:32 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 I know you did...but a question...aren´t you afraid of being labelled as "racist" by those who already labeled yersu..?

 

{#emotions_dlg.lol}  I am a little famous with that label here, and members who agreed with me, are also subjected to be called with that name calling...



Thread: Three more suspects arrested in rape allegations

339.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 04:05 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Since when telling the truth is racism?

 

 

I asked the same question tooWink



Thread: Three more suspects arrested in rape allegations

340.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 03:25 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

I don´t see anything wrong with posting this, however I think the area and the ethnicity involved should have been clearly mentioned. I have said this before in threads about honor killings, passing these off simply as "Turkish" is misleading.

 

 

Exactly !! you said this before and immediately labeled as racist as far as i remember...{#emotions_dlg.lol}



Thread: Latest Good Movies

341.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 03:11 pm

I have just watched a movie called The Fourth Kind  and going to watch Shutter Island & The Road...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

342.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 03:07 pm

So you experienced the fourth kind??

Quoting lemon

 

 

shhhhhh! I was abducted! {#emotions_dlg.ninja}

 

 



Thread: Statics

343.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 03:05 pm

statistics right?? Static reminds me static electric

Quoting gokuyum

Statics don´t lie. 

 

 



Thread: The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish

344.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2010 Thu 02:59 pm

A standard doğrucu barba post

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

lol, what a comment... Like all Turkish guys are saints who don´t mess around behind the backs of their wives. It´s not like every Kurd has a 5 wives Ladies always need to be aware, because any guy can go with a lot of women. Yes, there are Kurdish guys who have several wives. And yes, there are also Kurdish guys who are not with several wives. I guess you had a bad experience, but don´t discredit millions of men (all the Kurds, Arabs, Nigerians and Afghani men) just because of that experience.

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

345.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 11:30 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Ha ha ha ha......this thread really has taken a LOT of twists and turns, convulutions and I don´t know what. All I can say is I´m utterly amazed at the directions some of these threads can take. 

 

This word reminded me mathematics, signals & systems, Jean-Baptiste Joseph Fourier, harmonics  etc



Thread: Famous Turks

346.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 11:27 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

I love his work...but wonder why you posted information regarding him in this thread on falous Turks....and...exactly what work of his are you reading? I´ve only read his Muqaddimah.

 

 

Ibn Khaldun......

 

 

Yep he is tunusian, he also worked on theory of evolution.  



Thread: what caught my eye today

347.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 02:44 pm

Stephen Hawking warns over making contact with aliens



Thread: what caught my eye today

348.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 12:39 pm

A big fight between a Saudi woman and a Masri man caught my eye. Both hit & insulted to eachother. Masri man is sure in big trouble, because hitting a woman big crime, and woman will decide what will be the punishment, after then 100 percent man will be deported...



Thread: T to E

349.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 12:29 pm

Just curious !



Thread: T to E my attempt :-)

350.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2010 Tue 12:26 pm

Turkish people usually say "Geç kaldım"...



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

351.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2010 Mon 05:48 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Hmm, and in my bible studies they always said that Jesus said he was the son of God, and he himself never actually stated that he WAS God. I guess I need to dust my bible of again, to find that passage in which Jesus said the believe in Me or go to hell comment.

 

If you dont mind, i will also try to answer this. I am not much knowledged about christianity & its doctrines. But regarding what i read about christianity, i think your question is related to doctrine trinity which is such confusing, in other words not only bibles and gospels. So your question is related to term "triune and or trinity" means "One God in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". None is greater than the other, none is dissimilar in substance than the other. In that case Jesus is also God and in that case what lemon said is truth according to principles of christianity. Christians please correct me if i am wrong ...



Thread: Famous Turks

352.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 04:29 pm

Why do you need to edit your post? At least we were seeing a real face behind the world of dreams.

Quoting gokuyum

 

 



Thread: Turkey´s Eurovision Song for 2010

353.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:28 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 how is this song reflecting Turkish music?

 

 

Not reflecting, but many countries do the same. I think its a trend.

 

In my opinion TR will get the position at best 8th at worst 9th. {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: Got anything to declare? :)

354.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 12:35 pm

lol I am always open to new point of views , give it a try, but if you realized, its very hard to change my views, since 2 years im here, no diversion in my views, i always defended the same thing...

Quoting lemon

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}  I will re-brainwash you!

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

355.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 12:31 pm

 

Quoting lemon

how do i know what?

 

how do you know about millions of years? what millions of years? where? {#emotions_dlg.eeek}

 

Since human kind had gifted thinking and intelligence, they make inventions, thats what i meant by savings.

 

 

didnt you know that westernization means TV, radio, phone and Internet. and the west holds the patten for that?

 

No, i didnt know that , but i know many liberal Turks who interpret westernization as modernization.

 

 



Thread: Got anything to declare? :)

356.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 02:08 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

If you saw what I saw you may change your mind, but maybe not?

 

 

I have my definition of feminism once you awarded it



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

357.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 02:05 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

now you got the bug of generalization!

 

on my part I say to you we kazakhs do not have any significant scientific or artistic contribution to the world.

and I dont have a complex of that. So what? people know more about gypsies than us kazakhs. so what?

 

How do you know that? Im talking about millions of years of savings, not only talking about modern age. It should be generalization of course ...



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

358.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:44 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

go back to my previous post. I talk MORALITY.

 

most of our technological inventions we too owe to japan, korea and israel, miss!

 

Actually all of them are the savings of humanity, cannot be attributed to west, east or any nation...



Thread: Got anything to declare? :)

359.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:41 am

Yeah i realized the change a while ago, but i think feminism is not something bad



Thread: what caught my eye today

360.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 01:37 am

Barba, you got it wrong, you asked what is the big deal, i answered societies are disturbed by homosexuality mostly, it is unlogical to say people do not affected by this, every change in environment affects people. To say the truth im not an expert in this issue, i havent got homosexual friends like you, of course i have seen many of them, how they live, behave etc but dont know anyone personally. However i have witnessed many people & society complaining about homosexuality, they believe and fear that it has become a trend that would affect the society in moral way, thats why i used the simile of kids taking examples of their friends who have bad habits(maybe not a good one). Thats why maybe lemon also said that being gay is popular in UK, because teenagers who are not truly born gays somehow emulate the life of homosexuals and at least they want to try once which affects the society.

 

I just tried to bring out the views of many people, never said it is wrong or right. And i didnt say homosexuals have no morality. I have seen also people who think hmosexuality violates human rights by disrupting the integration of a society.  That society is made up of families. Anyways i personally do not promote or condemn it. Just this.

 

And lastly instead of making sarcastic comments, you should consider that not not everyone need to think like you, freedom of thought, it does not mean those people want to kill all homosexuals. Wink 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

361.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 12:15 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Because it sounds exactly my previous deleted post which was not politically correct. 

 

Ok, if you say so, inform kitty ...

 



Thread: Famous Turks

362.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:55 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

Wow, I think this post must be deleted because it contains racist comments!

 

 

 Why? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 



Thread: Famous Turks

363.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:32 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I´m not impressed by him being a gypsy, just like I´m not impressed by anybody´s ethnicity. You have to do something more then just being born to impress me.

 

 

It sometimes work when you play the oppressed one, actually it usually works in TR, so it is normal for me to think like this since the guy raised in TR, sorry then



Thread: what caught my eye today

364.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 11:26 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Perhaps, but two men (or women) being in a monogamous relationship will not have a negative effect on you. It´s not contagious or anything (The homosexuality... ohw, if only monogamy was contagious, that would save so many heartbreaks )

 

It always affects people, its like your kids hang out with their friends who have bad habits, and you are worried about them...



Thread: what caught my eye today

365.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2010 Sat 12:54 am

Peoples are social entities thats why they built up nations thus they are affected from eachother, i think thats the deal... Wink

Quoting barba_mama

I never got the big deal behind gay marriage. Just because you give your neighbor the choice, it´s not like YOU have to get married to somebody of the same sex. If two consenting adults feel like they want to marry eachother, then what is the big deal?

 

 



Edited (4/24/2010) by armegon



Thread: Famous Turks

366.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2010 Fri 11:47 pm

I am sure you know the answer, but what is the purpose of asking this? You try to say Jews are greater than Turks? to humiliate? A prejudice against Turks that they were not able to raise a prominent people to win a nobel? , you know as turkaturk said Turks are easily offended {#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

By the way, has there ever been a Turkish Nobel price winner, besides Pamuk?

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

367.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2010 Fri 11:43 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

In my opinion, a lot of good people are gypsies but since it´s not stamped on their head people assume they are not gypsies. They don´t fit the stereotypical view of a gypsy. I once met a gypsy man in a Türkü bar who was an amazing drummer. He went to the conservatorium for music, and he dreamed of taking his international music career a step further. A very nice, educated and good man. He also said that he would not mention to most Turkish people that he was a gypsy, because people would immediately make assumptions about him and would start to treat him badly.

 

So he was suddenly convinced that you were not a prejudiced person at your first meet and decided to tell you that he was a gypsy . I guess he was just trying to impress you. Im sure people who knows him, knows that hes a gypsy, actually Turks can understand it from his eyes, these kind of things are hard to be hidden in Turkey. By the way what did you think of when you first travel to Turkey? No prejudice? Because i think every thinking mankind has prejudices in his/her mind, its sometimes true sometimes not...



Thread: Famous Turks

368.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2010 Fri 11:36 pm

-lemon

My statement: My expression is what i saw.

Your satement: I know they steal and cheat but...(All like this im not a christian but...)

-armegon

Good to know you talk about your experiences, so do i

it is shaped in many years even centuries due to observations...

 

 

-lemon

not all the nations are equally contributing to the world.

-armegon

not everything is equal...

 

It seems we were telling the samething, so you are not convincing.

 

Besides lemons not for cooking but for squeezing... {#emotions_dlg.yes}

 

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

hahahaha

 

cook me if you can

 

in which parts I dont sound not convincing? {#emotions_dlg.shy}

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

369.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2010 Fri 11:36 pm

...



Edited (4/23/2010) by armegon [double post :)]



Thread: Famous Turks

370.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 04:07 pm

lemon, you are not convincing definitely.



Thread: Famous Turks

371.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:44 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

To be convincing that the majority of people have prejudice you should have looked at both sides. Both people that have prejudice, and people that don´t. I have experienced enough people in Holland who think I can´t do certain things because I´m a woman. However, this experience doesn´t prove that the majority of Europe has a prejudice that I can´t be good at math

 

Why do i need to look both sides? I asked what the prejudice against Turks is and i tried to reply. And its not only experience but years of savings of people´s thoughts.

 

I´m sure you have encountered prejudice. So have I. So has everybody on this website. But you´re just looking at people who hold a prejudice, and say "this proves my case!". You are on a "rotten apple hunt". A few rotten apples at a fruit-stand doesn´t prove that all or the majority of the apples in the fruit stand ar rotten. Hatred has a bigger impact then love in our memories. You don´t remember that guy in the shop who helped you when you dropped your groceries. You do remember that men who called you a bad name in the street. It´s as simple as that.

 

Why do you need to make up  such  a story? Instead you can say you are generalizing, i can understand that too . Of course it is not like mathematics or solid data, it is shaped in many years even centuries due to observations, experiences or other effects(religion, leaders or propogands). And we are talking about prejudice against Turks not to others, definitely there is prejudice against many people/nations too, for instance Europe has a point of view of Spanish and Europe has a point of view of Turks. Each are different, i say Turks are not such brilliant comparing to others , whats wrong with that? These point of views formed in people´s mind in centuries due to factors i explained above. Thats what i am talking about, no one can go and ask every individual in Europe about what they think about Turks and say "this prove my case", its not natural also. Me didnt say that one too even you and some other tried to twist my posts, im only mentioning years of savings of European and Turkish people. Thats all...

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

372.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2010 Thu 02:21 am

 

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

 

I agree.

 

My experience is that most of the Turkish people get offended too easily, so that they make their and everybody else´s lives harder.

 

Good to know you talk about your experiences, so do i Smile

 

 

You shouldn´t give a crap what other people say about a nation or a religion which you may be a member of. Why? Because you can never change somebody´s point of view with an argument or a discussion. Not for good. So why wasting your time nagging about it?

 

No one is trying to change other´s point of view, i said there is prejudice against Turkish people, and you asked " what kind of", all initiated like this. So i was not nagging, was just trying to answer your question with my and other people´s experiences. If you see it as nagging, why are you asking? Dont complain about it simply. 

 

We are all individuals. Stop making up reasons why life suck and take things in your hands.

 

Yep we are all individuals but we are living in societies also.

 

If you as a minority in another country (forum) are respectful, smart and nice, at least one person a day would think that your nation (religion) is so friendly, educated and magical. That´s how it works.

 

You know its very hard to break up the prejudice, so people maybe want to stay away from you, that is how it does not work.

 

And for crying out loud, why don´t you stop Googling and start using your brain for giving birth to your own thoughts?

 

You know google is a miracle tool, once you mentioned, if you want to learn other´s opinion from many sources. So i thought i bothered people here so much with my  thoughts, decided use google as an option like many do, you as well instead of using your brain, you google my quotes source ... 

 

 

 



Edited (4/22/2010) by armegon



Thread: Famous Turks

373.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 06:58 pm

 

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

From a documentary in 1992 directed by Bozkurt Palanduz...

 

"McCarthy´s work has been the subject of criticism from book reviewers and genocide scholars. According to Israeli historian Yair Auron, McCarthy, "with Heath Lowry, Lewis´ successor in Princeton, leads the list of deniers of the Armenian Genocide." Among other criticisms, he has been accused by Colin Imber of following a Turkish nationalistic agenda. McCarthy is a member of, and has received grants from, the Institute of Turkish Studies. According to Richard G. Hovannisian, Stanford Shaw, Heath Lowry and Justin McCarthy all use arguments similar to those found in Holocaust denial."

 

See? Everybody can find funky things on internet. So.. whatever!

 

 

 

So what do you expect? Its true everyone can find anything on net, so what will be present here to show something? Personal experiences, other peoples opinions, what else left?  No one is able to find an objective source, because then i can question the reliability of Yair Auron and Richard G. Hovannissian, just easy to google. And it is very normal that Mccarthy appreciated by Turkish nation...Its like these are genocide deniers so these people are not reliable and their survey is nothing but garbage... All surveys are garbage, because you can label anyone with anything...

 



Thread: Famous Turks

374.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 05:40 pm

 

Barba below is the quote for you from university professor in US who made surveys about the issue;

 

"I have been working on a book, and on other materials on the image of Turks in America. In other words, why Americans feel the way they do about Turks, and what they feel about Turks. The material we found is very depressing.

 

First of all, there were surveys that were made in the 1930s and the 1950s in America, just asking people, university students especially, asking them what they thought of various peoples, asking them what they thought of Turks and of Japanese and of Germans and of Jews and of various identifiable groups of people. Most of the prejudices that people had given out were pretty much exactly what you would expect. You know, Jews were thought to be very commercial, blacks, the prejudices against blacks were exactly the kind that you always would see, people would consider them to be lazy or something like that. Prejudices against Orientals, it’s very strange because the Japanese were not at all considered to be good businessmen or manufacturers or anything; (in fact) in the old days, they believed they made very slipshod things, they talked about “made in Japan” was an insult.


So those prejudices have changed. People now have fewer prejudices about the Jews, fewer about the Japanese surely. Not necessarily more liking. In the surveys we see now you see, for instance, that often times the Japanese are more disliked for different reasons. But the prejudices aren’t as strong.

But the one group that always holds out in the prejudices is the prejudice against Turks. In the early surveys, when people were very willing to say what they really thought in the 1930s and the 1950s, you asked people to say what do you think about people? They gave them a list of about eighty words and they got to pick. The words they picked for Turks were “vicious,” “very cruel,” “sadistic,” “licentious”...

 

Quoting barba_mama

 



Thread: Famous Turks

375.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 03:45 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Does he also hate Turkey?

 

Dont play with words CW please{#emotions_dlg.shame}



Thread: Famous Turks

376.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:53 pm

 

Quoting lemon

gokuyum and barba very much convincing!

 

S++ and armegon not convincing at all

 

thank you {#emotions_dlg.ty_ty}

 

Comparison from an expert, i know how you think ...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

377.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:51 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

I dont think parents are bad. From the video it looks like they are not bad, they lost a control over their children.As most parent they wish good to their children.

The government took the authority from the parents and schools. children cannot be punished in the positive manner. and then suddenly we have monsters who cannot control themselves.

 

and believe me this is not a fiction.

 

I dont know if the programme helps them. they spend a week only in other families. you cant change within a week.

 

Ok thanks , I dont mean literally bad, they seem bad in fulfilling their parenting & taking control of their kids. Woow what kids are they, no respect to anyone, all kinds of bad habits, nightmare{#emotions_dlg.wtf}...



Thread: a question you´d like to ask other tc-ists

378.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:12 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

this one:

 

Discovered an interesting programme "the strictest parents of the world".

loving it.

recommend it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/BBC3ProgrammesInHD#p/u/136/5E-W6ktuJhA

 

 

Interesting, does this help the kids? It seems to me fictitious{#emotions_dlg.unsure}, and why parents need to show how bad parents they are?

 

I watched a similar program ITV channel about a professional nanny helping out mums who couldnt look after their kids?

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

379.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 02:06 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

A problem in Texas where same sex couples who got married in another state, can´t get a divorce in Texas..

 

Why do they not go to the state where they got married, is it forbidden by law to change the location?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: Famous Turks

380.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:52 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Yes, there are enough people that don´t like Muslims. Just like there are enough people who don´t like Christians. Check youtube for videos of those Christian infidels and see the remarks under there! That doesn´t mean that all non-Christians hate Christians. Youtube and internet forums are not a right reflection of reality. Otherwise, when my friends and I would be walking down the street we would all be attacked for being Hindu/Muslim/Jewish/Christian girls. There is ALWAYS somebody out there who hates you but rolling around in that victim role, saying that everybody hates you never ever helped anybody.

 

What if i tell you about the Turkish people´s experiences, or some foreign academicians that say the same thing, or some surveys, does it reflect the reality barba? If you want i can do it. What you want me to prove this prejudice?

 



Thread: Famous Turks

381.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:47 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Are you joking? "Armenian" word makes "Armenian seed" an insult. We don´t use "döl(seed)" as an insult. Oh my god. I can´t believe you. I will never argue a thing with you. "People see what they want to see". This is my last post about this matter. I proved every word i said. You are bending logic. Have a nice day.

 

Yeah we dont use only " döl" as an insult, we used two words to make it insult "ermeni dölü", is it so hard to understand? The word "ermeni" is used for "Armenians" the people who live in Armenia...



Thread: Famous Turks

382.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:45 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 This proves my theory. "All people has egoist natures" Most of people thinks their nation is the best on the world.

 

Not everything is equal, havent you learned this in school?

 



Thread: Famous Turks

383.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:38 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 Si++ says it is not widespread to use "Armenian" as an insult. This is not true. I blame all nations and people. I don´t blame only Turks. But si++ tries to make an exception for Turks. This is not true also. Turks also insult other nations. What don´t you understand?

 

 

Yes thats correct, we dont use "Armenian" as an insult, we use "ermeni dölü" as an insult, but many use word "Turk" as an insult according to si++



Thread: Famous Turks

384.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:35 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 So you think this makes us or Serbs or others innocent?

 

No, i just said its valid for many nations...



Thread: Famous Turks

385.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:30 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Some Turks use "çingene(gypsy)" word as an insult too. It is accepted saying "çingene" is an insult like saying "nigger". Instead of "çingene" sensible people use "roman" For example some says "Çingeneler gibi kavga ediyorunuz [ You argue like gypsies ] " It is an insult. Don´t you agree?

 

 

This is valid for many nations, no need to be mentioned especially for Turks, go and say Serb "gypsy", see what response you got...



Thread: Famous Turks

386.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:28 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Yes, i think so for "Armenian" word. People use "Armenian seed" as an insult. It is widespread. 332.000 results in google prove me. But you see what you want to see. You blame other nations easily. You don´t care if they use "Turk" as an insult widespread or not. I blame all nations and all people. You make an exception for Turks. Why? I like Turks. I feel as one. They saved my ancestors from Russian genocide. I am very grateful. But i should always speak the truth. I advise you to do so.

 

You should blame yourself as well, you accused si++ not saying the truth, what lie he told here simply? You should point it out. As many said here, Turks are not angels, no exception, so what your point? Its just tried to be proven here, Turks are not much welcomes in many countries because of prejudices and added it is not comparable to any other nation, and thats mostly depends on the opinions of people who are in contact with foreigners, and observations. If you dont believe, go and check some surveys in some foreign universities about "what nation of people do you want to meet?", of course Turks got the less votes because of our bad reputation which is spreaded by some propogands. Go and try to live in abroad, you will realize how is it, if you are a Turk of course...



Thread: Famous Turks

387.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 12:52 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

You seem to forget Turks use "Armenian" as an insult. Some says to a person who they hate "Armenian seed" This is a big insult for Turks. Also some Turks say "Kıro"(impolite, ill-mannered, rude) to Kurds. So main point is no nation is better than other. Don´t fool yourselves. All humans have an egoist nature. No exception.

 

Kıro is used for anyone not only reserved for Kurds actually, similar to "maganda", used for males who dress ridiculously mostly, at least that what i understood from its usage, but yeah its a Kurdish word. 

And i agree "ermeni dölü" is counted as big insult between Turks, if you say a Turk "ermeni dölü", be ready for undesirable responses...



Thread: what caught my eye today

388.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:22 am

I know you are not that stupid, but just a try, forgive me...

Quoting catwoman

 

 

But would it be smart of me to tell you this..? {#emotions_dlg.noway} {#emotions_dlg.doh}We love contrasts and drama.. so let´s keep it coming.

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

389.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:19 am

By the way i know Harun Yahya is a charlatan, but can anybody disprove the claims in si++´s post instead of bashing Harun Yahya?



Thread: Famous Turks

390.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Apr 2010 Wed 01:16 am

Yeah, Barba raised her finger, objection !{#emotions_dlg.lol} . Yes of course dearest Barba i myself many times cursed those radical hypocrites here and of course they affected the people´s view. But the subject mainly is not that only, 911 is very well used by western media, internet and polticians to intensify Islampohobia even that triggered invasion of Iraq. Now think about who advantaged from this situation absolutely not muslims either in Europe or not. Now Barba, i advice you to go and open youtube page and research how people put some videos about muslims in europe and also read the comments below them, you know people comment there whatever they want, they dont put limit on their feelings, they dont need to be politically correct there because nobody can judge them or even know them easily. Those mostly reflect the views of European people without stint, some maybe joined for fun. Let me tell you these videos implore European people to save their culture and their continent from Europe´s muslim invasion mainly.  And also if you want to see how Turks seen as Arabs by some people, youtube comments will be enough or visit some forums where people declare their feelings about Turks.

 

Anyway this is the only Islam related part now put being Turkish on it, what do you see?

 

It is true that many bad things usually said about Turks by the ones who dont know much about Turks(mostly majority), but it is also true that people usually avoid things for a reason, so they avoid to learn something about Turks because of what they heard about Turks and their history from others or media or politicians throughout their life. Now think about how Turks were mostly described in western movies or serials, they were depicted as cruel characters mainly. Last interesting claim came from an US serial that says Turks burnt İzmir after they captured it from Greks during the Turkish War of Independence in order to wipe out christian community in that city. A wiki link for you about anti-Turkism;

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

 

Finally no nation can compete with Turks about being hated the most, so far we are just a little bit modest about this ...

 

p.s. I mentioned wilders because i thought he was very popular last few months in the Netherlands.

 

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 

 



Edited (4/21/2010) by armegon



Thread: Famous Turks

391.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 03:15 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Which genius told you this crap? Don´t make me wet my pants of laughing, armegon. 

 

That genius is me , i compiled those from what i have observed, researched or learned. So you should read this in WC if you cant keep your pee inside while reading it, seems a good solution to me...



Thread: Famous Turks

392.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 03:10 pm

 

 

 

 


Quoting catwoman

 

 

So you are saying that there is prejudice against Turks because they are seen as the "black people of Europe" because they are seen as barbaric, due to brainwashing..

You are spinning in a mental circle, kind of like "I am Turkish because I was born in Turkey, and because people born in Turkey are called Turkish"!!

 

Im talking about the centuries of brainwashing. What do you think people of Europe thought of Turks in middle ages? This has also great affect today for the people who dont know nothing about Turks. Once a member here posted a link from a foreign newspaper in the thread about a Kurdish girl who was buried alive by her family, have you seen that reader comments below it? Then you can understand what i mean, in fact i think you know it also but just twisting. Besides still many people in Europe percieve Turks as Arabs. Moreover all citizens of Turkey called Turkish by institution. Being Turk does not depend on race. 

 

Quoting catwoman

 

I agree that there is some prejudice against Turks/Muslims in Europe, saying that they are "black people of Europe" is insane, ridiculous, stupid and insulting to Blacks. Muslims in Europe didn´t go through 10% of what blacks have gone through in the US, don´t martyrize yourself, you "innocent victims". 

I havent insulted black people, its the fact that they passed through a racist period in US and i guess there are still many people in US who see black people as second class. And i just likened the black people of US to Turks in Europe, never said they passed through same process, its simply out of logic. So do not twist my words.

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

 Turks were brought to Germany as unskilled workers, they were uneducated, often without primary school education, people, from villages in Turkey. Even in Turkey those people were the poor, uneducated class. So after coming to Europe they still were the uneducated, poor, but also not speaking the languge class! They were foreigners and they felt foreigners.. some of them assimilated by sending their kids to schools and switching the class status, but some became more radical to preserve their identity. Even now, there are communities of Turks in Europe where they don´t speak the language of the country they live in, even being 2nd/3rd generation immigrants. But there are some very successful Turks - rich, educated... etc.

 

I mostly agree with this one, but why do you think they became more radical? Is there affect of European viewpoint of Turks on it?

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

 

It is not islamophobic to criticize those groups, it is completely correct.. but it sometimes lacks the understanding of the bigger picture, like the fact that it´s the US that has funded the first ultraradical, dangerous islamic terrorists in order to spark conflict between Russia and Afghanistan, or that the west is completely quiet and even supportive of the extermination and apartheid of the Palestinians in their own land, or that islamic terrorism has increased after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan because this is their means of fighting back! If they had the most sophisticated army in the world, like the US has, they wouldn´t have to blow themselves up! To some Europeans, Muslims are Muslims, whether Turks or Saudi. Terrorists are still terroritsts and they have to be fought back, but unless we address the underlying issues, nothing will really work against them.

 

If you want to know how Islamphobia created, Wilders(you know very well) of the Netherlands is a good example, he put Islam into trial now in the Netherlands .  Actually Islam itself not really problem, but the problem as i explained before, muslims were always the "others"  that people of Europe once fought in crusades, later colonized them, so the idea of seeing them as victims impossible, it is easier to see them as burden or enemy. Anti-Islamic rhetoric has continuously increased after 911 and because of people like Wilders. And also i had read many articles about how European people began to think since the muslim population in Europe continously increasing. One can feel the fear and Islamophobia in those opinions easily. So the existence of muslims in Europe of course began to be seen as a threat to their western values. Any objection to this?

Quoting catwoman

 

 

It´s the same with PKK in Turkey, you hypocrites.

 

Dont worry i was still not infected by your hypocracy . How you compare simply PKK with islamist terrorists whereas PKK is widely supported by Kurds but those radicals are not supported by majority of muslims? Secondly it is not good to compare Kurds with Turkish/Kurdish minority in Europe since Kurds are not counted as minority though Europe desires them to be counted as minority so that Kurds have right to educate Kurdish people in their native language, but Europe itself doesnt give same right to its minorities in Europe, how hypocrite, eh?

Quoting catwoman

 

 

It is very convenient to live with the ilusion that Turks are martyrs, they´ve done nothing wrong and all the Europeans just hate them for no reason. It certainly is a very lovely political tool that your own government will use against you and your own interests.

These are your delusions actually, i havent said something like Turks are angels. Of course European people have every right to hate muslim and or Turks or other minorities in Europe. And simply tried to mentioned this which is; Turks are not much welcomed  in Europe.

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

393.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 03:54 am

But CW, you still have not explained what kind of trap you planned for me, i mean what kind of answer you were expecting from me to fall into your trap...

Quoting catwoman

 

 

You are so vague and everybody would agree with you, and I can´t point out that you are wrong!! hahah

 

 



Edited (4/20/2010) by armegon
Edited (4/20/2010) by armegon



Thread: Famous Turks

394.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 03:50 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

ok, Agree, cloggies are evil, the evilst devilish europeans. I hate them too.

 

With your saying please do not twist my words , and none can compete with Turks about being evil.Wink



Thread: Famous Turks

395.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2010 Tue 03:48 am

If you want to understand these prejudices, you should firstly look at the history between  Turks & Europe. Turks who are now citizens of the Netherlands, Germany, France, Austria etc for about three generations, are the black people of Europe, second class citizen. If Turks had been christians, i guess nothing would have changed. Because till middle age lots of legends made up by Church or by European leaders & politicians about Turks to brainwash to people of Europe like Turks were described as coward, rude, ignorant type of people who want to annihilate christianity and its followers. So Turks were seen as bad, cruel and thief, a barbarian nation. Maybe thats why Atilla the Hun perceived as a Turk by historians as he tried to invade Roman Empire & Vatican . A kind of Turkophobia scratched into people´s mind, you know its very hard to erase prejudices, Einstein realised this also .

 

And other factor is of course Islam, there is always hate and fear of Islam in Europe, which is much more intensified with 911 attacks. That also triggered and intensified the hostility of Islam & Turk. Because Turk means somehow Islam according to many Europeans. The existence of Turks and muslim minority in Europe which seen as a threat to western values and common European identity has begun to be emphasized much.  Even politicians in Europe used this as a political material to hunt people´s votes creating a Islamophobia via relating Islam with terror.

 

Anyway the bad thing is expat European Turks now excluded by Turks as well but not like Europe of course. They are neither Turk nor European.

 

 

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

What kind of prejudice? {#emotions_dlg.unsure} 

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

396.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 04:45 pm

Ohh i love this guy and his movies, in fact should be listed in the top of famous Turkish actors.

Quoting turkaturk

I have to add one more person to the list!

 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

397.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 04:44 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

You are so vague and everybody would agree with you, and I can´t point out that you are wrong!! hahah

 

{#emotions_dlg.lol}



Thread: Famous Turks

398.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 04:35 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

I don´t understand why people are so fired up about who is being suggested here as a ´famous Turk´. This is not a legal document that will decide about whose education will be sponsored, but just random people posting names of those they find valuable and interesting. I think lemon made a good point that this shows the diversity of who is considered important by whom and it´s very interesting actually!

 

I agree Barba & turkaturk are the members who are so fired up .



Thread: Famous Turks

399.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 04:34 pm

Regarding Atilla being Turkish, its the point of Turkish Republic and the historians, you should better argue with them.



Thread: Famous Turks

400.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 04:32 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

your discussion with barba. her point is more convincing than yours.

have more reliable sources than local cheap populist papers.

 

still love you

 

I havent presented a source about the subject actually(couldnt find a declaration from him about the trial, just presented a source about Turkish/Dutch politicians who suspended because of denying armenian claims), and did not try to convince anyone, just presented my thoughts, i hope you also consider the prejudice against Turkish people living in the Netherlands, like it or not, thats the truthWink...



Thread: Famous Turks

401.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 03:22 pm

 

Quoting lemon

blah blah. you know your points are weak but you keep pushing. why are you so fanatic?

I actually love your posts, even those populist that hold nothing but blah blah.

 

 

Weak about what? Atilla? 

Thank you anyway



Thread: Famous Turks

402.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 03:06 pm

 

Quoting lemon

armegon, give up. if your posts contained some logic I would support you.

 

What do you mean?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}  time to attack?attacking mood ?



Thread: What are you listening now?

403.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:54 pm

İnleyen nağmeler--in memory of FB´s yesterday victory against Bjk ...



Thread: TRT El Arabiyye

404.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:52 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

RTE is dreaming to lead the Global Islamist Empire and that is becoming more obvious each day. He has no vision at all. He has no ideas. He has no style. But a dream of becoming the only leader of Islamic World, starting from the "one minutes(!)" show in Davos. Someone(!) should wake him up from his dream before it´s too late.  

 

wooow {#emotions_dlg.applause}



Thread: TRT El Arabiyye

405.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:37 pm

They are stealing from Jordanian channels.



Thread: what caught my eye today

406.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:35 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

offf... you´re not falling into my trap.. ok, it´s clear now!!

 

{#emotions_dlg.unsure}  what is that trap? please clarify {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}



Thread: Famous Turks

407.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:32 pm

 

 

Lefter Küçükandoniyadis(1925-)--Turkish football player & legendary player of Fenerbahçe Sports Club. He is always remembered with a motto "Ver Leftere yaz deftere" by fans of Fenerbahçe.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefter_Küçükandonyadis

 

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

408.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 02:26 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Instead of hijacking this topic again,

 

I also think it is enough. One last thing for your information there are many famous criminals in the world.

 

Here is another one;

 

Prof. Dr. Türkel Minibaş(1953-2009)--Turkish columnist, academician, economist, she was also activist, founder member of many charity organizations such as Türkiye Korunmaya Muhtaç Çocuklar Vakfı, Türk Kültür Vakfı, Türk Çağ Vakfı, Sosyal Demokrasi Vakfı. Besides she was vice president of "Çağdaş Yaşamı Destekleme Derneği". She was dealing with the problems of Turkish women, she believes enhancing the status of women in society is the key factor for modernization. Hence she studied on women and sexism, published many articles about this. She encouraged students to research and write thesis on women. Moreover she made studies on how to integrate more Turkish women into working life. And she prepared campaigns to enhance the literacy rate of girls in Turkey.

 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

409.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 12:51 am

 

Quoting lemon

you are an idealist or even a utopist, that is the problem. there will never be a perfect turkey.

 

 

 

 

Actually i agree with this one {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: Famous Turks

410.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2010 Mon 12:48 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

His story... yes, HIS views on this. The judge investigated his claims, and found him to have falsefied certain papers supporting his claims that he was fired over a matter of opinion on the Armenian issue. Would you rather believe this one guy who got fired, over a full police investigation? In that case I will mock your opinion, since you opinion lacks any sort of proof.

 

I prefer the believe in the guy because there were similar incidents happened in the Netherlands before, three Turks were suspended by their parties during the elections, the reason is that they denied Armenian allegments.Wink link . I can show you many examples about hostility and prejudices against Turks in the Netherlands, how they put PKK in the category of freedom of thought since it is listed in world terrorist groups, there are lots organizations of PKK in the Netherlands, i know because i have relatives there. Besides what kind of proof you asking for? You cannot prove every pressure on him via sources or documents.

 

Quoting barba_mama

What is a famous Turk? In my opinion, this must be somebody who has impacted many peoples´ lives, or have a large impact on the way things are done even today. A singer can be amongst these people. And no, not all singers and models are morons. What a short-sighted view, to say that people in these entertainment businesses are morons.

 

 

 

Hmm, barba, have you checked the list of famous Turks here given in the links? They are not just Atatürk or Sultan Mehmet. Even i dont know some of them as a Turk. By the way do you have reading? Where i said all models and singers are moron?Its better you should polish your glasses ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

411.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 07:04 pm

I considered Turkish people whose mind was numbed by the one who is  using religion for their own good, the Turkish people who are selling their votes for a piece of goods, the Turkish people who think their own good in the first place instead of society and their future, the Turkish people who was blinded bypropogand via subcons of imperialists, the Turkish people who forgot the meaning of independence, and who forgot how their ancestors founded this republic. These are the things that i observed. I hope it is clear now ...

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I was wondering who you consider ´sleeping Turks´.  I think we can agree that calling oneself Turkish does not guarantee the same understanding of the "seriousness of the homeland´s situation". So what do you think is this seriousness about and what should these people do in your opinion?

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

412.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 03:52 pm

Thanks si++, so many colorful books about the issue, yellow, blue and black. But see how it is interpreted/speculated by some void of reason so-called writers. The number of Armenians subjected to relocation given in the book was speculated by some foreign focuses that supports the Armenian allegements, seems that also affected our so-called intellectuels who likes to apologize so much. I am awating more colorful books then maybe we can complete the colors of a rainbow .

 

Anyway, here is a good blog that tries to answer many questions with sources--->clicky

 

Quoting si++

 

 

See the second photo in this page.

 

Murat Bardakçı published some articles and a book using Talat Paşa´s so called black book.

 

 



Thread: Famous Turks

413.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 12:26 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Seriously... A 25 year old guy, born and raised in Holland who was a student untill a year ago... And the fact that he was, as HE says, fired over this matter is important enough for you to put him in the same list as people like Ataturk, sultan Ahmet, and Sinan? You should check your forehead for a fever.

 

 

 

Yeah, because i decided he is more important than some moron singers & models with his knowledge. Do you not think? And above all that was my opinion. He was in turkis newspapers and i thought he is famous enough. And barba, you should learn how to show respect other´s opinion instead of mocking. Is it your duty here to judge people´s choices?

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

And I say as HE says, because he took this case to court. He said he was fired by the organization for denying the Armenian genocide. In Holland you can deny this all you want. So firing him for this would be illegal. He went to court in Utrecht, and the court found him to have brought FALSE documents to court. After this claims against Armand were brought to the police for bringing in false documents, for slander, and some other minor offenses.

 

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:2YGVzawTGIsJ:www.tnserkin.nl/+Armand+Sag&cd=9&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl

(it´s in Dutch, sorry... use google translate or something )

 

I know you like to go beserk on the Armenian issue, but please keep using your head in this matter. This guy was fired because he and the organization didn´t work well anymore. He couldn´t imagine that they were actually not happy with HIM, so he thought it must have been about the Armenian thing. Made up some lies and went to court. In court, a TURKISH lawyer showed that his statements were false.

 

And, by the way, the organization that he was fired from actually holds demonstrations against the whole Armenian genocide issue, since they say it´s being used as a pressure point in political gains. They are not saying it ever happened.

 

Regarding his story with  De Dagelijksestandaard, he was warned and e-mailed about his writings and requested either apologize for what he had written or quit writing for the site. And that is enough for me to realize how this works work in the Netherlands. Is it also not true that he was warned and requested to apologize barba??

 



Edited (4/18/2010) by armegon



Thread: My opinon on Gumus dizi or Nur series

414.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 01:58 am

Now i think Ezel is their favourite...

Quoting Kate1971

I liked Asi, But what do you think the most popular turkish series has been with Turks, now or in the last few years?

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

415.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 01:43 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

What are sleeping Turks?

 

I thought you know what i mean, those are the ones who call themselves as Turkish but still cannot apprehend the seriousness of their motherland´s and coming generations´ situation.



Thread: Famous Turks

416.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2010 Sun 01:29 am

Kurtdereli Mehmet Pehlivan(1864-1939)--Turkish wrestler, he lived in the village of Kurtdere of Balıkesir. He was one of the first wrestler implemented style known as greco roman wrestling today. He traveled many countries such as USA, France, the Netherlands and Great Britain, he fought all famous wrestlers of his time but he was never defeated(There are rumours he lost to Koca Yusuf when he was young wrestler). He was also wrestling champion of Kırkpınar.

 

Kurtderli

 

 

Narrative: Once Atatürk invited him after one of his victory and signs a cheque for him amount of 1000 Lira with the intention of awarding him. Very good money at that time even could buy a big apartment. Afterwards Kurtdereli went to İş bank in order to cash the cheque, he took his money without any problem but was still waiting in front of the cash clerk;

 

Cash clerk: Why are you still waiting Pehlivan?

Kurtdereli: Will you not give the cheque back?

Cash clerk: No of course, it will remain with the bank.

Kurtdereli suprised & responded: Then take your money back and give me the cheque, there is sign of Kemal Atatürk on it.



Thread: what caught my eye today

417.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 05:26 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

I admire them anyway. KG is one of the poorest post soviet countries. They depend on US´ support and Russia´s oil.

 

 

They are for sure much braver than the sleeping Turks in Turkey, which is very much admirable.



Thread: Famous Turks

418.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 05:17 pm

Mehmet Talat Paşa(1874-1921)--Ottoman diplomat, one of the leader of İttihat Terakki, Grand Vizier of State of Ottoman(1917) during WW1 & a freemason, renowned as the responsible of Armenian relocation after the Armenian rebellions. He was shot in the back by an Armenian in Berlin on 15th March of 1921. The murderer admitted committing the murder, after one and half day trial murderer was found innocent by German court due to he was being under the effect of epilepsy, similar to Armenian later who murdered Behdud Han Cevanşir on 18th July of 1921.

 

His mortal remains returned to Republic of Turkey on 1943 and was buried in Abide-i Hürriyet martyrdom. With a law accepted in 1926, a house and salary were assigned to his family by Turkish Republic. In 1931 Kemal Atatürk talked to his wife Hayriye, admitted that Turks had benefitted very much from the relocation during the War of Independence and promised her to return his mortal remains to Turkey. 



Thread: Famous Turks

419.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 01:53 pm

Armand Sağ- Turkish-Dutch, historian & Turkologist who lost his job in Netherlands because of denying the Armenian allegements...



Thread: My opinon on Gumus dizi or Nur series

420.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 01:24 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Oh, I thought you agreed on her first sentence.{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

Thats also valid.Wink



Thread: My opinon on Gumus dizi or Nur series

421.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 12:59 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

then based on what do you agree?

 

Based on what i heard from Turkish followers, especially from ladies.



Thread: Famous Turks

422.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 12:41 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

You can also think about military heroes like Osman Paşa. In any case, more historical figures.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMKdlK6iros



Thread: what caught my eye today

423.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 11:36 am

The brutality of Turkish?? police caught my eye, the interesting thing is; polices who had beaten Kurdish protesters in Hakkari, suspended immediately, but the ones who had beaten Turkish students who were protesting YÖK & university exams, are still on duty. Till now nothing happened to those...



Thread: My opinon on Gumus dizi or Nur series

424.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 11:09 am

I agree with nifrtity, though i didnt watch any of these series ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

425.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2010 Sat 11:07 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

+1

 

+1 

Kyrgyz people got rid one of the US puppet and a great thief whos ruling the country with a mentality of tradesman, colorful revolts seems collapsing one by one. But unfortunately the ones who is in the power now, was in the same direction with Bakiyev before. I hope they can find a leader who is thinking the people of Kyrgyz not US or Russia.

 

I heard that Kyrgyz people will kick in the butt of the feto´s organizations in Kyrgyzstan, then i will really admire of them...



Thread: Famous Turks

426.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2010 Fri 08:02 pm

I can suggest Muazzez İlmiye Çığ from recent history...



Thread: Famous Turks

427.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2010 Fri 08:00 pm

There are also doubts Ottomans being of Turkish origin then, espcially for sultans after early stages of the state .Wink 

Quoting barba_mama

Marion said "Ottomans or Turkish citizens" ...we don´t have to have any arguement about Atilla since he was never an Ottoman or modern Turkish citizen. Otherwise we could also put Noah on the list since the theory is that his arc landed in Turkey, so he lived in Turkey too {#emotions_dlg.wtf} No pre-Ottoman time people

 

 



Edited (4/16/2010) by armegon



Thread: Famous Turks

428.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2010 Fri 06:29 pm

What did Kültigin did for Turkey then? It seems European Huns found a place next to Turkey and Atatürk according to Republic of Turkey, it is symbolised in the presidental pennant together with 15 state of Turks. Possibly Turks thought their ancestry were Huns. Btw hun means public/human in old Turkish, human in Mongolian as well, some says so...

Quoting turkaturk

But what did Attia did for Turkey? Why do you think that he was a Turkish leader? I wouldn´t put his name next to Atatürk.

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

429.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2010 Tue 03:57 pm

Nurcan Opel- İndim gülün bağına

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqk7NBuwPdw

 

I think she is also relative to Gülcan OpelSmile



Thread: What are you listening now?

430.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2010 Tue 03:54 pm

Gülcan Opel(auntie of popstar Tarkan )- Çok Toysun

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uA0b18xwgA



Thread: Bu kalp seni unutur mu? dizisi / series

431.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2010 Mon 06:10 pm

This series "bu kalp seni unutur mu?" was finalised suddenly as it couldnt pass the required rating barrier.  I had read an article about this series some months ago, emphasizes that sole message of the series demoted to demonstrate the all Turkish military as mass murderers.  What else can be expected if one of the advisor of the series was mümtazer türköne?



Edited (4/12/2010) by armegon
Edited (4/12/2010) by armegon



Thread: Hello, Americans - A Grim Announcement

432.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2010 Mon 05:41 pm

Outspokenly written article... Reader comments are also interesting especially the ones posted by wolf.



Thread: Plane crash in Poland

433.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Apr 2010 Sun 05:30 pm

Russian experts say none of the pilots try to land on Smolenks once more after failing to land twice, therefore some say maybe pilot was pressured to try out once more by passengers.

Quoting catwoman

 

 



Thread: Plane crash in Poland

434.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2010 Sat 01:13 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

My condolences to all Poles. 

 

 



Thread: E- T

435.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2010 Wed 12:33 pm

 

Quoting foka

 Thank you Armegon

 it helps much

 have a nice day

 

cheers

E.

 

 

 

 

You are welcome.

Good day to you...

 

 



Thread: E- T

436.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2010 Wed 01:43 am

 My attempt; hope it helps...

Quoting foka

if somebody could help me with this text, its polish song which u could listen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whNytUK-7MM

 

thank you so much

 

 

" To the cradle"


Live with all strength, and smile at the people
´cause you´re not alone.
Sleep at night dream, may the bad dream never wake you again, sleep now.
May the good Lord always hold your hand,
when the dark wind
takes away the peace spreading sorrow and doubt, remember that...

 

Bütün gücünle yaşa, ve insanlara gülümse

çünkü yalnız değilsin.

Gece uyu ve düş gör, kötü düşler seni tekrar uyandırmasın, uyu şimdi.

Kara yel huzuru alıp, keder ve kuşku yaydığında, Tanrı elinde tutsun, hatırla onu...

(Refrain)
Like a tear drop in the rain, all this world does mean nothing ... nothing
The moment that lasts, it could be one of the best of your moments

Go your own way, ´cause in this is the whole meaning of existence, thus you can live.
Without numbing without fulfilling of useless bad thoughts.

 

Yağmurdaki bir gözyaşı damlası gibi, bütün bu dünya anlamsız...hiçbir şey

Devam eden an, en iyi anlarından biri olabilir

Kendi yolunda devam et, çünkü varlığının manası bunda, böylece yaşayabilirsin.

Hissizleşmeden, gereksiz kötü düşüncelerden uzaklaşarak/uygulamadan.

 

 

 



Thread: T to e

437.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 05:27 pm

 Feel free to complain about my posts to admins then. That´s my mistake i tried to say "all his posts are stupid in the thread after he replied to me" in a teasing way, as i didnt say anything bad to anyone.  And moreover  you should firstly observe the development of conversation in the thread, you can easily realise, its very different than your case dear.Wink

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

Interesting.

As far as I remember dear Armegon, you tried to crucifiy me when I called that moron in the sunglasses an idiot. And now you and all your righteousness are openly insulting Scapel by calling his posts stupid. {#emotions_dlg.lol}

Your are so bright that you make the sun feel intimidated. I am really proud of you! 

 

 

 

 



Thread: T to e

438.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 09:04 am

Scalpel, go and educate yourself firstly, its all started by your stupid reply, actually all your posts are stupid, and you are talking about principles, instead of replying my questions, you only babbling here, one more thing if you do not want to take part in this, you should learn to stay silent when you have nothing to say, you know "söz gümüşse sükut altındır". Wink



Thread: T to e

439.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2010 Sun 02:17 am

Yapma ya, what low-level debate are you talking about? Obviously there was no debate, simply you got what you deserved when you replied offhand teasing irrespective post to my response since you have nothing to say. So is it me or you bringing the conversation into personal level? Besides where did i insult you? I cant see. Do you take my question if you are "dinlerarası diyalogcu" or not as an insult? Then i am happy to know...

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 It is now even clearer why you are so furious. No, I am not one of Gülen´s follower, neither I belong to any religious group, nor I believe in ´the dialog between the religions´. You are very quick in labeling people as Gülen sympathizers. Maybe you are a bit paranoiac? If you must know, I am a simple muslim with no hidden agenda. I am sorry if I disappointed you by being a simple muslim. I am also sorry for I don´t satisfy your expectations about a low-level debate. Really sorry.  It is not nice of you bringing a dabate to a personal level and trying to win it with your insults.  No matter what you do, you won´t get me to call you moron or something.Wink

 

 

 



Edited (3/28/2010) by armegon



Thread: T to e

440.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2010 Sat 10:58 pm

Ohh i see, it would be better if you should learn the meaning of "depiction" firstly, beforehand teasing. Are you one of those "dinlerarası diyalogcu", preaching here? and dont know anything about what you are talking? Btw i did not enligten you, you instead of listening people here quoted verses from Quran , i just repeated the basic teachings to remind you, which are very-well known except idiots.Wink

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Oh, I deeply appreciate you for kindly giving your precious time and energy to enlighten me. Thank you. I did not know there were more than one Jesus indeed. It is clear now. Once again thank you.{#emotions_dlg.lol}

 

 



Thread: Why are Turkish males so jealous of each other?

441.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 07:27 pm

 

Quoting spritzer

 

 

yes there is and if you want you can be creative and put messages of love or the bar or hotel they work in

 

 

 So you can advice your dudu to wax them all, no problem left.



Thread: T to e

442.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 07:25 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

My proofs are from Quran...Where are yours from? 

 

I dont need a proof since yakamoz proved it clearly. Yakamoz love the Jesus depicted in Gospels, you love the Jesus depicted in Quran. Both are different, you dont talk about same Jesus, one is human God, other is just prophet, otherwise there were no muslims but christians, no need for Islam simply if both are same.



Thread: Why are Turkish males so jealous of each other?

443.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 02:22 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Hairy men scare me {#emotions_dlg.scared}and hair on the back is just repulsive {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

 there is always a way to get rid of it, am i wrong?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: T to e

444.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2010 Fri 02:20 pm

Yakamoz is right, muslims do not need to love or believe in christian version of Jesus.



Thread: turkish to english please

445.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2010 Mon 05:50 pm

I think first sentence should be "ben bir tutsağım şimdi sevgiye gönüllü", it seems first comma is in the wrong place. In this case translation "I´m now prisoner who volunteers for love", as for the rest Emil´s translation sounds good.



Thread: What made you laugh today?

446.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2010 Sun 05:21 pm

 Still cannot see, but anyway thanks for your great effort ...

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Indecent? No way It was just hard to resize :

 

 

 



Thread: What made you laugh today?

447.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2010 Sun 04:22 pm

 I tried to open the link but it is blocked, i think it is something indecent.Smile

Quoting Daydreamer

I was trying to read something my friend sent me a link to in Russian (this thingy) and got hysterical looking at what "hahaha" looks like written in Cyrilic alphabet ("xaxaxa")

 

 



Thread: Turkish to English and vice versa

448.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Mar 2010 Sat 12:56 pm

My try(very bad turkish so possibly i have mistakes);

 

There has been crisis ongoing for about 1 year in Turkey. Work is tasteless. We have got difficulties in finding job. When i was in America in 2007, believe me ms. deley i very much would like to see you in çarleston. I am a Turk but i have a faith in the path of jesus, in other words i am christian but it is very hard to reveal this in Turkey, believe me. I found christianity as a right way to followsince i was about 12 years old. I have faith in christianity but my family is muslim because of this i wont be on good terms with them forever, circumstances point this fact. I am on way at all costs. I am right, honest, honorable, never been unfair. I dont lie in my life but believe me its really hard to get along with this society. Even mentioning jesus means losing all your social life. And thus we are having struggle with this. It wont be a lie if i say i had felt the existence of jesus lastly in the harbour of çarleston. Time to time i am trying to come close to him by praying. I always benefited from this even the merit of humanity. But in this society i mean Turk and muslim, living is really hard. I am always against the ones who insult jesus.  Because he is the truth, the holy spirit and the son that god blessed. i hope to see you later ms.

 

Quoting petros555

I have received the following message from a Turkish sailor.  Can someone please translate it for me.  Thanks.

 

türkiye de yaklaşık 1 yıldır kıriz durumu hakim .çalışmalar tatsız.iş bulmakta zorlanıyoruz.bir dönem amerika da oldugum.2007 de çarleston da sizi görmek inanın çok arzuladım.ms.deley ben türküm ama inanclarım.haz isa yolun da yani hırıstıyanım ama bunu türkiye de açmak inanın çok zor.yaklaşık 12 yaşın dan buyana hırıstiyanlık yolun da dogruyu buldum.inanıyorum ama ailem muslüman bu durum dan dolayı ailemle sanırım sonsuzakar aram iyi olmayacak.durum onu gösteriyor.ben nebahasına olursa olsun yolumdayım.dogrum.dürüstüm.namusluyum.aslahakyemiyorum.hayatım da yalan konuşmam.ama inanın bu toplum la anlaşmak zor.eger isayı anmak bile senin işini gücünü tüm sosyal yaşamını kaybetmendir.ve nitekin bu durumlar la mücadelemiz mevcuttur.en son cerleston limanın da gerçekten isanın varlıgını hisettim desem yalan olmaz.zaman zaman ona hep duva ederek yakınlaşmaya çalışıyorum.bunun hep faydasını gördüm.insanlık degerlerin de.ama bu toplum la yanı türk müslüman toplumunun için de yaşam zor.isaya hakaret edenlerin hep karşısın da oldum.çunki dogru odur tanrının kutsadıgı kutsal ruh ve evladı.ms.tekrar görüşmek üzere.saygılar

 

 



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

449.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Mar 2010 Fri 11:45 pm

Hey lemon, let me use my right of playing victim once, you should know its always an affective way, our goverment built on it .  Anyway thanks for your compliments my deer{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

Quoting lemon

 

 

dear armegon, I thought you were tough {#emotions_dlg.sad}  stop playing a victim.

 

I think everyone who is not boring is welcome in any forum. and you are definintely not the boring one.

I promise in future I will give you a good attack.  for now why not enjoy pagli?

 

 



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

450.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Mar 2010 Fri 05:14 pm

ohh my deer lemon, why dont you attack me instead of directing me to someone i dont know? i know i am not much welcomed in da forum, anyone can attack me but i always prefer you,  i think we know eachother quite well...

Quoting lemon

 

 

yes, I give you some names: ptaszek, armegon, reyhan. these three should be enough for one day.

 

You will get your fresh list tomorrow.

 

 



Thread: Çannakale Günü Saygılı ifadeler

451.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Mar 2010 Fri 12:49 pm

 

Quoting spritzer

Turkey: March 18 Canakkale Naval Victory Day

BayBak, Azerbaijan | Thursday, 18th March , 2010 , 11:38 [am] | Azerbaijan

. More than 250 thousand martyrs, who sacrificed themselves in Çanakkale to defend our independence against enemies trying to erase our nation from the pages of history, are our heroes that will live beyond history, just like our great poet Mehmet Akif says.”

Chief of General Staff General İlker Başbuğ said:

 

This is the total number, according to records;

-50-60 thousand people died in the battle of gallipoli from Turkish side.

-100 thousand people wounded(50 % of them returned to war even fought in Arabia and different fronts of WW1).

-21 thousand people died because of disease.

-64 thousand people escaped the army.

-10 thousand people lost.



Thread: -malı / -meli

452.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Mar 2010 Thu 05:35 pm

 

Quoting turkaturk

I know the meaning of this suffix and I read the lesson related to it here: http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_77

 

Ben gitmeliyim
Sen

gitmelisin

O gitmeli
Biz gitmeliyiz
Siz gitmelisiniz
Onlar gitmeliler

 

Can you please help me out with...

 

1. negative form

 

Ben gitmemeliyim
Sen

gitmemelisin

O gitmemeli
Biz gitmemeliyiz
Siz gitmemelisiniz
Onlar gitmemeliler

 

2. question form

 

Ben gitmeli miyim?
Sen

gitmeli misin?

O gitmeli mi?
Biz gitmeli miyiz?
Siz gitmeli misiniz?
Onlar gitmeliler mi?

 

3. past tense (with negative and question form)

 

Ben gitmeliydim
Sen

gitmeliydin

O gitmeliydi
Biz gitmeliydik
Siz gitmeliydiniz
Onlar gitmeliydiler

 

Ben gitmeli miydim?
Sen

gitmeli miydin?

O gitmeli miydi?
Biz gitmeli miydik?
Siz gitmeli miydiniz?
Onlar gitmeliler miydi?

 

Ben gitmemeliydim
Sen

gitmemeliydin

O gitmemeliydi
Biz gitmemeliydik
Siz gitmemeliydiniz
Onlar gitmemeliydiler

 

4. rumour tense Smile (-mis + with negative and question form)

 

Ben gitmeliymişim
Sen

gitmeliymişsin

O gitmeliymiş
Biz gitmeliymişiz
Siz gitmeliymişsiniz
Onlar gitmeliymişler

 

Ben gitmemeliymişim
Sen

gitmemeliymişsin

O gitmemeliymiş
Biz gitmemeliymişiz
Siz gitmemeliymişsiniz
Onlar gitmemeliymişler

 

 

Ben  gitmeli miymişim?
Sen   gitmeli miymişsin?
O   gitmeli miymiş?
Biz   gitmeli miymişiz?
Siz   gitmeli miymişsiniz?
Onlar   gitmeliler miymiş?

 

5. future tense (with negative and question form)

 

Ben  gitmem gerekecek 
Sen  gitmen gerekecek
O  gitmesi gerekecek
Biz  gitmemiz gerekecek
Siz  gitmeniz gerekecek
Onlar  gitmeleri gerekecek

 

 

Ben  gitmemem gerekecek
Sen  gitmemen gerekecek
O  gitmemesi gerekecek
Biz  gitmememiz gerekecek
Siz  gitmemeniz gerekecek
Onlar  gitmemeleri gerekecek

 

Ben  gitmem gerekecek mi?
Sen  gitmen gerekecek mi?
O  gitmesi gerekecek mi?
Biz  gitmemiz gerekecek mi?
Siz  gitmeniz gerekecek mi?
Onlar  gitmeleri gerekecek mi?

 

 

I tried to build them from scratch but it is not that easy. Eyvah!

 

I will be very grateful.

Naaah.. Not that much.

 

PS: I have a feeling that there is a slightly different version used with adjectives. Is that right?

 

 

Since "meli/malı" is called "gereklilik kipi" in Turkish, above examples for future tense is acceptable i think.

 



Thread: T-E Can someone help me with this please ?

453.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Mar 2010 Tue 04:35 pm

My try;

 

I am fine too, Im inviting you to Turkey on 20th of April, will you come? Yavuz will be on holiday too, we have beautiful places.

 

Stay there as many days as you wish, no problem.

 

We will cover your expenses, but we cannot pay the self-sacrifice that you did for us.

Quoting Friendly_Girl

Can you help me translate this in english I´m having hard time to translate it. Thank you so much in advance!!!

 

bende ıyıyım sen nısan ayının 20 turkıyeye devat edıyorum gelırmısın yavuzda tatıldedır guzl yerlerımız var

 

kac gun kalırsan kal sorun yok

 

masraflarınız bızden

senın yapdığin fedekarlıği bız ödeyemeyız kızım

 

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Artemision

454.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Mar 2010 Tue 01:36 am

Turkey is a country which tries to stay secular. And as far as i know there are many restorations and excavations ongoing, the only problem is the money source.

Quoting lemon

the only thing I wondered the interesting thing that a pagan temple can be restored in a muslim country. or is it not muslim? or unless the tourism is more important.

 

 



Thread: Artemision

455.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Mar 2010 Tue 01:31 am

Recently i said you didnt care women of Turks when you asked for women rights in Turkey, if this is the one you implied that i tended to twist your words, you corrected me that was for Arab women. And i apologized ( i think that post was deleted).  So far i dont remember any other else.

Quoting lemon

you and your brothers (armegon, yersu) tend twist my words.

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

456.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2010 Sun 02:41 pm

 I see, you are also taking revenge because i had agreed with someone before.

Quoting upsy_daisy

 

 

 i was just using my right of not agreeing with you! (and also with inter who was agreed with you first time!)  {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

457.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2010 Sun 01:45 pm

There is saying "intelligence can not beat arrogance". imo nothing changes if hes wrong or right, arrogant is arrogant.

Quoting upsy_daisy

 i disagree! who is right in his argument never has habis of arogance & disrespect.

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

458.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2010 Sun 10:40 am

Some people who have habits of arrogance & disrespect, is subject to be mocked & insulted even if they are right in their argument, kind of universal rule.Wink

Quoting catwoman

I can´t go through all these posts to check for insults... {#emotions_dlg.eeek} Please report to mods/admins if rules have been broken. Thank you.

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

459.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Mar 2010 Sat 01:48 am

 ...



Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

460.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Mar 2010 Sat 12:36 am

Since you dont care as you said before "its the women of Turks", why are you expecting an answer?

Quoting lemon

 

 

and my questions about turkish womens rights never got answered {#emotions_dlg.ninja} its a taboo too.

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

461.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Mar 2010 Sat 12:30 am

Poles look like Turks then, seslisozluk is not a suitable forum i think, visit somewhere where politics being discussed, you will see the same things, as you said people call eachother thieves, idiots other insults you cannot imagine ...

Quoting Daydreamer

Armegoncim, the Irish constantly joke about interbreeding It´s a small, isolated island, you know Poles don´t talk about incest, they just call each other thieves, parasites, morons etc. The only Turkish forum I used to read back in the day when I could understand written Turkish was seslisozluk. And it was a really nice place, people got banned at even the slightest suspection of critique of turkey

 

 



Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

462.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 11:54 pm

Ohh really? Did they say in those forums that Irishs and Poles rape their daughters & sons, abuse their relatives? Did they say Irishs and Poles wanna sleep with married foreign women? If so, sorry we dont put all blame on whole nation by generalizing because of perverts. By the way you think this forum is full of Turks, if you want to see, how crappy Turkey and Turks, you should visit Turkish discussion forums, insults are flying but first you should learn Turkish if you are that interested.Wink

Quoting Daydreamer

Wow! Tc is boiling and I had nothing to do with it

 

Ok, now my thoughts:

 

reading Polish forums, I read posts by Poles about how crappy our country is and everybody insults everybody

 

reading Irish forums, i read posts by Paddies about how crappy their country is and some people insult everybody

 

reading TC, I read posts by Turks about how little does the west know about their magnificence and when one person says that "we Turks are not so maginificent" he gets jumped on as if he suggested introducing compulsory pork lunches at school.

 

Yes, cultural differences never cease to amuse me

 

 



Edited (3/12/2010) by armegon



Thread: pls help thanks

463.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 07:22 pm

I hope she will listen inter´s and Trudy´s advice with all my heart. I dont know why we all here made the same advices here, but girls continue to write those perverted ones( i dont mean your friend/partner britturk, so dont get me wrong) maybe foreign women find temptation in being pervert.{#emotions_dlg.confused}

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Good advice but I´m afraid that Laura Britturk will not listen.

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

464.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 07:07 pm

 Thanks for the lesson Trudy, i will note those, dont worry ...

Quoting Trudy

 

 

I´m not lemon but I still will answer. I don´t think any of the regular posters here is only criticising Turkey or only praising the west. But in cases criticism or praise is at its place, it should be possible to do so. I love Turkey but I´m not blind for the bad things that happen. I also love my own country and for that I´m not blind as well, so I´ll praise when needed and I´ll criticise when needed. I´m just afraid that thát difference is something you don´t want to see, Armegon.

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

465.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 06:59 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 you see, the majority of turks (maybe like yourself) cant stand any criticisism of turks and turkey (including its culture and religion). e.g. armegon (and his friends) is terrified to discover posts that dont praise turkey or turkishness. and if another turk comes out and says something different he freaks out and panics and starts his "clown" terminology.

i mean how sad is that! is there any chance for a change?

 

@Yersu, its her character simply .

@ faulty, is there any chance for your hate of anything Turkish to change? Why are you so eager to criticize anything Turkish, at the same time here you are praising anything western? Do you want to teach Turks lesson? Anyway i know its because of hate. Its true now you find a new toy called inter, he talks instead of you, and you seem very comfortable with his silly jokes while you praising those. Faulty, there were many posts here, that dont praise holly Turks and Turkey before, werent they? And all were making you happy, do not be terrified if some of us opposes to those, its not always the truth... Sorry for squeezing lemon to your fun



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

466.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 06:00 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

In the end, even if we are really perverted and deviants, it´s ok I am not ashamed. It´s what we are.

 

Totally agree with this one{#emotions_dlg.yes}.

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

467.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 05:59 pm

poor inter, you dont know me for sure. I love your actings, i just wanted to voice it. Aha its the first time, i got a phone-number here, i will send mine too, you want to beat me i guess. By the way i wont ignore you, i am all open to funny opinions, but if you want you can ignore me, no problem for me ...

Quoting interregister

 

 

Is that really all life about for you ? who can amuse who, who is more populer...it is just a nickname pal, only with one person here is in my realworld. So i do not care rest, if it ll makes you happy, i ll try to be  les "amuser"...

Also you have my number now, when there is some think he like to tell me like interclown or dansöz you can call me 7/24...but if ignore me totally that can sasve both of us from some toruble...

 

 



Edited (3/12/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

468.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 04:51 pm

 

Quoting interregister 

 

Thank you inter, it was a pleasure to have fun with you but im sorry i am sorry i am not funny like you, i cannot amuse the foreign ladies here ..



Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon
Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

469.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 04:47 pm

 Hmm, i see you are right not to visit bazaars if you dont know how to bargain too, there is another kind of rape salesman do too, we call it "kazık yemek" gently ...

Quoting lemon

 

 

i think i canbe raped everywhere if its my fate.

 

the only reason i avoid bazars is the money. i dont know how to bargain. and im afraid of salesman. im afraid of bazars. the atmosphere at the bazars are harsh and wild. not organized, chaotic, noisy. a jungle with no rules.

 

 



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

470.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 04:11 pm

 You should, you can be raped behind the sales booth, extremely dangerous.Wink

Quoting lemon

 

 

i avoid bazars.

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

471.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 04:10 pm

 

Quoting ptaszek

 

 Why are you{#emotions_dlg.razz}

 I am not,I am pretty sure

I have read similar things from one of thhe...former member before{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

 Ahh sorry , hes very honest too...



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

472.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 03:52 pm

 

Quoting turkaturk

 

 

I haven´t heard of anything like this for a very long time. Are you sure that you are Turkish?

 

 I was surprised too .



Thread: another word game

473.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 03:14 pm

This reminded me a proverb "ısırgan ile taharet olmaz". because of inter reminds me that hes in that situation lol

Quoting interregister

Dağ-mountain (there is a proverbs, dağ fare doğurdu, reminded me that)

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

474.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 03:12 pm

 Yeah you only care the pride of Turks..

Quoting lemon

 

 

oh, armegon i thought you changed, matured {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

i was wrong.

 

the other truth i didnt care for. im not interested in dog or donkey rape.

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

475.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 03:11 pm

Ohh mate, did i say anything different tha yours? why are you such angry ? These are pure truths everyday we see on news. You and me know very well the biggest problem of Turks, dont we?  By the way i cannot watch any serials, i dont know why, maybe im different like you.

Quoting interregister

 

 

 



Edited (3/12/2010) by armegon
Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

476.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 02:42 pm

Its like the pure truths that inter and me mentioned about Turks. Why dont you say others not the truth?

Quoting lemon

 

 

oh, please, your turkish pride is hurt now!

the sentence I underlined isnt true at all, my dear, such turks are indeed unique that it actually happens 1 to 1000

 

 



Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

477.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 02:40 pm

So you are the brave one, eh? Different kind of Turk, i have never met before . As you say pervertion spreads all over the world and Turkey, it seems you are a professional and visited many countries, how come do you conclude that these are not the everyday news now, but before you said its seen everyday(you see everyday on news Turks raping relatives but not raping animals)? You know what we Turks call you in this situation, thats "dansöz gibi kıvırtma" . Ohh, im sorry to hear that nobody said to you "you are man of the year in bed" such a bad situation. The ones i mentioned is not much different than yours, am i not brave enough smarty?

Quoting interregister

-Turks won´t throw mud in their culture but some of them brave enough to face their lacking points.

-It is not at the news everyday Turks rape dogs,cats,chicken and donkeys but that does not mean it is not happening.When you keep girls and boys seperate, thorowing everykind of taboo to people´s mind,showing opposite sex to each other as ´danger, do not touch´, and also bomb them with idea of sex in every area, movies,advertisments,song clips etc..thet would f*ck what ever they can..including family members,donkeys...

-I would not know how turk´s are good at bed, since i am a turkish straight man, none of them f*cked me, and no girl told me ´ohh, you are the man of year at the bed, you are so good,strong,super-sex man, etc...´

-Yep, i was told before but did not believe it{#emotions_dlg.suspicious}, when you article thins looks like you are saying something important {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

 

 



Edited (3/13/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

478.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 01:49 pm

You should go that far, isnt that the pure truth as you are following the news everyday, dont  you see? Lol, i am surprised  you are a Turk , and you are very funny . hmmm cross-cultural maariages with Turks are dangerous, but for one night they are ideal, they are very good at bed, isnt that the truth? And i also know Turks are unique in throwing mud to their culture, is another pure truth .

 

Anyway one more advice, it seen everyday on news, a Turk raped a donkey, a dog, chicken, goat even a demijohn. So if you are feeding a kind of pet, and you are near a Turk, run and please stay away from that TurkWink. These are the truths btw ...

 

Quoting interregister

 

 

 Hmm, I would not go that far.{#emotions_dlg.think} At the end, I am turk, and i have no intention to dispise my nationality,or make it close comunity.I love cross culture marriages.I love when i see a Jew who is married with an Arab.I love to see tuks with foreig husbands and wives.After all, here in TC we are trying to find right way to break cultural diffrences.

Anyway, pervertion spreads to world and Turkey no diffrent the rest but may be more..I just wanted to draw attention for saying one but doing just opposite...

 

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

479.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 01:18 pm

 As i said its the pure truth .

Quoting ReyhanL

Maalesef  i hear this when my bf`s friends are talking about women {#emotions_dlg.sad}.

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

480.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 01:14 pm

 Yeah, you can see that dialogue in Turkish movies a lot, when they are looking at women´s bottom, they say "iyi malzeme" ...

 

Its the pure truth by the wayWink.

Quoting ReyhanL

iyi malzeme {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 



Edited (3/12/2010) by armegon



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

481.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Mar 2010 Fri 01:06 pm

hehe, keep up the good fun inter, let me add a few more "when they see a women, they say meat, when they see a girl, they say fresh meat, when they see their daughters, sons or relatives, they say delicous meat." So the ones who are married with Turks, be careful, take care of your daughters and sons. In fact  as an advice divorce immediately, or for the ones who are planning to marry, do not marry.

 

p.s.:sorry for using the word "fresh", i know some members here are obsessed with that.

 

Quoting interregister

Yea you are right, every bad is in every where and we turks are all saints..{#emotions_dlg.angel} opps, i forget my wings at my neigbour´s wifes bed...

 

 



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

482.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Mar 2010 Thu 07:44 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 taxi drivers smoke? really? {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

Nearly all of themWink...



Thread: What do foreigners expect from Turks?

483.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Mar 2010 Thu 07:42 pm

hmmm interesting expectations , interreg is the new funny member i guess. Hope she/he is able to amuse all foreigners here. Welcome TC inter ...

Quoting ptaszek

got impatient with turkaturk will to open this thread but still keeping good attitude{#emotions_dlg.stoneage}I will start

I expect from interregister to walk upsidedown in a jiffy,preferably with juggling{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}possible?

I also expect from him as a representative of Turks more trust in social English expressions I addressed him.Thank you{#emotions_dlg.ty_ty}

 

 



Thread: What do Turkish people expect from foreigners?

484.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Mar 2010 Thu 12:42 pm

 

Quoting lemon

one thing irritates me. isnt there any consideration for foreigners?

doesnt any signle turk come up with an idea of tolerance?

e.g. a foreign person doesnt know the customs thus behaves the way s/he behaves?

 

when a foreigner comes to my country I know she or he hasnt got a clue of customs, so I dont expect anything. nobody expects anything. we just know that they are foreigners. we are there to help them, to make sure that they feel home.

 

i mean what an arrogance to expect your guest to know the rules and stupid customs (yes, very stupid idiotic customs) and then to get angry if not followed?

 

 I agree .



Thread: pls translate

485.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Mar 2010 Tue 02:59 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

Usually is going this way : kiss on left- kiss on right then hug on left- hug on right {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

There is no hugging, just shaking hands and kissing on left&rightWink, hugging maybe used if you know eachother very well and dont sea eachother for a long time. But in Serinyol, many arabic-origin Turkish citizens live maybe they have different customs.



Thread: Can someone correct for me please, E-T

486.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Mar 2010 Tue 01:00 am

 

Bu fotoğrafta giydiğim elbiseler, resimdeki mağazadan

 

Ally if you want to say this, i think you should correct your English sentence  because this means " The clothes i am wearing in this photo, are from the shop in the picture."



Thread: Can someone correct for me please, E-T

487.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Mar 2010 Tue 12:17 am

 Resimdeki mağazadan giyiniyorum.

Quoting ally81

I want to say - I am wearing clothes from this shop in this picture

 

Bu resimde,  bu dükkandan/alışverisden elbise giyiyorum

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Latest Good Movies

488.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Mar 2010 Tue 12:11 am

 

Quoting Amber Lonsinger

Is Aladdin Turkish? I do not know why but I have seen this movie and I like it a lot.

 

No, not Turkish .

Some people claim Disney movies contains subliminal messages thus not good for children{#emotions_dlg.lol}. Check out below vid ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fCLx-mFLg

 



Thread: nobody cares

489.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Mar 2010 Sun 10:33 am

 I dont think you did wrong, its just about having right.Wink

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 +1

 

Freshman insulted me ( in the worst way possible) ...did i make wrong by not insulting him back ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 



Thread: nobody cares

490.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Mar 2010 Sun 10:07 am

 

Quoting upsy_daisy

 

 

 If I were you, I wouldn´t go in a battle that I have no chance of winning 

 

Sen yanmazsan ben yanmazsam nasıl çıkar karanlıklar aydınlığa , uydu mu? eh işte uysa da olur uymasa da

 



Thread: nobody cares

491.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Mar 2010 Sun 10:05 am

So it seems we have right to insult if somebody is arrogant/angry on forum. It will be better if you can add this as a forum rule maybe, just a suggestion .

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

being angry that someone didn´t do you a favor IS arrogance. yeah, maybe it was a bit harsh, but I don´t think it was excessive or humiliating.

 

 



Thread: nobody cares

492.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Mar 2010 Sun 01:20 am

well, how far you can go in exaggeration, sure you can be a good reporter, did somebody say anything about the other proper responses? It was only comparison about the ones who are very knowledged and sensitive about human-rights but not say anything about a human being humiliated, is it clear now?

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Well, don´t that here, even that slap on the hands is forbidden being ´child abuse´.... 

 

 



Thread: nobody cares

493.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Mar 2010 Sun 12:36 am

Human rights abuses just depends on torture and detention, you smarty? Comment was clearly humiliating, apart from these you have forum rules about personal insults, but it is clear they are applied as you please, not surprising...

Quoting catwoman

 

 

No torture or detention yet, just a little slap on the hands for being a jerk, so no human rights abuses here canim.

 

 



Edited (3/7/2010) by armegon



Thread: nobody cares

494.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 09:18 pm

So you do know this member very well to conclude like this? In my opinion the insults you had used humiliating nothing but human dignity. Anyway it seems it is approved by the ones who are preaching sermons about human rights here but still clapping such insults, nothing much left to say. By the way i dont know the guy, he made a mistake like all we do sometimes and i hope he will come and express himself.

Quoting turkaturk

 Yes, it was and he deserves every drop of it. 

 

 



Thread: Uygur song lyrics

495.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 06:03 pm

 You can find & listen to them on youtube...

Quoting Umut_Umut

Hey there  i know Uyghur Turkish  and i love Uyghur songs too.

 

If you could send me the songs, i would write its lyrics.

 

 



Thread: nobody cares

496.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 05:59 pm

 woow, isnt this  so harsh?

Quoting turkaturk

 

 



Thread: Olarak/gibi

497.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 05:57 pm

"olarak" olacak.



Thread: Bıt confused

498.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 09:53 am

it is like, "tell/show me, do you dance well ?"



Thread: english to turkish please

499.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 01:00 am

 "Beni nasıl sevindirdin bilemezsin, aşkım. Asla senin güzelliğinle kör olmadım, içten gelen sözlerin beni benden aldı. Düşlerim uzaklığı azat etti, söz ver bana orda olacağına dair. Çok geç olmazsa/olmadan ben geleceğim, her zaman ve sonsuza kadar aşkım. Amber"

 

Quoting Amber Lonsinger

I have to say this before it´s to late. Please someone translate. I do not have enough time..

 

 

 

"How you rapture me, my love. Never blind by your beauty, your internal words abduct my spirit. My dreams release the distance, promise me you’ll be there. I will come if it is not to late, my love forever and always. Amber " 

 

 

 



Thread: T to E

500.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 12:52 am

 

Quoting upsy_daisy

 

 

 I wonder if the information above only depends on you having been speaking the language as a native for 23 years, or it is from books used in general education curriculum, reliable sources, linguistic articles and so? Can you cite some sources  supporting your point?

 

 



Thread: Observation

501.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 12:23 am

Maybe translation requester should put a note below request "please no personal comment or any advice required." , i guess that would solve the problem.



Thread: food ideas for dinner

502.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Mar 2010 Sat 12:07 am

Mercimek çorba, tas kebabı, çoban salata, sütlaç...



Thread: What are you listening now?

503.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 02:19 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMCrYkTZNsg

 

I dont understand a word but sounds fun .



Thread: Police have arrested the famous singer Tarkan

504.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Feb 2010 Fri 01:07 pm

He did not accede the invitation of rte about initiative, maybe that was the problem .



Thread: E-T please thank you

505.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Feb 2010 Tue 08:42 pm

İş yüküm arttı, ne zaman tatile çıkacağımı şimdilik söyleyemem.

 

Banka geri kalan paranın ödenmesini talep ediyor, bu miktarı ayarlayıp benim bankama transfer edebilirmisiniz lütfen, ödenmesi gereken miktarla ilgili detaylar sizde mevcut.

 

Şimdi gerçekten sizi aramak için en iyi zamanın ne zaman olduğunu bilmiyorum. 

Quoting snowhite

My workload has now increased, i cannot say when i can take a holiday now.

 

 

The bank has requested the rest of the money to be paid, can you arrange that this amout is transfered to my bank  please, you have the details this is the amount in try.

 

Now i really dont know when the best time is to call you.

 

 

thank you class

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

506.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Feb 2010 Tue 08:10 pm

Neredesin-Mustafa Mandal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np8RG-Ne2Vo



Thread: Turkish sentence to english?

507.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Feb 2010 Tue 08:07 pm

 I dont know that series, sorry

Quoting lady in red

 

 

´Enemy´ is the right word rather than ´hostile´ here Armegon.  ´Hostile´ sounds very ´24´ (if you know that series)

 

 



Thread: Turkish sentence to english?

508.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Feb 2010 Tue 10:24 am

If your hostile is brave enough to knock on your door, you should also be brave enough to face with him/her.

Quoting wishingonastar

Hasmın kapına gelecek kadar cesursa, sende karşısına çıkacak kadar cesur

 

okay here´s the right spelling. what does it mean?

 

 

 

 

 



Edited (2/23/2010) by armegon



Thread: Job for an expert: \"bir hakkı daha hak ediyor\"

509.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Feb 2010 Sat 10:40 am

He/She/It deserves one more right/privilege.



Thread: Gegen die Wand- by Fatih Akin

510.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Feb 2010 Fri 10:08 pm

 

Quoting barkindo

-so it looks to me the third generation is rather too well adapted!

 

Exactly...I decided not to watch this movie since i had read enough spoilers about it. I can guess movie is full of histronics, eroticism and cliches like similar new generation Turkish movies. It can be interesting for a foreigner but not for Turks i am sure. I can be wrong, maybe my thoughts would be different if i had watched it. Anyway, as for the girl you said she seemed so "German", i dont know German culture much but do young German girls believe freedom is having sex whoever they want or sitting up all the night in bars dancing, having drugs? If the answer is yes, the girl is very "German", i agreeWink...



Thread: Am I right e-t

511.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2010 Tue 05:56 pm

let me try to explain with my weak Turkish grammar, a Turkish teacher can correct .

 

Turkish sentence should be like "birbirimizi tanımıyoruz değil mi?" or "tanışmıyoruz değil mi?"

both can be translated as "we dont know eachother, do we?". "tanımıyoruz değil mi?" means "we dont know him/her/them, do we?".

 

tanışmak---to meet, to know eachother, is like "two person who do not know eachother, now begin to be acquainted with eacohter"

 

tanımak---to know, to recognize, is like" to know someone before"

 

 

pleased to meet you---tanıştığımıza memnun oldum or sizi tanıdığıma sevindim.

Do you know MrX?---Mrx´i tanıyor musun?

Have we met?---(önceden) tanıştık mı, buluştuk mu, görüştük mü?

Do we know eachother---Birbirimizi tanıyor muyuz?

 

 

I hope these helps

Quoting ally81

 

 

 Thanks armegon

 

tanışmak and tanımak confuse me, which one do I use for which situation, like for example when I say ´pleased to meet you´ do I use tanışmak?  And if Im introducing people, like for eg: ´do you know mrX´? What do I use?  And if i want to say ´have we met´, or ´do we know each other´?  Again how do I say it?

 

sorry for all the questions, I´m just feelin very confused today!

 

 



Thread: Am I right e-t

512.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2010 Tue 04:41 pm

tanışmıyoruz değil mi? ---> We dont know eachother, do we?



Thread: what caught my eye today

513.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2010 Tue 10:12 am

 

{#emotions_dlg.scared} So you think this is not the violation of privacy, according to some documentaries future slaves will be created by this method, you can be volunteer as a test subject for this ...

Quoting catwoman

an alternative would be installing chips into people´s brains to know exactly what they are thinking.

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

514.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2010 Sat 11:34 pm

 Started with a bad news, georgian luger died after crash while practicing...

Quoting barba_mama

Happy the Olympics have started again I do enjoy watching sport, while being a total lazy couch-hugger myself  Go Sven!

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

515.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2010 Fri 04:18 pm

"I promise that if i am elected, Iran will not acquire nuclear arms, and this implies everything necessary to carry out this" Benjamin Netanyahu said before elections. This is another mask similar to the mask used to invade Iraq and shows how zionists created a fear empire all over the world as showing Iran powerful. But i think i agree with you, there had been an economic crisis last year though any of these countries did not decrease defence expenses and arming. And also the countries that have investements in Iran such as France, Russia, China, Korea, Germany etc will not be happy since they sell a product to Iran ten times more expensive because of ongoing embargo.

Lets wait till the snow melts, it takes time in Iran

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I think Israel has no business attacking Iran. Sure the Iranian government threatens to whipe Israel of the map, and sure they have recently anounced some alarming nuclear news... But I wonder if this nuclear threat to Israel is so realistic, and I think there is no solid ground for starting some kind of dangerous war at the moment, which would escalade in pro and con Israel-countries starting an even bigger mess.

But luckily there´s always snow in the North pole (global warming is taking longer then we thought ) so we won´t have to worry for now

 

 



Thread: Virginity as ´qualification´....

516.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2010 Fri 04:04 pm

 Such a good friend she has

Quoting barba_mama

 I had a talk about this just the other day! For me, sex is sex. There is no "kind of sex"... But a Muslim female friend of mine proudly states she wants to remain a virgin until she is married. But in my opinion she isn´t! She has done things that made my ears red when I heard it!

 

 



Thread: Virginity as ´qualification´....

517.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2010 Fri 04:02 pm

The problem is that they do not want to be called Turk or Turkish citizen except they did something bad Wink

Quoting barba_mama

 They are therefor Turks, if those Greek and Armenian decendents are also Turks.

 

 



Thread: Virginity as ´qualification´....

518.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2010 Fri 03:59 pm

To put the record straight, firstly you should have to mention that it was not Turks who feel Kurds were not the part of the country but the Kurds themselves. As you see it is not like you try to describe. Besides things changed very quickly by today´s government, hostility grew up, its not suprising to see many separatist Turks who do not want to live with Kurds and who oppose to Kurdification nowadays. For instance, Kurds are not much welcomed anymore in east black sea region... 

Quoting vineyards

To put the record straight, the Kurds form a considerable percentage of the population of this country. Therefore all their values, traditions, economic stati etc add up to the overall outlook of the entire nation. They are a part of this country hence a part of our collective identity.

 

 

 



Thread: translation plsssssssss T-E urgent

519.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2010 Sun 11:51 pm

Burak aşkından şair olmuş belli



Thread: TR to EN please

520.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2010 Sun 11:30 pm

 

Quoting Lady_A

TR to EN please....thanks!

 

 

"Cok yogundun sana cevap yazamadim. Ben kayak merkezindeyim Bursa Uludag. Kisin burasida cok guzel, sen turkiyeyi ozledim ama ben seni cok ozledim"

 

You were very busy, i couldnt write back. Im in ski resort in Bursa Uludağ. In winter here is so beautiful as well, you missed Turkey but i missed you very much.



Thread: what caught my eye today

521.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2010 Sun 05:06 pm

Maybe he will reply to you when he gets a new nick in near future ...hey barba what do you think there are remarkable rumours that Israel will attack Iran as soon as the snow melts?{#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´m just saying that you shouldn´t throw a entire group of people into one big pile of negative prejudices. By the way...who is "my" people...what do you really know about my background?

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

522.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2010 Sun 08:53 am

Does history repeat itself? The period that Turkey pass through today with the ergenekon lie, was very similarly experienced during the last time of Ottomans...

 

Good brief analysis of history (in Turkish)



Thread: have another few to translate, anyone motivated?

523.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:45 pm

 

Quoting FidelAnge

well than few other sentences if you could translate for me, which I am complately greateful for

 

*Üçüncü kişiye rağmen yaşanayorsa AŞKTIR!

if it is experienced despite third party, then it is love.

 

*Goruyorum ki yaşanıyor!!... Biliyorum ki AŞK o!!!

And i see it is being experienced... i know that is love!!!

*ben zaten aşıgımda bu soz benı anlatmıo gıtmesı gereken yerlere gıdıcektır bırsekılde

im in love after all, this word does not depict me anyhow it will go to the places where it has to go.

*Aşk yaşıyorum,o halde varım...))

im in love so i do exist

*adamım ozelde ol...ilk adımı attım et. Check my list sozum soz

 Be in private man, i took the first step, cehck my list, i promise  

 

thank you one more time

 

 



Thread: Latest Good Movies

524.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:31 pm

recently watched a nerve-wracking movie titled "Das experiment".



Thread: what caught my eye today

525.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:27 pm

Yes, same applies to some people as well, no need to read between the lines, and i think Turks are fed up with being scapegoat of anything. We also have good saying like "Gözünün çapağına bakmaz, elaleme şaşı der."



Thread: what caught my eye today

526.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Feb 2010 Sat 02:27 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

Who said all Kurds are supporters of their feudal system? But i can say many of them are the slaves of that feudal system, it is how they directed by their agas who are now in mostly Turkish parliament but those even as a respect avoid to play Turkish anathem in the opening of their congress.

 

By the way it is not the Turks firstly who do not want to be put in same box but the Kurds and their fellow foreign supporters as they always emphasize that Turks have to show respect to their customs. I know EU parliamenters who firstly visited Diyarbakır instead of Ankara impudently. So where is double standards? Sorry but your argument simply falls downWink...



Thread: what caught my eye today

527.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2010 Mon 10:40 pm

i havent searched but i dont think english news can be found now, maybe a few days later if they want to publish of course...

Quoting alameda

 

This is alarming....and deadly serious. I tried to find information in English on this, but couldn´t find anything.  You don´t know any English sites on this, do you? 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

528.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2010 Mon 10:37 pm

it seems resort workers being of mostly Kurdish origin disturbed Trudy and thought to be inflammatory, interesting. As far as i know giving only the news without personal comment and source is not welcomed in forums {#emotions_dlg.confused}...

Quoting alameda

 

hmmm....I´m curious what was edited out by Trudy too....

 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

529.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2010 Mon 05:43 pm

Teyrebazen Azadiya Kurdistan aka TAK (the freedom falcons of Kurdistan) which is the subsidiary of PKK and which takes part acts in terrorism acts in metropolises and touristic places, had accomplished congress on January 2010 after six years and announced a war declaration threatening the metropolises and touristic resorts of Turkey. It is declared "from now on everyehere in Turkey is our battleground but foremost the metropolises of Turkey" and addressing tourists "if you do not want to be the target of ongoing war, immediately leave Turkey and give up coming to Turkey."

 

Source  (in Turkish)

 

 



Edited (2/1/2010) by Trudy [Inflammatory comment removed by admin]



Thread: from english to turkish

530.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2010 Sun 11:39 pm

 My try;

Quoting vessper

 

 

Can anyone translate this ?

 

1)What if you wasted love and our love in time disappeared....

 

Ya aşkı boşa harcamışsan ve aşkımız zamanla kaybolursa...

 

2)What if we left every moment that we could spare.And the perfect song ends up being the last song you´ll ever hear.

 

Ya ayırdığımız her anı terkettiysek. Ve kusursuz şarkı duyacağın son şarkı olarak biterse

 

3)Now we´re flying from the blast, baby
That´s the thing
Where we´re going, we don´t need no brakes

 

Şimdi ani rüzgarla?? uçuyoruz, bebek

mevzu da nereye gidiyor olduğumuz, frenlere ihtiyacımız yok

 

4)Baby, we were killing them
They couldn´t handle the millionth degree
We were criminals
As we were burning the world called the police

 

Bebek, biz onları öldürüyorduk

Milyon dereceyle başa çıkamadılar

Biz suçluyduk

Polis denilen dünyayı yakıyorduk çünkü (not sure about this)

 

 

 



Edited (2/1/2010) by armegon



Thread: pls help

531.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2010 Sun 11:16 pm

Yeah, thats correctWink

Quoting tomac

Just learner´s attempt:

 

Maybe "I can´t talk about Erdem night and day" ? 



Thread: eng to turk

532.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2010 Sun 11:11 pm

Bu video iğrenç, nasıl izleyebildin? Videodaki o kız sihirli mantarlardan yemiş olmalı.

Quoting vessper

can someone translate this ?

 

This video is so disgusting how can u watch it That girl from video must have eaten magic mushrooms

 

 



Thread: Ezme (esme?) peynir

533.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2010 Sun 10:58 pm

A similar mixture with cheese we prepare for breakfast, it is spreaded over the slices of bread and then cooked in oven, very delicous indeed but it seems not same one that tried to be described above. According to google there is an appetizer called "peynir ezmesi", but i think its not much common like the ezme that we know...



Thread: t to e please

534.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2010 Sun 10:45 pm

"We talked to Barış in the evening, he was in germany staying with his aunt, he said that he would turn back. What are you doing? Send my kind regards to your parents, kiss you, goodbye."

Quoting nette

´barısla aksam konustuk almanyada halasındaydı döneceyını söyledı sen ne yapıyorsun annenlere cok selamlarımı söyle cok öptum allaha emanet ol´

 

i know i´m being pain in the ass, but could someone please translate this to me? i undestand most of it, but not all, so i´m once again asking your help

 

 



Edited (1/31/2010) by armegon



Thread: Turkish - English please

535.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Jan 2010 Sat 02:04 pm

 

Quoting amateur

No, i´m not hacking someone´s chat logs. I´m the person getting married. Thank you.

 

 



Thread: E to T Urgent

536.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Jan 2010 Sat 11:06 am

My try;

Neden bana çok kızgın bilmiyorum.

 

Özel yaşamım hakkında onunla hiç konuşmadım, şahsen onu hiç görmedim, beni Türkiye hakkındaki bir siteden ekledi, çünkü ben seninle buluşmak için Türkiye´ye gitme planları yapıyordum. Bana hiçbir şeyle ilgili yardımcı olmadı. Hayatımda her şeyi kendi başıma elde ettim.

 

Onu msn listemden ve facebook hesabımdan sildiğimden beri, bana tehdit içeren mesajlar yolluyor. Beni üzen ise, ben Oğuz´la zaten bir yıldır flört ediyorum, onun dilini öğreniyorum ve burada gerekenleri en kısa zamanda elde ettiğimde Türkiye´de çalışmak için plan yapıyorum...Bir yıl doldu ve o bizi ayırmaya çalışıyor, niye benimle kavga ediyor? Tek aklıma gelen onun kıskanç olduğu. Ben insanlara çok güvenirim, onların iyi olduğunu düşünmeye çalışırım... ancak herkes yapmacık/numara yapıyor.

 

Quoting karinalinares

I don´t know why she is so angry at me. 

I never talked about my personal life with her, I never saw her in person, she add me from a site about Turkey, because I was already planning to go to turkey to meet you. She never helped me in nothing. All I get in my life I do all by myself.

 

Since I deleted her from my msn and Facebook, she´ve been sending me messages threatening me.

 

Now she send an e-mail with all those lies...what is making me upset is , I´ve been dating Oğuz for 1 year already, learning his language and making plans to study in Turkey as soon as I get all I need here....its 1 year of dedication and she is trying to separate us, why is she so mad at me? my only conclusion is that she is jealous. I trust very much in people, trying to think they are good...but everybody fakes.


 

 



Thread: atv channel frequencies

537.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2010 Fri 02:53 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Don´t know - I just googled ´atv Turkey´ - don´t confuse me with frequencies!! {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

i thought OP asking for the satellite frequencies of the channel so i googled "atv uydu frekansları"...



Thread: Latest Good Movies

538.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2010 Fri 02:49 pm

i have just watched lovely bones & sherlock holmes, both are quite good, at least you dont get bored ...



Thread: atv channel frequencies

539.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2010 Fri 02:47 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

so how would you find that on line?

 

 i googled and this is the frequency i found, is frequency changed again? 



Thread: atv channel frequencies

540.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Jan 2010 Fri 02:41 pm

sat: Turksat 3a

frequency: 11791 MHz

polarization: H

symbol rate: 16000 ks/s

fec: 5/6

 

That is a(kp) tv



Thread: English to Turkish please

541.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Jan 2010 Wed 04:23 pm

Merhaba Murat,

 

Ben Richard, Evren´le beraber bankada çalışan Nesrin´in kocasıyım. İkinci el bazı oyunlar buldum, kaç TL verirsin? Oyunlar "call of duty" denilen savaş oyunları.

 

En iyi dileklerimle,

 

Richard

Quoting Loveprague

Would someone kindly translate this message please{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

Hello Murat,

                  Hello this is Richard, Nesrin´s wife who works at the bank with Evren.  I found some games which are second hand how much would you like to spend in Turkish Lira.  The games are war games and called Call Of Duty.

 

Best wishes

Richard 

 

 



Thread: Saðlýklý Beslenme ve Yaþama

542.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jan 2010 Tue 12:04 am

I think we are talking about KSA which is ruled by sheria. Yes, right, Saudis are people too but they strictly follow the hadith rather than Quran, so one cannot fins any shop selling alcoholic drinks since its forbidden by their religous leader, if in any hadith tells eating seafood rather than other than fish is haram, be sure that it will be impossible to see such restaurants in thier country. In other words "eating sea food other than fish" statement is not confirmed by hadiths as well, no need to mention Quran.

 

As for alcohol, Quran nevers says it is haram, but it says alcoholic drinks are the work of satan, and i think it is enough to be far away from.  "haram"s are the ones which are harmful to the health and the ones that blur your mind basically.  And this is the verse you tried to mention"And of the fruits of date-palm, and grapes from which you make intoxicants, as well as wholesome sustenace. In this indeed is a message for those who use their sense."

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

Saudis are people too. Islam recognizes the fact that humans are prone to commit sins. Many points are left open for free reasoning. I have found a quotation from Mohammad which explains what the basis must be when determining what´s halal and what is haram:

If something is harmful in large quantity, even a small quantity of it is haram too. Alcohol is one such food. It is harmful in large quantity and makes you forget the word of God; so even a tiny amount of it is haram too. At least, as stated by Mohammad.

 

As an example to the point I made at the beginning of the paragraph, the verse in Quran can be paraphrased like this: From dates and grapes one makes several drinks some are healthy and some are harmful. Use your reasoning to find which one is halal and which one is haram.

 

 



Thread: Saðlýklý Beslenme ve Yaþama

543.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:28 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´ve also had discussion with muslim people on shrimps... Some say (although I highly doubt them ) that tiny shrimp are okay, but things like lobsters are not. I think it´s not an interpretation issue, but that shrimp are just not halal. I guess they just made up these exception-rule for themselves so they could eat shrimp

 

 

 Even in Saudi Arabia lots of restaurants serving shrimps and lobsters, Saudi´s eat them freely...



Edited (1/25/2010) by armegon



Thread: Saðlýklý Beslenme ve Yaþama

544.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:23 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

Any sea animal other than fish is not helal.

 

Vegeterianism: refusing to eat meat is contrary to God´s will. However, if someone doesn´t eat meat through preference or because of a health problem. His diet is halal.

 

Alcohol consumption, transportation of alcoholic drinks, buying, selling and being in the company of those consuming alcohol are all haram.

 

 

 Not true of course, no Quranic basis...



Thread: Turk to Eng help needed - thanks in advance

545.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Jan 2010 Sun 03:58 pm

Dearest, believe me, i would like to accompany with you and hug you very much, keep your morale high/boosted, short time left, i kiss you big from delicate part of your body.

Quoting Suzie

canım inanki yanında olup sana sarılmayı çok istiyorum ama morelini yüksek tut az kaldı kocaman öptüm en narin yerinden

 

 

 

 



Thread: Mongolia to import 20.000 males from Turkey

546.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Jan 2010 Fri 05:59 pm

  

Quoting lemon

 

 

have your facts, first, canim. you ve got nothing to do with mongolians (nor central asians) genetically. linguistically, yes.

turks are greeks. they are europeans, not asians.

 

 

In fact Turkey Turks are the essence of Turkic people, as they were never ruled by Mongolians or Russians centuries like the ones in central Asia as some of them hardly speak Turkish like all speak Russian.  Throughout the history Oghuzs were mixed with persians, greks,arabs etc but the dominant was always the Turkic culture since then they began to call them Turks instead of Oghuzs, other ones are sub-cultures so in that essence we can say Greks are Turks ...

 



Edited (1/22/2010) by armegon



Thread: Mongolia to import 20.000 males from Turkey

547.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Jan 2010 Fri 04:40 pm

 

Quoting oeince

Here is the poster of the campaign

 

 

 constructive Turkish people {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: In Love with Turkish Men?

548.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Jan 2010 Fri 04:36 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

 What is this? The synopsis of a soap opera?

 

 Barba has many friends, each´s life may be used as a scenario of a soap opera{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Thread: Norway does it again

549.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Jan 2010 Fri 04:34 pm

Yeah, i have seen many hypocrites as well, who are trying their best to justify terrorism by using famous terms like democracy and human rights, so that i cannot sympathise with them certainly, i think those are most dangerous than those terrorists and deserve to be punished...

 

Quoting catwoman

but they never criticize their own country for the terrorism it does to their own population. That is why I cannot sympathize with those people at all, they are hypocrites to me, who are accomplices in the crime, and deserve to be punished.

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

550.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 11:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHPWDQw3J4Y  {#emotions_dlg.wtf}



Thread: what caught my eye today

551.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 10:00 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

But what you are saying is the same as saying that all muslims are terrotists is the truth, not racism. How come you see this behavior in others, but not in yourself? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

 , be sure from the beginning i tell the same things that Yersu mentioned, what about you? Do you say all muslims are terrorists is the truth all the time? And you are talking about sincerety. Btw where did Yersu call all Kurds are primitive and backward? He just told its their culture...



Thread: what caught my eye today

552.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:18 am

 

Quoting Yersu

 

 

I prefer to be called Realist I can´t bother trying to express my thoughts in a politically correct manner, my English ins´t that good for that yet anyway.

 

 I have to say your english is excellent, much better than mine



Thread: what caught my eye today

553.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:13 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

And you don´t wonder about her committing suicide as the second member of the same family? Her sister (supposedly) committed suicide in 1997 (or 1996, can´t remember). Weird, that deaths are administrated as suicides. Looks like a huge covering up to me.

 

Everything possible, i just put what i read...



Thread: what caught my eye today

554.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:10 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That´s just ridiculous and racist.

 

 Saying the truth is not racism i think. Yersu, it seems you are the new racist member Wink 



Thread: what caught my eye today

555.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:59 pm

I wonder if anyone read here read that news, it says she committed suicide, thats because of the love letter she wrote to her classmate, and letter was caught by her teacher. Brainless teacher spreaded that news so she was very afraid and ashamed, of course thats the result of their society...



Thread: what caught my eye today

556.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:55 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

 

 

Turkish government has been trying to prevent all these töre related issues, but it just doesn´t work. Every attemp is regarded as an assault on their culture, because they define themselves with töre.

 

 

 Maybe they should appeal to their great mother Daniella Mitterand



Thread: what caught my eye today

557.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:52 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

i dont know. they get offended by anything.

 

 

 

Haha, tell this to those who starts the sentence "firstly im not christian but" & "it is horrible however" etc, ok lemon the nightmare of zurna players?



Thread: Norway does it again

558.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:49 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

an, I said what I meant - I sympathize with victims of racism, but I seriously doubt the sincerity of some people who keep on criticizing others, but are unable to criticize themselves, and turn very aggressive and defensive when that is pointed out. As I said, people like that will turn around and abuse others when THEY are in the position of power.

  you are copying again, let me remind you once more, who doubt about who is sincerety first, just remember the wilders thread and your u-turns, does it sound similar?

 



Thread: Norway does it again

559.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 10:33 pm

cw, you dont know what you are talking, you are again the one who diverted subject to Turkey and i didnt comment on this thread till this. As far as i remember many times i have seen when Turkey was being lowered here in past, a Turkish member put forward similar examples from other countries, you and some members were whinning, can you remember?

 

By the way i was serious in my previous comment on this thread not an irony. I cannot advice any foreigners to come to Turkey and to live in Turkey after i had checked your link "Global Peace Index", i guess this would be better for them and better for Turks as well.  Apart from these i know the problems of my country and try to say my truths and critics as much as i can, since here most of the topics are about Turkey. And i know how you criticize if the western countries should be condemned like "yes it was horrible but blah blah", "yes im very sad however blah blah". Anyway i dont care you call me racist, feel free to do it, i got used to hear it from the times of theh ... 

Quoting catwoman

Armegon, Vineyards... as I said, you have every right to criticize racism when you see it in others, but since you are so sensitive to people´s suffering, how come I don´t see you criticizing yourselves/your country? People are people no matter what nationality they are, and you have more power changing your own country then other countries, and as it seems there is a lot of work you/your country need to do. I definitely sympathize with the victims of racism in Norway/Europe.. but I do not believe that some of the people here (and I don´t mean Vineyards) are so concerned with racism because they are sensitive to ALL racism, but only when people from their country/their religion encounter problems. They see no problem with their own racism.

 

 



Thread: Norway does it again

560.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 09:52 am

 

Quoting catwoman

According to the Global Peace Index 2009, in the category of "hostility to foreigners" Norway gets 0/5, while Turkey gets 4/5. Where is your (Turkish people in general, and Vineyards in particular) criticism of yourselves? I only see how all of you complain of you being discriminated and victimized, but what about your own xenophobic and racist attitudes?

That is not to say that you are wrong to criticize others, but it sounds very suspicous and hypocritical when you yourselves behave in ways that apparently are worse then what you criticize in others.. and you don´t say or do anything about that. It kind of looks like Turkey has more to improve then Norway does in this respect..

 

I agree, Turkey needs to improve much more than Norway. As a result, it is adviced, do not come to Turkey or live in Turkey, you would probably be beaten, raped, tortured or killed(if u are armenian, be more careful in Turkey). There is terrorism in Turkey as well and we cannot keep up with the famous globalization... 

 



Thread: comments to translations

561.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 11:59 pm

I am against giving personal comments, advices and warnings in translations, it should be just translation, i think thats what the poster needs. If you really feel you need to say something or you need to warn poster, it would be better via pm...



Thread: Please look - I´m on Hurriyet!

562.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 10:38 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

Wow really nice! You sound like a native speaker except for a little accent on some wovels. Congrats for being on Hürriyet!

 

Btw. as a Turkish person I never understood why people are obsessed with foreigners speaking Turkish. They find it amusing and funny most of the time, not mentioning the Turkish Olympics etc. I guess this has to do with the failed Imperial past and the inferiority complex resulting from being a 3rd world country. Oh well..

 

 what imperial past? And this has nothing to do with inferiority complex, i think its rather when a foreigner tries to speak Turkish, they usually sound cute and Turks enjoy it...  



Thread: Please look - I´m on Hurriyet!

563.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 10:30 pm

haha great , from where did they take your vid? youtube? Btw you really did a good job, i enjoy it, congrats

 

Comment below the video: Here you see a foreign woman who settled in Turkey. She hasnt been able to fully pronounce Turkish yet but see how this beautiful blonde sang the song which all we know.  



Thread: Diye

564.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 03:29 pm

it can also mean "in case"...



Thread: Eng to Turk please - thanks in advance

565.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 11:38 pm

 

Quoting Suzie

The 9th is great.  I have booked some holidays from my job but I will have still have to go to work for three days when you are here.  I can´t wait to see you.

 

(Ayın) Dokuzu harika. İşten izin ayarladım ama yinede sen buradayken, üç gün için işe gitmek zorunda kalacağım. Seni görmek için sabırsızlanıyorum.

 



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

566.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:41 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 I am comparing here, turkey and EU economies, do you think  there are not unemployed people in EU even in France, Germany, Spain, Greece. what about poland, Slovakia or romania?

they are not better than turkey, even our goverment has sold many resources to foreigners.

 

EU has lost its charm and attractiveness, and they dont have anything to give turkey maybe they can get many things from Turkey.

 

 

Hmm ok then, i was only talking about Turkey that interests me much, possibly i was sticked to the statement "fast growing economy" part just because i havent heard about healthy fast growing economy without production and fabrication rather than foreign money yet...



Edited (1/17/2010) by armegon



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

567.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 11:02 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Sir, yes, sir! {#emotions_dlg.ninja}

 

But I still believe EU had its reasons not to do away with visas for these countries (and a mockery of a country){#emotions_dlg.silenced}

 

  sorry, if i sounded harsh...



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

568.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:50 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Sure not, they´re not even likely to apply - what´s the point lol It was just an example of non-Muslim European country that needs visas to enter EU

 

Out for those who applied - Serbia, Macedonia nad Montenegro got visa free entry and Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo didn´t - the reason given was not coming up to EU standards in therm of border control for example, but I also read they might be given visa-free passes this year (not Kosovo of course ).

 

The point is i thought we are talking about countries that are applied for membership

claiming that they are part of EU, not the countries that are not insterested. You can also give China as an example of non-muslim country that needs visa to enter EU countries . And we are talking about EU´s discrimination and hypocracy over some countries, understood?



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

569.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:21 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Yeap - how about Russia not being granted visa-free travel in the EU? To my best knowledge they aren´t predominantly Muslim either...

 

As far as i know Russia has not applied for EU membership, i think they have no interest to be a memberWink



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

570.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:33 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

I guess those "service numbers" are generally just ´great´ around the world

 

 What service numbers?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

571.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:28 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.

 

Exactly, and the ones who escape from army are mostly the Kurds and now with new trend rich green money holders as they are on same boat... 



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

572.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:23 am

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

and turkeys economy depends on western visitors.

 

 

 Not true of course, i bet it will be better if we dont accept foreign tourists ...



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

573.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 02:19 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

Turkey is in the middle of most important energy sources, and one of the biggest economy and one of the the fast growing economy in the region. I dont know if europe has a big energy source for long term?  

 

Fast growing economy? with millions of unemployed people. How is it possible? I agree Turkey has got many resources but all gifted to foreign enterprices or cannot be used. Nothing left to be sold but Turkey´s debt reached to a record.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

The "we didn´t get visas abolished because we´re Muslims" slogan is tiresome. The USA hasn´t abolished visas for Poles athough it did so for The Czech Republic because of what? Are we too Muslim for them? It´s nonsense.

Your example is irrelevant, do you have another example rather than this? Why did EU remove visa for Serbia since they just applied for EU membership but not for Bosnia, Albania & Kosova?

 



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

574.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:55 pm

 

Quoting lemon

where the heck you got the idea of bufallo? are there such in turkey? we dont have them in KZ but still have kaymak which we also call kilegei.

 

Yes, it is called "manda" in Turkey , but their production and looking after them is really so hard so their number is decreasing. Some places are famous with manda yoghurt and kaymak in Turkey. People say best kaymak is made with manda milk. Cow kaymak is yellowish but manda kaymak is white like snow...



Thread: Behind, opposite and in front, some help with some word corrections lütfen

575.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:48 pm

 

Quoting Gülümseme

ı 

Quoting ally81

Arka - behind

 

arkası - behind something

 

 Could somebody explain this to me as I am a little confused . I thought that behind ( a thing )  was shown with  arkasında not just arkası

 

Arkasında . Like arabanın arkasında - behind the car  

 

many thanks

 

 "arabanın arkasında- behind the car" is the correct one. "arabanın arkası" means "back of the car"... 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

576.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:22 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

The next step is to ask somebody to send you their mobile phones or laptops or paying off your debts lol

 

On a serious note, that´s a frustrating situation, kind of a catch 22 - if you can´t use a mobile, they´ll send you a device that´ll send you a code to your mobile. i hope you´ll get it sorted soon. And it´s strange you cannot activate roaming from abroad. I remember I did after I realised I hadn´t done it before going abroad. My friend went to my operator and said I needed it. And that was it.

 

 

I had already done it, my debts were paid, thanks to family , no problem till next month . Regarding the roaming, my operator says i should have opened roaming service before i had gone abroad. Btw im using an invoiced number, so they are also asking for ID card...



Thread: Behind, opposite and in front, some help with some word corrections lütfen

577.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:12 pm

 

Quoting ally81

Could someone correct these for me and maybe help with the last one, i got completely lost on it! {#emotions_dlg.doh}

 

Arka - behind

 

arkası - behind something

arkamda - behind me

arkanda - behind you

arkasında - behind him/her/it

arkamızda - behind us

arkanızda - behind you (plural)

arkalarında - behind them

 

Karşı - opposite

 

karşısı - opposite something

karşımda - opposite me

karşında - opposite you

karşısında - opposite him/her/it

karşımızda - opposite us

karşınızda - opposite you (plural)

karşılarında - opposite them

 

ön - front - ???

bir şeyin önünde-in front of something

önümde-in front of me

önünde-in front of you

onun önünde-in front of him/her/it

önünüzde-in front you(plural)

önümüzde-in front of us

onların önünde-in front of them

 

 

I´m not sure on this one, could someone help me make it like the above, ie. making it in front of something, in front of me, in front of you etc.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, şimdi teşekkür Smile

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

578.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:58 pm

I cannot use my interactive account because of mobile approval code, a new system in Turkish banks till 01/01/2010. They send a password to ur mobile via sms but since im abroad and my phone number which is recorded on their system is not open for roaming, i cannot receive smses.  I called the customer services of my service provider to use roaming, they replied not possible since im abroad, i called the banks to change my phone number recorded on their system, they replied not possible since im abroad, i asked the girl on the phone "suppose im a person who is not using cellphones, dont i have right to use internet to access my account?",  the answer was funny, she said " we sent you a device that generates mobile approval code with a reasonable price", i said "ok", but then she said "the first code will come to my cellphone"{#emotions_dlg.head_bang}.  Simply now i have debts, i cannot pay, i need to send money but i cannot . The last way out is to send my sim card to Turkey ...    



Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

579.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:23 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

Female water buffalo is called ´female water buffalo´ and male water buffalo is called ´male water buffalo´  

 

Reyhan ´buffalo´ is the name of the animal - not the sex!

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.applause}{#emotions_dlg.lol}



Thread: What are you listening now?

580.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jan 2010 Tue 12:12 am

Emel Sayın-Ah bu şarkıların gözü kör olsun

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yykhFTJHKhA   perfect Turkish

 



Thread: Pls translate this line in turkish plssss

581.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jan 2010 Mon 12:58 pm

Gerçi sadece biraz anlıyorum ama bundan (yinede) hoşlanıyorum.



Thread: what caught my eye today

582.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jan 2010 Tue 09:48 am

M.Ali Ağca applied for Polish citizenship{#emotions_dlg.satisfied_nod}...



Thread: British Visa for Turkish Citizens

583.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jan 2010 Tue 09:08 am

This all things are because of our idiotic governments. In international affairs reciprocity should be strictly followed. Today foreign tourists have much cheaper holidays in luxury hotels than a regular Turkish citizen living in Turkey. When a Turk wants to stay in those hotels, price maybe doubled or tripled in some cases or Turks are not able find vacancies. All governments say the reason is to invite more foreign tourists which sounds really nonsense to me. Turks cannot enjoy a holiday in their own country as much as a tourist can which makes me angry. Tourism industry is a big balloon in Turkey(small amount of gnp). I dont  care if tourists prefer Spain, Greece or other touristic countries when the conditions are changed, in fact i think it will be better and then Turks can enjoy holidays in their own country...



Thread: trk to eng

584.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Dec 2009 Sat 08:45 am

light in weight but heavy in value.

 

Famous principle among burglars ... 



Edited (12/19/2009) by armegon



Thread: pronunciation of "e" in turkish

585.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Dec 2009 Sat 08:28 am

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 Actually, officially they arent  You would hear it only in ´folk tongue´ though. It is kind of like the difference in the last n of ´nörüyon´ and ´napiyon´. Someone in Yozgat saying nörüyon pronounces that n differently than someone from Ankara asking ´napiyon´. It is about the ´original´ sounds of Turkish, though I realise that that is kind of debatable.

 

However, in nowadays Turkish they are pronounced the same, yes, and my point there was not to teach anyone to pronounce them differently (though so far I have come across 2 persons who do ), but to illustrate why it is cumbersome to give pronounciation-examples for Turkish by giving loanword-examples.

 

Regarding "nörüyon" people sometimes swallow the last "n" i think, its also popular in Kastamonu region . But i havent realised any different pronounciation of "ben(me) & ben(mole)" so far. Maybe one shouldnt be a native to realise this {#emotions_dlg.unsure}... 



Edited (12/20/2009) by Deli_kizin
Edited (12/20/2009) by Deli_kizin [my apologies. I accidentally clicked ´modify´ instead of ´quote´ and ended up modifying your post Armegon. Sorry :D DK]



Thread: Need help with this song please.....

586.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Dec 2009 Sat 08:01 am

http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/turkish-lyrics-translation/52580-hadise-askkolik-into-english-please.html#post442865



Thread: Marriage and Children

587.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Dec 2009 Sat 08:00 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

as I know, after divorce mother and father have same rights and they consider all conditions for child´s future.

a few months ago, on the news, a japanese woman won the court and took his son to japan in Urfa or maras. family didnt want to give the child, but police did a operation and took child from them and send to japan with his mother.

 

 The city was Antep and they got married in Japan...



Thread: Kiz kardesimin hikayesi

588.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Dec 2009 Mon 12:09 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Have not seen it but...... without causing offence .... isn´t it a bit of a "chick flick"?

 

 Yep, kız işi



Thread: Esengül - Taht Kurmuşsun Kalbime

589.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Dec 2009 Mon 12:07 am

Her real name is Esen Ağan. She was a club singer at the time of 70´s when big clubs and mafia were popular in İstanbul. She has also many albums and a movie "Yansın Bu Dünya". I think this is the movie in the clip.  She was singing arabesque songs. She had also realtionship with mafia. And she died in a car accident in İstanbul at the age of 24 but there were rumours that she was killed...

 

info about her(in Turkish)---- http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eseng%C3%BCl



Thread: Kiz kardesimin hikayesi

590.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2009 Sun 02:47 pm

 

Quoting melek08

Yes, I know this film is not Turkish - but I am looking for a place to buy the dvd (in Turkish or with Turkish subtitles) or a safe place to download it.

 

Anyone?

 

 

And if you haven`t seen this movie, watch it!!!

And don`t forget to read the book

(My sister`s keeper)

 

Film title translated into Turkish as "Kızkardeşim için". My advice if you are too sensitive, do not  watch it...



Thread: Private lessons online

591.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2009 Sun 02:43 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 Is there really anyone here who believed "free course" lie???

We made joke when someone post a free turkish course but only to women!

 

i think yes, maybe they have good convincing abilities{#emotions_dlg.unsure}...

 

p.s. We are asking what happened to emoticons btw...



Thread: Visa nightmares haunt Turkish citizens

592.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2009 Sun 02:36 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Anyway, there is nothing special about the UK anyway - its cold, wet and dull   Go to Cuba or South America instead - more fun, less hassle, no visa required and nicer people! lol

 

 We Turks will take your word Wink



Thread: Visa nightmares haunt Turkish citizens

593.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2009 Sun 01:46 pm

 

Quoting si++

For a person like me, this is all known. I had similar experinces sometimes like this. I don´t wanna talk much about ´em.

 

 seems we Turks arent liked much



Thread: Armenian children forced to read in the dark in Turkey

594.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2009 Sun 01:37 pm

Who forced? their parents? stupid title of a article...



Thread: Turkish to English please - \"tekinler\"

595.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 04:19 pm

It means reliable of course otherwise Turks do not give it as a name to their childs ...

 

Bu adam tekin değil--->This man is not reliable.



Thread: Selvi Boylum Al Yazmalim

596.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 01:06 pm

I think you can watch it part by part on youtube ...



Thread: Turkish to English please - \"tekinler\"

597.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 01:05 pm

If "tekin" is used for people here, it means "reliable/trustable".

 

So your translation maybe;

 

I have seen many reliable people, they attach it in daytime, remove it and bring it to home at night.



Thread: cell phones in turkey

598.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 12:41 am

Your friend can also find it in airport, i think its about 20-30 TL with 100 credits...



Thread: All Men Watch Porn, Scientists Find

599.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 12:36 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Just wondering...is there a ban on pornography in radically Islamic countries like Saudi?

 

 The answer is yes...



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

600.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 12:35 am

It seems you again managed to divert the thread to TCK 301{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}.  We have also similar laws that punishes insulting symbols, amblems, flags and president of foreign nations. Why does not anyone want it to be abolished as well? EU missed those i think . As far as i remember Turkish Minister of Justice  once exampled convictions because of similar laws like 301 in other countries...



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

601.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 12:29 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

About 95% of the Turkish men were cheating on either there wives, their fiancees, or their girlfriends. Some of them, were even cheating on their first wife with a second wife, on their second wife with a serious girlfriend, and with their serious girlfriend with one night stands. About 60% had used women to get visa´s or money or both.

 

Hayallah



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

602.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Dec 2009 Tue 04:52 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

True, I don´t have any evidence, yet.. although it would be interesting to look into it. There IS a LAW in Turkey about insulting Turkishness, that is even more ridiculous, you must admit. And I´m pretty sure someone went to jail for denying "armenian genocide" under the Law 301.

 

 Subject is Switzerland´s law and you changed it to Turkish law 301 to defence these laws. We call it "kıvırtma" in Turkish. FYI then many countries have that similar ridiculous laws. It is not unique to Turkey. You can begin with checking Polish one for  example. Btw Turkish one has changed, there is no "Türklük" anymore since it is uncertain.



Thread: what caught my eye today

603.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Nov 2009 Sun 12:59 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I couldn´t understand the article.. but did she apply for asylum?

 

Yes, she did, she applied to UN refugee agency, she is now waiting for the decision of Turkish authorities. Turkey has two choices, either she will be deported to another country or will be sent back to Iran...



Thread: CHAMPIONS LEAUGE - SOCCER

604.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 10:50 pm

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

 

 

dooru fener, gasaray olsa 8-10 tane yer, maç zevkli geçerdi. sen de haklısın dostum

 

then you would enjoy the game. you are right it was boring for manch. utd fans like you

 

 Replied to me?? Either way you seem such pissed up...Wink



Thread: what caught my eye today

605.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 10:12 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

I haven´t seen any reference to this in the news anyplace........but under the circumstances......wouldn´t she qualify as a political refugee and be given sanctuary?

 

Her name is Nigar Azizmuradi, my mistake sorry ...I hope she would be given sanctuary, it is very cruel to punish anyone because of his/her beliefs. I wondered why they insistently announce her as an atheist since she is a member of a cult. Already realized a Turkish newspaper started a campaign in order not to send her back to Iran, below is the link;

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/13044967.asp?gid=229



Thread: Native Language

606.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 06:18 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

I don´t understand what you mean in the second part of your sentence.  ´you can work and travel everywhere if you have a good language package´ - ok - but do you mean ´English, Spanish and Chinese are not important´ or ´English is not important and Spanish and Chinese are´?

 

I guess she tries to say there not only English, Spanish and Chinese are important but all languages. But i really think nifrtity needs a spelling revolution in all languages she knew or maybe a new keyboard.



Thread: what caught my eye today

607.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 05:35 pm

An Iranian woman Nigar Azizmahmudi, one of the raelian cult member got arrested in Turkey because of passport problems, if she is given back to Iran, possibly she will be executed. The interesting thing is Turkish media is presenting her as an atheist but it is clear she seems not...



Thread: what caught my eye today

608.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 05:32 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

And I definitely would not turn down an organ that could save my son´s life. I´d get one for him even if I had to kill somebody for it. Sorry.

 

Its better if you give your organ instead of killing someone? Did you also watch John Q last night?{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: Latest Good Movies

609.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 02:24 am

Now watching movie called John Q, i have found a channel broadcasting good movies each night though quality is not so good ...

 

p.s: i think this is the week of Denzel Washington.

Quoting armegon

I watched man on fire lately, it was a good movie.Wink

 

 



Edited (11/26/2009) by armegon



Thread: help with english to turkish please

610.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 02:20 am

Bu önemli üç işlev çok hızlı ve kolay bir şekilde "sms oluştur"a erişerek, şifrenizi girerek ve her seferinde ilgili irtibat telefon numarasını takip eden 2 sayılı kod ile LCD ekranlı cep telefonunuza kuralabilir. Şifrenizin ilk değeri 0000 olarak atanmıştır, ancak kurulum tamamlandıktan sonra değiştirilmelidir.

Quoting Volex

 

These three important fnctions can be set up quickly and easily from your pwn mobile phone with LCD display, by accessing "create sms" and entering your password and a 2-digit code, followed by the relevant contact phone number in each case. Your password has been preset at 0000, but should be changed after setup has been completed.

 

 

Tesekur ederim!

/Volex

 

 



Thread: CHAMPIONS LEAUGE - SOCCER

611.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 02:18 am

Anyway congrats to Bjk ...



Thread: T to E please..short one...:)

612.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 02:02 am

Where? What girl? You are like blind. There isnt any girl.



Thread: CHAMPIONS LEAUGE - SOCCER

613.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 01:30 am

 

Quoting turkishcobra

 

 it is very clear that you don´t get from watching match Cool

 

Just look at the league as you can see they are one of the less-scoring team. All matches they won 1-0, they are kind of counter-attack team. They defend with 10 players and their players are standard not so qualified, i think it is one of their tradition...

 



Thread: TÜRKÇESİ VARKEN (2)

614.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 01:21 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

I stopped taking them seriously after Güneş Dil Teorisi

 

 

 

 

 "Güneş Dil Teorisi" is just a theory like many others as it is searching the origins of first language but contains lots of interesting knowledges . Nowadays it is popular among linguists by the way...



Thread: TÜRKÇESİ VARKEN (2)

615.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 01:17 am

 

Quoting gizopy.

 

 

yerleşke isn´t funny really, we use it.. at least in Ankara

 

 i agree, it is all about getting used to it...



Thread: CHAMPIONS LEAUGE - SOCCER

616.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Nov 2009 Thu 01:15 am

It was a boring match, actually all matches of Bjk are boring ...



Thread: Latest Good Movies

617.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2009 Wed 05:04 pm

I watched man on fire lately, it was a good movie.Wink



Thread: T to E help me......

618.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2009 Wed 04:57 pm

 

Quoting ezgi180

you have got some mistakes in your message :

 

 you have got many



Thread: Homework translation please

619.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Nov 2009 Mon 06:04 am

 my try of two sentences{#emotions_dlg.confused}...

Quoting Deli_kizin 

Diğer yandan, Anayasaya göre, cumhurbaşkanının mecliste her yıl kasım ayı başında, hükümetin geçen yılki çalışmaları ve gelecek yıl için alınması gereken kararlar ve önlemler konusunda bir söylev vermesi ya da bu söylevini başbakan okutturması, bu ilke ile çelişiyordu.

 

On the other hand, according to constitution, every year of early November, the president´s giving speeches or making prime minister read them in parliament about the government´s works of past year and about their next year´s precautions and decisions which should be taken into consideration, was contradicting with this principle.

 

Eğer cumhurbaşkanı, söylevinde, hükümetin, yani iktidar partisinin etkinliklerinden ve gelecekle ilgili siyası karar ve düşüncelerinden söz ediyorsa, bu halde de, hükümetin etkinliklerinden dolayı siyasi sorumluluğu olmayan cumhurbaşkanının söylevinin, esas itibariyle, hükümetin görüş ve önerileri doğrultusunda hazırlanmış  siyası birmetin olması kaçınılmazdı.

 

If the president, in the speech, is talking about government´s, in other words ruling party´s activities and their future political decisons and thoughts, as well in this case, the speech of president who does not have political responsibility, in that essence, would be unavoidably a political text that had been prepared due to government´s thoughts and proposals.

 

 



Thread: Homework translation please

620.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Nov 2009 Mon 05:21 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin 

 Cumhurbaşkanı eğer söylevinde kişisel görüşlerini ifade ediyorsa, bu duruma, güçler birliği ilkesi gereğince, yasama yetkisinin ve yürütme erkinin toplandığı TBMMce seçilen cumhubaşkanının, meclise herhangi bir konuda görüş bildirmesi ya da öneri getirmesi düşünülemezdi.

 

This sentence seems not healthy, seems there is "anlatım bozukluğu". Perhaps a Turkish teacher can clarify this...



Thread: Help with Turkish- English translation

621.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Nov 2009 Mon 05:12 am

 

Quoting 12skipafew

I was wondering if someone could translate these phrases for me. I´ve been trying to do it myself for a few days, but can´t seem to make much sense of any of it. Thanks in advance, it´s really appreciated.

 

-Beni yoksa benimle eyleniyormusun.

Are you teasing with me?

 

-Nasilsin ziril miril hamami sosimi nusisi bucaca.

How are you?(after nasılsın not meaningful)

 

 -Yattinmi birtanem.

Have you gone to bed my only one?

 

-Bana kolay kolay besey olmaz.

Nothing happens to me easily.

 

Thanks again. teşekkür ederim

 

 



Thread: t to e please

622.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Nov 2009 Mon 01:22 am

I have never lied to anyone in my life and i have never cheated anyone in the life, always i was the one who was cheated. I always trusted in people and i was the one always cheated on. Maybe you do not believe me, you are also right because you were cheated too but do not liken me to everyone, i do not cheat on you.

Quoting jenniecakes

ben hayat

ımda kimseye yalan söylemedim ve hayatta kimseyi aldatmadım hep ıldatıldım hep ben güvendim ve hep ben aldatıldım belki bana inanmıyosun sende haklısın çünkü sende aldatılmışsın ama beni herkese benzetme ben seni ıldatmam

 

 



Thread: Nostalgy with Sertab Erener

623.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Nov 2009 Mon 01:15 am

 

Quoting turkishcobra

I have collected some old songs of her, they are old but still worth to listen.

 

 Good choices turkishcobraWink. welcome forum by the  way...



Thread: Dolmuþ

624.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:50 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 I bet it was a German tourist. They seem to have a habit of pronouncing ´var´ as ´vaaa´.

 

 Who knows?



Thread: Dolmuþ

625.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:43 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 Same for me! I made the unforgiveable mistake that when I didnt speak Turkish yet, I noticed the driver didnt hear an old lady say she wanted to get off, so in my effort of being helpful I repeated what I thought was ´Inek var´

 

lol

 

 Your example is #50 in the link i gave ...



Thread: Dolmuþ

626.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:33 pm

check below link for more examples if you know Turkish well...

http://sozluk.sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=dolmu%C5%9Fta+incem+deme+%C5%9Fekilleri



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

627.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 05:13 pm

Please delete all Turkish posts in the thread then...

And the quoted ones of course...

Actually it will be better if you delete the whole thread

Quoting catwoman

I´m sorry, but I´m going to have to delete some posts if you keep ignoring the request to write in English. You all speak very good English and since this is a "Turkish teaching web site", most people don´t speak Turkish here, but would like to learn about Turkish culture from such discussions. Furthermore, it is the forum rule to write in English in these sections of the forum.

 

 



Edited (11/22/2009) by armegon
Edited (11/22/2009) by armegon



Thread: Dolmuþ

628.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 04:25 pm

 

Quoting tccio

say to him "dayı beni indirecenmi"

he should be a bit elder

 

Yep, this is the most appropriate way, especially when they hear it from a tourist girl, they will be shocked for sure, kitlenip kalırlar {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}  



Thread: what caught my eye today

629.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 04:05 pm

 Good news, they all saved...

Quoting armegon

University students who were going to Rize from Erzurum/İspir, were stucked on the Ovit pass because of avalanche. The midibus is under snow for hours and the ones who went to save them got lost too. May God help them...

 

 



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

630.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 04:00 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 this government seems to forget the ´national conscience´ is a valid concept in politics.

 

This government seems to forget many things, people become to hostile eachother, there is a big decomposition going on, like "Müslüman-Laik, Alevi-Sunni, Türk-Kürt" etc, thanks to US and EU, AKP is the horse of troy inside much more dangerous than terorist pkk because they are more sneaky. We have always teror in our country, but people never became such hostile to eachother, AKP succeeded this in a very short time. Turkey has many problems such as unemployment, millions do not have a job, but everyday we see on TVs, people are talking about these decompositions, each day government changes the agenda by this way they continue their sneaky duties given by outside. People continue to sleep. From now on there is no way back, it wont be possible to clean the devastation that AKP caused...



Thread: Kara Lahana

631.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 01:43 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

I always thought that this was specifically Dutch (boerenkool) but on Wikipedia it says it is the basic nourishment of the East Black Sea region. Does anyone know where I can buy this?

 

Not sure but you may find it in Bazaars. By the way there is kind of it peculiar west black sea region called "mancar", i dont think many Turks heard about it ...



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

632.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 01:17 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 Are you a Turkish Teacher who teaches Turkish to foreigners but cannot understand a simple ´WRITE İN ENGLİSH PLEASE´. Many members would really appreciate the effort of translating your posts.

 

Güya he tries to be ironic, so its possible you could not understand his Turkish, let me translate shortly, he tries to say people live a wealthy life because of AKP shortly lol



Thread: Dolmuþ

633.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 12:59 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

 I like it! We say hoca to everyone, it gives me sort of a ´communist feeling of equality´.

 

 Thats just peculiar to ODTÜ unfortunately ...



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

634.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 12:50 pm

 Bu arada Onur Öymen´in bizzat kendisi de Alevidir...

Quoting armegon

Onur Öymen de yanlış bir şey söylememiştir, söyledikleri doğrudur.  

 

 

 



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

635.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 12:36 pm

İlk olarak Dersim katliamı değil Dersim İsyanı, CHPyle bir ilgim yoktur ayrıca, halam ÖDP il başkanıdır her ne kadar ben çoğu görüşünü benimsemesemde. Şimdi sen AKP faşizmini görmeyip bana öncekilerden bahsedersen, benim için söylediklerinin hiçbir kıymeti yoktur.

 

Onur Öymen de yanlış bir şey söylememiştir, söyledikleri doğrudur. Tunceli olayları Kürt ırkçılığının mezhep maskesi altına bürünmüşüdür. Alevilikle de alakası yoktur oradakilerin Kürt alevisi olması dışında. İsyancıların o dönemde civarda bulunan Erzincan, Elazığ, Sivas bölgesindeki köyleri basıp 20 binden fazla Türkü kırmasına ses çıkarmayan Kürt ırkçıları, devletin haklı müdahalesi sonunda teslim olmak yerine devlete kafa tutup ölenlerin ardından, yas tutmaktadır şimdi öyle mi? İsyanı yapanlara o kadar insanın ölmesine sebep olanlara laf yok ama değil mi? Bugün PKK ne ise o gün Tunceli daha beteriydi, bugün PKK´nın fiilen ele geçirdiği bir karış toprağımız yokken, Tunceli isyanında Tunceli, Elazığ, Erzincan ve Sivas´ın doğusu isyancıların eline geçmiştir, devlette bunları çiçekle karşılayamazdı herhalde, bilginize...

 

Quoting Turkish-Teacher

 

 

Ben demokrasinin halkın istediği rejimin olduğuna inanıyorum. chp gibi "Bütün partiler kapatılsın 46 öncesi gibi tek bir parti olsun biz kendi kendimizi seçelim. Hayır, Türkiye demokrat ve laik olarak kalacak.

 

Dersim katliamını öven, binlerce masum Alevinin katledilmesine sessiz kalanların demokratik olmadıklarına inanıyorum. Öymen konuşmayı yaparken şaklaban gibi alkışlayıp sonra Tuncelili Alevi vatandaşım tepkisini ortaya koyunca kıvıran kılıçdaroğlunun da demokratik olmadığına inanıyorum.

 

Hadeple birleşip, leyla zanaları, hatip dicleleri meclise sokan chp/shp terörist değil ama akp onlar konuşunca akp terörist.

 

iki kez gel cemevime, pir sultan abdal şenliklerine katıl göstermelik sonra gel benim oyumu al . bu mu Atatürkçülük bu mu laiklik.

 

hürriyet, milliyet, posta gibi din istismarı gazetecilerden de bıktı mu millet. 11 ay çırılçıplak kadın resmi, Ramazanda 30 kupona Kuranı Kerim

 

Dindar değilim ama dindarlara saygılıyımdır. Alevi Dedesi olsun , Cami imamı olsun hepsine saygım vardır.

 

Yaşasın laik, Atatürkçü, sosyal demokrat Türkiye. Yuh olsun sosyal demokratım deyip bizi birbirimize düşürenlere.

 

 



Thread: Dolmuþ

636.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:20 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

If you are taking a dolmuş going to or coming from ODTÜ/METU, you can say Hocam

 

  yeah, thats the one the first thing that i realized when i began to study there...



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

637.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:18 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

Kisnemek zatiniza mahsus.....

 

lol



Thread: Turkish anger over Herman Van Rompuy appointment

638.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2009 Sun 10:17 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

The mistake you make in your argument is blaming Europe for being scared of AKP and Islamization.

 

The mistake you make in your argument, you are unable to realize that AKP is the dog of US & EU, maybe that is why famous west seem to think feto is an intellectuel which made me lol. By the way most of Turkish people do not have fear(the licker media has of course) as fear not recorded in lexicon but they are mostly worried when they see how AKP is similar to the armistice government of Ottoman. In fact AKP tries to inject fear into Turks via the hoax of Ergenekon as many innocent intellectuels are jailed and are in prison for nearly 2 years without knowing their guilt(2 years they are in jail and trial still continues). Their guilt is clear actually, they are anti-AKP&US, see how democratic islamists, they freed the terrorists who have no regret but they jailed the Turkish soldiers who fought against them, and they name it Kurdish initiative ... 



Thread: what caught my eye today

639.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 06:43 pm

University students who were going to Rize from Erzurum/İspir, were stucked on the Ovit pass because of avalanche. The midibus is under snow for hours and the ones who went to save them got lost too. May God help them...



Thread: one word t-e lütfen

640.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 01:54 am

Doğrudur ...

 

İçimizdeki İrlandalıymış meğer---it seems that he/she was the Irish in/among us.

Quoting ally81

 

 

 Thanks armegon

 

"içimizdeki İrlandalılar" means "(there is)Irish in us" ??

 

this one then ´içimizdeki irlandalı meğer´ = it seems that there is Irish in us?? 

 

 



Thread: one word t-e lütfen

641.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2009 Sat 01:31 am

 

Quoting ally81

içimizdeki

 

Can someone tell me what this word means please

 

Teşekkür ederim

 

literally means "in us"...

Reminded me the famous saying of Mustafa Denizli "içimizdeki İrlandalılar"Wink...



Thread: what caught my eye today

642.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 02:21 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

OMGGGG!

 

 

 

Four people have been arrested in Peru on suspicion of killing dozens of people in order to sell their fat and tissue for cosmetic uses in Europe.  

 

 Maybe they inspired from this movie...



Thread: LUCK

643.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Nov 2009 Fri 04:10 am

You say only Allah knows the best, and then you add if you are a good person and you do good deeds, good luck will find you, how can you be sure if only Allah knows the best? Anyway it is explained in Kuran;

 

4:78-Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say: "This is from God" and if any bad befalls them, they say: "This is from you!" Say: "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand anything said!

4:79-Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself/your nafs. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.

 

So where is luck? If you say something good or bad happened as a consequence of luck, then where is God? It is simply kind of shirk according to my understanding...

Quoting yilgun-2010

-According to the belief, if anyone does a righteous deed, it enures to the benefit of his/her  own soul;

If he/she does evil, it works against his/her own soul.

 

 

-İyi başlayan bir şey kötü sonuç verebilir.

Kötü başlayan bir şey de iyi sonuç verebilir.

İyi ve kötü talih belli bir sürecin sonunda anlaşılır.

Hiçkimse bunu bilemez.Onu yalnız Allah bilir.

Ama inancımıza göre, eğer aklınızı kullanıyorsanız, güzel düşünüp güzel ve yapıcı davranışlar sergiliyorsanız, çevrenizde faydalı işler yapıyorsanız, iyi niyetli ve temiz kalpli iseniz iyi talih sizi zaten bulur.

 

 



Edited (11/20/2009) by armegon



Thread: LUCK

644.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 10:25 pm

Since i believe in free-will, you should guess i am oppossed to predetermination.  What i understood from the word luck, something happened arbitrarily, good or bad and people call it luck, isnt that the way people use it? And i say its not luck, that thing happened is serving the will of God not a coincidence and not arbitrary. All is from God...

Quoting alameda

I think you are argueing semantics....call it what you will. 

 

 



Thread: guys waiting for ur precious help

645.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 08:44 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 Leave Henry alone !!! He is making good translations ! {#emotions_dlg.get_you}

 

am i not??{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Thread: Meeting the Parents...HELP

646.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 08:41 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

I suppose this is only for women?

 

 Not true, its possible to hear from the dad of a Turkish boy "yayılma lan, adam gibi otur" lol



Thread: guys waiting for ur precious help

647.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 08:22 pm

 

Quoting ally81

 btw lucky you, poor Ireland got cheated out of going to South Africa {#emotions_dlg.sad}

 

Sorry for Ireland, Henry contolled the ball with hand and referees missed it, a little honesty could clear the confusion of referees but Henry was lacking of it at that time...



Thread: Meeting the Parents...HELP

648.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 08:19 pm

Crossing legs is the issue of respect similar to not to smoke in front of parentsWink. In fact i think not so much important in most of the Turkish families...

Quoting catwoman

 That also explains how everything is perceived to be sexually provocative, even crossing your legs!!! lol lol lol

 

 



Thread: guys waiting for ur precious help

649.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 06:02 pm

Nearly correct ...

 

"Güney Afrika´ya birlikte gideceğiz"



Thread: Meeting the Parents...HELP

650.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 05:49 pm

Konya is reowned to be the most  alcohol and sex toys consuming city of Turkey as well. This should be the profit of being conservative i think ...

Quoting vineyards

 

 

 Konya is renowned to be one of the most conservative cities in Turkey.  

 

 

 



Thread: LUCK

651.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2009 Thu 05:46 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

About “Luck”: 

Everyone has a destiny.

You were born in England,USA, Germany,etc.

But you could have been born in Africa, Asia or another continent and country.

And you live in this country.

It is like a lottery. 

 

I as a believer call this will of God or appreciaion of God but not luck. In my opinion there is no luck, no coincidence in subsistence and no arbitrariness in existence. There is no good luck or bad luck either. Good or bad luck are realted to yourself. Winning a lottery is just possibility, human cannot know possibilities but God can. Thats the law of nature which is the same as kelimetullah or wil of God and there is no change in kelimetullah. Possibility is one of the law of nature and thus will of God, just like among hundreds of thousands of spremcells, only one of them which reaches the first, fertilize the femalecell and the conditions which make that spermcell first, is the God´s will. Isnt that the laws that determine the best position of spermcell? So God´s will are expressed in His laws of universe. People usually confuse humanwill with God´s will, humanwill subject to emotions and whims controlled by needs, how can will of God has the same definition as He is without any need?

 

As for the destiny, its again related to God´s will of course not a concept of God´s contentedness, human has frewill within God´s appreciation, God put laws on ruling of subsistence, puts law due to ontological strucuture but human cannot. It can be described with a simile like you are on your way to İstanbul for instance and İstanbul is sure our destination, you have no control over that, what you can control is how you reach İstanbul, one can reach following the rules or one can reach using tricks...



Thread: Livemocha and oðlan

652.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Nov 2009 Thu 12:04 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I don´t think he´s a linguist.

 

There is no diminitive suffix (what you call downsizing conjecture) like -lak/-lan. But we have -an and -ak as I have provided some examples of it. Besides in oğlan/oğlak case the word stem is oğul. That is very obvious.

 

 

 

More from him;

Günümüz Türkçe´sinde halen yüksekte olan fazla olan arttıran güçlü olan anlamlarını içeren OK kök sözcüğü ile ilişkili birçok sözcük yaşamaya devam etmektedirler. Bunlara birkaç örnek sunayım:
OĞLAN <= Oklan (yüksel ve boy at
büyü ÖĞLEN <= Yüksel (Güneşin en yüksek olduğu zaman) OĞUZ <= OK-uz (Biz yüksekte duranlar) ÖĞMEK => Övmek (yüceltmek yükseltmek) ÖĞE (yaşlı büyük kişi) ÖĞÜT = Nasihat (büyük söz söylemek vaaz vermek) ÖĞÜT = buğday (buğdayı ezerek çoğalt arttır) ÖK (orta yaşı bulmuş büyümüş at) ÖKİL (çok fazla) ÖKSE (yığmak biriktirmek) ÖKSÜZ (büyük kimsesi annesi olmayan) ÖKÜL (yığılmak toplanmak artmak) ÖKÜN (para ve mal yığını

About Haluk Berkman:

“Fizik Doç. Dr.´dur aynı zamanda Türk kültürü hakkında incelemeler yapan bir araştırmacıdır. Türk Tarih Dergisi´nde de bu konuda makaleleri yayınlanmıştır. Etrüskçe, mu kıtası, ıssık kurganı ve benzeri konularda yayınlanmış makaleleri vardır.
Ön türk tarihi hakkında
Kazım mirşan ve Haluk tarcan kadar eski ve etkin bir isimdir.
Aynı zamanda
Türkçemizi canlandırma derneği kurucularındandır.
Akademik yaşamının büyük kısmını fransa ve belçika´da geçirmiştir.”

Here is some of his writings;

http://www.astroset.com/bireysel_gelisim/ancient/ancient.htm

By the way there downsizing joncture is “ak”, my mistake...

 



Thread: a short translation from e to t for a very dear person PLEASE...thank you

653.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 05:28 pm

 

Quoting WendyV

No, mice is correct, we have some very strange sayings

 

  ohh ok, then according to your explanation a possible translation maybe "etrafındakilerden çok daha erkeksin" ...

 



Edited (11/11/2009) by armegon



Thread: a short translation from e to t for a very dear person PLEASE...thank you

654.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 05:21 pm

mice is typo i guess



Thread: Livemocha and oðlan

655.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 05:00 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

OGLAN means boy but OK-LAN split doesn´t seem right. Who is the writer of the article?

 

Tahsin Banguoğlu gives it as I have provided under -an suffix heading:

 

Oğl-an (<Ogul-an) = insan yavrusu

 

and in parallel

Oğl-ak (<Ogul-ak) = keçi yavrusu

 

He also gives another similar construction -an & -ak suffixes parallel

Köş-en = Tavşan yarusu

Köş-ek = Deve yavrusu

 

 

The writer of the article is Haluk Berkman. He says both "OGlak" and "OGlan" derived from the root word "OG or OK" where in "OGlak"  "lak" is the downsizing juncture. By the way William Durant says the word "OGLAK" also means "küçük-çocuk" and very similar to "OGLAN". Besides he adds word "GIDIK" or "GIDI" in Turkish means "küçük-çocuk" as well very similar to english word "KID" Wink

In other Turkish dialects "OGLAK" used as "ulak-lak-ılak-ovlak-olak" which means "kid" at the same time...

 

As you see all these researchers are searching the root of this word, and obviously each can have different opinions...



Thread: Livemocha and oðlan

656.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 03:16 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Ogul = means child in old Turkish (attested at least one thousand year ago) and means son today

 

oğlan < ogul-an (-an is diminitive suffix)

 

 

Here is some part of articles;

 

"Finike bulusu olarak bilinen alfabenin K harfi OK damgasindan turemistir. Ayni ters OK damgasina Etrusk alfabesinde rastlariz ve sesi de gene K (Ka) dir. Gelismis yetiskin insani belirten OK zamanla OG (yumusak G ile) telaffuz edilmis ve ´Oglan´ (yani OK-lan, yetiskin ol) ve ´Oksuz´ (yani annesiz, yetiskinden mahrum) sozcuklerinde yer bulmustur. Etrusk dilinde erkek cocuga Clan dendigini okumuslardir ki asli OKLAN´dir. Zira K olarak okuduklari ve C olarak yazdiklari ters ok sekli OK damgasidir ve OK hecesi olarak okunmalidir. Etrusk abecesi aslinda harflerden degil hecelerden olusmus bir yazi turu olup aynen Gokturk yazitlarindaki runik yazi tarzinda okunmalidir"

" The OK (respectful
warrior that stands tall and rises) can be found in the following
Turkish words:

OKLAN = OGLAN means `boy´ and can be split as OK-LAN (become an
OC), where the suffix –LAN stands for `become´.

OKSUZ = OEKSUEZ means `orphan´ (a child without a mother) and can
be split as OK-SUZ, where the –SUZ stands for `without´.
"



Thread: Livemocha and oðlan

657.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 12:45 pm

 

Quoting ikicihan 

many centuries ago, the word oglan used for both gender, both male and female. meaning is, child, teenager.

 

Origin of this word is not known very well but some Turkish etimologists agree what you say that it is used for both male and female. It is said that this word´s origin is from old Turkish word "ok-lan" which means "become grown-up" so its genderless. By time meaning is changed of course...



Thread: Quick Sentence Correction

658.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Nov 2009 Wed 11:40 am

Kollarına/Kollarının üstüne aşk yazmak...



Thread: can anyone explain what this is about plz

659.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 02:45 am

For the sake of our right of collective contract...

For the salary to live humanlike...

For not to quit the cost of crisis...

For a democratical work life...

For the secured work right...

Life will stop on 25th November.

Quoting canimarab

TOPLU SÖZLEÞME HAKKIMIZ ÝÇÝN...
ÝNSANCA YAÞAYACAK BÝR ÜCRET ÝÇÝN...
KRÝZÝN BEDELÝNÝ ÖDEMEMEK ÝÇÝN...
DEMOKRATÝK BÝR ÇALIÞMA YAÞAMI ÝÇÝN...
HERKESE ÝÞ GÜVENCELÝ ÇALIÞMA HAKKI ÝÇÝN...
25 KASIMDA HAYAT DURACAK.

 

 



Thread: english - turkish soldier poem please

660.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 02:31 am

 

Quoting Elif--x

I love a soldier---> Bir asker seviyorum
With all of my heart.--->Bütün kalbimle.
I see him almost never;--->Onu neredeyse hiç görmüyorum;
We are always apart.--->Her zaman ayrýyýz.
We may not be together--->Birlikte olamayabiliriz
but love does not give in.--->ancak aþk pes etmiyor.
To let something like this go--->Bunun böyle gitmesine izin vermek
would be such a sin.--->günah olacaktýr.
He is courageous and--->O cesur ve
He is a man,--->O bir erkek
Protecting his country
as best as he can.--->En iyi þekilde ülkesini koruyan.
The last time I saw him?--->Onu son gördüðüm zaman?
Seven months past.--->yedi ay geçmiþ.
But I feel his love for me--->Ama bana olan aþkýný hissedebiliyorum 
and know it will last.--->ve biliyorum ki bu devam edecek.
Perhaps there will be peace;--->Belki huzur olacaktýr;
Perhaps there will not.--->Belki olmayacaktýr.
I hold on to hope;--->Ummaya devam edeceðim;
It´s all that I´ve got.--->Olan her þeyim bu.
My love for him grows.--->Ona olan aþkým büyüyor.
It gets stronger each day.--->Her gün daha güçleniyor.
The distance between us--->Aramýzdaki mesafe
can´t hold it at bay.--->Onu uzakta tutamýyorum.(Not sure about this one)
He calls;---> O arýyor;
I write.--->Ben yazýyorum.
We both hold on--->Ýkimizde tutunuyoruz
with all of our might.--->Bütün gücümüzle.
I cry often,--->Sýk sýk aðlýyorum,
I will not lie.--->Yalan söylemeyeceðim.
Sometimes smiling is hard,--->Bazen gülümsemek zor,
But I sure do try.--->Ancak elbette deniyorum.
I love.--->Seviyorum.
I hope.--->Ümit ediyorum.
I dream.--->Düþlüyorum.
I cope.--->Uðraþýyorum.
His heart is strong;--->Onun kalbi saðlam;
His feelings are true.--->Hisleri samimi.
He loves me and--->O beni seviyor ve
I love him too.--->Ben de onu.
Yes, I love a soldier--->Evet bir askeri seviyorum
and though we are apart,--->ve ayrý olamamýza raðmen,
We´re always together--->Biz hep beraberiz
Together at heart.--->Kalben beraberiz.

 

Thanks in advance sorry its long

 my try...

 



Thread: turkish - engs pls

661.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 02:07 am

thats rightWink



Thread: translation would really mean a lot

662.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 02:06 am

Sana neden bu kadar baðlý olduðumu açýklayamýyorum, yalnýz Tanrý biliyor nedenini. Biliyorum sana olan bütün hislerim koþulsuz. Belki sebebi çok gençken birbirimize aþýk olmamýzdýr. Seni incitmek ya da sana acý vermek için burada deðilim, buradayým çünkü bilmeni istedim ki sen benim için inanýlmazsýn, seni tanýdýðým için gurur duymuþ olmamýn ve hayatýnýn bir parçasý olmuþ olmamýn bir önemi yok. Lütfen kalbine soktularý bütün umutsuzluðu bir kenara býrak, onu sevgi ile yer deðiþtir. Hayat çok kýsa...Eðer bir daha hiç görüþemesek bile bilmeni istediðim tek bir þey var o da seni seviyor olduðumdur...

Quoting lauraacorah

I cant explain why I feel so connected to you only God knows why. I know all my feelings for you are unconditional. Maybe this is because we fell inlove so young. Im not here to cause you any hurt or pain Im just here to let you know that you are incredible to me, nomatter what I am proud to have known you and to have been part of your life. Please remove all the bitterness that they put in your heart , replace it with love. Life is too short ..If we never meet again just know one thing and thats I love you....

 

 



Thread: PLS E-T

663.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 01:59 am

 Hiç hoþ bir þaka deðildi ! Benim becerilerimi test ettiðini ümit ediyordum. Ýyi misin sen?

Quoting sunny13

Please someone help me traslate this to Turkish.

 

"That was not very nice joke from you! I was hoping you were testing my skills.  Are you OK though?"

 

 



Thread: turk - engs pls

664.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Nov 2009 Tue 01:55 am

"Today sadness popped in again to me, i cry alone with tears in my eyes, she had gone and wont come again, godspeed my sea-eyed.

You do not come back my beloved."

 

my try...

Quoting Elif--x

 

 

yine bugün hüzün ugrad

 Ã½ bana gözlerim yaþlý yine aglarým bir baþýma o gitti gelmez bir daha yolun açýk olsun Deniz Gözlüm 

 

 

sen donmezsin ciger parem

 

 

thanks in advance

 

 



Thread: Pharmasy shop ( eczane)

665.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2009 Fri 02:17 am

 

Quoting alameda

Oh...so I see...so that´s what you think.....hmmm...well I think you think too much sometimes.....just thinking.....you know?  Think about it...

 

 

  Wink

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

666.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Nov 2009 Fri 01:59 am

Gökçe Kýrgýz-Haketmedin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgrO7p_Mqn8



Thread: Longer turkish to english/ for study

667.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Nov 2009 Thu 08:47 pm

toggle´s translation is quite good, what do you want extra??

Quoting nec

Cry

 

Can any one help me with this please?

 

 



Thread: short confirmation eng into tk please

668.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Nov 2009 Tue 10:43 pm

"Doðum kaydý, doðum belgesi, nüfus kaydý" all can be used imo...



Thread: Eng-Turk please. I think i´ve fallen in love.

669.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Nov 2009 Tue 10:40 pm

 Merhaba Murat, ben Leila, Coco´s dan. Biliyorum þu anda askerdesin ve umarým iyisindir. Seni özledim. Sevgilerimle Leila.

Quoting leilaemily 

Hi Murat, it´s Leila from Coco´s. I know that you are with the army now and i hope that you´re ok. I miss you. Love Leila x

Thank you SO SO SO much in advance x

 

 



Thread: Turkish Subtitles , Programmes in English

670.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Nov 2009 Tue 12:01 am

There is no internet tv for cnbce or e2 unfortunately, try sipru it may help or turn ur dish to TurksatWink



Thread: plz hlp

671.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2009 Mon 12:11 am

 

Quoting britturk

tmm erdem abi söylerim.giteden önce haber wer ismaile elbise yollarým belki tmm

 It is ok brother erdem, i will tell, inform me before you leave, maybe i will send clothes to ismail,ok

 



Thread: can someone translate this in english

672.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 03:53 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 yenge means  uncle´s wife...where did you get from ´brother´s darling´ ???

 

 It can be used in many ways... For instance a one family´s child can call the wife of his neighbor like " Fatma Yenge" . And here i guess poster is talking with the sister of her boyfriend and she has not married with him yet... So dont be angry, calm down ...

 



Thread: Who is "The Person of the Year 2009 –TLC” ?

673.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 02:34 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Yeah, but those itty-bitty ones don´t count. The real "Ego" winner of the year and all years to come is AlphaF. All of HIS threads are always started in the "News and Announcement" section, even if it´s the news about what he had for breakfast!!

 

 I cant see any of photos he posted in his threads , i think this is remarkable as well



Thread: can someone translate this in english

674.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 12:54 pm

 

Quoting Aicha89

I am sure that´s true, because I wrote to my friend "Teþekkürler" and then she wrote that to me???

 

Then deli is right, it is used in the meaning she pointed out.  Your friend just said "you are welcome, no problem"...

Sorry i am mistaken

And thank you deli for reminding...



Edited (10/31/2009) by armegon



Thread: can someone translate this in english

675.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 12:17 pm

what does "you are welcome my dear" means?

whose brother´s darling is she? (said proudly )

Quoting Aicha89

"Rica ederim caným ne demek"

"KÝMÝN YENGESÝ BEEEE"

I need also only these 2 to be translated??? ((

 

 



Thread: can someone translate this in english

676.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 11:50 am

 hello friends, i am newbie too, is there anyone here registered to musti.net?

Quoting Aicha89

merhaba arkadaslar bende yeniyim mustinete üye olanýz var mý

 

 



Thread: Leader of Black-Muslim Seperatist Group Killed in the US

677.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 07:58 am

 

Quoting alameda

 Have you ever seen the Tuareg of North Africa?

 

 Instead of women, men wear Hijab in this tribe of North Africa



Thread: Leader of Black-Muslim Seperatist Group Killed in the US

678.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 02:15 am

This point is not even slightly true, totally wrong, especially the bolded part. The ones who think kurdish fascism and terrorism will come to an end by this government´s initiative are just dreaming. Its not the initiative of Turkey but US, orders are from there. Its just a step of BOP to secure US´s Kurdish watchdogs.  As i said before they cleaned the area from Turks and from the control of Turkish authorities by terrorism, now the process is legalizing terrorism, PKK terrorists were told either to join Barzani or to cave in Turkish authorities(of course they were granted to be free) and remaining ones will continue to smuggle drugs and to terrorize Turkey under the control of big boys.

 

Btw what is that special treatment?  Do we need to provide feeding bottle as well? In Spain Basks are still not happy Wink...

Quoting Daydreamer

2. The US government has done a huge job to make amends and provide equal opportunities

and

Turkish government is going in the right direction but is not even half way as close to provide special treatment for Kurds as the US is in case of black people

 

 

 

 



Edited (10/31/2009) by armegon



Thread: Leader of Black-Muslim Seperatist Group Killed in the US

679.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Oct 2009 Sat 12:07 am

FYI,  It is originally Turkic festival and because of Kurdish provocations Turkey Turks cannot celebrate it.  All other Central Asian Turkic people are still celebrating itWink...

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Regarding the holiday, we had a debate about a spring festival I think that Kurds were banned to celebrate. It was about 2 years ago, I think. Check our archives to see.

 

 



Thread: Adam and Eve

680.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 09:06 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 No he only plays with peoples heads <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 didnt u like my story? It clears all the dilemmas like belly buttons & incest relationship



Thread: Adam and Eve

681.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:58 pm

I forgot to add that God does not play with diceShy, sorry



Thread: Adam and Eve

682.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 08:45 pm

let me tell you the truth then , they were humanoids living in the heaven of earth like many others, after then God gave them free-will and made them human, since one male and female randomly selected , they were not siblings and they had belly buttons of course, believe it or not lol



Thread: Who is "The Person of the Year 2009 –TLC” ?

683.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 03:32 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

I don´t think it was me last year, I think Yilgun´s friends decided it was Aenigma, for her youth and intelligence!! Cry

 

Engima is all the time number one ...

i saw AE addicted members

Reason to use Turkish Class : Engima lol



Thread: T-E "Gökten ne yaðar da yer kabul etmez."

684.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 12:36 am

 eeee tebrik etmek lazým, inatçýsýn demek ki

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

but i GOT those explanations and more than 1

 

 



Thread: T-E "Gökten ne yaðar da yer kabul etmez."

685.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 12:30 am

 your contribution cannot be denied

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

yeah especially if 1 sentence gets formed on 6-7 forum pages... <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 



Thread: T-E "Gökten ne yaðar da yer kabul etmez."

686.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Oct 2009 Fri 12:28 am

 As you wish Satisfied nod , umarým faydalý olur... 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

thanks i´m copying this one, too

 

 



Thread: T-E "Gökten ne yaðar da yer kabul etmez."

687.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 11:49 pm

"What is the thing that falls down from the sky but the land does not welcome/recieve?"

Answer?? 

This is the statement of our highly intellectuel PM after his Iran visit

clue: here sky refers to Iran & land refers to Turkey lol



Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: TURKISH STATES

688.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 08:32 pm

Of course, Turkic people are multifarious faces from Siberia to Balkans but one in soul. What make us Turk is our cultural unity and our language ...



Thread: Basmam or basmaya; Yardim etmeye or Yardim etmem

689.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 04:15 pm

 

Quoting Tazx1

To someone who is either an expert or a native speaker!!??

 

I am not sure if both translations are acceptable or one of them is incorrect.??  Please indicate.

 

The man asked me to press the red button.

 

My Turkish translation:-

Adam bana kirmizi duðmeye basmam emretti.

Adam bana kirmizi duðmeye basmaya emretti.

Adam bana kýrmýzý düðmeye basmamý emretti.

Adam benden kýrmýzý düðmeye basmamý istedi. (Much better)

 

 

The lady advised me to help the children.

My Turkish translation:-

Kadin bana coçuklara yardim etmem tavsiye etti.

Kadin bana coçuklara yardim etmeye  tavsiye etti.

Kadýn bana çocuklara yardým etmemi tavsiye etti.

Thnaks

Tazx1

 

 



Thread: Nefes - Breath

690.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 01:11 pm

Hard to believe but its number 1 on imdb at the moment in its categoryRoll eyes...

http://www.imdb.com/chart/war



Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: Nefes - Breath

691.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 12:30 pm

The real title of the movie "Nefes-Vatan Saðolsun" , i heard rumours that movie is really good, after a long time i decided to watch a Turkish movie in cinema if i can go to Turkey this month. Hope it is not banned till i arrive to Turkey as this movie seems "açýlýma ters"

 



Thread: Cumhuriyet Bayramý

692.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 10:16 am

 

Quoting elenagabriela

today is Cumhuriyet Bayramý

for all my turkish friends  Hayýrlý Bayramý

 

 Thanks...Kutlu olsun, nice yýllara TC



Thread: can you please translate this one

693.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 10:14 am

 

Quoting Merih

 Armegon, i think you did a great job, but I just changed the location of a few words, and replaced a couple as it just sounded more correct and more fluent... not that yours was not understandable or wrong. 

 Hmm ok, thank you for contrubition thenBig smile

 



Thread: can you please translate this one

694.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 10:11 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

"Buyuk motor koordinasyonu"  is the term used in Turkish.

 

 

Gross Motor Function Classification System(GMFCS) is translated as "Kaba Motor Fonksiyon Sýnýflama Sistemi" (KMFSS) by doctors, some use "Özür Düzeyi" as well, some use non-translated version "Gross Motor Fonksiyonu", seç beðen alWink

 



Thread: How do you cook oatmeal, do you use a double boiler?

695.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 01:35 am

Grilled tomatoes, peppers and aubergines are delicious Roll eyes, i mean mangal version



Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: can you please translate this one

696.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 01:17 am

Hafif denge probleminden ve basit talimatlarý takip edip anlayamamasýndan dolayý öðrencinin kötü bir gross motor fonksiyonu vardý. Öðrencinin sol eli zayýftý. Fiziksel terapi / Fizyoterapi seanslarý boyunca kuvvetlendirme egzersizleri üzerinde durulmuþtur. Ãkincil komplikasyonlarý önlemek ve daha fazla iyileþme gözlemek için fiziksel terapi tedavisi düzenli olmalýdýr. 

 

btw  gross motor function translated in Turkish kaba motor fonksiyon in some articles...

Quoting apple mae

Student had a poor gross motor function due to a slight balance problem and inability to follow and understand simple instructions. Student´s left hand is weak. Strengthening exercises is emphasized throughout physical therapy sessions. Physical Therapy treatment must be regular to prevent secondary complications and to see further improvement.

 

 



Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon
Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: 1sentence turk-eng pls

697.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 12:47 am

dont become silent, tell me how a man live like this



Thread: turkish to english lutfen x x thank you

698.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Oct 2009 Thu 12:31 am

http://www.allthelyrics.com/forum/turkish-lyrics-translation/39709-merhaba-sevgili-arkada-lar-yard-m-gerekli-acil-d.html#post362973

 

 



Edited (10/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

699.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Oct 2009 Tue 06:33 pm

 

Quoting insallah

 

 

 

 Carpe diem =    ´seize the day´ it is latin and taken from a poem

 

 Now it is time to carpe noctem Wink



Thread: What is your mood today?

700.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2009 Sun 10:37 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Kick-off in about 5 minutes!

 

Tarife ayný Kadýköyde , FB:3 6S:1 Alcoholics 

10 years passed no 6s win in Kadýköy, nice 10 yýllara<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)



Thread: Ask your questions: Turkey torn between East and West

701.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2009 Sun 11:26 am

Just to clarify my point birdy, jews were labelled as "eternal victim" by again jewish propogand after WWII especially in european countries, so feeling guilt towards the Holocaust , west keep its silence when they see the crimes of Israel. Because they have been programmed to have emphaty with jewish people and have been programmed to support them. This is the feeling that we dont have so we can be freely antizionist lol



Thread: Ask your questions: Turkey torn between East and West

702.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2009 Sun 09:44 am

 You should read and devour the story Anne Frank urgently AlphaF,  after then i guess you will begin to think like "how can those victims of WWII turned into oppressors?" Impossible, matter of education(or propogand) which we Turks are lacking of Wink, EU should help us to solve this issue as soon as possible anyhow our slave government begging at the door of EU then noone will be antisemitic, so we can easily digest the ridiculous excuses of zionists ...

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

So Nazis were terrible guys !

Good Jews however, should not trust Christians either. An amazing number of Christians seem to think  that hollocaust was a lie cooked up by Jews themselves.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=hollocoust+lie&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35   Alcoholics

 

On the other hand, what´s happening in Gazza today is no lie. The whole town is now turned into one big concentration camp !

 

 



Edited (10/25/2009) by armegon



Thread: 3 words t to e

703.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2009 Sat 08:50 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

düyun = debts

 

its and old word from Ottoman Turkish for instance famous düyun-u ummumiye, but not used anymore, so i dont think so



Thread: 3 words t to e

704.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2009 Sat 08:36 pm

 

Quoting harp00n

yes, sender mistyped. Correct type might be "Düðün"

 

I´m at the wedding.

 

 I dont think its typo, possibly sender missed the Turkish classes at school Wink



Thread: 3 words t to e

705.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2009 Sat 08:30 pm

düyün is here "düðün" means wedding or wedding party... 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

706.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2009 Sat 07:40 pm

Kader Örmüþ aðlarýný---Ýrem Özdemir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxJ49ZgneM



Edited (10/24/2009) by armegon



Thread: Something from english to turkish

707.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2009 Sat 07:37 pm

Bir adam þansýnýn peþinden koþmaz, þansý onun peþinden koþar.



Thread: Eng to Turk please - thanks in advance

708.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2009 Thu 11:37 am

Arman hakkýnda harika haber, gurur duyuyor olmalýsýn. Parfüm resmini yolladýðým e-postamý aldýn mý? Doðru olan mý? Eðer öyle ise, kesinlikle senden daha ucuza alabilirim. Umarým tüm ailen iyidir.

Quoting Suzie

Fantastic news about Arman you must be very proud.  Did you get my email with the picture of the perfume?  Is it the correct one?  If it is I can definitely get in cheaper than you.  Hope your family are all well. 

 

 



Thread: eng.tr please

709.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2009 Thu 11:35 am

Bu sabah patronum aradý, iþe gelmeme/iþte bana  ihtiyacý varmýþ. Ancak ben reddettim çünkü seninle bir randevum vardý.



Thread: First time user yayy :D..2 Short scentences T - E please :D

710.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2009 Thu 12:33 am

I think "nebar" is typo, it can be "naber"



Thread: please help me

711.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2009 Thu 12:30 am

 

Quoting jade_jade

"Telafuzu zor bir ismin var. Ama güzel. Evet benim ismimin anlamý o doðru. Sen nasýl bildin?

Tabiki  biliyorum.  Birincisi hakkýnda daha az þey bilsem de ikincisi hakkýnda daha çok þey duymuþtum. 

sýcak ve güler yüzlü insanlarýn ülkesi.

 

You have got a name with difficult pronounciation. But it is beautiful. Yes, right, that is the meaning of my name. How come did you know?.

Of course i know. I know less about the first one but i heard much about the second one. The country of warm and merry people.

 

2010´un baharýnda oraya gideceðim. Seninde annenden uzak olmana üzüldüm.  Özlemenin ne demek olduðunu iyi bilirim. Ama önemli olan iyi olduklarýný bilmek. Özlemek zor ama onlarýn iyi olduklarýný bilmek insana yetiyor. Geldiðim zaman görüþürüz. Ben de isterim tabi."

 

I will visit/go there 2010´s spring time.  I  feel sorry to hear that you are also far away from your mum. I know very well what longing is. But important thing is to know that they are all fine. Longing is hard but it is enough to know that they are all fine. We see eachother when i come. Of course i want too.

 

Thank you

 

 



Thread: Not a poem or loveletter... E to T please! =)

712.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Oct 2009 Wed 05:32 pm

 

Quoting Naela

 

 

 

COMMAND SUCCESFULL!!---> Komut Baþarýlý!!

 

COMMAND FAILED!!--->Komut Baþarýsýz!!

 

PLEASE CHECK PASSWORD AND INSTRUCTION!!--->Lüfen þifreyi ve talimatlarý kontrol edin!!

 

HELP!!--->Yardým!!

 

LOW BATTERY!! PLEASE CHARGE THE PHONE!!---> Düþük pil lütfen telefonu þarj edin!!

 

 

 



Thread: I am missing my wife and daughter

713.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2009 Tue 11:31 am

Karýmý ve kýzýmý özlüyorum.



Thread: Adam and Eve

714.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2009 Tue 11:27 am

If they had lived, they should have had .



Thread: What Made You Disgusted Today?

715.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 11:42 am

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

Here is the text:

 

  

Source: Sky News

 

Hüseyin Baybaþin is infamous kurdish drug-smuggler, as far as i know his brother was in jail in UK. Those gangs are kurdish as well...



Thread: Master and Servant

716.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 09:41 am

His Kaaba is USWink



Thread: help with 1 small translation into Engl. please, thankss

717.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 09:28 am

 

Quoting Uzun_Hava

 

 

Turkishdictionary.net also lists "cucumber" as a meaning of "hýyar".   It sounds a little more sensible to be ing.

"pass over the bridge there is a cucmber(s) farm there."

 

If it was just "hýyar tarlasý", then "cucumber" would be correct translationWink

 



Thread: looking for a turkish teacher on msn

718.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2009 Sat 12:17 am

 

Quoting birdy

 

 

 Actually the real world for this word is Turkey?<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

posta scripta-I could not resist,sorry for being naughtyAngel

 

Actually the word "abazan" can be used for both male & female.  So the women who came to Turkey from miles away seems more "abazan"Wink. Can we count Dobrawski women too Razz? One thing i have to admit Turks & Italians(are Turks as well lol ) are more talented to get what they want...

 

p.s : sorry for being naughty <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 



Thread: looking for a turkish teacher on msn

719.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2009 Fri 11:09 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

I think they meant that Rachel is the magnet and whoever answers is the ´abaza´!  lol lol

 

 Actually the real word for this  is "abazan", "abaza" is Abkhasian lol



Edited (10/16/2009) by armegon



Thread: What Made You Disgusted Today?

720.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2009 Fri 07:48 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

Turks drug turf wars and trafficking in England. 

 

"Rival gangsters are fighting a bloody turf war over control of one of Britain´s most lucrative drugs trade"

 

 

 Kurds??Unsure  i cant open the link...



Thread: Short English to Turkish Translation Please :)

721.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2009 Fri 07:21 pm

 

Quoting angel_of_death

 

 

Çok çocuksusun

 

you are so childish

 

my attempt

 

 This is the correct translation but we Turks do not use this much, sounds polite , instead we prefer "Çocuk gibisin"--->You are like child ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

722.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2009 Fri 03:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ24Mw_r0eo



Thread: help with 1 small translation into Engl. please, thankss

723.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2009 Thu 07:41 pm

.....



Edited (10/15/2009) by armegon [double post]



Thread: help with 1 small translation into Engl. please, thankss

724.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2009 Thu 07:40 pm

Pass the bridge, blockhead´s farm is there.



Thread: NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

725.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2009 Thu 05:02 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 So, what else may be rotten in the Western Kingdom?

 

 Maybe they will give oscar to mahsun´s film güneþi gördüm ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

726.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 10:02 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

women MUST wear a burka or they can get in a lot of trouble with the religious police....who are EVERYWHERE! 

 

This is only valid for muslim women in KSA, if you are not, you dont need to wear burqa or cover your head. Further to this mostly Saudi women wear veil, Masri women do not, even Jordanian women do not cover their heads thats what i observed so far. I have also seen a group of Saudi women beating mutavva lol

 



Edited (10/14/2009) by armegon



Thread: Short english - turkish please

727.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 08:28 pm

 

Quoting Melike1

 

 

Yes Ý was offended because Ý can´t stand injustice which Ý think it is because there where only small mistakes, but my translation was understandable !  This is why i think it isnt nice neither necessary to say my reply doenst sound right at all I will get you

 

(also there were actually only 2 mistakes hala wasnt wrong Ý just happen to not have that punctuation mark from the a on my keyboard. And you call a comma a mistake, but it doesnt make the word meaning different)

 

 

, melike you are so unlucky, people love to correct your small mistakes...

Yes, hala  shouldnt be count as a mistake lol

 



Thread: NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

728.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 08:16 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 I wish there was life on Mars and I was from that lovely planet, but unfortunatelly not.My blood is as red as yours. I have no antennas on head, nor my ears are like Mr.Spock´s from Star Trek.Like it or not you share this planet with me.Big smile In general what you all say is true but this doesn´t mean things will be same as ever before.Everything changes.You will see things changed from worst to worse,if not from worse to bad.United States needs to change its image. Let´s say he is not elected but selected by the hidden powers on purpose to change the United States´ bad image among the third world countries, even this proves that something will change in the next years. I don´t think Nobel committee consists of fools.It is clear that they awarded Obama based on expectations...in order to encourage him for his attendance... 

 

As i said you are being from mars is just a hope like the hope that Obama wont mislead those not fool Nobel committee. You havent got my point<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)



Thread: what caught my eye today

729.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 08:12 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 3. The burqa is sometimes the national dress code.

 

Yes, thats also kind of traditional wearing of Arab women but the wrong thing is to impose this wearing as an order of Islam which is the case mostly and to label women as nonmuslims who do not wear it. Islam firstly advices modesty, and wearing according to this, is kinda relativity that diversifies from environment to environment, society to society and culture to culture. I can understand anyone has right to wear anything freely if it does not restrict the freedom of others but i am against if this type of wearing is used for politically like a uniform or a symbol and if burka is forced on women to oppress them which are those some of the case we encounter unfortunately. So i happen to agree with AE & DD who were i think criticizing these situations.



Thread: NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

730.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 01:49 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

I know as much or more about all these things as you all do. I am not from Mars.Wink ..You haven´t got my point...After all nothing is static, everything flows, nothing abides,life is change...We can´t live without hopes and dreams...

 

 

Yes, i cant claim that you are from Mars, just i can hopeHead bang.  Anyway, i agree that people need hopes and dreams, then you just hope that Obama will deserve the award in one year. It seems to me that you were nearly sure of that when you said "i think nobody would raise an eyebrow". In my opinion you should have swapped "i think" into "i hope or i dream" so it will be more clear...



Thread: NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

731.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 03:45 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 If it was next year, I think nobody would raise an eyebrow. 

 

 

 Roll eyes joke??    or  you think, in one year US will get rid of its double-faced warmongering politics with the leadership of Obama, really??

Its better to read the hint that AlphaF posted. FYI, war, colonization, weapon trade and interfering other countries internal affairs are the lifebloods of US. Thats why Obama is not able to deviate from these, because he is also directed by those well heeled neocons who are mainly jews. Obama can be a good person but he has no power, he was just chosen to mend the image of US so maybe his period will be a little uneventful but after then generally nothing will change...

 



Thread: T - E

732.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 01:01 am

 eyvallah Wink

Quoting AlphaF

ONE CORRECTION

 

 

 

 



Thread: T - E

733.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 12:51 am

 

Quoting ally81

Anyone fancy having a go at translating this? maybe just for practice? Big smile

 

Life is short,--->hayat kýsa,

break the rules,---> kurallarý çiðne

forgive sooner,--->affet en sonunda

love with true love,--->gerçek aþkla sev

laugh without control--->kontrolsüz gül

and always keep smiling.--->ve her zaman gülümseyerek kal.

Maybe life is not the party we were expecting,--->Belki hayat umduðumuz gibi eðlenceli deðil,

but in the mean time, we´re here,--->ancak bu arada biz burdayýz

and we can still dance....----> ve dans edebiliriz...

 

 



Thread: E to T short phrase

734.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Oct 2009 Wed 12:45 am

X de kendi seçtiði/belirlediði koþularla arabayý satabilir/satabilecektir.



Thread: t to e

735.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:54 pm

 oho look at these guys, these are men

Quoting karinalinares

vayyt adamlara pak peeee adam bunlar

 

 



Thread: English to Turkish Please :)

736.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:51 pm

Biliyorum! Ben de seni görmeyi özledim! Bütün plaj park ailesini özledim..

Benim yazým da saçmasapandý. Ali´yi çok özledim!

Sanýrým onun yazý iyi geçmiþtir, bir sürü kýz !!

Quoting tori___

Please could someone translate for me please

 

 

I know! I missed seeing you too! I miss all of beach park family..

My summer was also rubbish. I miss Ali so much!

I think he had a good summer to, lots of girls!!

 

Thanks in advance to translator!

 

Love Tori xxx

 

 



Thread: E-T please thank you so much

737.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:31 pm

Merhaba, nasýlsýn?

Uzun zaman oldu konuþmayalý/görüþmeyeli, umarým yaþantýn yolundadýr, iþ dýþýnda ne yapýyorsun?

Burda her þey ayný, iþe karanlýkta gidip karanlýkta gelmek dýþýnda!!! evet kýþ geliyor

Quoting snowhite

Hi how are you    (salam  nasilsin? )

it has been a long time sine we talked, i hope your life is ok what have you been doing apart from work?

All the same here, apart from going to work in the dark and comming home in the dark!!! yes winter comming

 

 

thank you class

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

738.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:22 pm

Eftelya  a song dedicated to Turk-Grek brotherhood once



Thread: The Translation Lounge

739.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:13 pm

Geçmiþ olsun gülbil...



Thread: Can somebody help me translate this accurately? Thanks!!!

740.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:10 pm

Yapacak bir þey yok gülbili de böyle kabul edeceðiz anlaþýlan Merih ...



Thread: simple transaltion

741.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Oct 2009 Tue 03:08 pm

 Lütfen faturayý ön kapýdaki kutuya býrakýn/koyun.

Quoting Johnk

how do you say "please put bill in box at front gate"

 

 



Thread: The Translation Lounge

742.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:51 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

TONIGHT 7pm

Ringside tickets being sold for the fight of the year!

 

Merih v the Mighty Gulbil

 

PM me with your credit card details and I will send your e-ticket

 

 <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)  but you forgot melike1, her love for gulbil is legend



Thread: Hi translation English to Turkish Please

743.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:36 pm

 ahh i forgot that, sorryShy... i hope your turkish developed a little by the help of the lounge rather than slangs

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Check the Translation Lounge and you can see I am a regular here   In fact I am a martyr and slave to you hardworking translators, providing coffee, alcohol, tea and sympathy!

 

 



Thread: Hi translation English to Turkish Please

744.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:28 pm

I mean in the translation forum engima , has anybody seen engima that often in translation forum before?

Quoting _AE_

 

 

New phenomenon?  I am an old phenomenon! lollollol

 

 

 



Edited (10/12/2009) by armegon [spelling correction before engima...]



Thread: Hi translation English to Turkish Please

745.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:19 pm

lol are you the new candidate for being new phenomenon ? thank you too for correcting before gulbil

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 

Hehe (Capital H) thanks. (full stop no comma, new sentence..) I  switched to here while surfing and saw a short easy translation . (full stop, new sentence) I am now waiting for gulbil to correct it

 

Mwahahaha

 

 

 



Thread: Hi translation English to Turkish Please

746.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:05 pm

hehe thanks, i just switched to here while surfing and saw a short easy translation , now waiting for gulbil to correct 

Quoting Merih

 

 

 Hey, that was quick..

 

 



Thread: Hi translation English to Turkish Please

747.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 06:00 pm

 Ãngilizce öðretmek için Ýstanbul´da iþ arýyorum. Yazýn nasýldý/nasýl geçti?

Quoting tori___

Hi,

 

Could you please translate the following;

 

I am looking for a job to teach english in istanbul.

How was your summer?

 

Thanks in advance to the translator

 

x

 

 



Thread: e to t

748.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 05:21 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 

 

 Son zamanlarda çok ilgisizsin.

Daha önceki sýcaklýðý / þefkati hissedemiyorum (artýk)

Benim için endiþelendiðini söylüyorsun, ama sonrada " tamam, sonra konuþuruz" diyorsun.  Burda neler geçirdiðimi bilmiyorsun, göründüðü kadar kolay deðil, ama ben senin için herþeyi yapabilirim, (zor olsa bile ????) yababilsem bile (this doesn´t sound logical). ... benim için ne kadar deðerli olduðunu bilmiyorsun.

 

Þu anda bir sürü problemim var ve sana ihtiyacým da var, ama seni sýkmak istemiyorum, bu yüzden sana artýk sýkýntýlarýmdan bahsetmeyeceðim.  Bu benim hayatým, ve artýk kendimden utanmaya baþlýyorum.  Sana tüm kalbimi açtým, belki bu yanlýþtý.  Bilmiyorum.

Iyi çalýþmalar

Seni seviyorum, daima.

 

herþey ayrý yazýlýr  her þey & "sonrada" da "da" ayrý lol

just kidding



Thread: e to t

749.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 05:18 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 

 

 Do you think she will get the point????

 

 Ãnþallah



Thread: e to t

750.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 05:08 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 Please stay away from my translations.

 

 

 



Thread: Matching turkish subtitles

751.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2009 Mon 05:03 pm

If you are using subtitle programs like directvobsub, divxg400 or similar to match with "srt" or "sub" files, just click on the program, click on text settings and select Turkish from fonts.  Thats all, the you can see the Turkish subtitle with Turkish characters



Thread: What is wrong with Irish?!!!!!

752.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 04:59 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Ohhhh ne tatlýsýn mhsnim... 

 

  lol  i think name is not muhsin but mahsun so should be mhsnumWink



Thread: What Made You Disgusted Today?

753.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 04:56 pm

shows how this organization lost its credibility. perhaps they are awarding their dreams, obama is giving peace to them in their dreams Smile



Thread: What are you listening now?

754.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 04:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frras_R2ctE



Thread: please please please translate

755.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 02:15 am

Deðiþik bi çeviri baþlýðý olmuþ katýlýmcýlarý tebrik ederim



Thread: english to turkish please.

756.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 01:39 am

 Umarým tatilin iyi geçer ve bir güzel dinlenirsin. Kaç gün tatilin var? Umarým  tüm ailen de iyidir. 

Quoting bella2509

i hope you have a nice holiday, and a nice rest. How many days holiday are you having? i hope your family are all keeping well.

 

 



Thread: Translation into Turkish from English, help is very very appreciated!

757.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 01:34 am

Gelmemi istediðine dair bana söz ver, çünkü hissediyorum ki, yolculuk için yer ayýrttýðýmdan beri bana acýr gibi beni sevdiðini ve gelmemi istediðini söylüyorsun.  Artýk aþýk olmadýðýndan endiþe ediyorum.

Quoting chocogirl

I hope someone can help me to translate, any help at all is appreciated. Many many thanks in advance!!!

"Promise me that you want me to come, because I feel like you just say you love me and want me to come because you pity me since I have booked the trip already. I worry that you dont feel love anymore."

 

 



Edited (10/11/2009) by armegon



Thread: turkish - english - thank you

758.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 01:08 am

ayýn birinde--->first day of the month...



Thread: turkish - english - thank you

759.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 12:49 am

aha iþte one more excellent Turkish lol



Thread: Turkish to English Please :-)

760.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 12:46 am

i dont understand how these girls managed to find these boys with excellent Turkish writing style if you name it Turkish  

 Quoting lady in red

How on earth do you Turks understand each other???   lol lol

 

(and punctuation can make such a difference to a sentence in any language)

 

 



Thread: Turkish to English Please :-)

761.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2009 Sun 12:38 am

 "Vuso, people will get to know you wrong"  is the correct translation i think...

Quoting MarioninTurkey

 

 

 Hmm... in the context of the chat, I guess "yalnýþ" isn´t "yalnýz" but "yanlýþ"

 

So .. Vuso, people will get the wrong idea, ha!

 

 



Thread: E2T lütfen

762.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2009 Sat 12:40 pm

Þimdi belki insanlar birbirlerinin hayatlarýyla salakça oyunlar oynadýðýnda, neler olduðunu anlamaya baþlayacaksýn. Ne yazýk ki bundan da çok þüphe ediyorum.  Ýyi bir adam buldum ve bir baþkasý için onu býrakmayacaðým.

Quoting Gazelle

Now perhaps you will begin to understand what it is like when people play silly games with each other’s lives, unfortunately I very much doubt it.  A good man I have found and I would not give him up for anyone

 

<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

þimdiden teþekkürler

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

763.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 01:36 pm

 

Quoting _AE_

Translator Wars continues in the Translation Forum! lol

they are phenomenons



Thread: E>T Please

764.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 03:43 am

Merhaba,

Affedersiniz, siz xxx´i nereden tanýyorsunuz? Ýkiniz arasýnda benim bilmem gereken bir þey mi var?

Lütfen size yazdýðýmý ona söylemeyin.

Teþekkür ederim.

I´m sorry how is it that you know xxxxx? Is there something I should know about between the two of you?

Please do not tell him I write to you.

Thank you

 

 



Thread: T-E URGENT - Please.. Thank you

765.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 03:18 am

 

Quoting Truthseeker

kusura bakma sanýrým yasemin bana yollayacaðý mesajý sana yollamýþ,inþallah problem deðildir senin için.Þaþýrmýþ görüþtüðümüzü bilmiyrdu çünkü...
Sorry, i guess yasemin sent the message to you, which is going to be sent to me, i hope it is not a problem for you. She was surprised because she didnt know that we were talking.
pardon beni pek ilgilendirmez ama ben formalite evliliði yaptýðýný duymuþrum,ama resimlere bakýnca pek formalite gibi görünmüyor
pardon me, i am not interested but i heard that you had made a marriage of formality, but when the pictures are viewed, it is not seen as a marriage of formality.
Onemli degil yasemin cim..opuyorum seni kendine iyi bak
No problem dear yasemin...kiss you, take care of yourself.
Ne haber Gokce m nasilsin?vallahi cok ozledim seni..tamamen formalite evlilik sadece fotolar show..cunku yabancilar polisine gittigimiz zaman hep bunlara ihtiyacimiz var..seni cok opuyorum ..musait oldugunda konusmak isterim..herkese selam..kib
What´s up Gokce, how are you? i swear i missed you so much...completely formality marriage, photos just for show..because when we go to police registration office, we always need these..kiss you..i want to talk to you when you are available..greetings to everybody..take care.
teþekkürler ben burdayým istediðin zaman arayabilirsin,sen benim numaralarýmý silmiþsindir ama.bu gökçenin Msi ne oluyor anlayamadým
thank you, i am here, you can call me whenever you want, but i think you had deleted my numbers, what´s the meaning of Gokce´s message, i couldnt understand.
Gordum yasemin in mesajini ..onemli degil..optum seni
i saw the message of yasemin..not important.. kiss you
ok bne de öpüyorum seni...
ok, kiss you too

 

 



Thread: Please a short E>T. Thanks

766.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 12:12 am

You are welcome Tazx1 , no you cannot use "olduysa" but "olduðunda" can be used and fit the sentence very well...

Quoting Tazx1

Thank you armegon.  You have done very well.  Can I use ´Olduysa´ instead of ´oldukca´ ???

 

Tazx1

 

 

 



Edited (10/9/2009) by armegon



Thread: Please a short E>T. Thanks

767.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Oct 2009 Fri 12:01 am

Türkçem çok zayýf ve karmaþýk fikirleri ifade etmek benim için çok zor. Eðer seni rahatsýz edecek bazý þeyler söylediysem lütfen kusura bakma. Seni kýrmak gibi bir niyetim yoktu. e-postalarýn hoþuma gidiyor ve bu sayede Türkçem ilerledi. Lütfen zamanýn oldukça bana yaz.

 

p.s: Note that this is not a word by word translation but i think it gives the same senseWink

Quoting Tazx1

Please can somebody translate the following for me:-

 

> ... My Turkish is very weak and it is difficult to express complicated ideas.  Please excuse if I said something which made you feel uncomfortable.  I had no intention to cause offence.  I enjoy your e-mails and have learned a lot of Turkish.  Kindly do write whenever you have time. <

 

Tazx1

 

 



Thread: Help with short translation, thanks

768.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Oct 2009 Wed 09:07 pm

I realized that the time had been such precious and that is why i am always in rush.



Thread: what caught my eye today

769.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Oct 2009 Tue 05:43 am

Thats all you can do, labeling people as fascists, racists and nationalists who disagrees with you. If you want to see a racist, just look into a mirror. Why dont you just put Atatürk to that list? I would prefer him rather than Türkeþ, Yazýcýoðlu or Evren who are American toys imo and since i have no sympathy any of themWink.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Ha ha

No worries at all..

Through out  our history, people like you accused people like me as traitors..

People like you includes Turkes (late leader of ultra nationalist  party) , Muhsin yazicioglu (another late leader of another nationalist  party), Kenan Evren (late head of the army, leader of the cue d´etat), new head of the army etc etc..

Basically all fascists of Turkey accused people like me as traitors.

I would be seriously concerned if a fascist agreed what I say..

 

 

 



Thread: Q, W, X (or nationalists and chauvinists are so mentally blocked)

770.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Oct 2009 Tue 05:36 am

 So if akp is negotiating with terrorist leader, and i agree with you surprisingly , why do they hesitate to announce this and why are they denying the claims that they are negotiating?  One of the aim of terrorism in that is to make Turkish habitants escape from that region and they succeeded, very few Turkish citizens living there except Kurds. By the way as far as i know sympathizing with terrorist pkk is forbidden in this forum, is it not? Anyways, we got used to see those who are always talking about democracy and at the same time supporting terrorism, no problem for meRoll eyes.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

It was not a reflex at all..It was just an answer to your comment ab0ut lala land..

I do not think you have enough knowledge about the subject.. You do not know the history of the problem but however, ´you not knowing them is not preventing´ you to comment on the issue..

I would recommend you to read more about the subject before side lining yourself  with the ideology which resulted in 70.000 people´s death!!!

But however, of course, you are a free person and I would respect any ideas as long as my ideas are respected..

I would be extra cautious about trashing aside  people and groups as terrorists..

You should really check abit more about the politics..

First of all..Most of the KURDS supporting Apo..

They, Kurds voted the party DTP which publicly supports PKK.. Almost every single Kurd will say to you that ´they would be still at the state of -THERE ARE NO KURDS but mountain TURKS only-´ if there was not PKK..

Do you know that Ocalan is the person who can stop all these?

do you know that Turkish state is being negotiating with him for a long time? 

 

 



Thread: Q, W, X (or nationalists and chauvinists are so mentally blocked)

771.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Oct 2009 Tue 05:25 am

  What i observed is, people are very disturbed about this initive issue, because people dont know anything about the contents, they are hiding it like a secret. So it was not supported by the people except the kurdish racists and the ones who are willing to advertise themselves, dont try to fool people here. I ask again what Kurds want from Turkish Republic rather than other ethnicities have.  Kurds have the right of being turkish citizen but they thrust this aside and they prefer to segregate that is Kurdish racism supported by imperialists of course, and because of this Turks gave begun to question the Kurds in every part of life for a few years, this increases the tension between Kurds and Turks.

 

In Turkey there are millions of people from different ethnicities living, none of them has problems except the Kurds who creates problem for themselves.  They can be parliamentarian even prime minister, Kurds too, so what is the problem? Why do Kurds always the only ethnicity used by colonial imperialists who cannot still digest the Turkish war of Independence.  Turks are witnessed lots of hypocrisy through past decades.  They had seen how Kurds tried to seek asylum in European countries by spreading lies like "We Kurds are being tortured, oppressed in Turkey, no equal opportunities for Kurds.". When the issue is complaining about Turkey in Europe they easily say they are Kurds, but when they are caught committing a crime, they proudly say they are Turks. While they are supporting terrorists freely in Europe, they can talk about democracy-human rights, what a terrible conflict is this.

 

Now lets talk about the truth, why other eyhnicities do not terrorize the country but Kurds? Why always we see Kurds dealing with illegal organizations such as terrorism, extortions, honor killings, drug smuggling, women trade, selling girls like goods? Why only Kurds are disturbed by being Turkish citizen? Why only kurds have inferiority complex? Why only Kurds request everything from state, why only Kurds accusing everyone except themselves rather than self-criticism? Why only Kurds spreading the lie of that they are being assimilated whereas we still see Kurdish people who do not know a single Turkish word?

 

For instance we have Turks with Arabic origin, who speaks Arabic in daily life at the same time they can speak Turkish very welll and no problem for them to be presented as Turkish. Kurds say they request education but they support the terrorist leader who killed teachers that sent to educate Kurds. Kurds say they want job but they support terrorists who are sabotaging the enterprises always. Kurds say they cannot learn their languages, state opened Kurdish courses which was closed because of phlegm.

 

Nobody ever said in Turkey to Kurds "you cannot do this job, you cannot enter this city.".  There are many Kurds among the richest people of Turkey. So what happened to their lie of "not having equal opportunity"?

 

But still these Kurdish fascists talking about democracy and human rights, i wonder where are those merits when they are stoning women and children? Where are those merits when they are attacking police with molotov-cocktails or when they are setting fire to buses, cars in Istanbul for example? They will realize human rights and democracy by killing people and causing terrorism, sorry but people do not believe these lies anymore.

 

Lastly if Kurds are still supporting these terrorist acts, they should first look at themselves. The ones who want justice and rights as they put forward, firstly should respect the people of Turkey and Turkey´s unity. People of Turkey never liked the pawns and i hope this hadnt been changed.

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You have simply no idea what "multi culturalism or multi ethnicity " is. 

Not giving equal rights to other ethnicities always but always goes badly:  Either you have to break them, which what we have been doing all those years with Kurds, or they will simply leave in the end. 

But we Turks and Kurds want to live together and we will live together..

The only problem is the nationalists who are having mental blockage..

But even they are begining to realize the situation..

Look at the government´s Kurdish initive ? Look how it was supported by the people!!

People want peace after 70.000 deaths..

 

 



Thread: What is your mood today?

772.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Oct 2009 Sun 02:16 pm

 hehe thanks Flowers, we call it "grip" in Turkish, i heard that now "At gribi" is popular

Quoting _AE_

 

 

Hehehe it is as I thought - you have a COLD then not flu

 

Here is something to help

 

 

 



Thread: What is your mood today?

773.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Oct 2009 Sun 02:10 pm

 I have cold with sore throat, is it "man cold" or "woman cold"?

Quoting _AE_

 

 

 Awwwwwwwwww

When you say "flu" you mean "man cold"?

 

 



Thread: What is your mood today?

774.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Oct 2009 Sun 01:59 pm

feeling bad,  got the flu



Thread: Erotic scenes on Turkish TV, right or wrong?

775.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Oct 2009 Sun 01:56 pm

Once RTÜK warned a tv channel because in scene a guy holding a bottle of beer in his hands . Seems eroticism is a big crime, in fact i want all turkish series to be banned, i cannot watch tv because of them Roll eyes. Anyway this is simply akepe style, i wont be surprised in future if they try to censor the scenes which girl & boy holding eachother´s hand ... 



Thread: A Turkish husband

776.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Oct 2009 Sat 12:57 am

 Libra, it seems muzo didnt like you

Quoting libralady

 

 

 OK, so we are all clear on that then! 

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

777.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 05:46 pm

Normal for traitors to be disturbed from what i wrote, we have lots of them throughout the history.

The ones who are Turkish citizens, are called Turks(Turkish constitution law 66). And the motto represents the cultural and historical union of the one who are living on the lands of Turkey.

 

And here is your frustration ;

Quoting thehandsom

 

And it would not matter if I was alone or not either. It would not change the racism in andimiz(our oath)... 

 

Atatürk is racist as well, below is your another frustration <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Xn6bFAwxo



Thread: Compensation to victim of 2006 bomb

778.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 03:28 am

 Exactly what i thought at first...

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

Isn`t it ironic that we have to pay "compensation" for a British woman who was killed by Kurdish terrorists who were once funded by the west?

 

 



Thread: Happy Birthday Libralady!!!

779.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 03:25 am

Happy belated birthday Libra ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

780.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2009 Fri 03:23 am

Very well said alameda, it seems this poor european guy is not clever enough to interpret this motto, but i think it is intetionally, anyway; It is "Happy is the one who says i am Turk"  not "Happy is the one who is Turk", there is difference, and the ones who are disturbed from this, are absolutely disturbed from Turkish citizenship as well. I read this in a newspaper yesterday, i usually do not read the readers comment but this time i decided to read and i have to say big percentage of comments are rightminded

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

............and a Caucasian is a white person.....????? It´s a pecularity of linguistics....and some exploit it for different reasons.  Maybe we should call countries by numeric formulas?

 

There seems to be a trend now to define countries by a single ethnicity...silly.........nobody is pure anything.....we are all related.

 

If you have not noticed the English have quite a varied look....because they are a mix of different tribes...

same is true of the Germanic groups...Saxons, Teuton, Franks............and on and on..... Then there are the Celts.....

 

You are falling into a trap.....Turk is both a nationality......and an ethnic derivation.............as is a Pole an ethnic derivation and a nationality name....like a Caucasian....and it goes on and on.....you make it a big deal....what do you want to do....rename the country?

 

 



Thread: Q, W, X (or nationalists and chauvinists are so mentally blocked)

781.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Sep 2009 Tue 05:33 pm

Same applies to hungaro slovakians in slovakia, even they are being fined if they speak their language  as far as i know, this is valid for some Baltic countries such as Estonia as well. Besides for instance in Bulgaria or Greece they write your names with their alphabet though it is not latin alphabet they use. Shortly every country has its own official alphabet and it is used  officially.

Quoting si++

 

 

How about American Indians? I am sure they have a language that requires some different letters. What if they demand a new alphabet be designed for them and ask for the extra letters to be included in American alphabet so as to be used their names? Shouldn´t be any problem, I guess.

 

 



Edited (9/29/2009) by armegon



Thread: turkish to eng. please

782.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Sep 2009 Sun 02:16 am

Ohh ok, but i think this kind of Turkish not good for learning, at first i thought he was teasing with you...



Thread: turkish to eng. please

783.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Sep 2009 Sun 02:05 am

"I will wait for you, no problem."

 

If you dont mind, why is he/she speaking tarzanca?



Thread: Eng to Turk - thanks in advance

784.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 07:06 pm

 ÃÃ¾in kötü gittiðini/olduðunu duyduðuma üzüldüm.

Quoting Suzie

I am sorry to hear that business isn´t good

 

 



Thread: Translation from both Turkish and English, I have tried a little myself

785.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 06:57 pm

 small correction-->"ve görünüþe göre iyileþiyorum"

Quoting Melike1

Because I have had surgery for not so long ago I had to go to the hospital and see that I am doing well and recover as I should, which I am. What are your plans for tonight?"

Kýsa bir süre önce aneliyat olduðum için hastane´ye gitmem gerekiyordu. Iyi oldum mu ve iyileþiyor muyum diye kontrol ettirmek için, ve görünüþte iyileþiyorumdur.  Akþam ne yapmayý düþünüyorsun ?

 

 



Thread: E-T please thank you

786.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 06:52 pm

"Tatili dört gözle bekliyorum" better Turkish...



Thread: What are you doing today ?

787.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 03:55 pm

Geçmiþ olsun alameda...



Thread: English to Turkish translation help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance!

788.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 03:53 pm

Þu anda fazla bir þey yapmýyorum, bugün erken saatlerde hastanedeydim. Biraz yorgunum çünkü kan örneði aldýlar ve ben gerçekten bundan hoþlanmýyorum. Birazdan okula gideceðim, matematik sýnavýna girmem lazým. Sen ne yapýyorsun? Nasýlsýn? Umarým günün benimkinden daha iyidir. Hayatýn kendisinden daha çok sana ihtiyacým var.

Quoting chocogirl

"Im not doing much at the moment, I were at the hospital earlier today. Im a bit tired because they took bloodsamples and I really dislike that. I will go to school later, I have a math exam I have to attend to. What are you doing? How are you? I hope that your day is better than mine is. I need you more than life itself."

 

I have tried a little but making sentences is very hard, it is far more easier to understand a text than it is to translate. I know the words of this text, but I cannot put them into a sentence....Thanks in advance to the person who tries to help!

 

 



Thread: turkish to eng. please

789.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 03:48 pm

On which day of december do you want to come?



Thread: Short e to t

790.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 01:02 am

Umarým annen kýsa zamanda iyi olur, neyi var?

Aþkým seni çok özledim, keþke her gün senle olabilsem. Seni sarmak/kucaklamak istiyorum ve her þeyin iyi olmasýný saðlamak istiyorum.

Quoting jenniecakes

I hope your mum is better soon, what is wrong with her?

My love i miss you so much, i wish i was with you everyday.  I want to hug you and make everything good.

 

 



Edited (9/25/2009) by armegon



Thread: What are you listening now?

791.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2009 Fri 12:45 am

Bu böyle- Sertab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsuIoTQ-pg



Thread: Shooting stone throwers not a crime

792.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Sep 2009 Thu 09:55 pm

It was not a defence, just a point to be mentioned as it was pretended to show here that he was shot without warning. And I couldnt pass without referring, in west or any part of Turkey, not 150-200 Turks or any other ethniticies grouped to stone the forces and blockade them all the time but terrorist supporters do, not just protestors, stones can be replaced with generades as well... 



Thread: Shooting stone throwers not a crime

793.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Sep 2009 Thu 03:28 am

Better to read carefully "Despite his repeated warnings, the crowd continued to throw stones..."



Thread: Weakest Link!!!

794.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Sep 2009 Thu 01:10 am

I apologized because i stereotyped the looks of feminists(not because of feeling negatively about feminism) by resembling presenter to the feminists such as i can portray rock-singer according to their looks. I guess you did not read carefully. And now i know how you portrayed some women btw. Of course you did not care what i thought about feminism, because it seems you already know what i think by mind-reading. As for my apology, if you think it is not sincere, your choice, no problem for me. I put question mark there not to offend you, thats because i do not know if you are feminist or not. And lastly dinner from you?? bir kaþýk suda boðarsýn beni <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)



Thread: Weakest Link!!!

795.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 11:49 pm

It will be better if you dont throw dirt to me according to your perception, and its better if you dont blame me about the words i did not say, anyways. So you think you are mind-reading then go ahead with your hate. Im not awed to apologize again if i broke someone´s heart about this issue. My apologies to you as well if you are offended that much...



Thread: Weakest Link!!!

796.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 10:39 pm

it seems a feminist?? had got angry with me but i have already apologized.  I believe everyone has an image of some people in their minds, bad thing is to generalize, thats what i tried to refrain and thats why i asked. Btw im not a fan or supporrter of burka, fyi...



Thread: ZAMAN

797.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 08:15 pm

 Not surprising, each broken clock also shows the time two times correct in a day...Wink

Quoting AlphaF

Current joke about Turkish daily newspaper ZAMAN is that the only thing you can safely believe in that paper is the "date" on the front page.<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 



Thread: Weakest Link!!!

798.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 04:18 pm

I asked because this look fits the description of how i portray a feminist, i know its not good to classify people according to their looks but somehow thats rooted on my mind. I am sorry if i offended any feminist hereWink

Quoting _AE_

 

What do you mean "is she femminist" btw!!!

 

 



Thread: Weakest Link!!!

799.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2009 Wed 03:48 pm

Is she femminist?Unsure As far as i remember there was also Turkish version called "zayýf halka", and she looks like similar to Polish and English counterparts, i wonder if they did search much to find



Thread: anatolia

800.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Sep 2009 Sun 04:22 am

Misal, Fethiye area is in Anatolia, JennyWink



Thread: What made you smile today :)

801.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2009 Fri 07:27 pm

Bir brendi lütfen



Thread: What are you listening now?

802.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Sep 2009 Thu 02:17 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyL7utbLj68



Thread: what are you watching now?

803.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2009 Wed 04:07 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uio1zs6pvzA 



Thread: Mustafa Celaleddin Pasa-Konstanty Borzęcki

804.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2009 Wed 04:05 pm

Just a litte info; Ottoman army´s hitting power in battles was always "Týmarlý Sipahi"s who were light cavaliers and those were defending right & left wing of the army as well as attacking. Janisseries´ and Kapýkulu soldiers´ duty was to protect Sultan. Kapýkulu soldiers at first decided to be chosen among "devsirme"s but since they were not good at horse-riding, all were started to be chosen among Turkmens. And all Týmarlý Sipahis were Turks & Turkmens as well. Actually its well known fact Turks, Turkic tribes, Mongols using light cavaliers in battles in central asia which were very good at fighting on horses and which was a key factor for Turks to win a battle during middle age and beginning of new era. And when the firearms started to become popular in battles during 18th century, cavaliers lost their importance and that was the downfall time of Ottoman army... 



Thread: Who said what?

805.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Sep 2009 Sun 06:29 pm

Dereden önce kendisini ýslah etmek lazým, þaka gibi, bir de piþkin piþkin konuþuyorlar, bir kere de suç sizde olsun be rte...Marmara depremini de içki içenlere baðlamýþtý bu zihniyet, ne beklersin, halý tüccarýndan baþbakan olursa bunlarý iþitmek müstehak bize... 

Quoting si++

"Derenin intikamý acý olur"

"The water stream has the last word to say"

 

A historical statement by Recep Tayyip Erdoðan - Turkish PM

 

 



Edited (9/13/2009) by armegon



Thread: A NIGHT OF HIGH EXPECTATIONS

806.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2009 Sat 07:18 pm

 Turkia has just beaten Spain. Good luck Spain

Quoting AlphaF

Tonight Turkia plays against Spain in Euro Basketball, second tour.

Can Turkia beat Spain?  ..Not very likely, but possible.

 

Good luck Spain ! Wink

 

 



Edited (9/12/2009) by armegon



Thread: What are you listening now?

807.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Sep 2009 Sat 01:51 am

Zeynebim Türküsü-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtpD6eniBxo

Erkan Oður--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTC70M2vG4                 



Thread: Okey Game On Facebook...

808.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2009 Fri 11:34 pm

How to play okey

 And you can play okey at http://oyun.mynet.com/okey (needs registering)



Thread: how is this translation i tried?

809.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2009 Fri 11:01 pm

 This is my translation, perhaps you can check and compare, but i think i did some mistakes too

Quoting hannah143

 

i found this childrens text and tried to translate it, the words in * means i think its totally wrong and i found it hard. i have no trouble with english, because i am english, but the english translation might not fully make sence, a bit too simple, but i know it should be understandable. so how did i do? correct any mistakes please, iv not been learning long at all, about a week and most of the words i had to look up in the dictionary. 


Bobo adýnda bir yavru ayý ile Yogo adýnda bir porsuk arkadaþ olmuþlardý. *Onlar bir ormanýn kýyýsýnda yaþýyorlardý.* Her ikisi de birbirini çok seviyordu. Bir gün birlikte dolaþýrlarken bir top buldular. Top; plastikten yapýlmýþtý. Görünüþü çok güzeldi. Dört renkliydi. Sari, kýrmýzý, mavi ve pembe. Bobo ile Yogo birlikte oynamayý çok seviyorlardý. Oynadýklarý yer çimenlerle, çiçeklerle süslüydü. Orada yasayan böcekler ve kelebekler Bobo ile Yogo´ya bakýyordu. Biri atýyor, öbürü tutuyordu. Top tüy kadar hafifti. *Dokundukça zýp zýp zýplýyordu.* Bobo ile Yogo oynaya oynaya bir evin yakýnýna kadar geldiler. Bobo bir vuruþ yaptý. Top fýrladý, küçük bir gölete düþtü. Orada bulunan kuþlar korkmuþlardý. Hemen havalandýlar. Yogo sudan çýkardýðý topu, bir kütüðün içine götürdü. 

 

 

A young bear called Bobo and a badger called Yogo had become friends. They were living in the edge of a forest. Both of them love each other very much. One day whilst they were strolling around together, they found a ball. Ball was made of plastic. It looks like very beautiful and it was four coloured, yellow, red, blue and pink. Bobo and Yogo was loving to play together. The place that they were palying, was decorated with grass and flowers. The butterflies and insects living there were watching them. One of them was throwing the ball and the other one was grabbing it. Ball was light like a feather, and bouncing when touched. Bobo and Yogo came near to a house while they were palying with the ball. Bobo hit the ball, ball flied and dropped into a pond. Birds that were located there were afraid of, immediately they flied away. Yogo brought the ball which he had taken out of water, into the trunk of a tree.

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

810.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2009 Fri 05:50 pm

Halil Ýbrahim sofrasý



Thread: what caught my eye today

811.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2009 Fri 05:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_h3hyifCsU Smile



Thread: Corrections or are they ok ;)

812.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2009 Fri 01:34 am

Both seems ok to me...

first one can also be "seni kelimelerin söyleyebileceðinden daha çok seviyorum".

second one can be "seni özlemeyi en çok bilen benim" as well.



Thread: transl. from trk to eng. please :) thank you :)

813.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 04:49 am

This was not the photo that bertan said you had looked like terrible, anyhow you confused it with this one, as pose in this photo is normal haha, in this there is  plan of tickling sara possibly, i will look at this one with skew eyed.

 

ps:not a good turkish, not sure about the last sentence but similar i guess

Quoting ask80

bertan ýn öle korkunç çýktýn dediði foto bu deildi sen onla karýþtýrdýn heralde ki oda normal bi poz olmuþ hahaa..  bunda zaten sarayý gýdýk planlarý var heralde öle bakacam þaþ

 

 



Thread: EU BASKETBALL

814.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2009 Tue 04:43 am

Lithuania was  favorite in this match, really a surprise , free-throw shooting percentage helped us, 26/23



Thread: patlican dish name!?

815.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Sep 2009 Mon 06:02 pm

Never heard of it. Maybe dish can be named in Turkish "mercimekli patlýcan dolmasý"



Thread: what caught my eye today

816.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2009 Sun 01:14 am

 Congratulations to Dobrowskis , Poland is very at volleyball in both women and men

Quoting Melek74

Poland beat Turkey in valleyball 3:0. Dobrowskis rule!!! Thank you, thank you!

 

(Good thing (for Poland) we´re not in the same group in the World Cup qualifiers! Big smile )

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

817.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 11:36 am

This->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwdvpr5wwXc  horrifying...



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

818.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 06:20 am

Actually they learned what freedom is from Iraq and Afghanistan where US is still on duty. In fact it seems invading a country makes the situation worse. And of course i agree they should get rid of their puppet leaders that US assigned(that will possibly make them enemy with US btw). Iran was the most dearest ally of US and UK at time of Shah, Tehran was called the Paris of east, then what happened, the regime changed mollas kicked out of the blood suckers from their country, that followed a war between Iraq and Iran where Saddam was supported by US, now they became the first target of west, why? thats because of petrol that they couldnt smell of it anymore.(Note that i do not support those mollas and the way they treat their citizens but i appreciate their truly stand against the US.)



Edited (9/5/2009) by armegon



Thread: what caught my eye today

819.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 05:41 am

 Hehe thanks,  woow im very happy that im upgraded to thehandsom´s class after catwoman´s class, beginner will be fine as i am far away from here for about six monthsWink...

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Welcome back Armegon to Thehandsom Class! Thank you, thank you!We have a variety of classes, for all levels (we recommend that you start with the beginner level), you can practice with exercises, there is pronounciation for larger texts, as well as vocabulary quizzes. We also offer thehandsom double-click dictionary, just click anywhere on the site, and you will be taken to the dictionary that will explain the meaning of whatever you don´t understand. There are also other materials available here, from which  you can learn more about Thehandsom´s history and culture. We hope you will find them all useful and that you will enjoy what we have prepared here for you. Thank you, thank you!

 

 



Thread: Another Christian Crime in Iraq: Deformed Babies

820.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 04:56 am

DD, you can humiliate muslim countries as much as you can, nothing changes since they are happy with their lives and noone has right to force them change or invade their country, if those were independent countries, it is their business to choose how they want to live not US or EU. Besides i think you havent been to any of Arabic countries, be sure that people in those countries live better than any of you, thanks to petrol, and i assure you that all of those artificial countries supported by US because they are the best slaves and because US richness is also coming from there . I dont know what will happen when petrol finishes ...

 

Lastly let me remind you, in Turkey the ones who are craving for EU, is the islamists and liberals nowadays not the whole people. In fact if anyone ask them what EU is, they dont care or not much knowlegde about it. It seems the humiliating you described is what you feel when your country Poland was being ruled by socialismWink

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

821.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 03:05 am

 

Quoting _AE_

Welcome back Armegon - its nice to see you here again

 

 Thank you dear _AE_Thank you, thank you!Flowers, it is nice to see you here again and it is nice to be in thehandsom´s class as well



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

822.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 03:02 am

 I mean the concepts of this initiative is unknown. Do you know the concept? If so please tell us, and people can learn. By the way if you are talking about MGK by saying army also approves this, i cant say anything about that as i dont know the concepts of MGK meeting. But highly possible that tayyip lied to them as he lied in Azerbaijan parliament .  Just look at the latest army declarations online and understand why ur dear al-taraf, zaman vakit and variety of republic enemies attacking them whereas the declarations were very levelled and very-well organised that i completely agree.  So where are we now? Whats the concept of this Kurdish initiative, whats the purpose? Why ur dear akp hesitating to voice it? And why they suddenly changed the agenda to the armenian initiative ? What Kurds demanding from the state? If it is concession rather than a Turkish citizen, of course im against it, and if the army approves this, im against them too, im sure they are prepared to see more anarchism then maybe another warWink, so nothing changes from my side, now lets see what is this initiative and lets see how it works or not...

Quoting thehandsom

what unknown initive?

The kurdish initive which is done by the government endorsed by the army and Turkish people?

What you are saying as an answer to Kurdish PROBLEM is being said for last 25 years and the result is 70.000 dead..

You may have desire to see another 70.000 people dead (rather than giving their basic human rights) but TURKS AND KURDS dont..

That is where we are now, despite your annoyance lol lol ..

(But a year ago or so,I have already told you these )

 

 



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

823.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 01:15 am

 Yep, dont you like it?  Those are truths that we exprienced, of course not my made-ups, those are the observations of public. So now whats the reply to my question? What are demands of Kurds? What is this unknown initiative?

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I can not see any answers armegon I do NOT think you are telling the truth there..

and THE  solution is this?

 Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 


lol lol lol 



 

 



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

824.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:35 am

I replied questions and proposed a solution if you can read since the problem stems from the Kurds themselves. And instead of repeating the same things, the question should be replied that is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

Quoting sthehandsom



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

825.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2009 Sat 12:01 am

 As usual you jumped thehandsom, what is your post relevance to my post except your standard agitations? I dont need to research ethnicities as the ones who killed were Turkish citizens. And regarding the bones you mentioned, do you know their ethnicities? do you mean 17000 people´s bones found? In fact its proved bones were dog bones. I explained the solution in my previous post if you read carefully. Actually they have the same rights like all Turkish citizens. The question is what they want from state now other than ordinary Turkish citizen have.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Do you know how many people died exactly?

Can you show me an official documentation showing the ethnicity of the people who died?

Can you tell us how many of them were kurdish and how many of them were turkish?

Can you also tell us that how those kurds died (a mass suicide)?

Do you know how many times our own goverment punished by EU human rights court? (do you recognize is as a court?)

Do you know that there are 17.000 kurds gone missing  and their bones are being found here and there? how do you think they have gone missing? magic?

And what do you think the solution from your side apart from ´we want to kill them all and cause many more  turks-kurds got killed´?

If they were not rebelious, put your hand into your heart and tell us, would you give any RIGHTS to the people who said they were kurds?

I mean would you recognize their identity? would you recognize their language?

 

 

 

 



Edited (9/5/2009) by armegon



Thread: Turkey, Armenia agree to establish diplomatic ties

826.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:16 pm

Arabulucuya bak hizaya gel, Ýsviçre ,  you are subject to be jailed in Switzerland if you say there is no armenian genocide had taken place...



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

827.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:01 pm

 Exactly!

Quoting bydand

                                                                                                                                                Quote Elisabeth

but the heart of the problem seems to be the Kurds themselves. Concessions will have to be made on both sides but many of the Kurdish people don´t seem to be willing compromise.

 

 

 

 



Thread: Separation paranoia or would education in Kurdish separate Turkey?

828.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Sep 2009 Fri 11:00 pm

 Thats true something changed under the pressure of EU, thats people became more hostile to eachother.  And what about thousands of innocent Turkish citizens killed by Kurdish facists? As i know Kurds are using their language everywhere except the official institutions. Besides what are their cultural holidays? As far as i know nowadays they celebrate the 15th of August where 33 Turkish soldiers killed which is not cultural. By the way is there a country called Kurdistan established that we dont know? As some members here comparing it to Turkey & Poland. History repeats itself and i advice you to research how many Kurdish riots uprised during war of independence and the following years instead of trying to give history lessons here and who were behind those riots. In fact Turks expect initiative from Kurds, like its beter if they do not stone the government offices as they just used those offices, its better if they choose parlimentarian not from a prison but from a school, its better if they send their girls and boys to school instead of demanding official Kurdish education, its better if they riot against their feudal system instead of state, its better if they do not sabotage the enterprices and investments that the state provides, then the problem is mostly solved... 

Quoting catwoman

 

I am not sure how it is now, some things have changed under the pressure of EU, but not that long ago, before the barbaric tortures against Kurds by the modern turkish government, Kurds were not even allowed to use kurdish names for their children, not to mention celebrating their cultural holidays, or using their language in public places..

 

I do wonder why Clinton is so loved by Turks, maybe the atrocities against Kurds campaign and US involvement has some insight into it..

 

 

 



Thread: arabic-english translation request

829.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 10:56 pm

Þöyle olabilir; "tamam sus artýk yeter, Türk hahah çok uðraþtýrdýn beni".

 

Tabi kesin emin deðilim mesela "hakir" kelimesinden, "tabaan" normalda yorgun demek ama burda mecazi kullanmýþ gibi, dalga geçer gibi, mesela "yordun beni, uðraþtýrdýn beni" gibi ... 

Quoting mltm

Soryy for this translation request, but I´ll delete this thread as soon as I get my answer.

 

 

"taib skut ya hakir, turki hahah eh tabaan ;-!"

 

 



Thread: Gifts dilemma!

830.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 10:32 pm

What dilliduduk said of a high percentage true for Turkish people...



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

831.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 06:09 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Becasue I will perhaps get attacked; receive hate mail; be called a nationalist patriotic pig brainwashed in rhetoric and all else that comes with being logical. I just wrote it in handsom´s thread so that people could actually have something that is worthy of reading other than newspaper articles... But, thanks anyway man. I appreciate it.

 

 

 

 Ohh i forgot this , no need to thanks mate, actually i appreciate your effort, yes that name callings are high possibility, but you should accommodate with this name calling, i did

 



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

832.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 05:57 am

Actually this Kurdish politician should first learn to interpret law and nationalism of Turkey, it says the ones who are bounded the Turkish state with citizenship, is Turk. This has nothing to do with ethnicity. For example a Brasilian who has eligible to get Turkish citizenship and want to be a Turkish citizen, after then he also called Turk officially by Turkish state. What do you expect from Türkiye to call him? Brasilian? Isnt this divisiveness between Turkey’s citizens?

 

Quoting thehandsom

 Below is a paragraph from a kurdish politician :

 

"In the constitution it says that ‘everyone bound to the Turkish state through the bond of citizenship is a Turk’. According to official explanations, this sentence defines Turkish society and not an ethnic group. However, this is not true. The statements, practices and laws of the founders of Turkey show that this sentence refers to Turkish ethnicity. If this article is not changed, we cannot talk of a solution of the Kurdish issue."

 

 

 

 



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

833.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 04:27 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 And I am sure Canli wont bother to delete this message either..

 

 

I dont understand why you only request this from CANLI, TC has six moderators following this section like libralady, Sui, lady in Red.  Was only CANLI online at that time? Did you send pm’s to the other moderators? Apparently, there has been a continuing injustice campaign against CANLI directed by gang members ,  i think she tries her best as a moderator...



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

834.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:42 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

Great!  So Kurds are Turks too eh?

 

 No, simply because they want to say they are Kurds



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

835.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:41 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

Angels of Thehansom or should I say harem

 

lol as far as i remember he confessed his harem had blown up, perhaps he established new harem then...



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

836.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:14 am

It is known the Turkish MIT is under the affect of CIA or used by CIA, this is not new, it has been happening since Turkey entered NATO. This also includes some parts of army, thats because today they are trying to refine or trying to defame some generals who openly declare that they are against the NATO. 

 

Quoting cynicmystic

It is not the government officials directly funding or supporting. It is the secret service and the intelligence.

 

 



Edited (2/24/2009) by armegon



Thread: A Striking Poll About Turks!

837.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Feb 2009 Tue 03:02 am

Nobody responded to this. I think the journal or interpreter aim to direct people intenionally. This has nothing to do with xenophobia. By the way whats the percentage of people who expressed their fears, all has percentage but this one is evaded only by “many”, if six thousand people have fear then we have a big problem...

 

In addition i really want to hear a poll done in European countries if they have xenophobia especially against Turks.  Perhaps cynicmystic can answer this as he had travelled many countries in Europe how they view Turks.

 

Other ones should be at least 47%, thats why today Turkey has a facist government like AKP and thats why Turks havent found any righteous leader throughout the Republic history yet, so it seems democracy is too much for Turkey, we need sharia or dictatorship and i hope AKP will provide this as US and EU supports them. I can understand US, its their politics, they support every obiedent so-called muslim leaders all over the world because these are good slaves, also good at deceiving people with religion and keep them sleep, like Saudi for example...

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 How exactly is the opinion of 73% being against foreigners owning land & property in Turkey interpreted as xenophobia anyway?   

 

 



Edited (2/24/2009) by armegon
Edited (2/24/2009) by armegon



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

838.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 04:09 am

By the way great writing cynicmystic, describes many of the points, thanks, why dont you post this also on your coloumn?

Quoting cynicmystic

 

I just want to share some of my thoughts on the establishment of a Kurdistan, and some of the possible intentions that may lurk behind such an idea.

 

True, the idea of establishing a new country called Kurdistan, which will supposedly include southeastern Turkey, parts of Iran and Iraq, has been around for a while. But, on the contrary to your suggestion, this idea has nothing to do with the thoughtful & benevolent sentiments about giving ´landless people´ their land that they can call their own in the name of justice or fairness. The Kurdish issue, as well as the Armenian issue, has always been political tools designed, implemented and propogated by Western countries. Depending on the specific geopolitical circumstances of each time period, the Kurdish & Armenian cards are played by the big players, such as the US, Germany, France, and the UK, for the sole purpose of protecting their vested interests in the region. The involvement of Germany & the UK in funding & arming the PKK, and escalating violence in Turkey is well known.  

Whether the Turkish army reacted the right way or not to these externally imposed challenges is debatable. However, the real cuplrits behind this state-sponsored terrorism were Germany & the UK, not really Turkey. I have always felt that the Turkish army should have been smarter and have employed different tactics to deal with the problem. For over a decade, over one third of the government´s revenues went into dropping bombs on its own land and people. The Turkish army literally shot itself in the foot.

 

....................................................................................................

 

 



Edited (2/22/2009) by armegon



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

839.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 03:39 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

tami tami..

It is a historical document..

British does not refer to ethnicity the way you know it in the uk..

Even the PM G Brown is trying to figure out what british is..

So sorry but keep sucking your thumb and make sure it down not get all wrinkly..

 

 

 Yeah, the only ethnic word in the world is Turk lol



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

840.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 03:38 am

thehandsom you are lacking of understanding as usual, what i said read carefully, the articles which you here usually post from Zaman and its puppets adore sharia, thats what i pointed out. Do you have reading? I didnt live among you, i lived among those fethullah supporters and witnessed their real face.  I dont care if you adore sharia or not. I just showed their mentality, and it seems to me you like it very much. Do you remember the honest girl which she said she dont like Atatürk in the program teketek? Her husband lost his job, these AKP puppets fired her husband. And you remember the “çakma liberal” girls there , nothing happened to them because they were sneaky, i just portray you like those çakma liberals and portray chiko as pawn.  I think nothing wrong with it , i dont need to show any post of you that belittle Atatürk actually your posts tell everything

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

lol

Well..where did you see any single word in my posts which praises fethullah? On the contrary, i have always thought that the guy is a sneak like person..

And me adoring sheria? show me one word in any of the posts from me..are you sure of that? (I have been accused of being many things but a sheria supporter is the first..My warmest conguratulations to you )

and you lived amongs us? and we did not notice you? lol

And also show me if you can where i said anything to belittle Ataturk..can you?

you are quite funny tonight..

 

 

 



Thread: Welcome to Kurdistan

841.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 02:25 am

Of course he is, but he uses just a cover like all fethuallhcý mentality, actually thats their main problem. He curses sheria, but the ones who he quoted their articles here adore sharia, i know this because i lived among them, they say among people “Atatürk büyük bir liderdi” but when they are together by themselves,  they say “ Beton Kemal”  thats what i witnessed. So chiko i congratulate, you said this openly, actually i really hope this from you. But a sad news for you, you cant be a puppet leader or a subcontractor of imperialists, you can only be a pawn  

 

 

Quoting chiko

thehandsom, i read your article. i wonder if you blame your great! leader Ataturk for this situation as much as you blame Bahceli?

 

 



Edited (2/22/2009) by armegon



Thread: Dutch Pedophilia Party

842.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 07:24 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 
(bkz: ben bugun bunu gordum)

 

 

 

 

  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

843.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 07:19 am

i was thinking what happened here



Thread: Pickles

844.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Feb 2009 Sat 07:03 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Turkishness only pertains to handsom, not me. I don´tknow know what that word means actually.  

 

 lol me too, some translates it into Turkish Türkiyelilik, what a lame word ...



Thread: Can anyone help me get the postal code?

845.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 11:57 pm

 

Quoting azade

In my experience the postalcode is not important (perhaps if it´s a big city), it gets delivered anyway - also if the adress is messed up

 

 I agree



Thread: Gazanfer Özcan passed away

846.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 11:54 pm

Allah rahmet eylesin. Kuruntu ailesi ile büyüdük biz...



Thread: Can anyone help me get the postal code?

847.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 05:28 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

Isn´t Çiftlikköy in the Yalova province not Mersin?

 

Yep, but she stated the city Mersin, and i guess there are many Çiftlikköys in Turkey. So i googled Mersin and Çiftlikköy and found the link below; there is also town called Çiftlikköy in Mersin...
http://www.mersinciftlikkoy.bel.tr/



Thread: Can anyone help me get the postal code?

848.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Feb 2009 Wed 03:47 am

It should be 33160.  And the adress is then: Merkez Mah. Hoca Ahmet Yesevi Sok. No:31 33160 Çiftlikköy/Mersin

Quoting princess68

I´ve been trying to find the postal code for the following address given by a friend but my search was futile. I couldn´t get in touch with my friend. The address is

 

merkez mahallesi hoca ahmet yesevi sokak no:31 ciftlikkoy

mersin, turkey

 

Is the address complete? I need to send something soon. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks you.

 

 



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

849.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 05:46 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 Then you will have to listen to what others will have to say as well..

 

 I listen everyone and because of this i post my opinions, simply those are responses.

Quote:

yeah yeah yeah.. There are very clear and distinct orders in Quran such as chopping hands of theives etc..

where are you going to put them..eh?

, very clear says who? ill-intenioned people? As i said its realted to knowledge and how you approach Quran, Here is an explanation, explains 5:38
http://www.submission.org/satan/theft.html
And here is another intepretation;

“5:38 (Theft is a crime that steals away the sense of security from a society). A habitual thief, male or female, must have their ability (to steal) cut off. This is the reward for their doings, and a deterrent from Allah. Allah is Almighty, Wise.
[For QAT’A, the so-called cutting of hands, please see 12:31. ‘Yadd’ = Hand = Ability. ‘Allah’s hand’ at many places in the Qur’an, of course, denotes His Power and Authority. So, consider all circumstances with wisdom, and take measures to prevent this crime in the society] Here´s the reference from Mathew Chapter 18, Verses 8-9 (The New King James
Version).
"And if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from
you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than
having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
"And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is
better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes,
to be cast into hell fire.
5:39 Whoever repents after the crime and makes amends, surely, Allah grants him pardon. Verily, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (If the hands are cut off, where are the making amends, pardon and mercy?)”

Quote:

As long as your posts promotes Islam (or any religion) , there will be some posts slamming down Islam (or any religion)..
And Will you care to tell us all why I am here then?
Will you be able to discuss "anything, but anything" without resorting to personal insult!!..
Are you that weak?

is your  belief that weak? 

are your ideas that weak?

 

I have no problem about the posts criticizing Islam  till their intention is not Islam blackening rather than knowledge. thehandsom how many times do i need to say you that why you are here? Actually i havent see personal insult in my last post, but your post is far more cynical than my post.



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

850.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 04:31 pm

 thehandsom, you better stop talking nonsense. When Islam is being discussed, of course i have my right  to give my opinions.  You can take anything out of context,  if one only take the part of the verse to prove cruelty of the teachings of Kuran, we call this ill-intention. Let me give only one example, im sure that link also contains this;

“ 2/190-193 “And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then God is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God´s. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.”

 

Anyone can understand from the above verses, fight can be made only againgst people who fight you and for the case of self defence. In its every above mentioned phrase, there is a check. ?...Do not transgress... Allah does not love the transgressors... Do not fight them near the Mosque unless they attack you... If they desist, know that Allah is forgiving, Merciful... But if they desist, fight not except the oppressors...?. Anyone has taken out the sentences from in-between to prove the cruelty of the teachings of Kuran. Similar is the case of other verses that are quoted out of context. Please consider that these instructions are not the instruction for normal peace times. These are the war time instructions when war is imposed upon the believers. Kuran instructs that the war is not declared on every unbeliever. Even during the war with the unbelievers, distinction has to be made in case of those who have treaties with the believers. Treaties have to be honoured. Even with those who impose war upon the believers, instructions are given for a respite from war in the four sacred months. “


But ill-intenioned people somehow forgot the verse 2/190 or forgot that these verses are the war time instructions when war is imposed upon the believers.

 

By the way mr. thehandsom, there is no exact translation of Quran in any language because its original itself like how a song translated in another language, mostly loses some parts of its emotions but still understandable. Also translator can add his personal interpretations(some with paranthesis, some with directly), personal thinkings or own understanding of the verse according to his/her view of Islam. Some translations influenced by hadiths, sunni teachings or shia teachings differs from translator to translator. For example in English there are several translations, each translated the verses using different English words, but the meaning is close. Its still better to read Quran in your native language but comparing it with the other translations if you dont know Arabic.

 

Lastly if you did care, the discussions is not started by me usually. Have you ever seen any of my threads promoting Islam? But people begin to understand why you are here very well{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

We are accustomed to "parts of Quran verses taken out of context" excuse. Instead of moaning about it, why dont you come up with the ´correct´ translation and with their contexts?

There are many verses in Quran (or any religious book really) which make you wonder how those can be described as ´divine´.

 

As a note, as long as you come here to promote your religion ´how peaceful it is´,  there will always be some critisisim.

You better get used to it..

 

 



Edited (2/16/2009) by armegon [take the wrong quote :)]



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

851.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Feb 2009 Mon 05:08 am

 

Quoting alameda

You may not endorse it, but then I wonder why you choose to post such a disgusting link?

 

Alameda, nowadays you can see lots of parts of Quran verses taken out of context and mistranslated everywhere to spread hatred. It reminds me the struggle between Muaviyye and Ali which made biggest harm to Islam.  So i dont bother any of them really, im accustomed to these .

 

Briefly as i said before, Quran promotes and also encourages self-defence and considers it holy. Since its the human nature, you cant be silence to the crime applied to you. I think Quran is the mirror of person´s inside, thus you understand Quran according to how you approach it. For instance if you think "hate", you will find hate and wrath in Quran, if you think peace, then you see peace in Quran, if you think justice, then you see justice. Negativity is like a virus infecting our minds and hearts. Thats why Quran says this negative of attitude is a disease in their hearts that reinforces itself according to the divine laws of universal development.

 

Quran tell us to forgive human-being and to pardon people and what people say. But at the same time for example parents can love their children and still fight against them. Just like a mother fights his drug addict son but still loves him. So we can fight with honor against those who applied us crime but this does not mean we need to demonize them. Its may be like hate the sin but not the sinner. We should fight those but we still want them to correct themselves.

 



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

852.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Feb 2009 Sat 08:20 am

But this time their acts/beliefs become your prejudice since you ignore the knowledge.

 

Off ok Daydreamer, if also there is a contradiction with the truth and what you said, hereafter what you said is valid{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}.



Thread: 4 sentences ENG to TURK (not urgent) :)

853.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 11:12 pm

 1. Þu anda babamýn dükkanýnda çalýþýyorum

 2. Onun Liverpool´da çiçekçi dükkaný var

 3. Ben geçici olarak orada yaþýyorum.

 4. Burada hiç arkadaþým yok.

Quoting ask80

1. Currently, I am working at my dad´s store.

2. He has a flower shop in Liverpool.

3. I am living temporarily there.

4. I don´t have friends here.

 

Thank you for your kind help. It is not urgent..

 

 



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

854.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 11:02 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Thank you Armegon for that comment. How come then honour kilings and suicide attacks are made in the name of Allah? I guess that´s what confused me. I don´t want to debate theologically about which believers are right and which are wrong. If somebody kills people hoping for heaven after death and finds such promise in Islam, then it is an Islamic think. Now, you may argue it´s not what Islam is all about but they (not me) will say that you´re wrong. We´ve talked about Talibs recently - tell them they don´t live the Islamic way - I wonder if you´d survive it.

 

Sorry DD, then how can i explain these since you dont want a theological explanation? Becasue i will use source as Quran to refute their claim. Anyway simply i try to explain,  in Islam defending  your country, your family  against the invaders  is just holy which is self defense but this does not mean to kill innocents who did not do anything to you.  Actually many scholars say exactly the same thing what i said about Taliban.  I hope this clears your confusion...



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

855.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 09:43 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Melek, you won´t convince them so don´t bother. According to some members here, the people who call themselves Muslim and claim to live by the word of Quran when they blow themselves up together with innocent people around are not Muslim, neither are those who commit honour killings and those who treat women like dirt.

 

If honor killings, blowing themselves to kill innocents without a cause is not related to Islam, then what should we say?

 

Quoting Daydreamer

But secular states with all kinds of religions in their armies, legal system and churches next to synagogues and mosques are Christian. lol

 

But the real thing is you dont want to see who are the real terrorits, i think just because those are your people not a religous thing . Just want to give an example form past, 20.000 women and chidren were murdered according to testimony of US perpetrators by the operation phoenix in Vietnam(while Vietnamese say the number of murdered is more than 40.00. These people were doctors, lawyers, villagers, teachers etc, just murdered to instill fear in the enemy. These are the real terrorist invaders just now they implementing this in Iraq or in Gaza. These are examples of civilized west{#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

856.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 07:14 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 And yes, sharia is part of Islam, as hadiths are part of Islam. Separating the two is like saying that Catholicism is just the Bible, but no traditions. It all is a part of the package. You can ignore it if you want to, and good for you, I´m happy you can cherry pick what parts of Islam appear to you as a good and moral person, and you can reject the bad stuff. I wish more people did the same.

 

Last thing i want to say about this. This shows you dont know Islam well. Actually it is clear in the Quran that the real source of Din is just the Great Reading. As for the hadiths till now approximately 800.000 hadith recited and %90 of them rejected.  And today we also see the realiable ones so guess how are those rejecteds?  Many of them are the claimed words of Muhammed so can only  be verified using Kuran. At the time of prophet writing hadiths are strictly forbidden and all of these written nearly 2 centuries after him. Today we cant even know the history just a century ago except the main events with all possibilites we have. Now you can guess how those hadiths are reliable. By the way i just not pick the ones who suits my interest, i just follow the Quran which should all muslims do rather than hadiths or traditions. And im not the only one like this there are many people who thinks the same as me.



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

857.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 06:55 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 I don´t know, I don´t believe there is/are (a) God/gods. These words are Bouyeri´s not mine.

 

These words actually not his words, these are the words of so-called hadith writers who had done more harm to Islam rather than van Gogh or Salman Rushdie. And this clearly shows how he brainwashed...



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

858.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 06:20 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 in the fight of the believers against the infidels violence is approved by the prophet Muhammad" at:

 

 

I mentioned this before, let me repeat, this is just lie to Muhammed, how could a prophet go against the teachings which was revealed to him by God?



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

859.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 06:18 pm

Quote:

I get that religion is not the ONLY factor in many of the attacks, evils, etc. But I think it is as incorrect to say it´s not an issue. To deny its role in what´s happening is just that, a denial.

Everybody believes in something, what makes them evil, is themselves in my opinion.

 

Quote:

I don´t know about the life of Muslims in Europe, I do know about the life of Muslims in the USA, and the Muslism I know are not complaining, trust me

 

Why i trust you,if i have relatives and friends who are living different parts of Europe. They were seen as potential terrorists nothing more nothing less.

Quote:

That was a reply to your statement "... people´s first aim is to look after their family, its their most important duty not like the west countries" where you implied if not directly stated that in the western countries people´s most iportant duty is not to look after their families. So don´t twist my words, I´m reacting to your contrasting people´s priorities, not quality of life.

 

Actually you are the one twisting, what do u think what i said by the phrase "situation"? At first you just quoted a part of paragraph and replied only that part not in the context. Of course you mean what i was saying, you just chose to give an reply of pertness.

 

Quote:

I think you´re doing the same, putting all westerners in the same box.

 

No i think im criticizing the politics rather than people. If you say their politics is normal, then you are also in that box.

 

Quote:

And yes, I have heard of Islamic terrorism before. Let me give you some examples: Grand Mosque Seizure, ´85 TWA Hijacking, bombing of US Embassy in Beirut in ´83. I can compile a list for you if needed. It´s not a new issue that just came about in 2001. I think the world woke up to it then. And it´s not an issue limited to Islamic terrorists of course, there are plenty of nutcases elsewhere too. 

 

You are again twisting unfortunately. I of course mentioned the anti-islamic propogand and its frequency. Why do u think world never woke up the terrorism of west?

 

Quote:

Sharia doesn´t say to kill those who blaspheme, are apostates, commit adultery, etc.?

Wow. That´s a new one on me. Why the stonings then? The death sentences? Fatwas?

 

You should first know what sharia is related to, 90% sharia depends on traditions and hadiths(their authenticity is questionable) not Kuran, so sharia differs from country to country, these are traditions hich had been made holy by their followers. In my opinion Islam promotes democracy by saying "there is no compulsion in Din".

 

Quote:

What makes you say it is my intention to piss people off?

 

I don´t think her story is an extreme example, I think it´s pretty typical. Maybe not in Turkey, but in Somalia where she was born or other Islamic countries. I don´t think you can deny that many thousands of women are going thru what she suffered (genital mutiliation, physical abuse, forced marriage, etc.).

 

You said “somebody may get pissed, big deal”, thats why i said like this. f its not your intention, then dont mind. Yes maybe in Somalia, its typical according to their traditions but when you relate to this Islam and attack Islam by not knowing its teachings then for sure people has right to get offended by this lies.

 

Quote:

Oh, I didn´t think that was the topic. I do protest the violence and the politics, regardless if it´s from the west or east. And I don´t deny that there is much to be angry about when it comes to the politics, especially that of the USA. Again, that was not the topic, hence I didn´t include that. 

 

Actually the topic was Ayaan Hirsi but you changed the topic, anyway you started this by asking why i think west create anti-islam propogand, and i explained it by emphasizing their politics so you just passed them. Means you agree i guess...

 

Quote:

You remind me of the communist propaganda when I lived in Poland. They also referred to the west as "evil, imperialist west" lol. Do you also get the news reels that USA is responsible for any agricultural crop issues? lol And gosh, when I moved to the USA, surprise, surprise, those "evil imperialists" were just normal people like everybody else. To tell you the truth, most people I know don´t even bother thinking about those issues, they just go about their daily lives worrying about paying the mortgage and feeding their children, contrary to how much anti-Islam you´d like to make them.

 

The thing you cant get, i only criticized their politics not the people. I have friends from west who are normal people. The difference is i dont turn blind eye on their terrorism.  Their hypocracy is very clear, we just witnessed this about Gaza, the silence of west and the declaration of politicians clearly explain this.  Same applies to east’s politicians.

 

Quote:

I don´t trust liars in general. In the case of AHA, the lies mentioned is something she writes about, I think it´s different than lying and not admitting to it. If I was a political asylum seeker and the only chance for me to get the asylum was to lie, I´d do the same thing. She´s open about it in her book. I don´t know if she´s trustworthy or not. But she´s not the only woman who suffered things she suffered. So I believe that.

 

The things she said she suffered, are mostly lies as i showed and she continue to lie after she got asylum. So it seems shes an all time liar



Edited (2/13/2009) by armegon



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

860.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 09:12 am

 

Quoting Melek74

An appropriate reaction when somebody is offending you is to offend them back, discuss the issue with them, or ignore it. It is not to murder that person. 

 

That young guy as i said was searching identity, he found himself into an extremist group, they brainwashed him, then he fooled himself that he did this in the name of Allah which is a way to satisfy his soul and ego and which is not Quaranic. Do you think he is a normal person?

 

Quoting Melek74 

I can understand the issues related to ignorance and lack of education. However, the terrorist attack on 9/11 was done by educated men who were not poor, and the London attack was done by British citizens, who also were neither poor nor ignorant. All of them had opportunities for a good, comfortable life. So I think the issue is much broader than poverty and ignorance. I do agree that lack of education is a huge problem though - especially when the extent of one´s education is being able to recite portions of the Quran (in the language they don´t even understand).

 

Yeah its not just related to poverty and ignorance, there are also many factors. Let me remind you also ignorance just not related to being educated in the first place. I used an expression there it seems you dont read carefully, i said they usually hire their minds. As for the attacks you mentioned they should be scrutinized very well, they have many aspects rather than religion, i thought religion is just used to cover up some other issue and to show a target. By the way how you come to conclusion that they were not ignorant. In addition you should a little bit think about how the life of muslims on Europe, how they seen by locals, then you can have wider view of the muslim´s life in Europe.

 

Quoting Melek74

What do you think we do in the west? Sell our children to the circus? Don´t take care of our families?

 

 

What a reply. I have to say this is an expression of pertness. If you want to hold on to discussion, you better refrain these.  How do you compare the situation of your country with the countries like Sudan, Somali, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and many others?

 

Quoting Melek74

How is it the invention of the west? I´m really buffled by it. Is it the west that makes people say "Allah Akbar" before they blow themselves up and take other people with them? I get it that you don´t think those people are true Muslims and your concept of Islam is different than theirs - and I´m glad there´s probably more people that think like you than like the radicals (insallah) - but that is not how they think or at least act (I really don´t know how they think, I´m not a bloody mind reader). As far as hate goes, well, let´s not start pointing fingers my friend .

 

Because west using them to describe Islam by putting all people in the same box. Thats my point. In addition have you ever heard of the term islamic-terrorism before the attacks you mentioned?  By the way a muslim means, one who wants and lives in peace so i support peace. Now you decide if they are muslims. And let me remind you a reality, according to west, muslims were always enemy to them, who they fought in crusades and later who they colonized in 1700’s.  And many muslims witnessed this hostility and today they see the wests double-faced politics and this increases the anger of muslims. The idea of seeing muslims as possible victims is just alien to the western mind, it was easier to see them as a burden or an enemy. As is clearly expressed today’s irrational Islamophobia. In addition i think you should also ponder on in the same way what make those westerners kill innocents in various parts of world and their legalized terrorism. You say we didnt condemn the violence of Islamic states and all we say “its not related to Islam”, of course we condemn that violence but whatelse you want us to say if its related to anything rather than Islam. Putting blame on Islam gathers no solution, just the hatred grows more.

 

Quoting Melek74

Look, I know there are good people among Muslims, among people of all races and religions, I´m not saying all Muslims are bad and all Christians are good. I´m anti-religion no matter what you like to call it - I hate what religions (all of them) do to people and I think they are the root of all evil. Not to say that some people don´t take the good out of their religions and live good lives. It is my conviction though that people are good despite religions, not because of it.

 

This is your opinion,i dont think the same, but i respect. It changes according to what you understand by the word “religion” actually i used this word as synonym of word “din” which is a wrong usage by my side. According to me din is way of God and means faith. Its not an political agenda or ideology. And hate is such a strong word, i only hate whoever hates me. But i agree with you in to some extent, if religion becomes the manifestation of people’s ego, which allows the claim “im better than you” then for sure its root of all evil. So in my opinion, the only problem is human-being. Let me clarify, in my opinion all evil/satan stems from human-being which is an affect of human consciousness, not a cause. 

 

Quoting Melek74

I guess I will have to take a look at the old threads sometime. I´ve been here since November I think, and my impression is quite different than what you´re describing. Maybe it all happened before November

 

 Yep it all happened before November and many of them locked ...

Quoting Melek74

I was saying I didn´t want to pick a fight, because that was not the intent of my previous post. Again, my experience and observation is, any time Islam is discussed, somebody escalates, gets offended, how dare you, bla bla bla. I didn´t want this to turn into another one of those threads that needs to get locked because of personal insults. I just wanted to make a point that it is admirable of AHA to speak out against evils done in the name of religions - agree with it or not - not many people do it (what anti-violence meetings were you referring to? Must have been secret ones). I recenlty posted a link about 2 Muslims being sentenced to death for translating Quoran. When laws of religion say it´s ok to kill people for something so trivial, and any jackass with some power can issue a fatwa to have random people killed (and there are people willing to do that!), you don´t think waht she did is something to admire?

 

In fact we had been many debates here. And in people’s mind its formed that this site is anti-islamic and anti-Turkish, so people began to question the intention and aim of the thread or post. Because of this many Turks and many members left the site, and because of this you cant see many Turks contributing to the site. And actually its not the laws of religion to say kill but the people who are using religion for their own good and for their satisfaction of their own ego.  And no i dont think she did something to admire, spreading hatred is nothing admirable i guess, put aside her hatred and lies, again she had chosen to be clown in political games.

 

Quoting Melek74

See for me it´s easy to criticize religions, there´s no consequences for it, sure, somebody may get pissed, big deal. I think she risked her life by telling her story. True or not, I don´t know. But admirable (or stupid lol).

 

You can criticize any religion by avoiding insults and by avoiding to humiliate people´s belief nothing wrong with it, i also do that. And my intention is not to piss anyone by doing this, i think this is one of our difference. Similar things i had said before, despite her lies, her story may be seen one of the extreme example of her culture.

Quoting Melek74

 Which assertions did you expect a reply to? I thought I did reply to your post.

 

I mean you didnt touch on the evil acts and politics of imperialist west which make many people mainly riots, you just passed their terrorism. They are the biggest terrorists if you want to see. Have you ever protested their bloody politics which make you live better? I have to say those are more bloody than the terrorists you mentioned. Why you ignore their terrorism? And lastly let me ask you a simple question, do you trust on liars?

 



Thread: please..is really important for me please pleasee

861.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 03:35 am

Ben bu iliþkiyi bitirmek istemiyorum...Kendim için baþkalarýný aramýyorum, ben sadece seni istiyorum...Bütün yaptýklarým seni sevdiðim içimdi, anlamýyorum bu kadar aydan sonra, nasýl facebook taki 4 cümleye bakarak iliþkiyi bitiriyorsun...Ben sadece neler olduðunu anlayabilmen için seninle konuþmak istiyorum...Eðer istemiyorsan, eðer benimle tekrar konuþmamaya karar verdiysen, seni anlarým...Ancak bilmeni istiyorum ki seni seviyorum...Herþeyi senin mutlu olabilmen için yaptým...Seninle çok güzel zaman geçirdim...sanýrým en iyisi...Bunu asla unutmayacaðým...Þu anda çok üzgünüm...Ama beni tekrar görmek istemezsen veya benimle tekrar konuþmak istemezsen, bunu anlayýþla karþýlarým...Hayatýnda sana en güzel þeyleri dilerim...Hermoso´mu seviyorum

Quoting aleja21

Quote:

Add quoted text here

I didnt want to end this relation ship .....I am not looking for other persons for me I just want you.. all the things I did was because I love I can not understand how you end a relationship with 4 sentences in facebook after all this months...I  just want to talk with you to know what happen ...if you dont want if you decide you dont want to talk me agin I will understand.. but I just want you to know i love you...I did everything because I wanted you to be happy ...I had a great time with you ..thw best I think...I will never forget this... I am very sad right know...but I will understan if you dont want to talk o to see me again.. I wish the best things for your life.. I love my hermoso

 

 



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

862.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Feb 2009 Fri 02:01 am

Firstly i stated that i reject to trust a liar and i tried to prove that shes a clear-cut liar. In fact i thought that effort is futile, because its clear as day.  Anyway thats your choice to believe into a liar. By the way i previously talked about that guy who murdered Theo van Gogh here.  You first need to know psychological situation of that guy for sure hes ignorant but i cannot put aside that van Gogh attacked Morrocans in Holland and kept offending them.

 

Actually you need to know how people living in Islamic societies. These societies are mostly poor, every young brains searching for identity and nobody clearly knows  their own religion, basically they dont read Quran, instead they hire their minds to their religious leaders and sheikhs or cult leaders and those use these young people to gain power and to secure their position. In fact even many of them dont know how to read.  So they can do anything with the order of their leader. Because the only thing they have are those religious leaders.  They pray for them instead of God which is completely shirk. Im the one here who badly criticized so-called leaders and thats why im always against religous states which exploits people’s belief.

 

In addition these people’s first aim is to look after their family, its their most important duty not like west countries. And in order to realize this they can make anything, so firstly they struggle with their family beforehand struggling with their middle-aged traditions or beforehand educating themselves  thats because i cannot completely condemn them.  People are ignorant, because mostly they have no possibility to educate themselves.  So its easy from here to condemn them.  Real muslim should be against any kind of violence applied to innocents. In Islam killing is strictly forbidden till believers are killed thus its self defence.

 

Anyway  i think you understand who real muslim is.  Because of this i said they are not muslims and im frustrurated with the hi-jacked name Islam, which is invention of west.  Today all countries see the ones as terrorists who kills innocents.  I criticize the west because its the western imperialists whos sucking their blood and exploit their country and making people hate eachother.  I have to remind you that many muslims protested the acts of Al-Qaida in meetings in various parts of the world.

 

As for the threads here, there had been many threads condemning the violence of Islamic states. And i also contibuted them and as far as i remember many other members who call themselves muslim criticized too. So its better for you to check the old threads here.  If the intention is constructive, i have no problem with them but when them turns into Islam blackening campaign then of course i have my right to criticize them.

 

Finally why you continously say that you are not trying to pick a fight with me? Im not boogeyman .  And im not defensive when Islam is discussed and criticized due to respect then for sure i contribute. By the way you havent replied any of my assertions, you just started a new discussion ...

Quoting Melek74

 

 

That´s exactly right, I only read her book and saw the movie she made with the Dutch director who was killed by a Mulism (moderate?) for making it. So I don´t know whether all the arguments you have against her are true or not. I´m basing my post on what I´ve read, and you´re entitled to your own opinion based on what you know. You may be right or you may be wrong, frankly, she´s not somebody I´m going to go to war over with you or anybody else.

 

Just because you choose to ignore the fact that there are people (which some call radical) that are using Islam to justify violent acts, it doesn´t mean that it´s not an issue. You may call them out of Islam, but that´s not what project themselves as.

 

How do I know real Muslims do not condemn violent acts? Well, I guess that depends on what you would define as a "real Muslim" to begin with. I would imagine normal, regular people would condemnt violent acts. But if they do, they surely do it quietly, at least quietly enough that the biased media don´t show it (funny though, I watch media from abroad, don´t even watch American tv all that much, but interestingly enough, it´s quiet there too about Muslims protesting violance by other Muslims against both Muslims and "infidels"). Also, there´s been a survey done, and I think it´s in one of Sam Harris´s book about what percentage of people approve suicide bombings "to defend Islam" and the numbers are terrifying. I know surveys are not always accurate, but still, if you even take the margin of error into consideration it´s still awful.

 

You don´t have to go far to see it too. You complain about the bias of the "western" members. During the massacre in Gaza how many "infidels" expressed their outrage? There´s been multiple threads/posts about it. Where are the threadss with the outrage against violent Muslims expressed by Muslims? All you can say is "It´s not Islam" and how dare you criticize and all west is racist, prejudiced, biased, etc.

 

Again, I´m not trying to pick a fight with you. It seems that you get real defensive when Islam is discussed. But as you can voice your perception of what´s going on in the world, so can I, and to me, Islam, as a religion, does not have a very friendly face right now. And no, I DON´T think every Muslim is a terrorist killer, if that´s going to be your next argument.

 

 



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Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

863.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 11:12 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

It´s really her life story so we´ll never know what is true or not. It is possible that her brother is trying to discredit her because of the "shame" she brought to the family by what she did. But we´ll never know for sure, it´s "he said, she said" situation.

 

So how that can be her real life story if well never know the truth as you said? Actually truth is very-well known, just google “Ayaan Hirsi Ali true story”, besides i never stand my opinion only his brother, that was just a small example. Its officially proved that shes liar by Dutch Government. So i reject to trust a liar, thats what a normal human do.

 

Quoting Melek74 

I didn´t know she was used by "Christian organization of American government ...in their anti-islamic propogand" and I live in the USA. How I found out about her is by reading books by other people who are critical of ALL religions (Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, etc), basically the book was recommended as a story of someone who breaks away from religion of origin. It would be interesting to find out if the extend of the "anti-Islamic propaganda" you refer to matches what your perception of it is, or whether your perception of it is influenced by anti-west propaganda to convince people that the west is anti-Islam. I don´t know and I´m not trying to start a fight with you here.

 

It seems you never listened to her, just read her book.  Her aim is just to attack and provoke not a solution, and she wants people think she is a victim of Islam which is absolutely wrong, this is very clear. She relates every bad thing to Islam and claims that it is in the Quran and tries to show Islamic states and the Quran in the same box which is some members here usually do. She has no Islamic knowledge even she confuses traditions with Islam. She has invited many times to conferences with muslims but she denied. She was confronted by moderate groups, but still she just attacked it. So this lady has a problem. She is a clear muslim hater and Islam hate is her income earning business. She even wasnt raised in an Islamic society, because the greater society in Kenya non-muslim. She just used her to get a free ticket to Europe. She flagrantly lied to her collegues in the parliament about her experiences in Africa and who knows else.

 

Quoting Melek74 

And maybe you can ask yourself, why there would be a need for any anti-Islamic propaganda to begin with. The radicals make the religion seem so horrid that no extra effort is required to be scared of it (fear breeds all kinds of negative emotions). And not many moderates are speaking against it. Maybe people need to see the positive aspects of Islam, and I dare say they are not very visible nowadays, all the Muslims get is bad rap, either as a result of the actions of fundamentalists or by misperception of what the "true Islam" is (if it indeed should be peacful, I´m non-religious, to me all religions are absurd).

 

It is clear for me why there is anti-islamic propogand because that satisfies the weapon traders who are imperialists and that supports their middle east-project which they planned after cold-war. So they are using religions both Islam, christianity or any religion, they have been feeding these fanatics as they needed another enemy after cold war period so they have chosen Islam. Actually there are neither radicals nor moderates in Islam, Islam is Islam, that ones are out of Islam in my opinion. I dont like the terms moderate and radical.

 

Quoting Melek74 

It seems to me that many Muslims prefer to complain about how people are perceiving them instead of looking into reasons why they are perceived as they are. Sometimes it´s the stupidity/ignorance of people who are prejudiced. Sometimes it´s just fear. And sometimes it´s just the actions of Muslims who hide behind religion to justify terror and human rights abuse. Not many people are speaking about that. AHA did and that´s what I admire her for, regardless whether or not her verision of events agrees with that of her brother.

 

Many muslims do not complain, they just voice what has been going on the world. And how do you know that real muslims do not condemn violent acts? If it is so that muslims condemn those, you are not able to see that ones because of your biased media. 

 

here is the youtube link for her real story:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ayan+Hirsi+True+story&search_type=&aq=f

 



Edited (2/12/2009) by armegon



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

864.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 08:23 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 As if a non-religious person can´t work for a religious orientated organisation, how narrow minded. I worked for years for catholic and christian ´with-the-bible´ schools (and these ARE strict) but my non-believing was never a problem, not for me, not for them.

 

  That has nothing to do with narrow-mindness. Its all about hypocracy and everybody knows that Christian organization of American government uses her in their anti-islamic propogand so that both sides are satisfied. She was also refuted many times about lies in her book, once her brother declared she never experienced war and hardship and he added her forced marriage was lie too, she accepted it herself so she could flee her family...



Thread: Saying since ... for ... (time)

865.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 08:02 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

 Si++ non sapevo che parlassi italiano

 

I completely agree that there are rather strange similarities between Italian, Latin and Turkish. The "da" and the "ne" forms are certainly strange. I don"t think these are coincidental. I wonder who the real Trojans that built the city of Rome were. Could the Trojans refer to Turkhans? I am not supporting the Sun Theory, but there are far too many similarities between Latin and Turkish in certain ways.

 

 

 

This reminded me a myth about Mehmed II, its said that Mehmed II once visited Çanakkale in 1462 after the conquest of Ýstanbul and said to Akþemseddin "Now we had avenged the Trojans by the conquest of Ýstanbul." There are also rumours that Troy comes from the words "Tur(which is a general name for Turanian people, of course its related to religion of GökTanrý)" and "Öy(which means home in ancient Turkish)". Anyway in my opinion young Paris for sure had a Turkish gene which attracted beautiful Helen lol



Thread: cok kýsa lütfen

866.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 05:41 pm

 

Quoting dulce azul

Permission to take one of your pictures and put it under my pictures...! Please say yes.

 

 Bir resmini çekip benim resimlerimin altýna koymaný istiyorum...! Lütfen evet de.



Thread: E - T short and simple please. Thanks!

867.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 05:40 pm

Önemsenmemek incitir ancak ben seni zorlamak istemiyorum.



Thread: from TRK to ENG lütfen lütfen :)

868.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 05:37 pm

 

Quoting ask80

 

- I am friend of your friend (NAME)       or...

- I am one of (NAME) ´s  friends.

 

 

-Ben ismi NAME olan arkadaþýnýn arkadaþýyým.

-Ben Name in arkadaþlarýndan biriyim.



Thread: dont distrub to girls pls.. .this site not good for find girls

869.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 04:05 am

 

Quoting ashely

yes im did reveal bcoz im want  everybody is know who is looking for wht.

 

this site not for find girls and play.

 

 Oh ashely, dont disturb "dudu"s please



Thread: Armenian Intellectuals Issue Apology For The Turkish Genocide

870.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 04:03 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Booooorrrriiiiiinnnnnggggg......

 

We are tired of topics related to this or that about the Amenian claims.....

 

Everything has already been posted discussed, argued over, and closed by moderators...

 

You are right, and he is right, and I am right, and it is this or that and the numers are blah blah blah or etc. This shit is old news dude. Stop charging it up as if it is of some importance in the world news. It is a political tool. Nothing else.

 

 

 Agreed



Thread: what caught my eye today

871.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 03:59 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Congratulations on your 1000th post Armegon.  You receive a Turkish Class pen, an "I love Aenigma" Tshirt, a mug and complimentary once in a lifetime day-pass into the Mod/Admin´s Washroom {#lang_emotions_alcoholics}

 

 Thank you for your kindness, and please dont forget to sign the Tshirt then i won take it in all my life



Thread: 8 Beheaded in India

872.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Feb 2009 Thu 03:57 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 In short: she changed from socialistic (which here is according to the us very very left wing) to liberal (here very right wing) within 4 years. Her statements changed 180 degrees. So not really trustworthy.

 

 , She only wants status so she can tell any lie for this, actually all her life is based on lie(Hayatý yalan ). Shes very hypocrite, she describes herself atheist, but as far as i remember she is/was working for right-winged Christian thinktank of American government...



Thread: What are you listening now?

873.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Feb 2009 Wed 01:59 am

Benim gözüm sende



Thread: what caught my eye today

874.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Feb 2009 Wed 12:59 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 What do you mean by ´them´ ? Who are ´them´?

 

 you, me and other insects



Thread: what caught my eye today

875.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Feb 2009 Wed 12:58 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Thank you for your concern, but I have no speech impediment taht I´m aware of so I´m not "sprinkling salivas"

 

lol I may say it a million times that I don´t perceive all Muslims as terrorists, and that I´m commenting on radicals only as they´re the ones that give Islam bad press - and you still blab cannot get it. I condemned Israel´s action as well but you use cheap rhetorics to portray me otherwise. Lovely. I apparently do not fit into your idea of biased European. Accept it, it is never black-and-white and people are free to comment on the greyness in the world. The fact that I consider psychos psychos and the fact that they call themselves warriors of Islam is enough to understand my comment. They send a message about how peaceful their religion is -> if you are a Muslim thinking differently then you definitely do your best to hide it.

 

argh I´m sure you still understand my post as "all Muslims are bad murderers" {#lang_emotions_head_bang} I can´t make you see that´s not the point so I don´t think I´ll be wasting my time on pointless debates...

 

The only one blabing here is you, and as i said this is not the first time of your blabbing, not only me perceived like this now and before.  Actually you are one of the best product of west´s Islam hating propogand like the soldiers in Iraq so fit into my idea very well. I dont try to hide anything i clearly say Islam is noones monopoly thus they dont represent Islam, nothing matters whatever they call themselves but you still equating these terrorists with Islam and you use your cheap rhetorics to portray me as we have posters of those terrorists. Its good way to show how you see muslims. It gives good clues about your personality. How a sick mentality portray people like this, where i defended those terrorists?  Also my illustration is just a respond to your mentality as i equated you with those Israelis.

 

Theres nothing wrong in my understanding, it is understood how it should be understood. Btw these pointless debates luckily always started by these provoking mentalities, so get over it...

 



Edited (2/11/2009) by armegon [spelling]



Thread: what caught my eye today

876.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Feb 2009 Tue 06:01 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Come on man..

After almost each suicide bombing from cihadists anywhere in the world, some muslims are dancing and distributing sweets on the streets..

 

thehandsom, þu buraya yazdýklarýnýn yenilecek yutulacak savunulacak yaný yok özellikle de son mesajýnýn sen de hala onu savunacaðým diye çýrpýnýyorsun, þaþýyorum vallahi...



Thread: what caught my eye today

877.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Feb 2009 Tue 05:31 pm

DD, stop talking nonsense and stop performing histrionics, your silly comments as usual started this discussion. Firstly you should hear what you are saying while you are sprinkling salivas from your mouth. Actually you are the one here worthless to debate, your hatred made you stony hearted and disrespectful. Nobody defended killers, but from the comments you made here, it is clearly understood that you see all muslims as terrorists, and its not the first time. I began to think you are like those Israelis who were clapping hands and nipping their champagnes while F16s were bombing childs or when people were being killed in various parts of world that serves to your pleasure. So the ones to be glad here are those who dont share your sick mentality...



Thread: what caught my eye today

878.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Feb 2009 Tue 12:26 am

 

Quoting libralady

What caught my eye!  Is that the name of this thread or is it now devoted to discussion about the merits of the Taliban??  I hope not!{#lang_emotions_get_you}

 

 Sorry ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

879.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 11:49 pm

 

 

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

meaning that those mental morons show what they stand for - they call themselves Muslims so that´s the message they send. You read it "All the Muslims are mental killers" I didn´t write anything like that, but you´re free to grow your bias as you please. And yes, the fact that they stand against other Muslims who do not believe it´s Allah´s will to kill people around, speaks for itself. 

Do you really know Islam is the religion of 2 billion people not the monopoly of taliban? Its how people understood when you identified taliban with Islam, not only me but also CANLI and other members understood like this, so i guess nothing wrong with me

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

If we further apply your perversed logic, then your argument about "Muslim" (in your understanding) countries not invading "Christian" countries is proven wrong - look at Christian Serbia losing it´s oldest part to "Muslim" Albania.

I dont remember Muslim Albania(btw Albania is not mainly muslim) killing Christian Serbia´s citizens, on the other hand i remember Christian Serbia massacring Muslim Bosnians...

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Talibans on the other hand kill both "infidels" and those whom they do not consider Muslim enough for religious reasons - no, not exclusively, of course there are other factors as well but their religious fanatism is something that makes them not only shepards with guns.

 

 

 

Taliban calling everyone infidel who dont think exactly like them. But Iraqi civlians were killed because they were seen as muslim terrorists that shows US brainwashed people clearly...



Thread: what caught my eye today

880.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 10:40 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 They are fighting for what they believe.. 


 

Everybody fights for what they believe thehandsom, dont try to cover the hypocracy of DD...

And you need to learn Islam for sure{#lang_emotions_razz}...



Thread: what caught my eye today

881.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 10:32 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

What you missed out is the fact that I did not put all Muslims in one bag, au contraire - I commented on how radicals make the world perceive Islam. If you find that comment racist, fine by me, I´m not ashamed to call anybody who murders people hostile. If you consider Talibans peaceful farmers then perhaps you should read more about them.

 

Im not missing anything. I just showed your hypocracy. Thats not about how they make the world perceive Islam, thats about how western media want to perceive Islam and my post is about how you perceive Islam. And of course taliban is helping them as well as US helping talibans. Islam is nobody’s monopoly. Nobody here approves what taliban has been doing by a difference that people like you try to show them as they are the real representatives of Islam and provoking people. Thats what make people to hate eachother. And you are one of the clear example of this provocateurs.

Quoting Daydreamer

It´s not close to truth to say that the US is a Christian country on religious crusade in Iraq, don´t omit to see the difference - all Talibs are Muslim, not all Americans are Christian. The US does not have an alias "The Christian States of America" while Taliban regime was also known as "Islamic Emirate of Aghanistan" (quoting after Wikipedia). Also do I have to elaborate on how Muslims are free to practise their religion anywhere in what you call Christian countries but Talibans were not fans of religious freedom? Still seeing Talibans as having nothing to do with religion in contrast to the US? Then how about the US law standing in opposition to Christian rules? Abortion etc?

 

You yourself call them as christian countries and still asking me why do i call them christians? Let me explain because citizens of those countries are mainly christians, its not important if they follow christianity or not and who said Talibans are real muslims except themselves and western media? By the way what this has to do with the freedom of religion? We are talking about terrorists(both US and taliban). Turkey is also secular country, and population mostly muslims. Now think about if Turkey to invade and kill christians in a country whose population is mostly christian, then what will people say? For sure theyll say muslim Turks killing christians. In addition taliban is not on all power in Afghanistan, they are also killing Afghan soldiers who call themselves muslims as well. So where do we put this?

Quoting Daydreamer 

True about Talibans wanting power - but it is power to introduce religious dictatorship. The US, however unlawfully and revolting actions they took invading Iraq, do not want to introduce poor pagans to Christianity by means of decapitation. It is about power and dominance from both sides for sure, but whilst Talibans are about religion, the US is not.

 

So its political of course. Its not important if they use religion or not, both killing human-beings. By the way there is big difference between them, one of them invades countries, other is killing its own people to apply their perverted mentality, actually its their country. Recently i havent seen any Islamic state invading a chrisitian country, on the other hand we witness the contrariwise.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

As for me seeing all Muslims the same as Talibans - that´s not true and I wrote it quite clearly, sorry if you werent able to interpret my words although they were quite straightforward. I´m not going to prove that I´m not a camel to you. 

 

What you write is clear, let me remind “Peace loving talibans sent another message about how peaceful Islam is”. So what people understand from this provoking comment? Of course the one i understood, after then you twisted changes nothing. This actually shows your sincerety.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I have no idea where Islamic radicals were - I just commented that if we compare religious radicals these days, Islamic ones are way more violent.

Actually i think irreligous states like US are far more violent than those radicals and thats the one who made them radicals ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

882.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 07:29 pm

 First, i decided not to respond to these posts, but i cant stand hypocracy really...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

This is a fair comment...

 

What a fair comment!!That post was racist for sure, trying to show all muslims as taliban terrorists. I dont know why its still there and what its aim rather than provoking.

Quoting thehandsom

 

Of course it has everything got to do with islam!!

What makes people think it has not?

what makes people think their version of islam is more true than taliban´s?

Taliban thinks they are at war and this is ´jihad´ for them and they are following the rules of Islam in purest form..

 

If talibans are following the rules of Islam, the what others doing? Did Islam begin to differ after 2001? Then all states whose citizens follow Islam throughout the history, were all terrorist sates. What an expression "taliban thinks they are at war and this is jihad..." like "US thinks they are at war with Islamic states and this is crusade for them and they are following the rules of judeo-christianity in purest form." The thing you and DD cannot perceive, all of this are mainly political.

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

It was political and it has much to do with oil and money!!

 

 , if theirs were political just about money, then what taliban doing is also political because they dont want foreign soldiers  in Afghanistan and they want the country to be ruled with their perverted mentality, simply they want power & government which is political too, just they use religion to collect fans like west using anti-Islam propogand to collect fans.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

as usual you´re unable to see things from a perspective.

Your perspective is excellent, labelling everyone who follows Islam as taliban terrorists. What a perspective of hatres this is!!

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

If it was a real crusade then the US and EU armies would hold a flag with the sign of cross, would allow only Christians among them and would destroy mosques to build churches there.

 

So what? I can say the same thing by the side of muslims. If all muslims like taliban, for sure they have now 2 billion of fans and millions of soldiers but not.  And as i said before if you blame Islam the whole religion, so dont surprised that when somebody blamed the whole west politics who are mainly christian states.

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

 

My comment was meant to be sarcastic

 Your comment was racist and provoking simply...

 

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 The point of my comment was to draw attention to how a bunch of mental goat-shaggers can give bad press to Islam.

 

 

Oh yeah, bad twisting for sure, you first put all muslims in the same bag with taliban then you restricted this to only a bunch of mental goat-shaggers. And you expect us to swallow this hypocracy, so then im right, your post proved racist and provoking rather than sarcastic.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 The difference however (in my opinion) is that whilst Christianity stopped its violent aera and nowadays you´re likely to see the raidicals protest with parades and transparents, Islamic radicals still kidnap, murder and are proud of this.

 

Ohh really? We saw the invaders in Iraq who killed millions of people, they were very good at bombing mosques, raping women, torturing people and it seems they were very proud of this. So you can say they are not christians ok then im saying Taliban has nothing to do with Islam. Hmmm maybe those invaders then irreligious like you as you dont want them to be related with christianity, they killed lots of muslims, then you can be proud of them.  They cleared those religous muslim insects, didnt they? You should be happy.

Quoting Daydreamer

 Again, I´m not saying that Christianity is great - I´m not a believer, but it´s definitely less cruel in its radical form nowadays than Islam. Islamic radicals are like Christians in the Middle Ages

 

What a generosity!! Then there were no radicals using Islam in middle ages or before 2001. Hmmm i wonder where were those radicals? Maybe they fell into world after 2001.



Thread: please help

883.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 04:06 pm

I understand you because nowadays many people consider materialistic more important than spiritual things. And we become lonely because of this. Earning easy money is attaractive for them and they ignore the spiritual  things. But i believe in the worth of labor. The money earned without labor or the acts done without labor are worhless in my opinion.

 

my attempt

Quoting dulce azul

seni anlýyorum çünkü bu zamanda manevi deðerlerden önce maddi deðerlere önem veriyor büyük bir kýsým. ve yalnýzlaþýyoruz bu yüzden. kolay para kazanmak kimine cazip geliyor ve manevi deðerler gözden çýkarýlýyor.ama ben emeðin deðerine inanýyorum. emeksiz olan hiç bir iþ veya emeksiz kazanýlan hiç bir paranýn deðeri yok benim için.

 

 

 



Thread: i wanna know

884.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 03:38 pm

"Yýlmaz Bektaþ

bir filipinliye "türk" olduðunuzu hatta sadece türkiye´den geldiðinizi söylemenizle direkt olarak tanýþtýðýnýz þahýstýr. baþka ülkedeki insanlar nasýl ola ki türkiye dediðinizde "istanbul, ankara!" þeklinde sýrýtarak karþýlýk verirse bunlar direkt olarak bu adamý bilirler. hatta istanbul´u bilmez bunu bilirler!

-i´m turkish
+yýlmaz bektaþ!!!!

-oha-
"

 

{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

Btw exactly the same thing i experienced

 

 



Thread: what caught my eye today

885.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Feb 2009 Mon 04:49 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Polish engineer beheaded in Pakistan. Peace loving Talibans sent another message about how peaceful Islam is

 

 I have to say this comment is racist too, what this has to do with Islam?



Edited (2/9/2009) by armegon



Thread: The Most touching turkish song you've ever heard is...?

886.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Feb 2009 Sun 11:46 pm

Kavak yelleri-Nilüfer



Thread: turk, eng luften

887.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Feb 2009 Sun 08:12 pm

Things i had done and forgot, go beyond your imaginations.



Thread: small translation pls

888.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Feb 2009 Sun 05:31 pm

Görüyorsun aile ve destek yeterli deðil, görüyorsun sadece bir süre için sana ihtiyacým var, gerçekten gülüþünü özlüyorum.



Thread: Armenian Intellectuals Issue Apology For The Turkish Genocide

889.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Feb 2009 Sun 01:24 am

I think its better to have knowledge about this reciprocal useless apology campaigns beforehand having opinions. Let me remind Armenians campaign will be started by an Australian Armenian, so i think it is important to know why he started such a campaign and what he aims by this. It is not surprising that Zaman hadnt mentioned this, because imo Zaman´s aim to just deceive people by saying "Armenians are apologizing too" so that AKP will continue its slave politics more freely. Lets look what this Australian Armenian says; first he clearly says he was afftected by the campaign started by so-called Turkish intellectuels and he was still thinking that Turks were apologizing for the alleged genocide, and its funny how he degraded the Armenian attacks in WW1, he says "Of course these crimes cannot be compared with the crime of annihilating a whole nation, but these are still crimes.". He mentions Turks sooner or later will accept this genocide. I have to say that this man not living in Armenia and may be the most moderate one but he is still insisting that turks genocided Armenians which is clearly not acceptable for Turkey.

 

Now lets see the big picture, everybody knows world having an economic crisis recentlyi and for sure Armenia´s economy is not good and they want Turkey to open Turkey-Armenia border. So lately Armenia tries to develop a relationship with Turkey by not losing anything and i guess AKP accepted their demands. But AKP needs to explain this to Turkish nation and these campaigns help AKP to direct their slavery politics. I think again a theatre is being performed and aim is as i mentioned to open Turkey-Armenia border in order to save Armenia and the cover of explaining this to Turkey is "Look, Armenians are also apologizing!". And its groundwork is being prepared by both Turkish and Armenian authorities. Armenia will reach its aim and again Turkey gains nothing, very usual for AKP politics.

 

By the way if Armenians are so sincere, why do they not retreat from Karabagh according to UN decisions? then for sure Turkey will open the border gates.

 

Lastly why none of these intellectuels point out the games of imperialists during WW1 which made this two nation bloody enemy? Anyway by my side one of the best thing had done by the state of Ottoman, deportation is one of the solution while they were active in WW1 and being killed inside by Armenians except there were some problems in the implementation of deportation.



Edited (2/8/2009) by armegon



Thread: Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians

890.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 05:04 am

Lately i have heard that Druzes also claimed Ottomans genocided 1 million of them and sent a letter to Obama, requested from him to put pressure on Turkey to accept this and apologize from them{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}.  So whats next? Zulus?Aborijins? Siouxs? . On the other hand historians declared that population of Druzes never reached 1 million throughout the history .

 

This situation reminded me a movie character who mentally pressured continously and at last he lost his mental condition, his friends asking him if he burned the Rome, or if he killed JFK, he was always answering them "Yes i did"... Anyway where are those "prominent" intellectuels? Druzes are on queue, but a bad news for them Druzes arent so rich lol



Thread: Im confused about CHP

891.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Feb 2009 Thu 04:41 pm

On the other hand AKP major candidates visiting pubs, bars even brothels i have to say... So here is Turkey simply  



Thread: Is youtube still banned in Turkey?

892.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 09:59 pm

Im in Turkia now, and i have no problem with watching youtube...



Thread: what caught my eye today

893.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 09:39 pm

What a match i watched; Fenerbahçe beaten Lotos Pko Bp Gdynia in OT {#lang_emotions_alcoholics}

 

FENERBAHCE WIN CLASSIC AGAINST LOTOS PKO BP

 

Fenerbahce edged Lotos PKO BP Gdynia in overtime on Wednesday to advance to the Quarter-Finals of the EuroLeague Women play-offs.

Esmeral Tuncluer´s three-pointer for Fener with 15 seconds remaining knotted the Eighth-Finals Game 3 decider at 63-63 and then the home side made six free throws in the final 25 seconds of the extra period to win 79-76.

Even then, the outstanding USA international Tamika Catchings almost sent the game to a second overtime but her attempt from three-point land at the buzzer stayed out.

The finish completed a remarkable tie with all three contests going to the wire.

Catchings, arguably the USA´s most valuable player at last summer´s Olympics when they captured a gold medal, had 26 points, eight rebounds and four steals.

Canada international Tammy Sutton-Brown, a teammate of Catchings with the WNBA´s Indiana Fever, had a game-high 28 points - 18 in the first half - and 11 rebounds for Fener while Turkey international Nevriye Yilmaz was immense yet again for the club with 17 points and 11 boards.

Fenerbahce dominated the boards, out-rebounding the Polish giants 40-26 but Lotos stayed in their game with their excellent three-point shooting. At one stage, they were nine of 20 before finishing nine of 22 (40.9%).

Alana Beard scored 22 points - 12 in the first half - in defeat.

Lotos PKO BP landed some telling blows in the second quarter and opened up their biggest lead at 32-21 after Catchings buried one of her five three-balls to take her points haul to 14.

Sutton-Brown reeled off the next six points of the game to stop the bleeding for Fenerbahce and the home side ended up going to half-time trailing 39-34.

Early in the second half, Fenerbahce tied the game at 44-44 after baskets from Nalan Ramazanoglu, Nevin Nevlin and Yilmaz.

The contest then remained tight until the end of regulation and all the way through overtime.

Yilmaz scored two straight baskets - a lay-up and a jumper midway through the overtime - for a 69-65 lead and Fener stayed in front the rest of the way although they had to make their free throws to stay in front.
__________________________________________________________________
p.s: One bad news; CSKA lost to Halcon Avenida after 2 overtimes and this means Fenerbahce will play UMMC Ekaterinburg on Quarter Finals where now Fenerbahce´s ex-player Cappie Pondexter plays means Fenerbahce has no chance for Final Four


Edited (2/4/2009) by armegon [Adding info]
Edited (2/4/2009) by armegon



Thread: trk 2 engl please :) thank you.

894.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 07:13 pm

"kendini beðenmiþ" generally means arrogant but i think here megalomaniacs more fits the sentence...



Thread: What are you listening now?

895.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 07:02 pm

yaba yaba leh 



Thread: ya & yani

896.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 05:24 pm

 

Quoting hadar

 

 

 

shukran!

teþekkürler!

toda!

thanks!

^^

 

Affan!

bi þey deðil!

welcome!



Thread: what caught my eye today

897.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 05:04 pm

Hillary thanks Bill for "All kinds of experiences"  {#lang_emotions_smile}



Thread: ya & yani

898.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 04:40 pm

 

Quoting hadar

OH canlý ýf Yalla ýs "come", what about Taal?

 

 Yalla means "come on" and "Taal" means "come here" as far as i know {#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: ya & yani

899.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 04:30 pm

 

Quoting hadar

and "ahusharmouta" we use to say something like "soooooo",  like: "this girl is beautiful ahusharmouta!" (this girl is sooooo beautiful)

 

 

 And it hasnt a nice meaning in Arabic for sure lol



Thread: Jesus Camp - How Radical Christians Are Raised

900.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 04:28 pm

Once i adviced thehandsom to visit there {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}



Thread: Trivia: what´s your reaction speed?

901.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 04:23 pm

I made 189{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}

 

And here is a another game for TLC. Kick the ball to the nearest, i kicked 36 meters {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

http://www.totebo.com/monkey-kick-off.php



Thread: what caught my eye today

902.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Feb 2009 Wed 04:17 pm

Leman´dan Erdoðan´a ilginç teklif

Baþbakan Tayyip Erdoðan, kendisini eleþtiren bir kapaðý nedeniyle dava açtýðý Leman Dergisi´nden 6 bin TL tazminat kazandý. Parayý Baþbakan´Ã½n hesabýna yatýrdýðýný duyuran dergi, Çetin Altan´a ödül verirken yaptýðý konuþmayý da hatýrlatarak ilginç bir teklifte bulundu. Ýþte Leman´Ã½n Erdoðan´a tazminat cevabý:
.................................................................................

 

 

Sayýn Baþbakan

Bizim kapaðýmýza açtýðýnýz davadaki mahkumiyet kararýmýzý Yargýtay da onayladý. Cezamýz olan 6 bin lirayý size yatýrdýk. Kaldý ki siz 25 bin lira istemiþtiniz. Bize ve karikatürcü arkadaþlara açtýðýnýz davalar hoþgörü ve tahammül sýnýrlarýnýz hakkýnda büyük bir þüphe, tartýþma yarattý. Bu tavrýnýz Amerika Ýnsan Haklarý raporuna bile girdi. Dünya medyalarýnda þaþkýnlýkla karþýlandý. Bu konuda kendinizi sorgulayýnýz. Biz LeMan olarak Çetin Altan gibi þimdiye kadar 300’den fazla davadan yargýlandýk. Size ödediðimiz gibi hesabýný tutamayacaðýmýz para cezalarý ödedik. Hapislerde yattýk. Kaçak durumlarýna düþtük. Biz bu yolun yolcusuyuz. Ancak sizin artýk bu izlediðiniz yolun yolcusu olmamanýz sizin için ama daha önemlisi ülkemiz için daha hayýrlý olacaktýr. Çünkü sizden önceki sað iktidar sahipleri gibi ülkesinin yazar çizerlerini davalarla boðuþmaya, onlarý sindirmeye çalýþmak ülkemizin adýný lekelemekte, yazar çizerlerin ise onurunu parlatmaktadýr.

Son olarak; Davos’taki tavrýnýzýn devamý olarak bizden kazandýðýnýz parayý Filistinli çocuklara baðýþlamanýzý öneriyoruz. Bu bizim içimizi ferahlatacaktýr.

 

Kaynak

 

{#lang_emotions_bigsmile} lol



Thread: Erdogan at Davos

903.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Feb 2009 Tue 05:43 pm

Dont reveal my sources´ secrecy, you faulty{#lang_emotions_get_you}.

 

By the way, i have already watched on tv; Baykal the copycat had stolen my opinions, said exactly the same things in meeting i wrote here lol.

 

p.s: I need to work on my English {#lang_emotions_rolleyes}

 

Quoting femmeous

 oh no. we know what it is ,

you post your opinion. and when we praise and frame it, you will say: no, its not actually my opinion i just copied it from real analysts lol

get off, you copycat! {#lang_emotions_get_you}

 

 

 

 



Thread: Erdogan at Davos

904.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Feb 2009 Tue 03:26 pm

My analysis is far more better than those sneaky writers, i only do not use any flowery language. Yeah the only problem in his attitude to criticize, is his emotions and political language he used {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}.



Thread: translate please :)

905.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Feb 2009 Tue 12:33 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Now he/she understands that false smiles, false kisses, false love, false tears, and also cheap words.

 

(Might translate better as: ´Now he/she understands that smiles are false, kisses are false, love is false, tears are false and also words are cheap´

 

My attempt.

 

 Now it is understood that...



Thread: turk to eng - it´s quite long -- thanks to anyone who can help

906.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Feb 2009 Tue 12:15 am

 

Quoting angel_of_death

oops, sorry armegon you were faster than me=)

 

 No problem, it seems yours is better than mine{#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: turk to eng - it´s quite long -- thanks to anyone who can help

907.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Feb 2009 Tue 12:05 am

My love, i dont care whatever they say, the important thing is our love, i love you very much. I missed you so much. Even i havent got an email account, im not good at computer. Still im confused, im thinking about who had done this. Have you given your e-mail anybody rather than me? he/she may be one of my employee. I have to dismiss all my personel because we have nothing to do for 5 months so i cant pay their salary. I kiss you 1000 times my darling.

Quoting Suzie

Askin kim ne soylerse soylesin onemli olan bizim mutlumuz seni seviyorum ve cok. cok ozeldim. Benin imgmeyl numaram bileyok bilgisayarlan aram iyideyil. Halasaskinlik icindeyim kimin yaptini dusunuyorum. Sen kendi imeylini benden baskasina verdinmi benim isyerlerinde calisanlarda olabilir cunku belekteki butum personeli isten cikarmak zorunda kaldom 5. Ay boyunca isyerimiz yok mas odiyemezdim. optum 1000. kez canim sevgilim

 

 



Thread: Eng to Tur please.....help needed.

908.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Feb 2009 Mon 11:27 pm

 

Quoting enginsbalim

I hope you like your present.

 

 

 "Umarým hediyeni seversin/beðenirsin" i think like this more understandable...



Edited (2/2/2009) by armegon



Thread: where can i watch turkish movie

909.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Feb 2009 Mon 11:01 pm

 

Quoting etimologist

 

 

 google da film izle yaz bissuru yer bulursun

bu arada sen yaþýyormusun Abdulguhur

hic mesaj yollamadin

 

  etimo aradan sekiz ay geçmiþ muhtemelen yaþýyordur ama artýk burayý ziyaret etmiyordur lol



Thread: Fact or virgin: Lies undone

910.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Feb 2009 Mon 07:28 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 sorry armegon, really sorry

you lost your golden frame.

 

 

 

 

 why?  dont all of us learn throughout our lives? 



Thread: Fact or virgin: Lies undone

911.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Feb 2009 Mon 07:18 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 eh you disappointed me i thought this was your original opinion. if this is not from you it doesnt deserve a golden frame.

 

 

 

 

i havent said that it wasnt my opinion{#lang_emotions_wink}. Maybe i should have chosen the verb "learn" instead of "copy"{#lang_emotions_razz}



Thread: What are you listening now?

912.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Feb 2009 Mon 12:13 am

Günün birinde



Thread: Fact or virgin: Lies undone

913.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 08:28 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 this one should also be printed out and hang on a wall in a golden frame.

 

Hehe, thanks... I copied those from real-femminists . And i agree with you that post deserve golden frame so that some big mouths can read carefully{#lang_emotions_wink}.



Thread: Fact or virgin: Lies undone

914.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 07:42 pm

I think virginity has nothing to do with being chaste. But imo chastity is an issue shouldnt be ignored easily. Firstly i curse the hypocracy of societies that only women are being pressured to preserve chastity whereas imo this both applies to men and women. The only way a society get rid of this hypocracy, is education, using mind especialy for men and getting rid of traditional bigotry. Lastly i think men and women should have equal rights and men and women have different and supplementary roles at all levels, none of them better...



Thread: english to turkish

915.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 04:09 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Þu günü da bekliyorum. Az kaldý.

 

Please wait for corrections.

 

 O günü de bekliyorum.



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

916.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 03:53 am

 

Quoting Melek74

 

What I resent is implying that this is expected because America is the Messiah of Israel.

 

No need to resent, thats not my made-up, thats the invention of the ones who are directing US by money and the ones who aim to achieve their sionist ambitions by shedding more and more blood. Btw i think its not a good idea to compare Turkia with America about the issue of supporting Israel politics.



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

917.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 02:52 am

 

Quoting Melek74

Quoting armegon

Weird, same thing i emphasized here many times, "look at your country first then start with Turkia". But the point is, America is the main country that interferes with the internal affairs of other countries like a world police with its double-faced warmongering politics. So you can continue to be sick because every objective people continue to voice these too. 

Your statement was far from objective first of all. Second of all, if America if the Messiah of Israel, then what is Turkey? Turkey has been one of the major supporters of Israel and they´ve had a close military relationship. Turkey has been conducting joint military exercises with Israel and has allowed Israel to use its air space to train. So don´t give me that America is to blame with its politics. Turkey is just as guilty. My bf is in the THK and I could tell you exactly how many times Turkey and Israel had joint military exercises in the past year and also how long before the Gaza offensive Turkey knew that it would happen and did nothing to stop it. So don´t give me that bullshit about America being the Messiah and Turkey is not double-faced, because one show in Davos is not going to cover up the hypocrisy. 

 

That was just an attribute to jews so-called lost messiah, some neo-cons who are mainly jews mentioned this as a simile, and i agree with this, anything wrong? As for the politics of Turkia, i recommend you to read my post in the thread "Erdogan at Davos", i harshly criticized RTE´s hypocracy. So kindly dont try to give me lessons about objectivity...



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

918.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 01:49 am

 

Quoting CANLI

Ýf you are talking about a thousands of years ago, then this land was ours...!{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 That land was belong to Canaanites and then ancient palestinians a few thousand years ago , at that time jews were the slaves of ancient masri(kemetic) people...



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

919.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Feb 2009 Sun 01:32 am

 

Quoting Melek74

No, I´m not satisfied, I´m sick and tired of America being the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in this world. If it gives you a hard on to say "America is this ... America is that ... messiah .. satan..bla bla bla", then good for you, but maybe you should look at your own country first before you start pointing fingers.

 

Weird, same thing i emphasized here many times, "look at your country first then start with Turkia". But the point is, America is the main country that interferes with the internal affairs of other countries like a world police with its double-faced warmongering politics. So you can continue to be sick because every objective people continue to voice these too...



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

920.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 07:30 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Oh really? Says who? You? Or does that come from some anti-American Muslim propaganda that you´ve heard?

 

 Oh yes, that comes from the actions and politics of America {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}. are u satisfied?



Thread: Pro-Israeli Rally in America

921.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 03:14 pm

America is the so-called messiah of Israel...



Thread: Necip Fazýl’ýn Eserlerinin Yabancý Dillere Çevrilmesi

922.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 03:07 pm

 

Quoting simelanj

Do you speak Turkish? {#lang_emotions_mobile_phone}

 

 Just a little bit lol



Thread: Turkish PM storms off in Gaza row

923.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 03:06 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Well ! Nobody touches or nudges a Turkish Priminister, while the PM is formally speaking.

That was exactly what that clown of a moderator did; Stuff it, if you think that was Western diplomacy.

 

 Yeah, and it is not surprising that clown is an Armenian lobbyist{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}



Thread: Necip Fazýl’ýn Eserlerinin Yabancý Dillere Çevrilmesi

924.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 03:29 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

I would recommend you ask user armegon personally lol

 

Awww thanks but im not good at translating poems or books with phylosophic thoughts, you are better than me in translating songs{#lang_emotions_razz}.

 

btw Lady Metal, you confused Necip Fazýl and Orhan Pamuk´s fictional Necip & Fazýl, possibly because of Orhan Pamuk´s excellent use of Turkish affected the translator lol

 

 



Thread: Erdogan at Davos

925.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Jan 2009 Sat 03:21 am

I have to confess i liked his attitude especially when he said to Peres "you know very well how to kill people" while he was looking at into Peres´s eyes. But then i remembered our PM´s hypocracy which made me dubious about his attitude. I know he wasnt sincere looking at his past. I wonder where he was while people were being killed in Iraq or while our citizens were being killed by terrorists. Btw AKP just rejected the proposal of comdemning Israel in parliament. Only this one is enough about his sincerety. Lets see if he is able to cancel military agreements with Israel. As far as i know Israeli pilots who were bombing Gaza are being trained in Turkey/Konya.

 

Then his reaction to Peres comes while Turkey is on the eve of elections which was a good show to impress sheeps and it seems its working. Another aspect of this reaction, he also tried to affect Arabs, maybe he wants to be the new slave khalif. With his idiomatic expression "bir taþla beþ kuþ" ...

 

So people wants to see some actions then a show of rowdiness maybe ...



Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

926.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Jan 2009 Fri 05:20 am

 

 

Quoting si++

I was only pointing out that we have nothing in common between us with him. If you take it as a racism so be it. I don´t mind.

 

 I agree with this{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting thehandsom

Because it also proves that you HAVE BEEN LIED again..

  actually you are the best example of how one can be brainwashed with lies. hehe, what a statement "i dont belive the state version events", instead you can clearly say "i dont believe in Turks, or i believe in Turks who suits my interests or i believe in history written by imperialists who came to occupy Turkey" will be more realistic.

 

Btw thehandsom you like it or not one of the basis of Turkish Republic is Atatürk nationalism. Atatürk himself was a nationalist too. This country kicked out of imperialist occupiers by becoming a nation, by getting rid of the ummah model, uniting all ethnicities under one nation with all same rights. Get over it firstly.

 

You can be a Turk by race but remember during the war of independence we have too many Damat Ferids, Ali Kemals who are Turks by race, as well as now. I think si++ tried to emphasize this(thats my impression, si++ can correct). Dont twist the issue by saying "if i was an Armenian, i would never deny it". I also called you Kurdish racist and i agree with the conclusion of si++, you sound like Armeniand/Kurdish racist here, that has nothing to the with your race or nationality , but i dont hope, you got it, and you will continue your Turkey hating propogand to provoke.

 

Finally like your statement, if being Turk is like you, who believes in imperialists lie, who hates everything about Turkey and Turks, who always tries to provoke, who tries to twist the history, who calls every Turk or the ones who think different than your imperialist flatterer mentality, racist then there is something wrong about Turks, they can welcome the ones who come to occupy their lands or they are not Turks.

 



Thread: Turkish history

927.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jan 2009 Wed 11:35 pm

"It was one of the visit of Atatürk to Mersin, then he asked to folks while he was pointing out the big buildings:

"Whose villa is this?"

"its Kirkor´s."

"What about this one?"

"its Yargo´s."

"What about this?"

"its Salomon´s."

After then Atatürk asked with a little anger:

"Where were you when that people making those riches?". Among the folk from behind a gazi responded:

"Where were we?Pascha, we were in Yemen, we were in bank of Danube, we were in Balkans on the mountains of Albania, we were in the Caucasus, Çanakkale and Sakarya."

Later when Atatürk reciting his memoirs, he confessed:

"That white-bearded old man was the only one , i couldnt be able to reply in all my life.""

 

I hope this memoir of Atatürk helps you to understand a little{#lang_emotions_wink}.

 



Thread: Clash of civilizations or It is just killing people?

928.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2009 Mon 01:28 pm

 

 

Quoting Merih

 I protest this post... 

 

 , and below is the funniest part {#lang_emotions_lol}

Quoting thehandsom

But I think, those countries made those laws had a good motive: they don´t want another genocide like the Jewish holocaust. 

 

 



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

929.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 11:24 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Yes, it is serious. If you have seen any pop-ups, you have to change your password.

 

havent seen yet but i will change, then this means he accessed to the admin account too...



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

930.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 11:13 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

EVERYBODY, please CHANGE YOUR PASSWORDS!

 

Is it serious?



Thread: what caught my eye today

931.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:51 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

DD was the one who opened the thread

But i didnt manage to open it,it was redirecting me to the forum page again !

Ý guess admin fixed some things around

 

Maybe he was playing some kind of game with the holes of BB code ...



Thread: what caught my eye today

932.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:42 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 but how did DD manage to post anything in that thread?

 

Dont you mean "i have this poem" thread? I havent seen DD´s post there{#lang_emotions_unsure}



Thread: what caught my eye today

933.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2009 Fri 10:29 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 i donno it comes back to our forum

 

Yep, interesting ,  possibly he should be using some security holes of php to redirect the page ...



Thread: English - Turkish please

934.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 03:48 pm

 

Quoting winnie01

Sorry it goes on a bit

 

XXX sorry i havent been in touch for a while my computer was broken, which makes it hard to translate even quick messages. Do you still have the same number i have tried to text a few times.

XXX üzgünüm, bir süredir temas kuramadým, bilgisayarým bozuldu, bu durum kýsa mesajlarý bile çevirmeyi zorlaþtýrdý. Hala sana birkaç kez mesaj atmaya çalýþtýðým ayný numarayý mý kullanýyorsun?

I miss you all so much, how is XXX? He must be growing up so quickly now, please give him a kiss from me everyday.

Hepinizi çok özledim, XXX nasýl? Þimdi çabuk büyüyor olmalý, lütfen onu her gün benim için öp.

I hope everyone else is in good health, i think about you all everyday and i miss XXX the same if not more than before.

Umarým herkesin saðlýðý iyidir, bütün gün seni düþünüyorum ve XX öncekinden daha çok özlüyorum.

I hope we can speak soon  now i am back online.

with love always

Umarým en kýsa zamanda konuþuruz, þimdi tekrar çevrimiçiyim.

Sevgilerimle

Thank you very much for reading and i hope you can assist

 

 



Thread: helppp!

935.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jan 2009 Thu 09:07 am

Nice music {#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

936.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 03:56 pm

 

 

Quoting Merih

In versus 20, she says "how can I have a son while no man has ever touched me?"... it shows that she was a virgin.. regarding the interpretation, sorry but no relation to what it says... 

 

It very related actually, she was not touched but this doesnt mean she wasnt going to be touched.  The virgin-birth interpretation accepted because of some myths since Quran negate the fallacy of this myth but this one is not related? IMO this one is more reasonable. Anyway everyone is to free to believe whatever they want. In addition what do you think about the similar verse given below?

 

3:40 Zechariah prayed to Allah, but then wondered, “My Lord! How could I have a son when old age has overtaken me already and my wife is barren?” He said, “So it will be, Allah does everything according to His Will

Quoting Merih

According to Quran, Prophet Jesus was elevated to heaven before he died... some believe God did not allow him to suffer at all...

 

Btw this is a myth too, commonly interpreted in the light of chritianity affected hadiths, firstly according to Quran it is clear that Jesus died but Quran mentions that Jesus was not the one that crucified. If it is the case Jesus exalted (elevating the heaven issue just interpretation too), same applies to Mohammed and Enoch as far as i remember, because same verb "rafha ahu" used for both of them in Quran. Can we say thay are also exalted before they died?



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

937.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 01:44 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 Surah Mariam, 19, 20, 21 ayat

 

Where it says clearly that she was virgin when she got pregnant in below verses?

 

19:19 He said, "I am only a Messenger of your Lord who says ‘I shall bestow upon you the gift of a son endowed with a spotless character.’”

19:20 She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!” (3:46, 19:28).

19:21 The angel answered, “Thus it is; but your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. (A symbol of belief and disbelief, with the grace of Revelation). And it is a thing decreed.” (3:46-47).

Actually we dont know the age when this is told, she could have been 15-20. She was growing up in a mostly celibacy temple, only some of them were chosen to keep the lineage continue. These marriages were kept secret, and thus unknown for Mary also. She grew up as a nun and expected to stay like this all her life. This is why she is told to bow down for Allah and His laws(3:43), as celibacy was never ordained by Allah(57:27).

Below is another interpretation according to Quran to those verses you mentioned:

Quote:

19:22-23 Mary is shown grieving, then talking to her husband. Although married, they made a violation of the normal sanctuary rules, as she became pregnant in the non-holy months, so she fled the temple for a while and labor pains all add to her grief which she is expressing. This is why her family acted so offended in 19:27, and said she had done wrong by breaking the custom as she was part of a Royal Family. This is why they remind her of her lineage. In 19:28 she is said to have done bagiyaa, which means to go beyond the bounds of custom. All royal couples were expected to only procreate in specific months, so that their offspring would be born in Jewish Holy months. Sex outside of these months were seen as a grave offence. In 19:25 we are told Jesus was born when the dates are ripe. In Palestine this means between late September and early October. This period falls outside of the Jewish Holy Months as found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls are writings of the Nazarene Temple where Mary lived and Jesus was part of. The Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden before the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, and were found in 1945. These Scrolls are untampered and did not go through a long chain of oral tradition or rewritings. So they give a complete and authentic report of the Nazerene customs and beliefs. Now a few more important concepts given in the Qur’an that strongly negate the fallacy of the “virgin birth” of Jesus: Allah does all things according to His Laws (3:40,19:9)

You will never find Allah’s Laws changing or deviating (

6:34, 6:116, 10:64, 17:77, 18:27, 33:38, 33:62, 35:43, 40:85, 48:23) The example of Jesus, as far as God is concerned, is the same as that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be!", and he was (3:59)

God won’t have an offspring since He never had a mate (

6:101). Verse 19:22 narrates of Mary moving far off from her village. Since Mary had broken the normal rules of the shrine, she and her family kept the pregnancy confidential.

........

 

 

 

 



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

938.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:02 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

That`s what Im wondering. how did she get pregnant?{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 Is it such important ?  Do people need to know the fathers of all prophets? Why people do not search their fathers ?



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

939.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 10:01 am

Quran never clearly says she was virgin when she was pregnant, thats just interpretation. I wonder if there wasnt any concept of virgin birth in christian theology, did people interpret Quran like this? They are programmed to see virgin-birth in those verses. The concept of virgin birth can also be found in pagan beliefs like Isis and Mithra movements, which Romans once were pagans thus influenced christianity like the concept of trinity, son of God and mother of God IMO. According to Quran, all humans are from dust, then from zygote which is union of male and female gametes and since Jesus was mentioned as human in Quran, he should have father. But i respect the muslims who give Jesus a special status rather than prophet like Christians{#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

940.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:47 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

how did Mary manage to keep her virginity then?{#lang_emotions_bigsmile} someone is lieing but who? is it you or god?{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}, she didnt, just he married to Marry after she got pregnant. Do you believe in God?



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

941.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:31 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

who is joseph? wasn`t his father god?{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 dont think so , Joseph was a craftsman and descendant of David, later got married to Marry and died in early age...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

942.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 01:56 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

how about his father{#lang_emotions_unsure}{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 His father should be Joseph, only this way he could have being called messiah {#lang_emotions_wink} 



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

943.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jan 2009 Sun 02:03 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

everybody with common sense

 

 mainly the only ones who are demagogs{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

Quoting thehandsom 

I dont think you are able to understand what I said here though..I am telling you WE treated kurds as if they are dirts and we have PKK, Israel treats palestinians the same way, they get Hamas. Is it difficult to understand? not simple enough?

 

But you havent got my point either, im saying the opposite, Israel´s attitude and violence cannot be comparable. And hamas and pkk are different on the basis but they were used by same mentality.

Quoting thehandsom

Even the writer I started this thread said something like ´Moreover, it was us who alienated that people by our systemic injustice. For decades, our authoritarian state had banned the Kurds’ language, humiliated their culture, and crushed their political efforts.´

Injustice not only for Kurds but the whole ethnics including Turks. Kurds do not have priviledge. Kurdish is impossible to be banned in public, its just banned in official foundations just like other languages because Turkish is the official language of the country by constitution and one of the unchangable law applied by Atatürk. I dont think they are humiliated by their culture but humiliated maybe the problem that caused through the history. They have in politics as Turkish citizens since republic was established, even we had Kurdish prime ministers, presidents etc and now they are represented in Parliament nearly 200 parliamentarian. Only separatist Kurdish movements banned. But of course you dont accept this and continue to care for only Kurds like Kurdish nationalists. Have you seen any parliamenters praising Al Qaida for instance in US congress? We have pkk admirers its our speciality

 

Quoting thehandsom

But of course, you can not accept that because, if you do, you will suddenly come to terms with lies you have believed such as ´it is all terrorism, they are all coming from EU and USA´

 

 The lies you have believed, taught and used to brainwash by those which i continously emphasize

Quoting thehandsom

what turning is that? can you prove? can you show if they are not in line what I said before?

 

 As far as i remember you have never mentioned something like pkk is widely supported by kurds, thats the turning point i think, maybe i remembered wrong{#lang_emotions_confused}

Quoting thehandsom

How do you come up with the idea that I do respect the terrorists? 

 

 From your comments here on TLC , with your effort to justify pkk terrrorism, curse everything regarding Turkish

Quoting thehandsom

Where did I say that they did not have basic rights because they were stateles? Of course if there was not PKK do you think there would be a kurdish television? if there would be why on earth so many years we said that ´kurdish is not allowed´?

 

Actually its not the pkk of course, its the ones who use pkk and also dictate their orders to Turkish governments, its the ones who firstly visit Diyarbakýr instead of Ankara arrogantly, its the ones who wants to make south east distinct province. I am also against Kurdish to be used on state´s official tv since its not the official language of the country. Its one of AKP´s investment for the elections. Kurds can open their private televisions, their private schools, there isnt any official difficulty for this, and i really appreciate that they open Kurdish language filology, Kurdish literature etc in some universities.

 

I never cursed Kurdish language or Kurdish people btw thehandsom you cant prove this unfortunately...

 

Quoting thehandsom

I can give you at least 100 famous writers name who think the same..And they are mainly intellects of Turkey writers, columnists etc ....

 

 Are those the intellects who started campaign of apology to Armenians? Nope, dont fancy any of them...

Quoting thehandsom 

But very typical..when you feel you run out of argument, blame EU/USA/WEST and Soros lol lol

 Its like vicious circle really. Likewise when you feel you run out of argument, your rope is to blame Turkish army, nationalism and arcism

 

Quoting thehandsom

 As I said, I am really enjoying it..

 But its becoming boring day by day, please come with your so-called facts  from history which you learned from great historians like Pamuk ...

 



Thread: the killing continues, GAZA

944.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jan 2009 Sat 09:56 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Ah but dear Armegon...

 

Ah but dear Alameda, since now over 800 people killed and 235 of them were children. It seems they prefer to listen the rabbis i mentioned...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

945.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jan 2009 Sat 09:50 pm

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

Pleasure is all mine..you trust me..

 

 , that will never happen, i mean the trust issue...

Quoting thehandsom

Is this your last stand? lol lol I am telling you similarities about what causes those people to take arms. and your answer is "Demagogy dont work on me"  {#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

 

Im also talking about theres no similarity and i added demogogy doesnt affect me as a reply to "everybody sees the similarities" phrase, is it diffucult to understand? Btw i wonder who are those "everybody"? If you mean TLC, no problem but i know many people who refuted this similarity since hamas visited Turkey.

Quoting thehandsom

I never labelled palestinians terrorists at all..(show me if you insist.) I always said that hamas is the result of israel´s actions..Hamas is the result of what people are caplable of doing when you corner them like animals or treat them like animals.. (that is how it started with PKK as well..Diyarbakir prison)

 

When you resembled pkk with hamas, yourself labelled palestinians. I will be surprised if you got it as you see pkk terrorists as freedom fighters ??. The thing you couldnt perceive is Israel is an occupier unlike Turkey. And again you seem zonked to me when you compare an occupation to the Diyarbakýr prison. I wonder how far you can go with this mentality..

Quoting thehandsom

PKK is widely suported by Kurds..dont lie to yourself..

Even people who have nothing to do with pkk acknowledeges that all the gains kurds have such as recognition as a different ethnic group, language, kurdish tv etc because of PKK..at least most of the kurds respect that..Telling the opposite will be lying.

Its a nice turning from you , you have never mentioned this before. But i do know you have respect for terrorists. Then why dont they really voice it publicly? I think it is the most suitable time. Are they ashamed of something? Actually i have to agree maybe the first time with you on this issue , many of them support terrorists in someways. I just voiced the general view that "But most of the Kurds in Turkey do not fancy with pkk".  One of the interesting thing i realized that none of Kurdish friends that i recognized in my life support these terrorist, actually they clearly curse them except some complaints about Turkish government.

And you think firstly they didnt have basic rights, they were stateless, but then they got many rights by the help of pkk. do you really believe this? unbelievable really. So it can be an object lesson for other ethnicities to refer terrorism, let Turkey provoke the Turks in Greece since they are oppressed in Greece and encourage them to kill Grek civilians.

 

 hmmm, thehandsom says famous Diyarbakýr prison created pkk, how shallow thinking this is. As always you are praising pkk terrorism which is no longer surprising for me...

Quoting thehandsom

what basic rights?

Check the latest Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation, or TESEV report on the Kurdish problem..

here is the link for you.. (kurdish is indispensible prerequisite) see what I am talking about? While everybody acknowledges the basic rights have been denied for kurds. Insisting that ´it was not the case´ is going to be ´not telling the truth´. 

Kurds have been living in the same land for thousands of years..Of course there is not accupation..

About women and children? I dont want to answer that question because It will be simply embarresing. (Please check  EU court cases and how many times as a country we have been found guilty and ACCEPTED and paid the punisments..You will have plenty of examples)   

 

I dont rely on TESEV supported by Soros unfortunately. What embrassing?  Dont hesitate to voice them, how many times Turkey accepted and paid money for killing children and women, in how many months/years did it reach to the number of children massacred by Israel just in few days?Btw who will pay for those thousands of innocents killed by terrorists?

Quoting thehandsom

how can you say that they were not to blame? 

 

 Army isnt just the only one to be blamed{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting thehandsom

I am comparing pkk with hamas and you can nothing to do about it..Not only me..people even in Turkey is comparing both situations as you saw in the first post.

Simply people should wake up and stop more killings..

Because of you (in generic sense btw) people are still dying..They could have been prevented years ago..

 

 Why you angry ? As i said its the new trend, using Turkey to justify Israel´s occupation and mass-killings. And you can do nothing if i refute your comparison, not only me btw ...



Thread: tur to eng

946.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 11:45 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

 {#lang_emotions_unsure}



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

947.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 10:43 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well I never thought for a second you would agree what I said basically..

 

 Thats my pleasure ...

Quoting thehandsom

Apart from you, almosy everybody sees the similarities and what causes those people to take arms.

 

 I just showed these organizations are not similar. Demagogy dont work on me unfortunately...

Quoting thehandsom

But according to you, Palestinians are right but Kurds are wrong..

 

No, im not saying one of them is right or wrong in the first place. Im saying comparison between pkk and hamas is nonsense and simply emphasized they are different. I dont see all Kurds as terrorists whereas it seems you nearly labelled all palestinians as terrorists because of hamas. Actually i do not sympathize with hamas, i do think they have been realizing terrorist acts, thats what Israel desires, hamas know this of course, but i know that Israel can always find an excuse to occupy, it was same before hamas and i also know that Israel using some groups in Palestinians to divide them.

Quoting thehandsom

What I am saying here is so obvious..what caused the terrorism in Turkey is very similar to what has been going  on in Israel (though in Israel, everything is harsher)..

Really? Whats that similarity? I have never realized that pkk is widely supoorted by Kurds or Turks whereas it seems hamas is supported by public.

 

Quoting thehandsom

But what I said was that ´not giving them to basic rights CAUSED the terrorism in Turkey´

 

What basic rights are you talking about? And how can you compare it with Palestine? Is Turkey occupying the lands of Kurds? Is Turkey killing women and children? We are talking about the first right of humanity which is living, thats not valid for Kurds. The only reason that cause pkk to rebel is to ban their language(it has never been banned actually but never been an official language in Turkey like the language of other ethnicities, if it is the case, today its hard to find Kurdish speaking people, in fact there are still many people who dont know Turkish) and humiliate them or any other factors as i mentioned many times here?

Quoting thehandsom

Something is causing them to be terrorists.(In my country´s case, it was our brain dead nationalism and the army)

 

 , im not surprised, it will be last stop that you will put all the blame on nationalism and the army...

Quoting thehandsom

If you want to see more dead people in Turkey or in Palestine, it is your wish, your choice. Not mine..

 

  Simply, do not compare Israel with Turkey or hamas with pkk {#lang_emotions_wink}...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

948.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 07:27 pm

I think the only mistake in ME is zionist Israel thehandsom. The region was in peace for nearly 400 hundred years till the WW1. And if you equalize or compare pkk and hamas, i would understand from that you are trying to say that Turkey is an occupier in south-east(eðer böyle bir þey kastediyorsan zaten git sen kumda oyna daha iyi ). Because Israel has been occupying Gazze, Golem and west sheria for about 35 years. Laws of nations also say this, there are lots of legal decisions that say Israel should step back the lands that she occupied but evevrybody knows Israel ignores this.

 

So if you FULLY compare pkk and hamas, this means you want to say pkk is fighting against the occupation of Turkey which is simply absurd. Now you see how terrorism flourished in Palestine? But dont ignore the biggest terrorist there. But you are right on something both this organizations supported by same forces. Its what Israel desires actually. If not hamas, they will sure find an another excuse, if not pkk, some will find another terrorist organization, nothing changes.

 

Pkk is a terrorist organization for sure, but hamas supported by 70% of palestenians, one of them fighting against the occupation, other one just terrorising the country. Thats the disticntion. If you also compare pkk and hamas, i would have to say that you are trying to justify the occupation of Israel using Turkey, and you see all palestenians as terrorists like Israel.

 

And you again using agitations that does not make sense really. It seems you and whitepath are also good at demagogy ...

 

  



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

949.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 05:19 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Nobody said they are "equal", just "similar", in the sense that their roots is oppression.

 

 But they are not similar in that sense what you meant . Actually they are not comparable as i mentioned...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

950.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 06:33 am

I think its the new trend to equalize pkk and hamas . Such an absurd and foolish mentality can imagine this. Firstle how can one compare palestenians with kurds really? Kurds have rights in Turkey and citizens of Turkey as well as Iran, Iraq, Syria. They represented in Turkish parliament. There are also ethnically Turks citizens of Iran, Iraq. Anyway, on the other side Palestenians have different status, they have authority on their lands recognized by other countries, but they are under blockage and occupation of Israel, they are caged by Israel, even in cease-fire period they were subjected to electricity and water shortage, they were not able to find medicine for their patients. Now they are subjected to one of the routine Israel massacres.

 

And when one try to compare pkk and hamas, its easy to see difference clearly, firstly pkk is a terrorist organization established by Turkish citizens in TURKEY and its target is Turkey´s unity hence pkk is a terrorist organization by firstly the laws of Turkey whereas hamas is not a terrorist organization established inside of Israel or by the citizens of Israel. According to lawsof nations and also laws of Israel, Hamas is an organization established in foreign lands called Palestine. Hamas did also join and won the elections in Palestine by the help of Israel unlike pkk. Actually it seems not possible for pkk.

 

For instance if pkk were to join and won the elections in Iraq and then Turkey was trying to occupy their lands, this time maybe comparable. Hamas has also terrorist acts(its not comparable with Israel), but it seems their acts was legalized by the elections, on the contrary pkk has no legal actions, its well known terrorist organization in the world recognized by many countries...



Thread: the killing continues, GAZA

951.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 03:38 am

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

 

Published:  07.30.06, 17:37 / Israel News

 

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as ´innocents´ of the enemy."

 All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283720,00.html



Thread: the killing continues, GAZA

952.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Jan 2009 Tue 05:23 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

what can be said here.... clearly, there is no god

you comment is correct, Catwoman, NEREDE ALLAH???

 

 And never will you find any change in Allah´s law.



Thread: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARLING FEMMEOUS!!!

953.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jan 2009 Mon 03:13 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

thank you canim, couldnt you post it in russian now?

i think its very fashionable now to wish in different languages. lol

 

 Nope , only Arabic is mümkün;

 

Eid meelad Said

عيد  ميلاد ساعيد



Thread: HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARLING FEMMEOUS!!!

954.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jan 2009 Mon 01:04 pm

Happy birthday faulty the femmeous !! its a few days late though



Thread: -DIk and -mA adverbial clauses

955.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 03:32 pm

 

Quoting Aliebling

So when using "-mesi için" it isn´t necessary to use the (y)Abil verb form? I thought that this sentence would be:

 

Problemi anlayabilmem için öðretmen onu defalarca açýkladý.

 

But just "anlamam" has the same meaning?

 

No problem with "anlayabilmem", can be used, gramitacally correct and very well understandable. There "anlayabilmem" emphasizes something like "i was able to understand by teacher´s effort" imo. But Turkish teachers can explain better than me, wait for them for clarification .



Thread: what are you watching now?

956.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 02:55 pm

ilginç 



Thread: What are you listening now?

957.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 01:36 am

Bebe-en tu silencio



Thread: sorry to ask again turk-eng

958.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 01:34 am

I hardly understood the message, but i know you say if i can look after you, can i look after you?  In that case i dont want another lover, i know its hard for me to marry, you also consider this.

Quoting red1

msj zor anladým ama bildiðim sen bana bakabilirmisin diyorsun ben sana baka bilecekmisin? O zaman ben baþka sevgili istemem evlenmem.zor biliyorum sende iyi düþün

 

thank you very much for your help

 

 



Thread: english to turkish please

959.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 01:28 am

 Eðer oraya gelirsem, onun benimle konuþacaðýný sanmýyorum. Gerçekten onu görmek istiyorum ancak benim yüzümden ailesiyle arasýnda sorun çýkmasýný istemiyorum. Ne yapacaðýmý bilmiyorum.  Sadece iki gün oldu Ýstanbul´dan geleli, arkadaþlarýmýn niþan partisine gittim. Belki ayný zamanda o da Ýstanbul´daydý benim gibi. Çok yakýn ama yine çok uzak.

 

Quoting canimarab

If I come there I dont think he will talk to me. I really want to see him  but I dont want to cause trouble with his family. I dont know what to do. I came back from Istanbul  only 2 days ago I went to my friends engagement party. Maybe he was in istanbul at the same time as me. So close but again so far.

 

 



Thread: AMERICANSSS!!! LOOK HERE!

960.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Dec 2008 Wed 08:32 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 

How nice of you...actually Turkey survives on tourism so I  hope one day us bed Americans can discover this wonderful country.

 

its nearly 5% of GNP {#lang_emotions_wink}... 



Thread: short turk-eng check please

961.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 11:24 pm

Nothing, i didnt write.



Thread: Lütfen eng>tur, short, thanks!!

962.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 11:22 pm

Umarým iyisindir...

En son seninle konuþtuðumuzda kýzgýndým, özür dilerim, fakat hakikaten hiç havamda deðildim.

Geçen hafta iþte bir hýrsýz tarafýndan tehdit edilmiþtim.



Thread: eng - turk help needed please

963.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 11:13 pm

Bugün senin çalýþtýðýný düþünüyordum. Neden msn ye geldin?



Thread: ´Turkey is an imitation of the West´ Pamuk says

964.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Dec 2008 Sun 05:05 am

This thread reminds me Ros´s thread about Neo-Ottomanism  which is invented by Neo-Cons as Pamuk describes himself an Ottoman with his limited history knowledge and considers Republic and Atatürk unimportant. According to Neo-Cons Kemalism had died and became unsuccessful so in Turkey there need more respect for Islam and more respect for history of Ottomanism(which is a bunch of lie, imo just cover for their projets on ME, because now they cant find a better slaves than these muslim hypocrites who use religion and God to deceive public) as CIA ME headman mentioned before. Same thoughts with the Pamuk. Imo Pamuk is a bad imitation and a servant of these Neo-Cons. 

 

Anyway, after the cold war finished, Neo-cons fully compromised these hypocrites and so-called liberals. Some even began to define secularism as radicalism. Regarding the Turkey these so-called liberals and the one who use God deceive people are on same boat just like the last times of Empire as i always mentioned. They are trying to experience moderate Islam in Turkey, so AKP government is another step to govern Turkey with slaves(but they claim these will free and lighten up people as they think Kemalism was too harsh to religious ones which is untrue and also a cover). So the target is Atatürk and his remaninig heritage nowadays. They even could not(dont want to) perceive the fact that Atatürk´s revolutions were left and werent proceeded after he had died.

 

Lastly Atatürk was always at the side of fully independence of Turkey. According to him Turkey cannot be fully independent if She is not freed from western imperialism and if She is not freed from eastern religious exploitation. Now decide if he is occidenatalist or whatever orientalist...     



Thread: IRAQ

965.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Dec 2008 Wed 09:57 am

Part of an article "A dictator created then destroyed by America"  

 

"In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent - we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam´s shame at Abu Ghraib - and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created.

Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam´s weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability.

And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our "bunker buster" bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our "victory" - our "mission accomplished" - who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement. "

 

 

Rest here:http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-a-dictator-created-then-destroyed-by-america-430197.html



Thread: The Turkish ATLAS magazine

966.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:38 am

I think it is only for Turkish people{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}  hence it is in Turkish.



Thread: Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians

967.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:31 am

"The words were carefully chosen so as not to upset any side," she said. "We are not betraying anyone. We are merely telling the Armenians that we share their grief."


Funny statement above shows the hypocracy of that so-called "yaltakçý" intellectuels. I wonder if any of them share the grief of Turks during WW1 or the grief of Azeris just 17 years ago. Or if any of them realised Armenians have no intention of apology about what they had done in past. But i think Armenians are proud of these "prominent" intellectuels, maybe some awards for them are on way{#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: Iraqi Journalist throws shoe at Bush

968.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Dec 2008 Mon 10:29 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

I would congratulate the guy{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

  me too



Thread: Personal apology to A|rmenians for 1915 events

969.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Dec 2008 Mon 10:27 pm

 

Quoting amicamia

They were the ones who used to live in the east among their Turkish neighbours in peace.

The were the people who were called Millet-i Sadýka (people to be relied on ) that their Turkish neighbours could rely on them and leave their goods to them when they were even  in Mekkah (Mekke) to become pilgrims.

 

Then one day (during the independence war), some whistled to their ears;"We´re about to divide the  Empire into many parts,if you want to have lands for you,too come and join us".

These words;the proposals affected some of the armenians and they joined the enemies of the empire unexpectedly.

This trick of the enemies worked on very well on the armenians living there(some foresaw the coming future,didn´t want to be on the side of the deceived and left the lands soon before the conflict began.

The rest took part on the side of the enemies and then they attacked the Turkish villagers;the Turkish villagers tried to defend themselves but the deceived neighbours of them until that time,now they were together with the other enemies;using their weapons and attacking afterwards,without thinking of men,women and babies-the babies.

It was not a genocide.There happened a war in that region just because of the deceived groups who were directed by the others.

Well...years passed after the independence war.Still,there are the ones living in Turkey using their own names or the Turkish names;businessmen,tailors,singers,actors...live in peace here.

When it comes to apologise,the side who has to apologize (if it is needed ) are the grandchildren of the deceived !An apology is not needed at the real,just their feeling shame of being the supporters of them is enough.

 

 Good brief history, thanks too{#lang_emotions_flowers}



Thread: What are you listening now?

970.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Dec 2008 Sun 01:24 am

Ellerini çekip benden



Thread: The Internet is full of opinions expressed in public forums like this one

971.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 11:13 pm

, so what can we do?Thanks to anti-islam propogandists.I suppose we all know these. And whats your aim starting such a thread? I think you can also say the same things by not quoting these disgusting slanders{#lang_emotions_wink}...



Thread: Lütfen eng>tur, short, thanks!!

972.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 10:17 pm

Umarým söylediðin her kelimeyi kastediyorsundur



Thread: Lütfen eng>tur, short, thanks!!

973.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 10:01 pm

Aþkým tamam...yani onlarý silmemi mi istiyorsun?

Onlar sadece okuldan ve kolejden.

Yalnýzca onlar mý?



Thread: Lütfen tur>eng, short, thanks!!

974.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 09:58 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

Why don´t you read what has already been written first!

 

 asked to me? I thought they are different{#lang_emotions_confused}...



Thread: What are you listening now?

975.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 09:54 pm

Bintiþ Þelebiya



Thread: Lütfen tur>eng, short, thanks!!

976.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 09:52 pm

If it is not important for you.

It is as if you know all registered ones.



Thread: RELIGION

977.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2008 Thu 02:36 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 Do you always write in English totally grammatically correctly?? lol

 

 But mine is gramatically correct



Thread: RELIGION

978.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2008 Thu 01:48 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

   Hopefully Armegon will come back and explain - you know I´m only learning!

 

 

 

 Your translation is correct, thank you LIR for explaining instead of me



Thread: RELIGION

979.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2008 Thu 01:46 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

Source:

Kuran-ý Kerim  37. sure “Saffat”,  ayetler: 102, 103,  107,  vb

The Holy Quran , Surah 37,  “As- Saffat” ,  verses 102, 103, 107,etc.

Source=The other religious books.

 

Þimdi bu ayetlerle aþaðýda yazýlaný doðrulaya biliyor musun? Hayýr. Yok melek gelmiþ de elini tutmuþta falan filan. Senin anlattýðýn hikaye daha çok Ýsrailiyat kaynaklý, biraz da çorba gibi. Kýsaca verdiðin bu ayetlere göre Ýbrahim peygamber rüyasýnda oðlunu kurban edeceðini görüyor ve bunu oðlunu anlatýyor, oðlu da emrolduðun iþi yap diyor. Ýbrahim peygamber oðlunu adak olarak adamasýnýn ardýndan, Allah´a baðlýlýðýndan ötürü Ýshak ile müjdeleniyor. Yani ne gerek var çorba yapmaya

 

Quoting yilgun-7

 Hazreti Ýbrahim, býçaðý ile gözleri bir bezle kapalý bulunan oðlu ÝSMAÝL (ISHMAEL or ISAAC - ÃSHAK)´ ýn baþýný tam kesmek üzere iken, Allah bir meleðini göndererek, hazreti Ýbrahim’in býçak ile kalkan kolunu havada tutturmuþ ve “Bundan böyle oðlunu deðil, bu kurbanlýk koçu keseceksin,” diye buyurmuþ.

Bu esnada, Melek, gökyüzünden getirdiði koyunu Hazreti Ýbrahim´e teslim etmiþ. 

 

 



Thread: RELIGION

980.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Dec 2008 Thu 11:57 am

 

Quoting yilgun-7

 (Bu bilgi, Kuraný Kerim ve din kitaplarýndan alýnmýþtýr.)

 

 Bu kýssanýn Kuran ile uzaktan yakýndan alakasý yok , kandýrmýþlar seni yilgun  



Thread: lütfen, e to t.

981.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Dec 2008 Wed 11:37 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

Why? 

 

 Because smile is "gülüþ/tebessüm" in Turkish, rose is "gül"...



Thread: eng -tr please

982.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Dec 2008 Wed 11:34 pm

Benimle tekrar konuþmak isteyip istemediklerini pazartesi akþamý bana bildirecekler.



Thread: lütfen, e to t.

983.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Dec 2008 Wed 11:29 pm

should be "gülüþünü/tebessümünü çok..."  not "gülünü"



Thread: What are you listening now?

984.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Dec 2008 Wed 05:34 pm

Çamlar altýna



Thread: RELIGION

985.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 04:55 am

Firstly i have to remind you that slandering is another a sin. I only said there i think one can openly say that he/she converted into christianity, he/she was protected by laws hence nobody has right to kill him/her. and the other stages are simply normal about the relationships with your family and friends. Dont you think same things happen when a devout catholic parents´ child for instance converted into Islam?

btw you can also find many people not only converts who do not fast or pray, and nobody calls them like the way you described(but now im nt sure since AKP governing the country that you always praise ). Other awful events you selected with tweezers, can also happen in any country due to lack of respect to freedom of religion. It seems an avarage 10 events happen in a year, other countries needs to be checked also. Noone should approve these events in Turkey except the bigots...



Thread: RELIGION

986.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 03:56 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Salak!

 

Aptal , havent you still called racist/nationalist or whatever yet? so, kindly dont quote me and stay away from me



Thread: RELIGION

987.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 03:19 am

 

Quoting justinetime

an insult is an insult...

 

and the only reason that implication came up in the first place, was of his own post in another thread, of joining Al quieda... isn´t that a terrorist group?

 

Where is your proof? I think tami has no fancy to Al Qaide, he is also atheist as far as i know . In this situation you become a slanderer...



Thread: RELIGION

988.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 03:15 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 awww, mommy´s boy arrived to suggest a better solution for his own justice! lol

i have never ever asked anyone to delete a post of anyone even it was below the belt.

 

 Hi, faulty the femmeous , have u learned the difference between kipchaks and karaims?



Thread: RELIGION

989.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 03:12 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Christianity was bloody in the past while Islam still is. And that´s all.

 

I think we discussed this before, why you putting all the blame on Islam whereas that terrorists only using Islam, actually they have nothing to do with Islam, all were trained by US against USSR during the cold war. If you put all blame on Islam, for sure someone will come with the same thing, putting all blame onto christianity...



Thread: RELIGION

990.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 03:07 am

 

Quoting justinetime

when the"radical Islam´s" belief at present is highly influenced by the German Nazzi´s movement, of world domination... check out my previous posts...  or not. Coz it seems pretty obvious you don´t listen to anybody´s opinion but yours...

 

whats the radical islam´s btw? And another question where is this influence for about 64 years? Have they just noticed that Hitler influenced from so-called radical islam? I think they researched and found the relation after 2001, voila radical muslim(influenced) Hitler killed all the jews. Simply absurd. There is no radical islam, islam is islam, because according to Islam that terrorists not seen to be muslim, they just claimed to be.

i think its better you educate yourself...



Thread: RELIGION

991.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 02:59 am

 

 

Quoting justinetime

she made that comment to the fact that you said there are no christians who are ethnically Turks...

 

 I think tami was talking about Anatolia not the whole Turkic world. Of course there are christian Turks as well as from other religions.

Quoting justinetime

 but when i was thinking last night.. isn´t Ephesus, a major part of the whole Christian movement? which leads me to believe that there was a time in history where there are Christians who are "ethnically Turks"... i just don´t know what happened through the course of time, that changed the belief of those people in that particular region to Islam...

 

Another absurd comment unfortunately, justin sometimes silence is better or should i say instead of thinking last night, why didnt you do a little research? It seems you have internet .

Let me add one to this , "i was thinking deeply last night, Ephesus was a part of a whole pagan movement, what happened to that people that changed their belief into christianity?" Or one more " the whole American continent was once pagan and shaman, what happened to that people that changed their belief into christianity?"

 

I think you should think deeply like me

 



Thread: RELIGION

992.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 02:49 am

 

Quoting justinetime

i don´t think wikipedia is a reliabal source though.... anybody can make an input in wikipedia nowadays...

 

 

Why dont you do your own research then enlighten us please? , its known that Karay Turks are descedants of Khazars who were constitued a jewish Turkish state. And religion of Turkic Karays is called Karaism that they were attached to Torah but also contains some influences of Islam which is distinct to Rabbanical Judaism. Seems tamikidakika is right , im waiting for your research?



Thread: RELIGION

993.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 02:44 am

 

Quoting justinetime

yes i am aware of the holocaust very well.... and i never meant to say that non-westernized countries are "crappy" countries...

 

 Thats what people understood from your very infomative posts ...



Thread: RELIGION

994.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 02:42 am

 

Quoting justinetime

west part of Turkey too? Aren´t they westernized or something? lol specially for guys who marry foreign women...

 

what a foolish comment. Whats westernization btw? Someone who marries a foreign woman, needs to be westernized(i dont know how it happens) or are all foreign women from west? One can add more questions like this .

 

Do you really think a Turkish man who marries a foreign woman become westerner? who taught this to you or just what you dream when you married your Turkish dudu (i know im talking nonsense comments but im really confused how to reply this post )



Thread: RELIGION

995.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Dec 2008 Tue 02:33 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Yes there are. But I think there are more Turkish Christians who do not say it openly...

You are only making assumption i think and you base your argument only to the events in Malatya. Generalizing is not good by basing your arguments only meeting up a few Turk christian converts and that event. If some bigots killed missionaries in Malatya, does not mean Turk christian converts cannot say their belief openly. Same happens to muslim families in Germany, does this mean there is no freedom of religion in Europe?



Thread: RELIGION

996.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 07:04 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Armegon, why are you angry?!  LIR deleted a post insulting Tamikidakika, but you ask for MORE?

 

 Im just reading the posts in this thread so maybe i havent noticed yet



Thread: RELIGION

997.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 06:53 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

I think there is a difference between referring to all christians as crusaders and implying (even jokingly) that someone could be a terrorist so I will delete the comment.

 

 Why dont you delete the femme girls first post calling tami liar for a start?



Thread: Turkish Walrus of love... hehehe... :P

998.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Dec 2008 Sun 09:36 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

 Turkish capital´s Golden Horn.

 

{#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

what a reliable source of news!

 

 {#lang_emotions_smile}



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

999.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Dec 2008 Sun 03:15 am

Quote:

I am calling the guy primitive and you are accusing me that I am trying to show him as an angel? hahaha

You really made me laugh man..

 

Lack of understanding, i said "i think describing him like this" and then said "expect more soften term from you" , do you want me to spell maybe more easy to understand ?

 

Quote:

So they are a faulty people eh? somehow, they always choose to be a toy of others? You are accusing the Kurds as people here. That seems abit of a racism to me.. Dont you think? 

As i said, im a plain person, if it is their choice; instead of rebelling the facist Agas or other, some choose to rebel the state. Saying this racism, then so it be, i cant twist well unfortunately.

Quote:

what am I trying to do here then? What made up accusations are you talking? I have already given  many documents here..

Everyone can find documents from biased or PKK sympathizer web page, these dont mean they are saying the truth. Just like Ros´s one, when one "who just nothing knows about Turkish politics" says "wow how wonderful Zana, she won also human rights award" without knowing reality and her racist comments, thats just you are trying to do here to justify terrorism.

Quote:

The one of the last links was people who were KILLED (MADE DISSPEAR) by our security forces for example. Do you talk about it? no. Do you have a heart to say that ´yes our security forces killed those people unlawfully?´ ..no.

Yes, it seems you dont want to remember my posts about the events such as 6-7 Eylül or the events caused 1980 coup, but i always explained what caused them instead of defaming the whole nation. You need to freshen your memory.

Quote:

I showed you a slap on the face  documentation ´sark islahat plani´ for example. do you say anything about it? no.

Which slap? I had shown you many times what caused Islahat planý and never defended it.

Quote:

I gave many many examples of how ´our own mistakes created´ this entire kurdish problem. do you come up with anything apart from ´ah they are all terrorists, they are toys of the foreign powers´? no..

Haha, im not throwing all blame to Turkish authorities, thats our difference. Btw never called all Kurds terrorists. Do you come up with anything that it is result of Turkish racism?

Quote:

If you come up with credible arguments, I promise to tell you more stories and facts from the history about the entire problem. But since you are not producing anything I dont think it is worth really..

Ok, i will do my best to satisfy you by producing something then, please dont hesitate to come-up with your so-called facts from history .

Quote:

So the argument with you is over for me in this thread..

Bay Bay, see you next time{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quote:

I still recommend you to go and read more though

thehandsom, i recommend you to read me more



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1000.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Dec 2008 Sun 12:52 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I have always found him very primitive indeed I dont know what you are trying say up there? agreeing? disagreeing? Do you find him sophisticated? what? 

 

It was an allusion unfortunately you fail to understand . the adjective "primitive" with "quite" to describe him, is just making him an angel i think , but i expect more soften term from you actually, thats why i said im surprised.

Quoting thehandsom

 

You are reapeating himself and mixing up the concepts there..it is always the case that anybody talks about kurdish rights and our wrong doings, have always been accused the same way. So it is not original at all.  

 

 

What do you think you are doing? Of course ill say the same thing, thats what i learned and thought to be the truth, only i use different expressions and informations to state my thoughts. If i say something to oppose my thinking, i betray myself and the truth . So you mean those anybodies think like me, im happy for them then. Do you think your thoughts original? I think you love to be original, what a pity im ordinary

Quoting thehandsom

 

I think you should go and read a little bit more about these issues..Even the most army loving liberals are accepting now that  the REAL cause of this conflict has been ´denying the right of kurds in the first place and the assimilation since the beginning of republic´.

Sark islahat plani, as a document, is a slap on the face for people who think we have done nothing wrong. 

 

 

 

Please dont advice me to read something, i already read many of them in years. In Turkey not only Kurds living thehandsom, i know thats sorrowful for you but real. But mostly Kurds rebel all the time, if they speak Kurdish, Arabic, Turkish nothing changes since they choose to be a toy of facist Agas or others, fixed with experience and history. 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I am not trying to justify terrorism here and I never did. You very well know that. 

This is one of the the cheapest arguments when people have run out of arguments.. 

 

I know very well what you are trying to do here. Actually im a plain person, i prefer to say what i think about people without hiding. And ill try to reply your made-up accusations if i have time. In fact you running out of argument and this post is a good example for this



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1001.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 11:21 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

You are not making sense now..I am not even Kurdish and I find Ocalan quite primitive. 

 

Hmmm "quite primitive", im surprised , He is a terrorist leader, the one who raped terrorist girls, who killed families, the handsom. Only a brainwashed can say this, actually you never make sense, also there have been terrorists from other nations in PKK rather than Kurds btw..

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I never defended any of the racism in my entire life to be honest. But I always thought that kurdish racism was the result of Turkish racism. You may keep saying that we dont have problems with peaceful people but jailing Kurdish politicians proving that you are not right.

 

You are defending these terrorists from the beginning. And Turkish facists which were fed up during cold war did not hit only Kurds but also other ethnicities and Alevis who did not even think to rebel the Turkey, which proves your double standards maybe tens of times here . Btw it is not jailing Kurdish politicians, it is jailing terrorists who claimed to be politician, there still some politician in parliament whose husband is on mountains.

Quoting thehandsom

 

I believe that Turkish nationalism is the one playing (and have played) a dividing role here by not accepting the reality that there are other minorities living in our country and trying to make them Turkish..

Well as you see, it has not been working (please check the sark islahat plani thread about the treatment of Kurds since the beginning of the republic).

There are many thing to be said about the lies you were told and you believed ( from statements from the army about ´we dont have kurdish problem, it is all foreign powers´ to JITEM, Ergenekon) But I wont have a go on them.

But I believe from your statements, you   opposed to the generals when they banned the kurdish language or changed the kurdish viallage names and when they told ´there are no kurds. they are mountain turks´.. And I am sure you did not believe them when they burned the villages in the east and said that ´we did not do it´. or when Jitem killed those thousands of kurds and the army said that ´they have no idea what happened to them´.

Well it is good to know


 

 

I dont believe, actually i am sure that problem is puppet facist Kurdish leaders who are directing the ignorant people by threatening with their feodal system, caused many rebellions during the Republic history. As we talked before one of the result of this is Islahat planý. I think the lies you were told are the same as which was used to brainwash Kurdish people to convert them into terrorist who hate everything about Turkey. Denying the effect of foreign intelligent services that are using sometimes ülkücü group or counter guerilla organizations, sometimes other ethnicities in Turkey, is simply absurd, because it is clear as day . After cold war strategies and targets are of course changed due to the project of BOP. I am sure you did not believe that terrorist wearing Turkish army uniform, killing people.

Quoting thehandsom

 

Calm down ..

See.. you still dont get the parallels here..How cleverly the Brits stopped the killings there. Because they value the lives of their citizens..They put their citizens lives ahead of everything (they even talked to known terrorists in order to stop the bloodshed)..

 Jailing of Kurdish politicians who never killed or took arms will cause more unrest..and more deaths..

That is what you are FAILING TO SEE. 

 

 

Since i learned your mentality from the beginning when you called terrorists as "young boys", i would say the same thing to you, imo you are trying to justify terrorism here. And any concession in the way dealing terrorists of Turkish authorities gathers more dahgerous situations even more inner rebellions because this time Turkish people will begin to use weapons instead of army. In fact i think Turkey is getting closer to this situation, thanks to our government AKP...



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1002.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Dec 2008 Sat 01:47 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Well, you like it or not but there are at least 5 million Turks/Kurds think that Ocalan is their leader and they symphatise with him (actually most of them are quite keen on him. if he says die to them, they will die).

 

 According to you then, Turkey has 5 million terrorists to deal with since they can die for terrorism by killing people includin Zana.  Are you one of them?

Quoting thehandsom

 

When you add others who dont like Ocalan but symphatise with the kurds because of all those anti democratic asimilation and treatment, you have already lost it..

Are you going to call them terrorist too? are you going to put them in jail too?

 

I dont think we have problem with peaceful people, actually these people has problems with these terrorists.  But again you are making agitations, as only Kurds the poorest ones and only the Kurds mistreated in Turkey; just have a look at all people in Turkey instead of focusing on only Kurds and instead of defending their Kurdish racists and terrorists but since i dont see these, i put you in that racist group. Your double-standards force me to think like this unfortunately.

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

(think of islamic world, think of pakistani people for example, at least 80% of them supports osama, are they all terrorists? they should all be put in jail?)

 

 

 

How you come this conclusion? did you make a poll? Imo who supports that vahhabi puppet freak called ossama is also a terrorist, nothing changes because they can kill civilians with an order like an installed robot, just like the cave men in Kandil. But since im working with some Pakistanis, they curse ossama since hes using the name Islam, maybe i only came up with the intellectuel ones.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Not seeing this reality, putting people like Zana in jail (who never took arms, never killed anybody and still insists that ´Turks and Kurds should find a way to live together peacefully´  and STILL believing in people who lied to you repeatedly (starting from K Evren´s speaches -such as ´there is no such a thing as kurds they are all mountain turks to we have only terrorism problem which is supported by foreign powers blah blah-) caused the death of 40.000 thousand people (mainly Kurds). Do you want more? How much more?

 

 

What reality are you talking about? She is threatenin Turkey and Turkish army by terrorism, is this how she trying to create peace? By dividing the nation with her retarded mentality. Nobody lied to me, im not a fan of Evren either, actually i dont like him if you did care to my posts here but i think you only see your own nose rather than this; claiming that im a fan of Evren. It seems you are brainwashed by propogand of terrorists and parroting same thing here as putting all blame to Turks and Turkish army, you are blind to see the reality that Kurds are being used. Surely i dont want more people killed but seems Zana and their bosses want more, one can observe these tense created by these racists nowadays...

Quoting thehandsom

 

I will repeat again, if British goverment put people like Gerry Adams into jail there would still be killing in N Ireland. 

 

 

 Hmm, i know at last you will shout "freedom for terrorist in Ýmralý", we know the situation when he was outside...Are these terrorists orphans when he is now in jail? I dont think so, he also does what he want from jail, anyone cant find a jail like this, thanks to your bla blas

Quoting thehandsom

Why do we keep insisting that Turkish lives are not as important as British lives? 

 

 What is this? I have never claimed someting like that, are you fine?



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1003.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 10:50 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Hitler gave orders to kill people. That woman never gave orders to kill people.. ..lol

 

 , she declares Öcalan as her leader and Kurds leader, means she is under the order of a terrorist leader, so she also a terrorist, thats what normal person perceives from that declaration, actually she is political representetive of terrorists and brain-washeds. btw im losing nothing, im behind my words, if her preachings is just speaking, nothing can be said to that sick mentality that directs people to kill civilians or Turkish soldiers even Kurds who do not bow down. Actually that sick racist mentality of ones like Zana & Ayna, results more people killed...



Thread: The Translation Lounge

1004.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 10:41 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

 Ohh, thank you, it went very well with Fenerbahçe´s match , but you forgot my chips{#lang_emotions_rant}



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1005.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:42 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I´d do my own reasearch, thank you very much.

 

 Yes, that will be better as there are not so many Turkish people here. Welcome ...



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1006.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 07:38 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

haha.

Are you sure about she ´directed a terrorist organization´?

She was never ever directed or managed any terrorist organisation and you very well know that..

She does not live in Northern Iraq. She lives in Turkey. She is watched all the time.

Are you not aware that because you putting zana type people

WHO NEVER KILLED ANYBODY

WHO NEVER DIRECTED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

WHO NEVER TOOK ARMS INTO HER HANDS

people are still getting killed?

Are you saying that putting zana type people into jail helps to solve ´our Kurdish problem´?

Are you sure that jailing Zana helps the peace we are trying to achive in Turkey?

 

Completely nonsense, everybody knows she is a preacher to public, and advices Kurds to be terrorists while she was praising the terrorist leader. This means she is a terrorist, and directs people, responsible for all killed innocents. You again want to talk how to solve Kurdish issue as we talked many times here, you lost at the beginning when you try to justify terrorism by defending these Kurdish racists, and im right with my thoughts about you...



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1007.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:46 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Well, I guess you would know, you and my husband were in the same dancing school!  {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 He is your husband then , unfortunately i cant dance, it is for sure your husbands mate is your other dudu lover{#lang_emotions_razz} , you need to change your glasses Eli...



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1008.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:41 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

I´m sorry, I have difficulty understanding the point you´re making and how it relates to my question.

Its very related to your question since you can say this in parliament, whatelse left smart lady  

Quoting Melek74

What my question inquired about is, for the Turkish people, do they even question the legality or validity of the law that makes it a crime to insult turkishness? Does anybody consider if to be contrary to the guarantees of the constitution? Or do people think it´s ok? And what exactly is "turkishness"? Are there specifications which say what you can or cannot say? Obviously Ataturk is one, any others?

This really shows your lack of knowledge, why dont you start to dig up old threads here?Then after commenting here. Or you can also search Atatürk nationalism, will be a good start

Quoting Melek74

 I hope I´ll get a list of "10 things you can´t say here" when I visit Turkey. Otherwise I´ll probably rot in prison there.

 

Ya, we sent tourists to jail, all likes Turkish jails{#lang_emotions_razz}, and because of this Turkey is one of the country of tourism...



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1009.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

She has never took arms and she has never killed anybody!!

 

I keep saying that she is terrorist like many other terrorists. Other terrorist leaders do no take arms and maybe never killed anybody but direct a terrorist organisation. Do this chahged the fact that they are terrorists?



Thread: The Translation Lounge

1010.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:15 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Wowwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!

That is Armegon?

 

Watch those hips move baby

 

 No, thats not me, thats her husband {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1011.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:13 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I am talking about a woman here

 

Yep, i am also talking about a terrorist who supports other terrorists to kill civilians



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1012.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:09 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 I posted his dancing in the lounge forum.  Of course, this was taken before things got out of hand!

 

 No, you are mistaken , he more looks like your dudu husband , that you recorded and post it to youtube to prove how he twist wonderfully {#lang_emotions_razz}



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1013.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 06:07 pm

 

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Actually I prefer to think I´m amused by this obsession. It´s probably wrong of me as people who go to jail for their lack of love for Ataturk deserve more than amusement but that´s my mean nature

 

If it is only lack of love {#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting Daydreamer

Were I believer, I´d say thank God {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 Then i can say thank God, i think you should say thank my ego



Thread: The Translation Lounge

1014.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 05:23 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Hehehe but you CAME HERE ....  No man can resist my sensual dancing

 OK OK what would you like to drink?

(Piggy?!?! {#lang_emotions_get_you}   )

 

 I want an mix fruit cocktail with chips please



Thread: The Translation Lounge

1015.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 05:06 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Ouh I see Armegon has been doing some translating  

 

Come to the lounge Armegon... I am just starting my dance...

 

 

 Thanks what you offer for drinking today rather than nargile ? btw i dont like that piggy dancing, i think this scares men and make them stay away from the lounge



Thread: Fiba 2010 world basketball championship-Turkey

1016.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 04:30 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! The world basketball chamionships are in Turkey! My 2 most favorite things!

 

It seems they are not your favourites since you have just learned world basketball championship is in Turkey now, passed nearly years as it is announced , you have to focus more  



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1017.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 04:25 pm

Wooow, mentality , according to this sick mentality, there is no terrorist leader in world, only the pawns, even Bin Ladin is not a terrorist either since he did not bomb any civilians or terrorism financiers also. Zanas and Aynas(the hairy one ) announcing 15 August 1984 as a victory day that they killed Turkish soldiers treacherously. The real cave men with their mentalities living in Kandil in real caves, killing and robbing people, drinking drugs and walking around like zombie robots, even raping the female terrorists...



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1018.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 04:17 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Stating that I find this obsession ridiculous and that I fail to understand it is not really complaining, is it? And I cannot accept it as it opposes everything I advocate. Also, it´s just a thought, not an attempt to provoke. Lighten up Armegon {#lang_emotions_cool}

 

 Ehh, such a simple comment, no one need to think like you, change the verb "complain" into "disturb" then, you are also obsessed with the obsession of Turks , because of this i find your comments provoking rather than ridiculous. Mine just a thought too, your mentality opposes everything that i advocate, lighten up twice DayDreamer {#lang_emotions_cool} 



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1019.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 04:12 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

How does Turkey reconcile the guarantee of freedom of expression and dissemination of thought in its constitution with laws in the penal code that make insulting Turkishness a crime? Wouldn´t the law be unconstitutional?

 

Someones praising terrorists in Turkish parliament nowadays, is it free for Obama to praise Bin Ladin in US parliament? Is it enough for freedom of expression?{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}



Thread: English to Turkish.

1020.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 05:02 am

 Merhaba, sevgilim Oðuz,

 

Sadece þunu söylemek istiyorum,

Umarým günün iyi geçiyordur=),

Seni özledim(her zamanki gibi =D)

Ve senle konuþmayýnca günüm geçmek bilmiyor...bu sýkýcý =(

Ama...ben çoooook sabýrlý bir kýzým(haha), bu yüzden..senin için burada olacaðým her an=)

Beni düþün..

Öptüm

p.s: ama lütfeeeeeen, çok uzun sürmesin meleðim =)))

Quoting karinalinares

Hi my dear Oðuz!

I just want to say that,

I hope you had a nice day=),  

I missed you (as always=D), 

and my day take too long to finish when I don´t talk with you....this is boring=(

But..... I am a veeeeeery patiente girl ( hahahahah) , so.. I will be here for you anytime=)

Think of me..

a lot of kisses

*P.s : but pleeeease, don´t take too long my angel=))))

 

 

 



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1021.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 03:50 am

She again managed to sentence once more as she spreads hate since she was freed and famous again maybe this time she will be awarded by other organization. Do not worry she will be again saved by very very democratic countries. Imo, she is a bloody terrorist as she publicly says their leader is terrorist Öcalan hence by direct ratio she is also a bloody terrorist . whatelse can be said, PKK murdered thousands of civilians and soldiers treacherously and some humans still say she uses freedom of speech, thats too much for me to say this for the one who supports and praises baby killers, disgusting...

 

Anyway the funny thing is they are searching for someone to accompany Öcalan as he was bored in jail, at least they found it, then they can play table tennis together , until she saved...



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1022.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 01:52 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

forget the movie, read now this article about Leyla:

 

 

 Turks dont forget Leyla, dont worry Ros, many Turks have already noted her...



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1023.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 01:47 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Hehehe you can come to the Lounge too Armegon - today we have a nargile

 

Whats that lounge fuss here? Do i need permission from admin? I dont like nargile btw {#lang_emotions_razz}

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

1024.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 01:43 am

Nilüfer-Sen mutlu ol ne olur



Thread: Turkey jails Kurdish politician Ms Zana

1025.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Dec 2008 Fri 12:24 am

 

Quoting libralady

 I have a copy and I have watched it a couple of times

 

 Please stop, nobody had watched the movie really, only me {#lang_emotions_razz}{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}



Thread: Ertugrul Ozkok: Would a Turk elect a Kurd as president?

1026.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2008 Thu 11:54 pm

 

Quoting justinetime

it´s so sad that racial prejudice still exist.   And sometimes it is also evident with some of the members here. That´s all i have to say.

 

I couldnt understand your implication well. I think you mean in general, because i havent seen any racial prejudice so far in this thread. Could you please enlighten us a little who are those members? I think one of them is me ..

 

As for the article, i think someone had to remind Kemal Atatürk to Özkök while he was thinking so deeply in the morning. Maybe he was somehow zonked as tamikidakika mentioned ...



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1027.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2008 Thu 11:47 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Does owning a copy of Midnight Express constitute an insult to Turkey?  I own a copy {#lang_emotions_shy} so I better not tell anyone otherwise they might not let me visit anymore {#lang_emotions_confused}

 

 No problem , but that movie is proven to be a lie by its director and the real character who jailed in Turkia...



Thread: Turkey seeks names of YouTube´s Ataturk insulters from U.S.

1028.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2008 Thu 11:44 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

This Turkish obsession with Ataturk is tiresome and ridiculous. I am not commenting on Ataturk himself - he´s not my hero as he´s not from my history book but if somebody considers him wonderful - fine by me. If you want to build him a monument in your garden - go ahead. But if somebody mocks him or makes fun of him they should have the right to do that. There isn´t a universal untouchable so if I want to name my pet pig Ataturk, it´s not Turkish government´s business. Free people are free to joke and/or criticise everybody. Some praise Ali Aðça, some praise Ataturk, others George Bush. Unless you forbid laughing at every single person, you shouldn´t cast stones at those who despise yoru local heroes...

 

Then why are you complaining? Please accept this is Turkish obsession , and do not complain, go and name your pig Atatürk, you dont need to public it here to provoke...



Thread: "love it or leave it" and DTP

1029.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Dec 2008 Thu 11:38 pm

it seems Zanas and Aynas invaded TLC again, means monsieur is back . Hmmm, Emine Ayna, the peace-maker ?? says if anyone votes rather than DTP, votes for war. Seems she is threatening. Ayna, the one who is another voice of terrorist PKK in Turkish parliament protected by silly priviledge law of TBMM. She says she is not free in Turkia, but i wonder if she is not, how she talks in parliment with her insolent allegations. What kind of ingratitude attitude is this? IMO Turkia exaggarated this democracy problematic too much, so nation trying to be alienated from democracy.

 

This racist lunatic says first 4 laws of constitution have to be changed(she dont like the Türkiye and its flag for sure ) , she says Turkia should recognize PKK, beg for mercy , and accept their offers, says Öcalan should be freed, praises him and praises and cries for the PKK bombers who killed civilians and Turkish soldiers. Even she announces 15 August 1984 as a victory day that 34 Turkish soldiers killed by terrorists, provokes schismatics and all nation.

 

After then for sure some people began to think if Türkiye is too much democratic. Because it is clear that these mischief-makers´ struggle is not Kurds but to justify terrorism by using this exaggarated democracy. I dont think any of those want the wellfare of Kurds because it is better for them that Kurds stay ignorant with their honor killings, polygamies, intermarriages, illegal attitudes and their feodal system. If something good done there, they began to disturb and use PKK to kill doctors, teachers or any government authority who tries to make something good for Kurds...



Thread: Lütfen eng>tur, short, thanks!!

1030.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 10:21 pm

Not so much different, both are same in meaning but i think "daima" is more strict and trustable, at least it sounds so, im not a Turkish teacher so its better this to be replied by a Turkish teacher



Thread: E - T Please

1031.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 10:07 pm

Onu tanýyor musun?



Thread: Lütfen eng>tur, short, thanks!!

1032.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Nov 2008 Thu 10:05 pm

Evet aþkým, 5 ay, ve inþallah daima birlikte olacaðýz.



Thread: Begin with..

1033.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2008 Tue 02:19 am

 

Quoting CANLI

Ý did cilek thank you ...its like a tiger to me lol

armegon,is there a site like that i can seach for words in Turkish ?!

 

 I dont know well, never researched before as Turkish is my native , i think you dont look for something like dictionary, right?



Thread: Begin with..

1034.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2008 Tue 02:09 am

Check here for the English ones...



Thread: Begin with..

1035.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2008 Tue 02:02 am

"vaþak" came to my mind only, means bobcat in English...

 

im late



Thread: Begin with..

1036.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Nov 2008 Tue 01:58 am

In Turkish or English?



Thread: Vote for an admin!

1037.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Nov 2008 Sat 04:59 pm

My vote for libralady or CANLI ...



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1038.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 03:43 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

someone took offence to the word "paranoid" because the comment suggested they were mentally ill. 

 

Someone did not get offended, that someone replied in the same way, but realised only his post was deleted.  Do you have reading?



Thread: who files a complaint to admins?

1039.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 01:05 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 how could you loose a chance to announce it?

 

 Thats a good chance, isnt it? Why you disturbed from the truth? As i said you are faulty, sometimes work properly, sometimes not. btw you have got a chance too ...

 

p.s. i replied your 2nd pm to make you happy...



Thread: who files a complaint to admins?

1040.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 01:03 am

 

Quoting femmeous

I dont get hurt by insults, if our noble vineyards or polite armegon think that they can hurt me, they are deeply mistaken.

 

 I know you have a thick skin. My aim is not to hurt you, just a sincere respond yo your pm. Imo you were borned to be faulty , thats not your fault, so take this as a compliment because of this i said "i think you will be pleased" and im right...



Thread: who files a complaint to admins?

1041.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Nov 2008 Thu 09:42 pm

No, im talking about posts on forum, you can delete my posts, my posts are more rude than hers. The pm part was just a sign about personality, just a liberal education for our respected mod LIR , btw i like the ones whos good at somersaulting...



Thread: who files a complaint to admins?

1042.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Nov 2008 Thu 09:05 pm

Ya, you can delete my posts instead LIR. femme the famous sent me a pm with many swearings and insults, and i replied in the same way that she will be pleased i think ... 



Thread: Real Ataturk or Western-backed plot?

1043.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Nov 2008 Wed 02:44 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 when the person you are talking with finds this insulting, you should avoid saying this...

 

 

To clarify the trouble here, let me explain the situation, firstly thehandsom called me paranoid and as a reply to this i said "i began to think you have mental disorder". Later i realized only my post was deleted. And of course objection from me, my point is; if my post seen insulting so as the thehandsom´s post, actually if my post was not deleted or requested to be modified, then i have no problem with his post since both of our posts in same category...



Thread: Real Ataturk or Western-backed plot?

1044.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 03:24 am

thehandsom, i began to think you have some problems of remembering, i maybe try to describe these tens of times here. Remember, i put emphasis on target is Atatürk nationalism, army, Republic etc here, lit some light? btw as i said i havent watched the movie yet, so i criticized it supposing how i described. Anything wrong? It seems you are disturbed. A movie cannot be criticized? Saying this is a propogand video makes me paranoid?? Isnt it a propogand video? Actually nearly all movies carry a message.

 

How many people worship him as a God?Where is your evidence or source?Give me some examples of people who is worshipping Atatürk? You can suspect whatever you want, i have also many suspects for you that i cleared before .

 

I think the attributes "worshipping to Atatürk" & "Atatürk as God" are the ones people like you use many times to accuse people and the ones who tries to humiliate Atatürk. There is respect for Atatürk of course and thats the problem of that ones including you .



Thread: Real Ataturk or Western-backed plot?

1045.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Nov 2008 Mon 02:13 am

I havent watched the film as i am abroad, but i have received several e-mails regarding this film. All the e-mails nearly says the same that this film is a part of a propogand of Atatürk trying to show him alcoholic, a man with psychological disorder, ill-tempered, a coward dictator who was trying to revenge of Salonica instead of wellfare of the Turkish nation. And the excuse is that film was trying to show the human Atatürk, also their claim is that Atatürk is idolized like God same like the claim of Islamists.

 

These reminds me the expressions of imperialists about Atatürk and the comments of racist Armenians and also this forum . If the film is like that, surely needs to be criticized. Btw i was watching Dündar on tv laterly trying to reply the criticims, he was very positive and flattering on tv. Whats the issue? "Turks need a "fairy tale about Atatürk" so he has shown like a superman, but we showed the human Atatürk". Thats simply absurd,  Is Turkish Republic a fairy tale? Ohh we did not know he was a human, thank all, they reminded and educated us. I always wonder how Atatürk done all that things if he was human, i was thinking he was from another galaxy . Anyway i havent seen anyone worshipping Atatürk in all my life unfortunately but seen people trying to use him. It is very-well known that he was smoking, drinking, irreligious even a fan of Fenerbahçe and that was not hurting anyone except bigots, but the problem is now; someones trying to represent these things hurtful as a part of propogand. Besides whats the aim of criticising his private life? He had died, let people talk about what he left behind instead. But of course these are not related things that they dislike about Atatürk and no wonder some people very well know what are those, and why they dislike Atatürk ...

 

Lastly shame on sneaky people who tries to commemorate Atatürk on 10 November or 29 October with his drinkings, smokings instead of his leadership, his revolutions...



Thread: Women’s right to beat husbands backed

1046.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 11:13 pm

 

Quoting cedars

It is an international NGO that cooperates with the united nations so supposedly the information should be reliable!

 

 Of course it is exaggrated... hmmm UN reliable?? It is to say something like US reliable . How do they calculated the 90%? According to surveys which was asked to 100 women from newspapers who were suffered from husband violence? As i lived in many parts of Turkia because of my job and my father´s job, i can say thats no different than the oher countries except the south east part where the system is feodalism dominated by Kurds...

 



Thread: How do you picture your TC friends

1047.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 11:07 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 It´s feel good Friday, Armegon....someone will think of something nice to say about you sooner or later...or maybe you can just say something nice about yourself!  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Ohh Eli the silly joke queen, if i need some flattering, i will bow down to the gang but definately im always oppositinal ....



Thread: Women’s right to beat husbands backed

1048.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 07:02 pm

 

Quoting cedars

Domestic violence is a grave problem in turkey with as many as 90% of turkish women experience violence at the hands of their husbands and boyfriends.
...

 

 Oh yeah, nearly all turkish women walking around with a purple eye the whole day ...



Thread: How do you picture your TC friends

1049.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Nov 2008 Fri 06:57 pm

It seems this is a thread of flattering each other ...



Thread: America Votes 2008

1050.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 10:30 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

U.S.Election Day

How you call the election results...

 

 Ja, we know, Turkish tvs broadcasting live for 24 hours, what a mockery{#lang_emotions_head_bang}



Thread: e-t asap

1051.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 10:24 pm

"Soner, Nimet teyze þimdiye kadar mesajýma cevap vermiþmidir acaba?" seems more suitable for Turkish.

 

btw caliptrix my nick is armegon{#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: e-t asap

1052.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 10:08 pm

Soner, Nimet teyzenin mesajýma cevap vermiþ olma ihtimali var mý?



Thread: turk to eng please

1053.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 09:44 pm

He/she was not my love but a very good friend.



Thread: What are you listening now?

1054.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 06:55 pm

Aþkýn Nur Yengi-Sýramý Bekliyorum



Thread: What is your mood today?

1055.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Nov 2008 Tue 12:13 pm

Stressed  {#lang_emotions_head_bang}



Thread: Annemarie Schimmel´s "obsession" with Rumi

1056.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Nov 2008 Mon 11:50 pm

So what? Are all these claimed as respected scholars of Islam of their time and tried to direct people´s religion ? Pay attention the expression in my post "if you claim you are muslim". You mixing up again religious works with the others and mesnevi is known to be religious work. Today you can also find many written pornographic stories. In addition today for example homosexuality is very common in Saudi Arabia and people felt nothing wrong about the things they did. Besides do not tell me homosexuality, having sex with animals etc are publicly free in the time of Ottomans.

 

Im talking about the norms of Islam, not the norms of their time. So instead of advising me to read the stories you mentioned and trying to display how intellectuel you are, firstly you need to learn to read carefully...



Thread: Annemarie Schimmel´s "obsession" with Rumi

1057.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Nov 2008 Mon 09:50 pm

Whats the common mistake you talking about? I think having sex with animals, group sex, incest and adultery are forbidden nearly in all cultures thus universal, these are extreme and the Celaleddin´s way of using language is shameful. Are these the object lessons that he used to educate people claiming that these are the inspirations of Allah?

 

Of course im looking through the window of spirituality and people also, because Celaddin used Islam and he was introduced to muslims as an Islamic philosopher through the centuries. And of course he has some good art like poetry and literature but i just pointed out calling him Mevlana and following his teachings is wrong if you claim you are muslim because according to book of muslims, only Mevla is Allah. It is not so much important that many people visit his tomb and pray to him insead of Allah, many people also visit tellibaba or any other tomb to wish but this does not change the fact that these are superstitions. 

 

Regarding the issue of morals, i agree to some extent that some moral values differs culture to culture, but unfortunately people of that time also bounded with the moral values of Islam that does not change really. Lastly do not mix other characters with Celaleddin since he used Islam, actually thats the common mistake...



Thread: Annemarie Schimmel´s "obsession" with Rumi

1058.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Nov 2008 Sun 12:36 am

Celaleddin claims mesnevi is the essence of Quran and inspiration from Allah, in other words these perverted stories in mesnevi are the words of Allah, he says "we took the essence of Quran and threw the rest in front of the dogs" and some muslims call this lunatic Mevlana, what an ignorance...



Thread: e to t please - just a short one

1059.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Oct 2008 Sun 12:02 am

(Name)´e adresini verebilir misin? Ben de eve gidince sana yazarým. Sana mesaj atacaðým ve de arayacaðým.



Thread: any clue?

1060.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 11:47 pm

meaningless...

But if it is "hepsi böðürtlen suyu", then it means "all of them blackberry juice"



Thread: short Turkish-English translation please

1061.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 04:57 pm

Brother, there was a message speaking of like if you become waterless in a desert, i water you etc. Can you send this message to me? Then i will email it to the girl.



Thread: Great forum

1062.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 04:42 pm

You welcome too, CANLI



Thread: Who have you met in real life?

1063.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 02:35 pm

Nobody...{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}



Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

1064.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 12:49 am

 

Quoting teaschip 

There has been court decisions and admissions years ago, in fact Prime Minister Damat Ferid Pasha placed the blame on the young turks. Even an interview Ataturk back in 1926 stated the Young Turks should be made to account for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en mass from their homes and massacred. 

 

Lack of history knowledge unfortunately  

 



Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

1065.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Oct 2008 Sat 12:44 am

 

Quoting teaschip

Vatican City

 

 lol {#lang_emotions_lol_fast} and Armenia



Thread: Please translate I tried but I dont think it is correct!!

1066.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 02:50 am

Turkish sentence wrong written,  there verb should be "sormak" not "sarmak" so,

 

If a rain drop means "i love you" and if you asked me how much i love you, then believe me it would rain everyday.



Thread: Please help.. turkish to english

1067.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 01:12 am

Im fine, i miss you very much baby

 



Thread: Turkish to Eng please - only short

1068.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 01:07 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Büyük ihtimalle 9 aralýkta bir haftalýk olacak, hangi uçak bileti alabileceðime baðlý - bu senin için uygunsa. Herhalde çalýþacaðýný anlýyorum fakat ben tabii alýþveriþe çýkabilirim

 

Büyük ihtimalle 9 aralýk olacak bir haftalýðýna / bir hafta için...

 

More understandable i think, when i read yours, it reminds me an expression of pregnancy



Thread: Turkcell numbers??

1069.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2008 Wed 02:51 pm

Try like: 090 535 or +90 535



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank You

1070.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2008 Wed 02:01 am

Welcome...

Yes, looks like lyrics of an arabesk music.



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank You

1071.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Oct 2008 Wed 01:27 am

Neither i want the stars to my midnights nor i want the sun to my darkness.



Thread: Lütfen, eng > tur, short, thanks!!

1072.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 04:33 pm

 

Quoting sara-dk

Much appreciated!!

 

You have to tell me what to do,

so you don´t feel afraid of losing me.

 

 Ne yapacaðýmý söylemen lazým, böylece beni kaybetmekten korkmazsýn.



Thread: turkish military and girls

1073.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 09:49 am

 

Quoting Noi

tell me how long for turkish male to have their military obligation?is it a must?hope you can inform me...teþekkür ederim

 

15 months for regular soldiers, 12 months for university graduates as sublieutenant, 5 months for again university graduates as sergeant...



Thread: Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism

1074.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 01:26 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well, USA and the west DO NOT OWN the concept of democracy.

 

Hmm nice way of twisting . Unfortunately they claim they are the castles of democracy. I havent said we should be against the democracy, im against the concept of democracy which they dictated to other countries and how they use democracy, humanism, freedom as an excuse to disconcert countries as once nationalism was used to divide countries. And im against their more democrat, humanist, arrogant liberal servants(that you continously quote their articles here ) in Turkia, capish?



Thread: Falafel War

1075.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 11:32 am

 

Quoting cedars

I wonder if falafel is an Ottoman dish after all !!!

 

I havent come up a dish felafel in Turkia and im not sure about the Ottoman, but i know its very popular dish in Arabic countries



Thread: Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism

1076.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 11:21 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

What is hapenning in Iraq is ´the lowest for of imperialism´.

What is got to do with our republic´s struggle to reach to  full democracy (which was Ataturk´s ultimate goal too)?

I am not advocating moderate Islam here at all.But the real issue here is that, if you created a regime and if that regime can whitstand ONLY with the armed forces, something has gone wrong there.

 

Oh Really?Whats their slogan while they were invading Iraq? Democratizing... whats their slogan for Turkey? Again democracy. And we see Iraq divided into parts now a bloody lake. Of course they have different plan to democratize each country. whats happening in Turkia now? A covered war is being experienced. Btw what do you think about a country who always interfering the internal affairs of other countries?

 

You saying the same thing with the so-called neo-liberals in Turkia who always parroting the exact expressions  with Neo-Cons in US as they have invented these ideology; "we do not support the moderate Islam" however the term moderate Islam is invented by their Aða Babalarý .  And I havent say that only the army protects regime besides...



Thread: Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism

1077.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:40 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well

If you had something and if that ´thing´ can whitstand with the armed forces ONLY.

It can not be called democracy..can it?

 

 I try to mention only official foundations not the public, then moderate Islam(how can it be i dont know) is democracy, is it really? We experienced their understanding of democracy in Iraq, didnt we?



Thread: Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism

1078.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 10:26 am

 

Quoting catwoman 

But of course, I understand why CIA might want Turkey to be an islamic republic under US control.

 

Surprised too , anyway kitty its not about if there is enough respect or anyother religion. They are not related to freedom of religion, actually they had chosen Kemalism and nation state as a target, and thats just a cover for this like the expressions of democracy, freedom, humanism etc. that their inside are emptied.

Pentagon ordered a report to the Rand Corporation according to the personal judgements of CIA agent Muller named "The Prospects for Islamic Fundamentalism in Turkey" which draws a new path for Turkia called moderate Islam lol, Turkish Armed Forces of course rejected it and thats why there is continuing defamation campaign as a tool psychological war over TSK that are adhered their oaths to the Republic of Turkia. Actually now, the only foundation in Turkey withstand these, is the Armed Forces.



Thread: Between Neo-Ottomanism and Kemalism

1079.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Oct 2008 Mon 03:28 am

 

Quoting Roswitha

I was not aware  that there is a word called Neo-Ottomanism.

 

Yes there is, which is an invention of Neo-Cons after cold war ceased according to the duty of Turkia in New World.

Former CIA´s Middle east headman Graham Fuller explains this: "Kemalism died. I think it is good that Kemalism came to an end. The big part of public in Turkey needs more respect for Islam, and wants to hug the history of Ottoman Empire"

 

which is Neo-Ottomanism , tabi yersen, TSK þimdilik yemedi...

 



Thread: turkish military and girls

1080.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Oct 2008 Sun 12:07 am

Girls can only be officer in Turkish army, as far as i know there are many in Turkish Air Forces...



Thread: A not private translation :-) E-T please

1081.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Oct 2008 Sun 12:02 am

 Sayýn Ýlgili,

 

Sizi rahatsýz ettiðim için üzgünüm. Ben Macaristan´Ã½n Pecs Üniversitesinde öðrenciyim. Ýletiþim-medya ve etnografya fakültesinde eðitim görmekteyim. Üniversitemizde yayýn yapan bir gazetemiz var ve ben orada gönüllü olarak çalýþmaktayým. 2010 Avrupa Kültürel Baþkentleri hakkýnda diðer bir bakýþ açýsýný yansýtan bir makale yazmak istiyoruz. Bildiðiniz gibi, þehriniz Ýstanbul ve benim þehrim Pecs bu hakký kazanan üç þehirden ikisi. Bu yüzden sizin bu proje hakkýndaki görüþleriniz, duygularýnýz ve deneyimlerinizle ilgileniyoruz. Yapmýþ olduðunuz programlarla ilgili ne gibi izlenimleriniz var? Pecs kenti hakkýndaki izlenimleriniz nelerdir? Gençler programlarýnýzda ne gibi roller üstleniyor? Bu sorularýmý cevaplarsanýz çok memnun olacaðým. Bizim üniversitede gazetemiz var, bu nedenle Ýstanbul´daki öðrencilerin de fikirlerini merak ediyoruz.

Ýlginize teþekkür ederim.

 

Saygýlarýmla

XX

 

ps: Not a one by one translation but gives same meaning i guess. btw why dont you send this in English?Im sure they will understand .

 

just a quick note for you; too much time to 2010 and if i know Turks that they wont do anything till they have less time,  in Turkish we say "yumurta kapýya dayanýncaya kadar"

Quoting ay07

I didn´t have much luck with my english letter. Could someone please translate it to me into turkish? It would be important for me... I think it´s not a bad thing if we are opened to each others experiences and culture.so i would be happy if i would get answer from those who i wrote to....therefore CAN U PLEASE TRANSLATE IT TO ME??? Lütfen....{#lang_emotions_flowers}

 

 

Dear Madam/ Sir.

 

Sorry to disturb you. I´m a student of the University of Pécs in Hungary.My faculty is communication & media and ethnography.We have a newspaper of the university, where i´m a non-profital journalist. We would like to write an article about the European Cultural Capital 2010 project from other view. As you know, your city Istanbul and my city Pécs are the two cities of the three winners. Therefore we are interested in your opinion, your feelings and your experiences about this project. Which kind of impressions you have from the programmes what you had and do u have any impressions about our city,Pécs?. Does the youth take part in the programmes? I would be very grateful if someone could answer me for a few question. We are a student-newspaper, so we would be curious about the students opinion in Istanbul also.

Thank you in advance

Your sincerely,

XY

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

1082.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Oct 2008 Sat 01:24 am

Myriam Fares-Waheshni Eah



Thread: English to Turkish please....

1083.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Oct 2008 Sat 01:20 am

 

Quote:

Thank you soo much!!!! x

 

 Stealth mode again {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}



Thread: What are you listening now?

1084.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 10:36 pm

Ebru Gündeþ-Kaçak



Thread: Exchange Chinese ,Uyghurçe or German for Turkish

1085.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 10:33 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

No! It was not me, but Aenigma, and the incident was quite different, not the way you described it.

 

 



Thread: Ýlker Baþbuð

1086.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 03:04 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Sounds like an immediate need for a change in the constitution!!

 

Unfortunately cannot be changed, a change in those means changing the regime that leads a civil war.

Btw do not forget, Turkish Army brought into being this country and established the Republic so of course they made these laws of constitution, like it or not...



Thread: Ýlker Baþbuð

1087.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 03:00 am

Had this Arif Verimli and other respected psychiatrists examined the mental situation of our dearest PM after the Deniz Feneri Fraud while he was blackmailing the whole media?

 

There were little terrorist actions during a regular period of years before AKP had come to power, we are very grateful they are very democratic and humanistic that they unvalidated the terror law and they demobilized the professional soldiers who were very experienced in terror depending on the EU orders. And we come to this point again, i think these are so far our good days...



Thread: Ýlker Baþbuð

1088.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:41 am

 

Quoting zbrct

We will be more happy if Turkish army spends more time in securing Turkish borders against PKK terrorists besides interfering in politics.

 

We will be more happy if our PM did not say "PKK is not our enemy" and we will be more happy if our government compromised with the army instead of fully compomising the legal PKK Barzani ... They dont write these news in that newspaper, do they?



Thread: Kalp kalbe karþý derler

1089.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 12:26 am

 

Quoting ZulfuLivaneli

Anyone willing to share some links to other melancholic songs??

 

Nilüfer

 

Böyle ayrýlýk olmaz

haram geceler

kavak yelleri



Thread: What is your mood today?

1090.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 03:00 am

 

Quoting catwoman

We can thank our lovely member Erdinc for his slander in this case and how he asked some teachers to leave the site.

 

any other comment cant be expected from you moreover, i dont know him well but i remember that i witnessed he was being praised by you, then a sharp u-turn, all his contribution here to wastebasket, sometimes being silence is better for the sake of his contribution. Im sure you will say the similar things behind us...

 

Quoting peacetrain

 I don´t know anything about your claim but , in any event, you credit Erdinç with too much power.

 

 i dont know him well but whats the power of Erdinç here?



Thread: Kalp kalbe karþý derler

1091.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 02:12 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

He should go back to fulltime doctor.

 

 Bence de {#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: eng-turkish short sms please

1092.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 01:57 am

 

Quoting red1

you are not being fair to me. Why do you have to spoil everything? Soon you will go and it will be too late to change anything. Was I wrong about you?

 

 Bana karþý dürüst deðilsin. Her þeye neden zarar vermek zorundasýn? Yakýnda gideceksin ve bir þeyleri deðiþtirmek için geç olacak. Hakkýnda yanýlýyor muyum? 



Thread: short turk - eng

1093.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 01:42 am

inverted sentence with no punctuation mark, my second is not correct, do not consider, most possibly lir´s is correct...



Thread: Kalp kalbe karþý derler

1094.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 01:31 am

Exactly excellent song especially girl´s voice and the violin part however too much melancholy, makes pessimistic...



Thread: short turk - eng

1095.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Oct 2008 Thu 01:24 am

who knows, this is my last saying perhaps, maybe the last farewell.

everyday a piece of heart was injured, do not forget while you are leaving.



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1096.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 11:30 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

haha

what is got to do with doctrine of Islam?

it could have been the doctrine of pasta religion

 

 Yes, you are right that could be also the doctrine of pastamaria religion , because logic says so if you believe in God and justice...



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1097.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 10:44 am

 

Quoting amnariel

Honestly, but really really honestly and from a critical and questioning point of view to the christianity - some of those things (commandments, rules, guidelines) are very confusing. You cannot be saved merely by believing in Jesus, that is a fact. Human kind was saved by Jesus trough his sacrifise, but when you look at that from todays perspective... it didn´t last too long, didn´t it. World is a corrupted and evil place.

 

 The one you try to explain there in your post, more looks like the doctrine of Islam {#lang_emotions_wink}



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1098.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 10:41 am

 

Quoting amnariel

Can someone please tell me how was the Holy Bible corrupted? I´ve heard this a few times, and when I asked how, in which way, no one knew to explain me furtner than "Quran says so" {#lang_emotions_confused} {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Can you prove the opposition rather than "christians says so"? muslims believe gospels are the halucinations of Paul as well as christians believe Quran is the halucinations of Muhammed. So choose one to believe or none of them, free-will ...



Thread: Inmate brain dead after alleged torture

1099.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:40 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Just seen in the news. Justice minister publicly accepted the incident and apologized on behalf of Turkish state and the government. (I think it is the first time ´the state is apologizing´

 

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Default.aspx?aType=Detay&ArticleID=903307&Date=15.10.2008&CategoryID=77

 

Özrü kabahatinden büyük ...

 



Thread: ohaaa

1100.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:27 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

yes it`s true. you see how fascist these Turks are, they don`t even allow people to use cell phones on busses.

 

 

seriously, what is so weird about this that made you say "ohaa"?

 

 



Thread: Very good article about the current position about Terrorism in Turkey

1101.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:25 am

I have read this article before, very well written indeed and can be understood by public clearly, but these had been said/written maybe thousands of time through the period of AKP, so it will gather no way to solution if public do not awake and do not sell their votes. Btw the biggest part of this problem is caused by politicians rather than army. 



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1102.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:15 am

 

Quoting amnariel

 

Every person, baptised or not, christian or not, will be judged by her/his deeds and actions, how much good did she/he did in life, how many times choose the harder way just because that was the honest way. I believe that ALL good people will go to Heaven, so our DEEDS will be judged, not US. Hope this makes sense to someone else, not just me

 

Are these the doctrine of christianity? As far as i know in christianity only salvation is Jesus Christ not deeds. And Jesus´ sacrifice saves people, according to Pavlus(Paul) Abraham was saved through faith, Noah was saved through faith, so it seems in christianity faith in Jesus Christ carries importance rather than deeds.

 

This also discussed in Bibles, see the below passages, choose one to believe , Christians had chosen Paul;

Quote:

Pavlus:

“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”(Romans/3:2
“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”(Galatians/3:23)

Jacob:

“But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.”(Jacob/1:25)

Pavlus:

“Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:” (Romans/3:22)

Jacoob:

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”(Jacob/2:14)

Pavlus:

“Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith”(Romans/3:3

Jacoob:

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”(Jacoob/2:19)

Pavlus:

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”(Romans/4:3)

Jacoob:

“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?”(Jacoob/2:20-21)

Pavlus:

“for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.”(Romans/4:9)

Jacoob:

“Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?”(Jacoob/2:22)



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1103.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Oct 2008 Wed 02:07 am

 

 

Quoting catwoman

So it looks like the two of you have different answers... Didn´t someone say before that Islam has clear answers?

 

 I think i explained this here;below ..

Quoting armegon

It seems whitepath confused , actually he is looking at the single verses not seeing the big picture of Quran. It is clear from the Quran(98:1-3, 5.69, 7:157, 2:135-137) that the belief in one Creator and the Last day should be in accordance and conformity with Quran.

Believing in one Creator is the main message of Quran, if you have submitted to one God and if the description of God do have confirmity with the Quran(actually Quran claims it is confirmation of all other holy books which was not corrupted, means the ones who once believed that holy books were also muslims according to Quran) that means you are also muslim and these verses herald that there is a reward for them regardless of religion that they say to believe thus giving a name of one´s religion carries no importance. And of course only God knows what is in heart. 2:135-137 describes this well, i think;

Quote:

2:135-137 They say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided" Say, "Nay, we follow the religion of Abraham, the upright. He associated no one with  One True God." And Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian.
O you who believe, say, "We believe in Allah and the Revelation that has been conveyed to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob as well as the tribal Israelite Prophets; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among them since all of them were one in Purpose and they got their guidance from One True God. And for Him, we are Muslims."
So, if they come to believe in the way you believe, they will be rightly guided. But if they turn away, they will be falling into opposition and Allah will be Sufficient for you against them. He is the Hearer, Knower of all things and events. 

 

 



Thread: Will non-Muslims go to heaven too?

1104.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 10:46 am

It seems whitepath confused , actually he is looking at the single verses not seeing the big picture of Quran. It is clear from the Quran(98:1-3, 5.69, 7:157, 2:135-137) that the belief in one Creator and the Last day should be in accordance and conformity with Quran. Such verses emphasize that giving a name of one´s religion or creed carries no importance. Besides the word muslim means "the one who submitted to God". And i think his definition of sabians seems wrong to me also .



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1105.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Oct 2008 Sun 01:01 am

 

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think you completely lost the plot in this post

Not so much important, i havent seen here so many members adhered to the subject including you. Thats just a reply to your "purpose questions" which came to my mind while i was writing .

Quoting thehandsom

I did not call you racist, btw. I just reminded that no racist calls themselves racists generally..They always call themselves patriotic.

 

 You dont need to remind me these if it is not an allusion.

Quoting thehandsom

But if you call me a kurdish racist,  it will be quite peculier as I am not Kurdish at all..

I think we had talked this before, you dont need to be Kurd to be Kurdish racist or Kurdish nationalist. Can you find pure blood Kurds ?

 

Quoting SPEEDY_GUNAYI

{#lang_emotions_bigsmile} Lol i think they mean you are racist towards Kurd not actually a Kurd yourself {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

 lol {#lang_emotions_lol_fast} 



Thread: english to turkish, please check. Thank you

1106.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:33 am

Correct  - Bana kýzgýn mýsýn?

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Thread: Four Season

1107.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:31 am

Spring of course{#lang_emotions_super_cool}



Thread: Urgent, lütfen bana yardým edebilir misiniz?

1108.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 02:29 am

Babam seni göreceðim için mutlu, ama acil bir durum olabilir diye, Ýzmir´de ziyaret edeceðimiz açýk adresi istediðini söyledi. Ona söyledim Ýzmir´e gidip gitmeyeceðimizi bile bilmiyorum ancak hala adresi istiyor yoksa benim gitmeme izin vermeyecek. Biliyorum aptalca ama hatýrým için lütfen bana ona verebileceðim bir adres söyle ya da þimdi söyle veya enkýsa zamanda bana yaz, çünkü babam þakaya gelmez, ve devamlý olarak Ýzmir´de herhangi bir yeri ziyaret ettiðimiz takdirde adrese ihtiyacý olduðunu söylüyor. Benim dairemin adresini biliyor. Eðer vermek istemiyorsan, bu durumda lütfen ona verip susturabileceðim bir adres uydur. Gerçekten önemli. Henüz ona adresi vermedim ve o öfkeli.

 

ps: For the second-time; take care of yourself. And if u dont mind, my little advice is; do not delude your dad, have a good vacation... 

Quoting *Carla Louise*

´´ My dad is happy that I will see you, but he said that he would like the address that we would visit if we go to Izmir, in case there is an emergency. I told him I don´t know if we go Izmir but he says he still needs an address or he won´t let me go. I know it´s silly, but for my sake please tell me an address that I can give to him, either tell me now or by text as soon as possible, because my dad can be serious man and he keeps saying I need an address in case we visit anywhere in Izmir. He knows my apartment address. If you don´t want to give, then please just create an address that I can give to him to keep him quiet. Is really important. He is angry I not give him address yet. "

 

Þimdiden çoook teþekkür ederim.  

 

 



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1109.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Oct 2008 Sat 12:52 am

 

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

So are you saying that ´liberalism and political correctness´ are supressing the brits-or thye west-?

 

 Yep, ver good at least you perceived. What do you think when they mean to say by the word "integrate"? Thats a hidden way

Quoting thehandsom

so that their understanding of freedom is just ´to drink drugs, can sleep each night with different man/woman, wearing ridiculous cloths´?

Please clarify..

 

 No, i think i explained them when i responded to peacetrain, read please.

Quoting thehandsom

(ps..just a quick note..I have seen very little number of racists accepted publicly as ´Yes. I am racist´. Even Nazis called themselves nationalist)

Very good, then you wont get offended when i call you Kurdish racist as you call me racist. Please do us more literature to show how poor Kurds killed by Turks.

 

Btw when we taught Pamuk how to count, you call us racist or when we explain the purpose of mrs mitterand, you got angry, you called us two-times racist{#lang_emotions_razz}. But you ignore the fact, after the first gulf war, US released Saddam on Kurds and we accepted that refugees in our country who escaped from the cruelty of Saddam, mrs mitterand was again also there, she was very merciful, she took a few refugees to her country, looking at their teeth what a wonderful show, saved the humanity. But whats our reward after we fed up and protected that refugees, after we paid billions of money? The tragedy caused by US, returned us back an international agenda of Kurdish issue firstly. And after the second gulf war, that people whom we fed up and protected, threatening us by the hands of Barzani, we know have a legal PKK called Barzani .

 



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1110.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2008 Fri 11:39 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Is it what you think of the west and is it the only perception you managed to get from the west?

And people who understood and praised you about your last paragraph. And you approve this ? eh?

The freedom for you is just drink, drugs and sleeping with different partners every nights?

 

(I am not going to go to what perception of ´a free woman  from the west´ can be for a Turk according to this angle)

Thats your very-well donated perception if you understand these from my post, monseiur thehandsom .

 



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1111.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2008 Fri 09:14 pm

 

 

Quoting peacetrain

This is my observation of some members and it does seem to be an attempt to discredit counter arguments.

 

 Agreed, here even Mrx67 was called nationalist/racist, ironic

Quoting peacetrain

 Whilst I understand what you´re trying to say here, some may misconstrue what you are saying.  I presume you aren´t saying all act this way, because we don´t. 

 

Ja, i know, some can take that part of my writing and can contort my post ignoring the gist of it.  And you are right i dont presume all like that but that was just a point of morals regarding the abused freedom issue related to my observations. Happy to see people like you who see my point of view{#lang_emotions_ty_ty}



Thread: 6 More deaths :(

1112.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Oct 2008 Fri 06:04 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 According to you, anyone speaks against you is racist, and patronising... Because you are the symbol of modenist democratic society

 

I try to read the thread from the beginning and i stopped on page 13 that i guess it will come to this point again (actually it come to this point on first page).

 

According to them all Turks are racist(cw mentioned this clearly), brainwashed, paranoid and close-minded . I think she is happy to start an argument like this, actually when one sees her posts on this forum, it should be clearly understood that her aim is to provoke and i agree with Merih that she got bored , in every thread she tries to scratch Turk-Kurd or Islam issue, and spoils the threads.

 

I think they are more paranoid than real paranoiacs. They are very uncomfortable with the muslim community and Turks in their country(in fact they want to say they are terrorists but cannot because it is forbidden and they are awfully liberal so they cannot say what they think clearly; these poor people except some exceptions. Precisely they endure in silence and got bored and try to find another way to attack like web)

 

There are always instigations and agitations in their community created by media. In first place media creates fear, then they supress it with liberalism and political correctness which opens a way to upgrade instigations. An avarage Brit cant say anything to this because of a fear of being called racist and facist so they got bored much. I was labelled racist here many times in fact im not racist and no relation with them , but then i understood they call every Turk or everyone like that if they dont like their thoughts. In case there is much pressure on them, there is no freedom of speech for this poor people to say what they think. They think freedom is to drink drugs, can sleep each night with different man/woman, wearing ridiculous cloths bla bla, even they dont know the meaning of freedom.



Thread: Please help E - T

1113.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Oct 2008 Fri 06:08 pm

Merhaba sevgilim,

 

Günün nasýldý? Seni hala bütün kalbimle özlüyorum!!

 



Thread: friend needs help with this one?? T to E please

1114.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Oct 2008 Fri 06:03 pm

Welcome ...

But need to guess that this kind of bad Turkish, can only come from a 6s fan



Thread: English to turkish please.....

1115.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Oct 2008 Fri 06:00 pm

I now appreciated you Marion ...



Thread: Famous Turkish - Azeri Song of the Day in Türkiye

1116.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Oct 2008 Fri 03:48 am

Sen de saðol yýlgün üstad...

Havent you still found a way to access ? Anyway, can also find them in other sites as mp3 or videoclip...

 

One here-Ay saci burma

 



Thread: english to turkish, one line only.

1117.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2008 Thu 11:39 pm

Mutluluk sevdiðinle birlikte olmaktýr.



Thread: friend needs help with this one?? T to E please

1118.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2008 Thu 11:22 pm

We love the girl who we have fallen into love in order to sleep on same bed lifelong rather than kiss intent. Its pleasure to cheat on who cheated, cheating on the one who loves, is such a treachery.

 

Something like that , i hope u understand...



Thread: My Curiosity - T-- >E

1119.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2008 Thu 11:12 pm

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

 Probably Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, so they changed it to the next longest word ... Yugoslavia. 

 

 There is no such country called Yugoslavia either



Thread: Famous Turkish - Azeri Song of the Day in Türkiye

1120.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2008 Thu 11:08 pm

Azeri folk songs of the century, enjoy Yýlgün-7

 

Sensiz Yaþayabilmirem

 

Ay Saçý Burma

 

Bu Daðdan Aþmak Olmaz



Thread: What are you listening now?

1121.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Oct 2008 Thu 04:08 pm

Kýzýlcýklar oldu mu-Candan



Thread: Acurse a spell i dont know what it is

1122.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Sep 2008 Tue 02:40 am

 

 

Quoting mltm

  

 "Büyü vardýr, yani tesir edebilir. Ancak haramdýr. Ýslam büyü ve büyücülüðü yasaklamýþtýr. Büyü öðrenenler hakkýnda Kura´an-ý Kerim þöyle buyurur:

"Kendilerine zarar verecek, faydalý olmayacak þeyleri öðreniyorlar." (Bakara Suresi:102)

The part you quoted my post, is not directed to you , anyway.

This is the famous verse 2:102 which people try to sculpture through the history in order to prove that büyü(btw i mean büyü by supernatural powers) exists in Kuran. If the people accept that büyü exists in Kuran, yields a crooked comment like "making büyü is haram but disfunctioning büyü can be" which opens a door for fake hocas to gain more money. Besides this claim also supported with concoted hadiths that the one you gave in your post, tries to show prophet was affected by büyü.

 

Actually this verse´s aim is not büyü but condemning the jews(as they were slandered to Solomon and fabricated a story) and the superstitions if one reads verses from the beginning. The part of verse you quoted that the thing Harut & Marut taught, can be interpreted differently, so one should look at the concept of Kuran before commenting. By the way this verse (Harut and Marut part) falls into group of "müteþabbih" verses which mentioned in 3/7 in Kuran. There are different comments on who Harut and Marut are, some say they are Babylonian kings(meliks), some say they are angels, some say a kind of symbolic language and metaphors used. Namely we cant say there is büyü in Kuran according to this verse, in fact we need to say there is no büyü in Kuran since its against the sunnetullah and sunnettullah never changes. In Kuran Allah allude that büyü is nothing but charlatanry(see parable of Musa).

 

If one says büyü is an art of "turning people into puppets whose all choices are taken from" using supernatural powers, that means you attribute divinity to the one who make büyü, which is completely þirk. And in that verse the thing revealed to Harut&Marut taught, is vague, can be anything except supernatural powers because of the reasons i mentioned above according to Kuran. And the rebellious ones(demons) teaching magic which was hoodwinking. We also understand from this verse that Babylon was a civilisation where superstitions were widespreaded and that idolatry tradition afftected the other civilisations , so it is comdemned by this verse.

 

Another example of so-called büyü is, hypocrites made a büyü(active propogand), and convinced people that Aisha made adultery so that new verses revealed. Then are "all the things happened" independent from people´s freewill? Of course not, they contributed to this slandering campaign by their free-will and desire.

 

So I think the entire story of Harut&Marut is "Hazaliat" nothing but falsehood. Magic, amulets, ghoul, demon possession, exorcism,witchcraft, fortune telling, evil eye, palm reading are nothing but conjecture. Superstitions can harm people by becoming self-fulfilling prophecies.

And an acceptable commentary of 2/102(in Turkish);

Quote:

Özet olarak bu ayetin manasi basindan sonuna kadar su sekilde anlasilmaktadir:

Yahudiler Kur’an’i yalanladilar ve ondan yüz çevirdiler. Kur’an’a karsilik Hz. Süleyman ve mülkü hakkinda, onlarin çarpik zihniyetli alimlerinden isittikleri hurafeler ve efsaneleri(1) yaymaya çalistilar. Hz. Süleyman (as)’in küfre girdigini iddia ettiler. Oysa Hz. Süleyman (as) küfre girmemisti. Fakat onlarin tabi olduklari seytanlari (önderleri) küfre girdiler ve insanlara sihri ögretmeye ve sihrin Harut ve Marut’a indigini iddia etmeye basladilar. O ikisini melek olarak isimlendirmislerdi. Onlara hiç bir sey indirilmedigi halde, insanlara kendilerinin salihlerden olduklari zannini yerlestirdiler. Halkin, onlari iyilik etmekten baska maksatlari olmayan ve kendilerini küfürden korumaya çalisan kimseler olduklarini sanmalari için ugrastilar. O ikisinden ögrendikleri hile ve desiseler, kendilerinin insanlar arasina tefrika sokabileceklerine halki inandiracak derecedeydi.

Görüyorsunuz ki ifadelerin hepsi burada zemm (kinama, yerme) içindir ve ayetin Harut ve Marut’un medhi, övgüsü hakkinda varid oldugu düsüncesi dogru degildir. Bunlarin yani yukaridaki sözlerimizin dogruluguna, Kur’an’in Allah indinden insanlara bir sey ögretmek için -peygamberlere indirilen vahiy disinda- yeryüzüne melek indirildigini reddetmesini gösterebiliriz. Kur’an, insanlara talim için kendi cinsinden birinin gönderildigini sarih nasslarla ortaya koymaktadir: "Senden önce, insanlarin disinda elçi göndermedik; onlara vahyediyorduk. Bilmiyorsaniz zikir/vahiy ehline sorunuz." (Enbiya 21:7) Yine Melek indirilmesi seklindeki istekleri Kur’an geri çevirmistir: "Ona bir melek indirilmeli degil miydi!," diyorlar. Bir melek indirseydik, is bitirilmis olurdu. Onlara zaman da verilmezdi." (En’am 6:8) Furkan Suresinde de Allah teala söyle buyurmaktadir: "Söyle dediler: "Bu ne biçim peygamber ki yemek yer, sokaklarda gezer? Ona, beraberinde bulunup uyaran bir melek indirilseydi ya! Yahut, kendisine bir hazine verilseydi, veya beslenecegi bir bahçe olsaydi ya!" Bu zalimler, inananlara: "Siz sadece büyülenmis bir adama uyuyorsunuz" dediler. Sana nasil misaller getirdiklerine bir bak! Onlar sapmislardir, yol bulamazlar." (Furkan 25:7-9)

 

 

Quoting mltm

 
Allah Resulü, aralarýnda þirkinde bulunduðu yedi büyük günah arasýnda büyü yapmayý da saymýþtýr.( Buhari, Vesaye;23)"

Kur´an-ý Kerim ve peygamberimizin hadislerinden bazý þeyler okuyarak yapýlmýþ büyüleri bozmak câizdir. Allah Resullüne yapýlan büyü felak ve nas süreleri okunarak bozulmuþtur.( Medariku´- Tenzil Felak Suresi)

 

These hadiths are clear cut slander to Kuran. You cant find any proof in Kuran that alludes prophet was under the effect of büyü. And Kuran clearly denies the claims of müþriks who said prophet was affected by büyü;

 

81/22: And your companion is not gone mad.

34/46: Say: I exhort you only the one thing, that rise up for Allah´s sake in twos and singly, then ponder: there is no madness in your fellow-citizen, he is only a warner to you before a severe chastisement.

7/184: do they not reflect? Their companion is not seized with madness, he is but a perspicuous warner.

 

Kuran also decipheres the ones who slandered to prophet by saying he is under the affect of büyü;

 

25/8-9: "Or(why) has not a terasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched." See what kinds of comparisons they make for thee! But they have gone astray, and never a waywill they be able to find!

17/47-48: We know best what it is they listen, when they listen thee; and when they meet in private, behold, the wicked say, "Ye follownone other than a man bewitched!" See what similes they strike for thee: bu they have gone astray, and never can they find a way.

 

Bu arada herkese iyi bayramlar ...



Thread: Acurse a spell i dont know what it is

1123.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Sep 2008 Sun 04:04 am

 

Quoting mltm

 In Islam "büyü" exists, and there are some prays, Quran verses to break the spell.

 

 In Islam "büyü, büyü yapmak, büyü bozdurmak" does not exist, and to believe this kind of superstitions are strictly forbidden.

 

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

Yes, such beliefs exist. Even the prophet Mohammed was under a spell once for months.

 

 Were you there while this was happening? Thats not the truth, no support except some concocted hadiths, in fact Quran clearly denies this.



Thread: Kandil

1124.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Sep 2008 Sun 02:45 am

Laylat al-Qadr the only holy night mentioned in Kuran, surah 97.

Geç kaldýk ama yine de mübarek olsun .



Thread: Islam in Turkey is make-believe

1125.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Sep 2008 Mon 12:31 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

If religion doesn´t offer an explanation of the origin of things then I must have read about Adam and Eve somewhere else lol.

 

Yeah you have to read more because religion(i mean the monotheist ones) accepts every single susbsistence, thing created by God firstly. And you are again talking about religious leaders instead of religion and science.



Thread: Creationist Adnan Oktar wins ban on Richard Dawkins site

1126.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Sep 2008 Mon 05:13 am

Harun Yahya , i think he is charlatan ... 



Thread: Islam in Turkey is make-believe

1127.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Sep 2008 Mon 05:09 am

Ben diyorum bayram haftası, siz anlıyorsunuz mantar tahtası lol. Firstly, religion do not try to explain the origins of anythings, it only accepts. Im talking about definitions, you are talking about history, superstitions and people who tried to explain mysteries using superstitions.

 

Besides there is a sharp difference between science and religion. It is clear that source, goal and method of scientific knowledge is different than religious knowledge. Scientific knowledge uses human intelligence as a source, its goal is to define and discover universe and its method is experiments whereas religious knowledge´s source is God, its goal is to make people live due human-being creation and its method is divine inspirations and prophets. So in religions the most important factor is faith. But also many philosophers think that faith is to be supported by wisdom and intellect. So people use science to observe universe not religion. Religion uses meta-physical knowledge in relations of God and people, which is not scientific. One is scientific knowledge, other not. Thats what i mean to say you confuse terms. Science and religion do overlap??,  this is about what you understand from the word "overlap", i think is not, since the methods and sources are different, thats why i said "science do not try to prove or disprove God" because science bounded with the laws of universe.

 

Surely people do not believe that is something known, because thats already known. So the knowledge related  to faith, has to be something that cannot be disproven, otherwise this is called superstition and then cognition supersedes into faith. People who do not perceive this and still believe superstitions are the ones you continously mention in your posts.

 

Finally religions do take subject as morality, meta-physics, object lessons and advices not the science. So we should look at religions in this perspective not like biology or physics. Thats my point...

Quoting Daydreamer

Of course science and religion overlap as they both try to explain the origin of things. Science does it by objective methods, religion posts a theory and requires that people believe it not asking for proves. Religion is an authocratic science where all proves can be limited to "because our Holy Book says so" - from the beginning of ages those who had scientific knowledge formed religious power and protected their knowledge from the public. Take the Egyptian priests at the times of pharaos - their scientific knowledge was impressive and often they´d use it as proof of divine presence.

 

Later on religion was used as a collection of rules of hygiene, social convenance and science - nobody would dare to question powerful religion mongers as they´d always refer them to THE BOOK. That´s still the case in religious countries, people agree to being made fools of hoping somebody will make it up to them after death.

 

 



Thread: Islam in Turkey is make-believe

1128.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Sep 2008 Sun 03:09 am

Science, tries to explain nature with physics and bio-chemical laws rather than divine powers, but the religion discusses these laws if these system of laws put in order by a divine power. That does not mean religion and science overlapping, the events you mentioned is a way people are using religion for their own good through the centuries with lack of information about universe that still causes problem today. Of course people used their beliefs in old ages to explain life, nature or universe because thats a way to question why they live in this world but in reality religion and science do not overlap. Sorry thehandsom i think you are again proven wrong.

 

And yeah amazingly there are billions of people in the world believing in various religions . All are brainless what a pity .



Thread: Islam in Turkey is make-believe

1129.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Sep 2008 Sun 12:40 am

Actually, thehandsom it seems you are now confusing the terms science & religion. Science is one thing and religion is another. Science is a method of obtaining true informations, explaining the matter and events using mathematics. Science is entire informations obtained via these methods. Science is related to nature, laws of nature not the laws beyond nature. This universe which we live in has standart laws. So human-being is bounded with that laws just like no thing can be faster than light, because of this proving or disproving & verifying or refuting a subsistence beyond nature with science seems impossible. Then you cannot prove or disprove God using science if the God is beyond the scientific formulas, senses and experiments. In that case God cannot be observed, cannot be explained mathematically. Because of this He is called God. And because of this many scientists do not mention their beliefs in their articles except some personal allusions. So this is belief and everybody is free to believe in God or not. People are researching through the centuries, whats the purpose of life, what will happen when we die, how life started on earth etc. People who thinks these are withstand to a subsistence beyond nature namely God, choose a religion for themselves, try to abide by its rules. Some rules which comes to you absurd, maybe very meaningful for another one, thats belief, and thats simple...



Thread: e-t asap

1130.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Sep 2008 Sat 04:17 am

Anlıyorum, eğer konaklama birimini, otel odasında kaldığıma dair bilgilendirmezsem, odada bıraktığım kişisel eşyalarım bir depolama firması tarafından 28 gün boyunca saklanacak. Eğer kişisel eşyalarımı 28 gün içerisinde firmadan almazsam, eşyalarım atılacak/elden çıkarılacak.

Quoting Ebbyru

Merhaba everyone, can someone translate a little bit of text for as soon as lutfen

 

 

 

"I understand that if I don´t inform the housing options that I´m not occupying the hotel room any personal belongings left in the hotel room will be stored by a storage company. ONLY FOR 28 DAYS. If I do not collect my belongings from the storage company within the 28 days my belongings will be disposed of".

 

teşekkürler to anyone that translates this for me

 

 



Thread: Winter voyage :)

1131.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Sep 2008 Sat 04:02 am

 

Quoting *Carla Louise*

 

He has a key, but not a car. Not very reliable, ha?

 

  lol, take care of yourself.

If you cant find any services to reach Didim, you can use Havaş services to reach otogar when you land to İzmir(as far as i know they have), then take a bus to Didim, prefer firms like Kamilkoç, Pamukkale or Varan but check the time, i think they lessen the number of buses in autumn. 



Thread: English-Turkish please

1132.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2008 Fri 12:56 am

Mesajın için teşekkürler.

Çok sevdiğin birinin çekip gitmesine izin vermek çok zor, bu dünyada dışarıda bir yerlerde senin için çok fazla incinen birinin olduğunu bile bile yaşamak çok zor. Ancak biliyorsun ki şu andan itibaren devam edemeyiz çünkü düşüncelerim değişti, eğer benim için beklemeye hazırsan, bana ikimiz hakkında düşünmem için zaman ver, sonra belki, belki sorunları halledebiliriz çünkü gerçekten seni çok seviyorum ve tabii ki biliyorum sen yanımda olmadan bu dünyada yaşamak zor olacak ama herşeyin düzgün olacağına emin olmak istiyorum. Sana karşı dürüst olmak istiyorum çünkü hakediyorsun. Eğer bana sadece düşünmem için zaman verirsen minnettar olurum, ama eğer vermek istemezsen, artık beraber olamayız. Sen telefonda ağlarken, birbirimiz hakkında düşünmem zor, zihnim net olamıyor, lütfen sadece seninle irtibata geçmemi bekle, söz veriyorum geçeceğim, bana güvenmelisin, sadece bana zaman ver Kürşat.

 

 

Quoting Amii

Thankyou for your message. 

It´s so hard when you love someone so much to let them go, so hard to live knowing that someone out there in this world is hurting for you so much. But you know we can´t go on now because my thoughts have changed, if your prepared to wait for me, give me time to think about us then maybe, just maybe we can work things out because really i love you so much, and yeah i know this world will be hard without you by my side but i want to be certain in my mind that everything will be okay. i want to be honest with you because you deserve that. If you just give me time to think about things then thankyou but if you don´t want to, then we can´t be together. It´s hard to think about us when your on the phone crying to me, i can´t be clear in my mind, just wait for me to contact you, i promise i will, you have to trust me, just give me time Kürşat. Quote:

 

 



Thread: english to turkish please

1133.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2008 Fri 12:27 am

Çok şükür ki, hala (bebeğin) görünüşünün değişmesi için zaman var.



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank You

1134.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2008 Thu 11:55 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

 My try

 I couldn´t separate from you for too long

This evening my work finishes at nine o´clock I will stay with you tonight.

 

 I think first sentence should be "I couldnt allocate too much time to you."



Thread: is this correct?

1135.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2008 Thu 05:25 pm

nikah şahidim



Thread: Germany convicts charity fraud suspects, passes ball to Turkey

1136.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2008 Thu 10:32 am

Germany convicts charity fraud suspects, passes ball to Turkey
A German court on Wednesday handed down its ruling in the so-called Deniz Feneri charity fraud case. The German judge passed the ball to the Turkish authorities, saying the masterminds of the fraud, which he said largest in the German history, are in Turkey. (UPDATED)

 

The Supreme Court of Frankfurt handed down a prison sentence of five years and 10 months for Mehmet Gurhan, the 45-year-old former director of the charity, and two years and nine months for Mehmet Taskan, 44.

   

The court ruled for the release of another suspect, Firdevsi Ermis, 40, with a suspended sentence of one year and ten months.

 

The three, of Turkish-origin, were found guilty of fraud for directing 14.5 million euros ($20.6 million) of funds raised by the Islamist-leaning Deniz Feneri (Lighthouse) charity among Germany´s large Turkish minority towards non-charitable ends.

 

The so-called Deniz Feneri charity fraud case was the biggest charity corruption case in Germany’s history, the Judge Jochen Mueller said Wednesday when he announced the ruling.

 

The German judge passed the ball to the Turkish authorities.

 

Mueller said Gurhan was mainly directed from Turkey, adding he had business affairs with some people from Turkey, including the head of the Turkish media watchdog, RTUK, Zahid Akman.

 

Zekeriya Karaman, one of Deniz Feneri Turkey´s founders and executive board chairman of Islamist Kanal 7 TV channel, has a leading role in the fraud, he added.

 

Turkey is ready to cooperate with the German authorities regarding the issue in the case that such a demand comes from Germany, Turkish Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Sahin told reporters on Wednesday.

 

A legal case was opened in Germany against the religious charity, Deniz Feneri, over claims of illegal financial transactions involving donated funds and fraud.

 

The fraud scandal widened to media groups close to the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and some Turkish bureaucrats. Even a suspect in the case claimed that funds from the charity were paid to Erdogan, a claim later ruled out by the court.

 

Source: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9916248.asp?gid=244&sz=61122

 

German prosecutor says real doers of this are in Turkia, but our prime minister RTE fighting with media, threatening and blackmailing the ones who serve these news, defending himself, everybody knows its roots withstands to AKP. Continue trying to cover this so-called muslims...



Thread: Missing persons at tc...

1137.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 06:25 pm

leander, aslı, KeithL...



Thread: Auschwitz of ´12 Eylul´

1138.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 05:25 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Why is it biased?

It is just a translation from a newspaper ´radikal´!

And it is not only one writer (and me) thinks that way on this subject.

There are many many turkish articles, web sites, columns regarding Diyarbakir jail.

Sometimes I really think if you REALLY are  living in Turkey at all!!

 

Why i need to rely on a columnist from Radikal? The events he mentioned most possibly true but gist of his writing is wrong so i do not agree, there are also many columnists, many articles who/which do not share the same same substances with him.

 



Thread: Auschwitz of ´12 Eylul´

1139.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Sep 2008 Tue 04:42 pm

12  Eylül & Auschwitz?? They are irrelevant, i think the thread title is exaggrated, a bad simile, one is part of a genocide, other one is a facist revolution(i think the one of the reason that create today´s government AKP). In "12 Eylül" ülkücü side used as a pawn, and the events started with Maraş incidents in 1978, target was Alevis, followed with the same incidents in Çorum. It is true that many people tortured during "12 Eylül" but as tamikidakika mentioned people who were tortured were mainly leftists labelled as communists, independent from race but also many ülkücü shared the same destiny. No need to say thehandsom´s thread is again biased, trying to justify PKK terrorism. 



Thread: 18 protestor students arrested

1140.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Sep 2008 Mon 03:44 am

 

Quoting catwoman

Tamiki, I think you should stick to expressing your own opinions, not opinions of other people!

 

 havent seen these kind of warnings before for the posts like below{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

Quoting thehandsom

 (and I am expecting armegon will post something such as ´ this is the mother of lies´ ) 

 

 



Thread: What are you listening now?

1141.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Sep 2008 Mon 12:46 am

Fikrimin ince gülü



Thread: please translate to turkish

1142.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Sep 2008 Mon 12:43 am

Bu kız onbir aydır seni bekliyor ve senin ona bütün söyleyebileceğin bu mu? Hala onunla yaşamak isteyip istemediğini bilmek zorunda / istiyor. Ve eğer istiyorsan bunu ona söylemelisin. O şu anda çok üzgün. Lütfen ona onu niye sevdiğini ve onun için neler hissettiğini söyle.



Thread: Wipe out muslim race (a game)

1143.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 12:24 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 Whatever you say DD, remember that ´we´ are always bad!

 

 And we are always racist



Thread: Wipe out muslim race (a game)

1144.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Sep 2008 Sun 12:22 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Who said you have to represent a religious group to be a terrorist? Definitely not me! I was just responding to your comment about Christian terrorists. First you claim there aren´t any that are recognised by the evil west, then when you´re proven wrong by Trudy you change your initial charge against west saying that you meant Christians killing Muslims. So, as INITIALLY you spoke about Bush and crusades, I commented on the situation in Iraq - even if you want to call them (the US and EU forces) terrorists, you can´t make them religious terrorists for the reason I stated.

 

So they are terrorists, evil west lol

 



Thread: ´Out of bed´ protest from women´

1145.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Sep 2008 Thu 03:21 am

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

This plot was also used in a very old turkish movie but there was a female who was orginizing and teaching the women in the village that came from a city

 

Thats the movie called Şalvar Davası by Şener Şen & Müjde Ar leading roles, very funny movie lol

http://www.sinematurk.com/film.php?action=goToFilmPage&filmid=6071



Thread: A threath as PM

1146.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Sep 2008 Wed 01:02 am

Interesting threat thread lol

 

//Program for saving Trudy´s machine...

 

SAVETRUDY st=new SAVETRUDY;

 

if(st.checkmachines(trudycomp,thehcomp)==TRUE){

 

st.terminate(c);

 

else {

 

cout<<"Dont worry Trudy, program is fake";

 

}

 

{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 



Thread: An aniversary/ 6-7 september 1955- Istanbul Pogrom

1147.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 11:10 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

You have different type of defence mechanism here and I am trying to make sense out of what it might be.. lol..
When I criticise American or British policies, most of the Americans or British people will say that "unfortunately it is true we have done those things as a country and I am ashamed of those incidents" and they will say it was our administration/PM  at the time etc.. But nobody will treat those incidents as if it was done by another country or as if their president/PM was from the Mars as you do..
You are treating this incident as if Adnan Menderes was from Ermenia..
He was the PM, he was representing  Turkey and he used dirty deep state for this incident.
Why dont you simply say that "Yes we have done it; we are guilty for it; we are ashamed of it and we are sorry for it".

Why is this so difficult for you?

Regarding "For the sake of crucifix" thread, please say something about the content of my translation. Dont pull down your defence mechanism to a new level when you have nothing to add!!
Regarding how wonderful we Turks are :


The rule is very simple .. we are not better than any nation and no nation is better than us..

Unfortunately,  it is difficult for the people, who grew up with chantings such as ´one turk is worth for the entire world´ and believed it without even questioning it, to comprehend what we really are.

 

thehandsom, i am all aware of what we done through the Republic history and i never hesitate to voice and criticize them. Read again what i wrote in my post, "These events are outrageousness for Turkia", be sure that i will say the same about the events of Maraş or about the massacre in Sivas, curse the ones who caused them just like this. So my post is just a reply to your baseless accusations.

As for the thread "For the sake of crucifix", thread is about massacres in Khojaly, and you again posted an irrelevant article mentioning special tax, 1915 relocation bla bla, instead of saying "Yes they have done it, they are guilty for it" (that you advised me ), which shows your routine hypocracy .

 

btw what happened to the site today? i couldnt access...



Thread: An aniversary/ 6-7 september 1955- Istanbul Pogrom

1148.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:01 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

(and I am expecting armegon will post something such as ´ this is the mother of lies´ ) 

 

 , i have just noticed this, Turkish-lover mr the handsom stoned me. As always he is biased, i remember i wrote something about the issue on a forum possibly at the same time with this article when this issue were popular on media, i think its like " The Incidents of 6-7 september was organized by government of DP later after army revolution DP leader and president Menderes judged, senteced to 6 years because of these incidents. These events are outrageousness for Turkia such a dirty collusion of Menderes government. These idiotic collusions made Turkia unright while she was rightful about the terrorist activities of EOKA in Cyprus. Later Turkia apologised and paid compensation to aggrieved ones"

Why i say these are lies, Menderes´s aim was to make Turkia little America which your beloved AKP and "çakma" liberals now nearly succeeded. I everytime say that Turkia has not been independent since 60´s, but you are unable to realize, i do not blame you, this is ur capability. Ohh btw dont accuse me with the samething that the agitations you made here to show how real Turks are by posting zillions of articles from the washington taraf . Remember the thread "For the sake of crucifix" which you show us how wonderful Turks are...



Thread: Abdullah Gül´s ´Yerevan expedition´

1149.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 07:22 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Do you now how many Armanians they killed?
Just because they were Armenians.

 

 Biggest lie ever...

Quote:

 APRIL 24, 1915

The Ottoman government, against numerous rebellions that began after 1890 and promptly following Armenian massacres which resulted in the murder of tens of thousands of Turks, contented with informing most important persons of Armenian congregation and Armenian deputies that "Government will take the necessary precautions if Armenians continue to stab in the back and assassinate the Turks". However, it became a necessity to secure behind the borders because the army was in war at various fronts, the events did not stop but increased and assaults towards defenseless Turkish women and children increased.

With this aim, on April 24, 1915 the Armenian Committees were closed and 2345 of their directors were arrested due to the crime of carrying out activities against the government. April 24, which is commemorated annually as the "Anniversary of Armenian Massacre" by the Armenians abroad is this date when the 2345 revolutionary committee members were arrested and it has no relation with deportation.

However, the Armenian revolutionary committee members who propagandize even the unfounded events by exaggeration, promptly made a move to propagandize these mentioned arrests. As a matter of fact, Ecmiyazin Catholicos Kevork sent the telegraph below to the President of USA:

"Dear President, according to the last news we got from Turkish Armenia, the massacre began there and an organized terror endangered the presence of the Armenian people. At this critical moment, I am addressing to the noble feelings of your Excellency and great American Nation and in the name of humanity and Christianity belief requesting you to promptly interfere by means of your great Republic´s diplomatic representatives and protect my people in Turkey who are left to violence of the Turkish fanaticism.

Kevork, Archbishop and Catholicos of all Armenians."

Pursuant to the telegraph of Archbishop Kevork, Russia´s Washington Ambassador got in contact with USA and thus, April 24, which is the day when Armenian committee members dealing with illegal works were arrested was propagandized to world´s public opinion as "the day on which Turks massacred Armenians".

 

Quote:

THE RELOCATION LAW

“Temporary Law on the Measures Implemented by the Military against those Opposing the Government Implementations at Wartime” also known as “Immigration Law-Tehcir Law” was resolved on 27 May 1915. (1) The Law was published in the Official Gazette of the time, Takvim-i Vekayi, on 1 June 1915 and came into force. (2)

Article 1 of the before mentioned temporary law authorizes, the commanders of the Army, Army-corps and Divisions to take military measures against those opposing government orders, country’s defense, and the protection of peace; and against those organizing armed attacks and resistance, and kill rebels during aggression and uprising in wartime. The second article authorizes the same commanders to transfer and resettle on a single basis or in mass, the people living in villages and towns who are found to be engaged in espionage or treason.

The properties owned by the Armenians subjected to immigration were protected under an order (3) dated 10 June 1915. “Commission on Abandoned Properties” comprising of a president and two members, one administrative and one financial, was established. These commissions are to determine Armenian properties in the villages and towns that are evacuated, and to keep detailed record books. One of the books is to be kept in the regional churches, one to be submitted to the regional administration, and one shall be kept by the commission. Non-durable goods and animal stock shall be auctioned and the money shall be kept. In location where a commission is not appointed, the provisions of the communiqué shall be enforced by the officers in the regions. Both the commission and the regional administrators shall be responsible for the protection of these properties until the Armenians return.

As it can be understood from the law dated 27 May 1915 and order dated 10 June 1915, the immigration implementation initiated by Talat Pasha and approved by the Parliament covers “the regions that threaten the security of the front directly”. The first of these regions includes the vicinities of Erzurum, Van and Bitlis, which constitute the background of Caucasian and Iranian fronts. The second region is provinces of Mersin-Iskenderun, which constitute the background of the Sinae front. Because, in these regions, Armenians were collaborating with the enemy and were engaged in activities facilitating the landing of the enemy forces.

However, the law regarding “the measures implemented by the military against those opposing the government implementations at wartime” is an authorizing law intended to protect the state and its legal order. One of the most important characteristics of this law is that “not a name of any ethnic group or community was mentioned nor even suggested in the text of the law”. The Ottoman citizens of Moslem, Greek and Armenian origin covered under this law were subjected to immigrate from their own place and resettle elsewhere. To regard this law as being directed against one particular ethnic group is an indication of a lack of information, or else, intentional behavior... (4)

 

Source requested:http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html



Thread: Abdullah Gül´s ´Yerevan expedition´

1150.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 05:38 pm

As Gül is going to Armenia for a football match, lets mention another football match contrary to Altan´s agitation.

 

"There was a preparation for a one net football match in Khojaly square. Players were very assertive and also willing. They were using two women´s cutted heads as a pole for the sign of net and at that moment they were looking for a ball to play.

When they found a hairless boy, one of the armenian gang screamed:

-This boy is hairless with a small head, can roll very well, cut his head off.

At the same time, boy´s body fell down aside and his head fell down center. Armenians began to hit the boys head with their bloody boots, yelling victory.

 

And the world continues to rotate...

 

How the earth and sky bear this sorrow!...I wonder why living and lifeless subsistences did not get into motion!...why the stars did not collide eachother and fall onto earth!...why the sun did not break into pieces while the arms and legs were being cut by gang-saws!...why the blue sky was not rolled out while the people were being folded like a can!...why the mountains did not walk while the baby was being skewered to mother´s breast with a knife bigger than baby!...why the oceans did not boil while the infants were being boiled!...why the moon did not die down while Hazangül were lying down on the snow with her baby!...why a typhoon did not arise, dismantle all the buidings on eath and blow them to the sky!...where is it that promised day, being waited with longings and missings, why didnt it come!...Doomsday!..."

 

 



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank You

1151.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:17 am

You see, i will wellcome you. If i was nearby you, i would warm you up. Why dont u talk? Did you learn Turkish? you had learned pretty much.



Thread: Christian terrorism in Iraq; money and faith

1152.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2008 Sat 04:06 am

It seems Palin´s God is in need of oil, maybe there is a fuel problem in hell .

 

Anyway bigot is everywhere bigot...



Thread: Malaria in Turkey?

1153.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 09:32 pm

 

Quoting Jaymi

A little bit?

 

 Sorry, that was my softening



Thread: For those who speak and read Turkish

1154.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 09:28 pm

This is actually not new, it has been known for about 3 years maybe that AKP will sell some parts of İstanbul to Arabian princes {#lang_emotions_wink} , now they changed it into Trade center, it is all about unearned income by making their fellows rich and more robing Turkish people...



Thread: what caught my eye today

1155.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 05:25 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

but there won`t be peace in the me as long as there is oil. Wait another 50 years...

 

 And also weapon trade...



Thread: Malaria in Turkey?

1156.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Sep 2008 Fri 05:23 pm

 

Quoting Jaymi

Thanks. I was hoping that I wouldnt have to deal with any of that.  My mom told me to check that.. but she also thinks everyone in the ME walks around with guns too.. So this was just a precaution on my part.

 

 People in ME thinks that Americans are a little bit idiot



Thread: grammer correction

1157.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2008 Wed 12:43 am

Saba misses her bebish i heard----Saba´nın (kendi) bebişini özlediğini duydum.

Saba misses your bebish i heard----Saba´nın senin bebişini özlediğini duydum.



Thread: please Turkish to English

1158.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Sep 2008 Wed 12:37 am

 

Quoting iki

Bu mimarin eserin içinde bir bayram sabahı toplanan halkın Türklerin Anadolu^ya ilk gelişlerinden beri sürdüğünü belirtir.

Toplananların bin yıldır kendilerinden geçerek aynı *tekbir* i almaları ses unsurudur.

 

Folk which congregated on one eid morning in the art of this architect mentions/depicts that this tradition have been continueing since Turks first came to Anatolia.

 

Congregated ones have been shouting in a state of ecstatic the same word Allahuekber which is component of voice for one thousand years.

 

p.s: The Turkish sentences have a few expression anomalies so i try to give the nearest sense...  

 



Thread: About Turkish Characters, Keyboards and Typing in Turkish

1159.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Sep 2008 Tue 12:45 am

 

Quoting doudi94

what do i do after i choose turkish? I already did, how do i know what letters make the keyboard turn in to turkish letters???

 

 After you added Turkish keyboard from regional settings, click on taskbars, go to toolbars and check the language bar there. Then you can view the language bar near system tray as seen below that you can switch between keyboards,

 

 

After you checked TurkishQ keyboard there, the places of Turkish keyboard characters can be seen from monitor keyboard as seen below, same places on your keyboard...

 

 

Good luck

 

 



Thread: For the Sake of Crucifix

1160.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2008 Sun 11:13 pm

There is no change in Armenian atrocities, Khojaly had proved this. Similar barbarously acts like in WW1 and nearly 80 yeras later. People are inclined to forget and manipulate, maybe one more 80 years later we will have a new Armenian genocide which will be ready to be voted in US congress claiming that Azeris killed Armenians in Khojaly.

 

"A. Lalayan, _Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East)_ No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936. -
One of the architects of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people

I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones, as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children,
 "

For more.

http://www.cs.utah.edu/~kagano/ermeni.htm

btw thanks for reminding...





Thread: Russian tanks enter South Ossetia

1161.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Aug 2008 Sat 07:42 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

All governments around the world are slaves by your own definition. The only exceptions are Castro, Chavez, Saddam and Ahmedi Najad. One is retired, the other has been declared mad, and the third has been executed and the last one has been intimidated. I don´t even remember the name of the North Korean leader. It is really advantageous to be result oriented. You can either call people slaves or clowns in the absence of it. Truth be told, we are slaves altogether not just our governments.

 

 ehhh, i think you got bored, enjoy this {#lang_emotions_lol_fast},

 



Thread: JİTEM’s illegal actions cost Turkey a fortune

1162.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 03:37 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

I really don´t think it´s appropriate to mention people with "handicaps" in that manner.  No matter what level of ability an individual has, they have their dignity and I don´t think anyone in their right minds would appreciate you using such an analogy to score points over someone.

 

 Very well put, it seems Trudy needs to grow up more, poor the Netherlands...



Thread: Gender Equality in Turkey

1163.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:47 am

 dont waste ur time, i remembered the Galata bridge incident, she is not arrested for wearing low cut top, she is arrested because of indecent exposure, and people complained about this, also she introduced herself as police .  Personally i think this has not to be a problem but during the government of AKP, we begin to hear news like this...

Quoting lady in red

Quoting lady in red

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

 

I give up looking!!  It could have been anywhere - the way threads go off topic on here it could have been on a Turkish Cookery thread!!  A Turkish friend did tell me about the area I am thinking of though - but its late and I´m tired - I´ll ask him tomorrow and get back to you

BTW - there was that incident of the woman on the Galata Bridge arrested for wearing a low cut top!!! (also mentioned on a thread somewhere here)

 

Anyway I´ll say goodnight for now - iyi geceler

 

 



Thread: Facts About Turkey

1164.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:21 am

 

Quoting Trudy

They are not Dutch, I know  but they are not only Turkish as well: The tulip, or "Lale" (from Persian لاله, lâleh) as it is called in Turkey, is a flower indigenous to Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey and other parts of Central Asia.

 

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip 

 It seems you felt a bit ailment{#lang_emotions_smile}, actually tulip was carried to Persia and Anatolia by Seljuks, its motherland is the steps of Turkistan where Turkic nomads were living and today 45% percent population of Iran is still Azeris. The word lale used in Turkish inherited from Ottomans and art language in Ottomans was Persian since tulip was used very much in arts...

 



Thread: Gender Equality in Turkey

1165.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 02:04 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 I said - I don´t know exactly - I´ll see if I can find the thread .  I just mentioned it because that was maybe where Teaship got this information from.

 

Thats a good generalisation anyway that "women get arrested because of wearing mini-skirt", how many? only one (i also doubt that)



Thread: Gender Equality in Turkey

1166.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 01:57 am

 

Quoting lady in red

Not my post but I remember there was something posted a month or so ago about a certain area of Istanbul where this (being arrested for wearing a mini-skirt) would still happen today.  I am sorry I can´t remember where/when exactly this was posted or the name of the area.

 

 Arrested by police?? and judged by law court?? its impossible, maybe you refering to some parts of İstanbul where bigots are living, harressed that woman



Thread: Facts About Turkey

1167.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 01:53 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

Quoting kurtlovesgrunge

Modern Turkey

-Turkey is the only secular Muslim country among all the Muslim countries in the world.

 

eh, just one of the widespread western lies about Turkey, and surprisingly even the Turks believe this crap. The truth is all the Turkic countries you can name are both Muslim and secular.

 

 This is an old-fashioned crap ,comes from the period when Turkic countries ruled by Soviets.



Thread: Gender Equality in Turkey

1168.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 01:40 am

 

Quoting teaschip

 Women get arrested for wearing short skirts  

 

 Vay canına!! im surprised as a Turkish {#lang_emotions_smile} 

biraz destekli atalım lütfen...



Thread: Russian tanks enter South Ossetia

1169.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 11:09 am

US bringing humane aid to Georgia with warships through blacksea, what a baloney {#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}, and our slave government let them pass the Bosphorus, thus our environmetalist!! prime minister´s caucasian project fizzled out because he forgot to ask US {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}



Thread: European students likened to prostitutes

1170.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2008 Sat 07:55 pm

That looks like the mentality of AKP, its known that they nearly put their men into the all positions of government and so as TPAO…



Thread: Good on you, lady!

1171.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2008 Sat 04:35 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

yes, exactly.... I assume that people in Hatay are rather poor in general, but I am suspecting that girls are sent to schools even less then boys... so tragic. I hope this lady becomes famous one day.

 

 Not exactly, Hatay has got a high cultural heritage, and people are mostly open-minded and intelectuel. Nearly all locals know Arabic, they can trade with Syria through Cilvegözü border, people can go to Arabic countries for working, so i think Hatay is better than most cities in Turkey, as expected every city has poor people, Hatay also but not different than other cities in Turkey...



Thread: a question

1172.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2008 Sat 09:39 am

As far as i know its not forbidden to marry foreigners since 90´s both for polices and army officers. But this has some extra procedures...



Thread: What was it ?

1173.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Aug 2008 Fri 02:09 am

Thats the seeds of hashish, its used in many floury foods especially in Aegean region. Btw drugs made from the coverings of hashish. I read somewhere it has an aphrodisiacal effect on women when they eat foods with hashish {#lang_emotions_smile}.



Thread: A Turkish husband

1174.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Aug 2008 Fri 01:44 am

 

Quoting alameda

 Spinster

 

The Turkish term for this is turşu.

 

 I think it means "kız kurusu" or "evde kalmış" in Turkish and more suitable...



Thread: What are you listening now?

1175.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Aug 2008 Thu 11:31 am

Natacha Atlas-Gafsa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCP6I45z6s



Thread: A Turkish husband

1176.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 11:18 pm

Sorry, if i offended you, that was not i want to say, i mean to say "if you think he/she is naive", that was also a general comment...



Thread: A Turkish husband

1177.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 10:56 pm

Quote: peacetrain

Thanks Armegon but  I´ll call you next time I need help getting under that bus{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

Sorry PT, if i drive you into a bad situation, just thought your comment fits to this thread, forgive me plz.

Quote:Fatimah

Yes I live in Saudi Arabia but my mother country id Yemen. I born here and I think like it´s impossible to get married to Saudi guy. I don´t want my daughters and my sons suffer from the culture. Women can´t drive and can´t work as men. Also Saudi men have enjoyed getting married million times, he will cheat me and he will leave me after 10 years.

 

I understand you, im also living in Al-Khobar/KSA temporarily because of my job, and i witnessed this crooked system in KSA. Turkia is far more better place to live but your future Turkish husband canditate need to have regular satisfactory salary if you both want to live in Turkia, because Turkia is more expensive than KSA. Select your man carefully considering some useful advices here.

 

 

Quoting teaschip

 Please tell me where I said anything about Turkish men that was unkind?  I was stating a reality that there are good and bad men EVERYWHERE.  I´m sorry I don´t believe that turkish men are the ONLY manly men, smart, kind, gentle men out there.  No offense handsom...

It was just a general comment, not adressed to you. And as always also in this thread, a girl asking some questions about marriage with Turkish guys but people here immediately begin to tease with thread owner instead of answering her questions, she just want her questions answered mostly but questioning starts though its none of us business. And also nobody says Turkish men are the onlies you mentioned, just respect the thread owner even she/he is naive. I think  an advice is enough besides the answers to her questions.

Quote: teaschip

Excuse me for finding it odd that someone posts it´s their DREAM to want to marry only a Turkish man because of these reasons. To me it suggests a LACK OF EXPERIENCE and single minded. If you were to say I want to marry someone within my own religion, I understand this.

 

Simply thats non of your business, she does not have to give a reasonable explanation why she want to marry a Turkish guy.

 



Thread: A Turkish husband

1178.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 08:28 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 I´m not in the habit of mocking new members or making sarcastic or cynical remarks about relationships some members have with Turkish men as I happen to think it´s unkind. 

 

 

Good analysis PT, this thread like many others proves this.



Thread: Help please!!!

1179.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 03:22 am

Kendi kendime Türkçe öğreniyorum.



Thread: flight info pls

1180.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 03:18 am

You can go to Istanbul to Adana, then to Hatay by bus(nearly 3hours). U cant find continously flights to Hatay but there always flight to Adana...



Thread: Agnosticism: A Religion

1181.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 03:09 am

 

Quoting catwoman

What´s your point in bringing up these old threads, dear War Train?

 

 All the threads here is old, forum like vicous circle, at least yılgün´s threads change the atmosphere here {#lang_emotions_razz} 



Thread: Soap operas

1182.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Aug 2008 Mon 02:59 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

overall, they are all crap.

 

 Exactly...



Thread: I´m having a baby girl...Any god turkish names

1183.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Jul 2008 Thu 02:11 pm

Quoting pansi:

But to be honest the most interesting name i found for my own daugther is Servet.


Servet is generally a name for males. I have never heard of a girl called Servet before .
I like the girl names Selvi or Naz or both Selvi Naz



Thread: 13th Anniversary of the Bosnian Genocide

1184.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:08 pm

As French writer mentioned “Europe died in Bosnia”.



Thread: Ataturk or Khomeini?

1185.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 04:27 am

Actually, i do not missed any point thehandsom. I just clarified how the event took place. And i did not say in anywhere that i support them to be courted. And i put emphasis on how the liberals and islamists are in same boat to reach the goal. One of them supports Islamic regime, other one supports slavery of EU.



Thread: Turks and Conspiracy Theories !!

1186.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 04:20 am

Quoting thehansom:

I think you are reading only Ugur Mumcu


I also mentioned there, İsmet Görgülü.

Quoting thehansom:

Check historians specially rather than ONE journalist.


Is Baskın Oran historian?. thehandsom nearly all the sources support this, even in Nutuk Mustafa Kemal explains the connection between the Englishs and Kurds, giving the name of English officier clearly. Read İsmet Bozdağ, İsmet Görgülü, Mim Kemal Öge which came to my mind now.

Quoting thehandsom:

But we know that for example in 1980's they tried to write official history with funny absurd things like 'Kurds are mountain Turks' and they all proved to be wrong.


Baskın Oran tells the same thing but this not a written history unfortunately.

Quoting thehandsom:

What you are saying is 'what official history says'.


Actually, thats based on the documents, also you find in English documents that says “Kurdish nationalism is the new son of British politics”.
See the article below quoted (Unfortunately it is again in Turkish, i have no time to translate, maybe i can manage on Friday i hope)

Quote:


KÜRT AYAKLANMALARI
CUMHURİYET SONRASI

1. Nasturi İsyanı 10 Temmuz 1924 / 28 Eylül 1924
2. Jilyan İsyanı 1925–1926
3. Şeyh Sait İsyanı 15 Şubat 1925 / 7 Ekim 1927
4. Birinci Şemdinli Baskını 25 Mayıs 1925 / Haziran 1925
5. Reşkotan ve Raman İsyanı 7–11 Ağustos 1925
6. Eruhlu Yakup Ağa ve oğulları İsyanı 1926
7. Pervari İsyanı 1926
8. Gülyar İsyanı, Çölemerik / Hakkâri Baskını 1926
9. Hato İsyanı Mart 1926
10. Birinci Ağrı İsyanı 16 Mayıs–17 Haziran 1926
11. İkinci Şemdinli Baskını Haziran 1926
12. Koç Uşağı İsyanı 7 Ekim–30 Kasım 1926
13. Hakkâri-Beytüşşebap İsyanı Şubat 1927
14. İkinci Ağrı İsyanı 13–18 Eylül 1927
15. Bicar Harekâtı 7 Ekim–8 Kasım 1927
16. Zilyonlu Resul Ağa İsyanı Şubat 1927
17. Zeylan İsyanı 18 Haziran–18 Eylül 1930
18. Tutaklı Alican İsyanı 7 Temmuz–3 Ekim 1930
19. Üçüncü Ağrı İsyanı 7–14 Eylül 1930
20. Oramak İsyanı 27 Eylül–20 Ekim 1930
21. Buran Aşireti İsyanı 1934–1935
22. Abdurrahman İsyanı 1935–1937
23. Abdülküddüs İsyanı 1935–1936
24. Sason İsyanı 1935–1939
25. Dersim İsyanı 21–22 Mart–7 Ağustos 1938
Kürt ve Kürt bağımsızlığı konusu, bu düşÃ¼ncelerin doğması her zamanki gibi karşımıza İngilizleri çıkarır.
İngilizler, Kürt aşiretlerini Osmanlı zararına ayaklanmaya özendirir / yüreklendirir.

1918’de Osmanlı Ordusu’nun zayıflama sonrası bu çabalar daha da artırılır. Bu sırada, “British Relief Fund” müdürü Papaz Frev [1] ve siyasal temsilcileri Bir yönden Kürtçülük propagandası yapıp, diger yönden de aşiretlere para, silah ve gereç sağlar [2].

İngilizlerin etkinlik alanları Diyarbakır, Elazığ ve Urfa’da yoğunlaşır [3]. Özellikle “Milli Aşireti” çok ilgilendikleri bir aşiret. Halep’ten gelen bir İngiliz kurmay Yüzbaşı, Viranşehir’de aşiret başkanı Mahmut’la görüşÃ¼r. Sonrasında Mahmut’un kardeşlerinin olduğu Siverek, Karaçorun ve Karacadağ’a giderekgerekli girişimlerde bulunur. Ama Siverek’te yüz bulamadığı anlaşılır [4].

Bir başka İngiliz subayı Binbaşı Noel’in Mardin gezisi bitiminde, 1919 Haziranında Urfa-Siverek üzerinden Viranşehir’e gider; Mili Aşiret ileri gelenleriyle görüşÃ¼r, Ama sonuçtan memnun olmadığı da bilinir [5].

Öte yandan Aşiret lideri Mahmut’un Diyarbakır’a giderek, “Kürt Kulübü” üyeleriyle görüşeceği söylentisi ortaya çıkar [6]. Yine bu tarihlerde Diyarbakır, Elazığ ve Urfa İllerinin Milli aşireti’ne verildiği; Buralarda kürdanistan bağımsızlığının ilan edileceği; bu toprakların “İbrahim Paşaoğulları arasında pay edileceği, bunun için yapılacak örgüte bir temel” olmak üzere Milli aşireti başkanlarının buraları dolaşarak ilgililere, kendilerine kayıtsız-koşulsuz uymaları; Kürtlük düşÃ¼ncesi çevresinde toplanacakların saltlıkla at ve silaha sahip olmaları; çağrılacakların hemen buyruğa uymaları gerekeceği, uymayanlarınsa ”Emvali Yağma” ve kendilerinin de “itlaf” edilecekleri söylentisi işitilir [7].

Yine İngilizlerin Cobur aşiretini silahlandırdıkları ve devlete bağlı diğer aşiretler üzerine saldırtılacağı söylentisi başlar [8].

Ancak, Kürt aşiretlerinden bazılarının, İngilizler ve propagandalarından hoşlanmadıkları da bir gerçek. Çünkü birinde propaganda yapan bir İngiliz, aşiretler tarafından öldürülür [9]. Zaho’da “İngiliz Hakim-i Siyasisi” de bu uğurda yaşamını kaybedenler arasındadır [10]. Şırnak aşireti başkanı Abdurrahman Ağa da, İngilizleri kendi bölgesine gelirlerse iyi karşılanmayacaklarını açıklar [11].

— KÜRT TEALİ CEMİYETİ

Tüm bunlara karşın bazı Kürtler, Diyarbakır, Bitlis ve Elazığ’da “Kürt Teali Cemiyeti”ni kurmuş bulunur [12].

Osmanlı “Meclis-i Ayan” üyelerinden Seyit Abdülkadir’in başkanı olduğu Kürt Teali Cemiyeti; her ne denli önceleri Osmanlı Anayasasına ve Osmanlılık ülküsüne bağlı bir hayır cemiyeti gibi görünüyorsa da, onun, daha kuruluş tarihlerinde bile Kürtleri ayrı bir kavim saydığı anlaşılmakta. Çünkü cemiyetin mühründe Türkçe “Kürt Teali Cemiyeti”, Fransızca olarak “Autonomie du kürdanistan” yazar [13]. Gerçekten, “İnfiradcı[yalnızcılık] Milliyetçi” bir siyasa izleyen bu cemiyetin [14] düşÃ¼nceleri, “Jin” ve “kürdanistan” adlı dergilerde yayımlanır.

Doğu Anadolu’nun Ermenilere verileceği söylentisi yayılınca, “Vilayat-ı Şarkiye Müdafaa-i Hukuk Cemiyeti”, Kürt Teali Cemiyeti Başkanı Seyit Abdülkadir’i uyarır; işbirliğine çağırır; Ama bundan bir sonuç alınamaz. Çünkü Kürt Teali Cemiyeti bağlıları [15], Doğu Anadolu’da Bağımsız Kürt Devleti kurma istemlerinin [16], Bağlılaşık Devletler tarafından destekleneceğine inanır. Bu nedenle bir an gelir ki, onlar, inançlarını artık gizleme gereği bile duymaz [17].

İlgililerden her biri kendine düşen görevi rahatça yapar. Örneğin: Bedirhanilerden olan ve Kürt Bağımsızlığı uğruna her şey yapabilecek bir yapıda olan, Malatya “Mutesarrıfı” Halil Bey, Malatya’da bir Kürt Kulübü kurmaya çalışır ve bu arada Ermeni Patrik’le işbirliği yapmada bir sakınca görmez [18]. Bucak müdürlerinin çoğunu Kürtlerden atayan Halil Bey’in, Dersim yöresindeki aşiretlerle de yakın teması var. Bunlardan bazılarını Osmanlı zararına çevirir [19].Bunun sağladıktan sonra silah depolarına el konacak ve Elazığ işgal edilecek.

Yine Bedirhanlılardan Kamran, Ali ve Mevlanazade Rıfat bey bu bölgeye gelip çok para getirdikleri de söylenir [20].

İşin siyasal yönü de savsaklanmaz. Paris’te toplanan Barış Konferansı’nda Kürt sorunları ve haklarını savunma görevi verilen; Osmanlı Paşası ve eski Stockholm elçisi Şerif Paşa delege olarak atanır [21].
Fransızların “Güzel Şerif” İttihatçıların “Boş Herif” dediği Şerif Paşa [22], 22 Mart 1919’da, Konferansa kürdanistan’la ilgili muhtıra sunar [23]. Ermenilerle işbirliğine girişir; Matin gazetesine verdiği bir demeçte, “Osmanlı Devleti yeni bir cerrahi ameliyeye maruz kalarak, kendisinden vatanım kürdanistan’ın ayrılmasını görmeğe mahkûmdur” [24], der.

Bu durum karşısında İstanbul hükümeti Kürtlerin sessiz kalmaları için bazı önlemler alır. Ayırıcı durumlardan kaçınılmasını sağlamak üzere Kürt Teali cemiyeti üyeleriyle iletişimde bulunacak bir yarkurul kurulması kararı alır [25].

— DAMAT FARİT PAŞA

Oysa aynı hükümetin doğuda Kürt yoğunluğu olan bazı illeri, Ermenilere bırakma gibi bir eğilimi var. Sadrazam Damat Ferit Paşa’nın bir telgrafından bunu açıkça anlamak olanaklı. Çünkü bu telgrafta, Doğu vilayetlerinin bazı parçalarının Ermenistan’a bırakma zorunluluğu doğabileceğini belirtir. Ve “Umumi efkâr”ın buna göre hazırlanmasını ister [26]. Ama Bitlis valisi bu isteği yerine getirmez [27].

— DEVLETE SADIK KÜRTLER

Oysa ne bu telgraftan ne de valinin verdiği yanıttan haberi olmayan bazı Kürt önderler, bazı Silvan eşrafı, 13. Kolordu’ya çektikleri telgrafta, uzun zamandır “Sayelerinde refahla” yaşadıkları; “Rayet’i Osmaniyeden ayrılmak alçaklığını istemiş olan” bazı Kürtleri kınar. Devletin bağımsızlık ve “Devletin yüce adının sürmesi için” her tür hizmet ve özveriye hazır olduklarını bildirir [28].

Ayaklanmacı, Milli aşireti başkanı Mahmut; 19 Nisan’ında, yanında, “Siverek eşrafından Cudi Paşa, Odabaşı Mahmut Efendi ve ulemadan vaiz Hacı Hüseyin efendi”yle birlikte, Çoldeki aşiretlerle görüşÃ¼r, onlar arasında bir birlik sağlamasını ve “Osmanlı Hükümeti’ne sadakat gösterilmesi”ne çalışır [29]. Hatta 4 Nisan 19’da “Harbiye Nezareti”ne bir telgraf çekerek; “Öteden beri ekmek ve nimetleriyle beslenmiş olduğumuz ve bağlı olmakla övünç duyduğumuz Hükümet-i Aliyye-i Osmaniyenin hadim ve bendesiyim” [30] diyerek Hükümete bağlılığını açık bir biçimde anlatımlar.

Kazım Karabekir Paşa, bu sıralarda, Kürt aşiret beylerine, “Doğunun Ermenilere verilmek istendiği”ni bildirir. Onları, Ermeni siyasası zararına yüreklendirir [31]. Böylesi bir devinim, aynı zamanda, doğuda filizlendirilmeğe çalışılan “Kürtçülük Akımı”nı unutturma ve dikkatlerin başka yönlere çevrilmesi hizmeti görür.

Mustafa Kemal Paşa’nın, Kürt beylere gönderdiği mektuplara beylerin yanıtları pek ilginç. Çünkü onlar, kendilerinin Kürtçülük düşÃ¼ncesiyle ilgileri olmadığını, devlete bağlı olduklarını belirtirler [32]. Nusaybin’den gelen bir telgraf da, Osmanlı Hükümeti’ne bağlılık anlatımlanır [33].

Demek ki, o sıralarda Kürtlerin kafası karışık. Ama her şeye karşın hükümete sadık Kürt beyleri var. Bu tümceden ötürü, Kürtleri, ayrılıkçı ve bağlı diye ayrımlamak gerekir.
----------> Sürecek, sevgili dostlar.


DİPNOTLAR:

1. G. Jaeschke 1, S. 8. İstanbul’daki İngiliz elçiliğine bağlı olarak çalışan Papas Frew, Patrikhane yoluyla, Kürtler için, Yunan Hükümeti’nden bile bir miktar para sağlar. Bak. A. Badevi Kuran S.626
2. A.Badevi Kuran, S.626
3. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 6. Belge 130
4. Aynı yapıt, 130
5. Nimet Arsan, 4, S. 43
6. Harp tarihi vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 6, Belge 130
7. Aynı yapıt, 130
8. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 40, Belge 960
9. T. Gökbilgin, I, S. 139
10. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 40, Belge 960
11. Aynı dergi, 958
12. Nutuk, I, S. 4
13. Kurucuların, cemiyet mührünü bu biçimde iki ayrı anlamda yazdırma amaçları, Türklerden ayrılmanın “bir felaket getireceğini iyi bilen Kürt halkından, kötü niyetlerini saklamak içindi”. Bak. C. Dursunoğlu, S. 18
14. Tarık Zafer Tunaya, S. 430
15. Kürt Teali cemiyetinde çalışanlar ve bir Kürt devleti kuruluşu ile ilgili bulunanlardan bazılarının adları: Seyyit Abdülkadir, Bedirhan Paşa’nın oğlu Eski adliye müfettişlerinden Emin Ali, Emekli Fuat Paşa, Hamdi Paşa, İstanbul eski polis müdürü Halil, Jandarma emekli albaylarından bedirhanpaşaoğlu Mehmet Ali, Emekli yarbay Mehmet Emin, Ulamadan Ali, Baha zade ŞÃ¼krü, Cemil Paşa zade Ekrem müderris Zeynel Abidin, doktor Mehmet ŞÃ¼krü, Mevlan Zade Rıfat, Mahmut, Selim, Feytullah, Seyid Şefik.
16. T. Gökbilgin. I. 133
17. C. Dursunoğlu, S.19
18. Harp tarihi Vesikaları dergisi, Sayı 11. Belge 233
19. Harp Tarihi vesikaları dergisi, Sayı 11. Belge 233
20. Aynı Dergi, 233
21. Şerif Paşa’yı 19 Ocak’ta Cenevre’de toplanan “Türk Hürriyetperverlerinden mürekkep bir kongre”, Türk halklarını savunmak üzere görevlendirilir ve Parise gönderilir. Bak. T. Gökbilgin, I, S. 50
22. Tarık Mümtaz Göktepe, S. 109
23. G. Jaeschke, I, S. 22
24. Şerif Paşa sonrasında Kürtçülük etkinliğini bırakmış görünür. 23 Nisan 1920 tarihli Alemdar, Peyam ve Serbesti gazetelerinde yayımlanan yazısında, Hilafet’e bağlı olduğunu bildirir. Devleti parçalayacak düşÃ¼ncelerden uzak olduğunu belirterek, “Konferans nezdindeki Kürt heyet-i murahhasası riyasetinden istifa” ettiğini bildirir. Bak. Kazım Karabekir, S. 294
25. T. Gökbilgin, I, S. 135
26. Bitlis Valisi’ne çekilen telgraf aynen şÃ¶yle: “Vilayat-ı Şarkiyyeden bazı aksamının Ermenistana terki mecburiyeti hasıl olması muhtemeldir. Gerçi bu ihtimal pek zayıf ise de bir emr-i vaki karşısında kalmamak için dağdağasızca ve uslüb-i hakimane ile şimdiden efkâr-ı umumiyyeyi hazırlamak faydadan hali değildir. Bu hususta sarf-ı mesai buyrulması, ehliyet ve dirayet-i valalarından muntazardır. Huda-nekerde böyle bir hal vukuunda mahalli halkın ve aşairin ne gibi bir tavır ve harekette bulunacaklarının dahi gizlice ve münasip bir surette tahrik ve tetkiki ile neticenin peyderpey doğruca tarafıma işâ€™arı tavsiye olunur” Bak. Mahzar Müfit Kansu, I, S. 10
27. Bitlis Valisi Mahzar Müfit Bey’in Sadrazam’a yanıtı: “Ecza-yi Memalik-i Osmaniyyeden bir karış toprağı bile düşmana terk için Efkar-ı umumiyyeyi hazırlamak elimden gelmez. Bendenizde tasavvur buyurduğunuz ehliyet ve dirayet de buna müsait değilim. Bu gibi işlere ehliyet ve dirayeti nezd-i samilirinde mücerreb bir zatın yerime vali tayin ve i-zamını rica ederim. Ferman”. Bak. Mahzar Müfit Kansu, I, S. 10
28. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 5, Belge 106
29. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 40, Belge 958
30. Harp Tarihi Vesikaları Dergisi, Sayı 40, Belge 957
31. Kazım Karabekir, S. 25
32. Aynı yapıt. S. 49
33. Nusaybin Müdafaa-i Hukuk Cemiyeti namına Şeyh Musa’dan İçişleri Bakanlığına gelen ve gazetelere de yollanan bir telgrafta, Kürtleri, Türkiye’den ayırıp İngiliz Mandası altına sokmak isteyenler protesto edilmekte ve Bizim İstanbul’da hiçbir temsilcimiz yoktur denildikten sonra, ‘Bu kabil istekler ebediyen yıkılmamızı mucip olacaktır. Hayatımızın hadimi olan Osmanlı Hükümetinden başka bir idareyi kabul etmeyeceğiz. Binaenaleyh kazamızda yirmibin nüfusun rahatı hilafına vuku bulacak lekeli mukadderatın kanımızla silinmesine elimizde silah olarak hazırız’. ‘Van’da kurulmuş olan Teşkilsat-ı Milliyye’ye bütün efrat ve aşiretlerle maalmemnunniyye dâhil olduğumuzu arz ve bu seda-yı millimizi Hükümet ile gazetelere iblağ eyleriz. Bu protestoname bütün Kürt aşiret ve reisleri tarafından çekilmektedir”. Bak. Ömer Sami Coşar, No. 163
34. Türk İstiklal Harbi, 6, İç Ayaklanmalar, S. 23




Thread: Turkey v Czech Republic

1187.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 01:45 am

Quoting catwoman:

I find this to be another form of nationalism... :-S


lol why am i not surprised?

Btw, i think Turkia did not deserve to qualify with that football. We came here mostly by luck, shortly "Ballı Fatih Terim".

But again good LUCK on quarter finals. Lets see if grashopper jumps for the third time.



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1188.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 01:31 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Tell us then.. Go on..
Tell what Kurds have done to Turks.
So we all learn.


Simple betrayal, rebellion and now terrorism, the ones you callled “young people”. Why you abstain to explain this? Also why you only asked Kurds what happened to others?

Quoting thehandsom:

I simple asked you a question about what you think my agenda is..
Can you answer? do you have an answer? can you possible have an answer?


Your agenda is simple, your agenda is no different than Ali Kemal’s agenda during the Independence war, your agenda is no different than the today’s so-called intellectuels who are paid by EU in order to weaken army or basis of Turkish Republic, your agenda is like the mentality that Turks cannot do anything by themselves. You are at the side of capital not the labour, you support globalisation not the independence. I come up with the ones like you, they all think people can be liberalized only sermoning about human-rights and freedom but they discard the economical and social rights, human-rights and freedom is nothing if people cannot live like a human. You simply support colonilisation. I bet you are a fan of Sorros.

Quoting thehandsom:

Look.. This 'secret agenda' thing is not your idea..it is 'embeded' into your head by years and years of listening pathetic statements of the army generals and disfunctional politicans.
The sad thing is, you DONT EVEN REALISE IT.


This not secret agenda Mr.thehansom, this all tested and experienced during the history and still we experience not listening the pathetic statements of anyone. You really sold out and the sad thing is YOU REALIZE THIS .

Quoting thehandsom:

Now look above, you are unable take this 'foreign element' out of your brains. You have no answers without 'foreign hands or dark forces'.
What lessons do you think I am taking here?
who are they you think giving lessons?
what are they? be specific!!


You reach the truth via unique answer to a question, Mr thehandsom, i think YOU DONT REALIZE THIS TIME . Thats the fact, and their mission is to attack Mustafa Kemal, Army , try to belittle them in the eyes of Turkish nation, thats continuing propogand and thats the lesson but money given who take lessons .

Quoting Daydreamer:

Absolutely right about the former, and wrong about the latter. Perhaps you fail to notice that the whole idea of 'they're here to get us' is a bit like warning people against the UFO. Everybody is there to get you - USA, UE, and Handsom with his Secret Agenda.


Hmmm, I have to say that you talking nonsense with your UFO simile, last time i gave you an example of Mumcu about this, i think you fail to understand or you are not able to understand. Thats not the fear, not the idea of “everybody is here to get Turkey”, it is observation through the history, what Mumcu wrote was actually portraying future. Now let me ask, what will they gain if Turkey accept genocide? Whats the aim? What if Turkey declare the south east as a province? Whats the aim? Why do you think Turkey forced to sell lands on south east to Israelities? Why do you think Turkey trying to be alienated from nation state? More suitable for colony?

Quoting Daydreamer:

You just come looking for conspirators.


Check again my posts especially first times to see what i was doing here. I posted nearly 700 posts and 70% of them are translations in order to help people. So you should check the others.

Quoting Daydreamer:

As for this forum being biased, I don't see how. Everybody is free to post what they like, how other members respond is everybody's individual business. As long as you don't get vulgar and rude, you may have any opinion you like.


Good lesson thanks, i dont know this . I think i gave a clue why i called forum biased;

Quoting armegon:

Ahh i forgot, im narrow-minded, here who says Kurds/PKK are freedom-fighters express their thoughts freely but when i say Kurds are nothing but new petrol guardians of Yankees then i became nationalist/racist. But in fact in my entire life i have no connection with the nationalists or ülkücü thats the ironic part


No endurance like this posts immediately labelled, seems double standards to me, also i remember members who were forced to leave the site because of posting about sionism, some leave the site because of insults, labelings etc.

Quoting Daydreamer:

In case you haven't noticed, there are many positive things written about Turkey here. You just have to get used to the fact that people have different opinions about your country's policies than you.


By my side, im not looking for positive things about Turkey, im only looking for honesty and justice. And you just have to get used the fact that people do not have to think like you especially for his own country so try to show some respect before labelling people.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Now that's a bit of an overstatement, don't you think? Nobody here fears or hates those who love their country.


Actually not, it is not so hard to observe this for a Turk in the forum, thats the reason there arent so many Turkish contributers to the site except the handsom with the not-secret agenda .

Quoting Daydreamer:

I dearly love my homeland and I'm sure so do most of the users here. It is the paranoia and nationalism that we find ridiculous.


Ohh thats good for you, then i can call you patriot and for sure most of the users are here patriot. I find ridiculous that you are obsessed with paranoia and nationalism more paranoid than the real paranoids.You forgot to say that “Ataturk is not god”. I got bored explaning the same thing.

Quoting Daydreamer:

As for experts or those who arrogantly claim to know better. If people write about their conclusions based on some material they read or experiences they were through what makes their logic worse than yours?


Who said they are experts? Thats not based on logic, thats based on facts actually. It is something like vicious circle, starts same, finishes same. Its something like programmed.

Quoting Daydreamer:

For me it's hard to understand Turkish justice if a person is banished for what he writes (not talking about whether he is right or wrong but merely about the fact that in 21st century somebody is banished for intellectual crimes), or when a person faces a trial for saying that she wouldn't like her son to die on war.


I think i have given you an example of this from the laws of Austria and France before, you never touched them and asking this to me again, i said again banishing people because of thoughts is wrong , as for the laws of Turkish some sure should be revised.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Liberal is wrong?


These are the liberals serve Soros, i explained their aims, now let me ask, is it true for them to slander Army and Atatürk? They go along with the islamists now.



Thread: Ataturk or Khomeini?

1189.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 01:20 am

The quote below is the writing of program maker after the program. Another paranoid . Actually thehandsom is not more different than the girls who believe living under the domination of another nation is beter. They are on same boat.
p.s: it is translated roughly and quickly sorry for bad English.

Quote:


I cannot sleep last night because of the shock that i faced in the TV program Teke Tek. My aim is to discuss headscarf issue wit the girls who are educating in universities. Two of my guests were wearing headscarf and other two are not. One of the girls who is not wearing headscarf, declared herself liberal and the other one declared herself Kemalist. All four girls are working in the associations paralel to their views. And be sure that, no program that i prepared, shocked me like this one. Nuray who has been acting on headscsarf propogand since 1999, defending the education rights with headscarf and addes that this should also encompass all the rights to work for state jobs. These are the ideas we got used to hear. All the headscarf activists hold on this subject. Namely the change in the constitution which AKP done and later cancelled, is not enough for them. It is also known. But Nuray carried subject to another demands. I asked Nuray “ who can guarantee that in future you wont demand to judge according to your beliefs since you wont satisfied with juristicals made by legislation, namely who can guarantee that in furure you wont demand a Kadı(Islamic judge) to judge you?”
Answer is sincere. “Nobody can guarantee. Even we want this. Why one cannot be judged according to laws that he/she believes?”
I was shocked.
I replied and asked “This means multiple juristicals. How can something like that be exist in democracy?”
“Why not” she added.
Later then i asked the other girl with headscarf named Kevser;
“You imply that the coercion regime in Iran cannot be an example of Islam but you have photos of Humeyni in your facebook page?”
-Yes there are. I love Humeyni so much.
-Isnt that the one who is the founder of the Iranian regime?
-Today it is not same, damaged.
Then i asked again
-Ok then you love Humeyni so much, what about Atatürk?
-He was very succeeded as a soldier.
The emphasis on military took my attention.
Later i asked the same question the other headscarfed Nuray.
-What about you?Do you love Atatürk?
Firstly she was confused, she couldnt decide what she would say.
And later replied sincerely ;
-No, i dont like Atatürk
-Why?
-The all suffering we face throughout the last 85 years is because of him.
-Thats good but the man you dont like, saved us from the occupation of Englishs, Frenchs, Greeks. We became an independent nation by the help of his leadership. If he was not present, today we could be still living under the domination of another nation, we will surely be a colony”
But Nuray was decisive;
-Atatürk did not start the Independence war, it was started by the believing muslims. It was started in Maraş by muslims and the instigation was headscarf of a woman tried to be pull-out. It is not related to Atatürk.
I replied;
-If Atatürk had not managed to organize this war, this you mentioned above is suppressed.
-Maybe it would be more better. We could live our religion better under the domination of another nation. We could be more free.
Dear Readers, this is the situation of what Turkish Republic faced.
Thats the one above which is wanted.
It is not voiced today maybe but thats the one which will be demanded.
Thats why there are reactions to the decision of Supreme Court.
Thats the revenge trying to be taken from Turkish Republic.
The envelope is freedom.
The envelope is democracy.
The envelope is liberalism.
If it is accepted.
If it is not, by force, they say like this.
Note: My liberal guest who explains her views on an utopic world, seems so pleased when congrulating sms messages sent to her phone by headscarfed women.




Thread: Turks and Conspiracy Theories !!

1190.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jun 2008 Tue 01:17 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Ask any Turk about Sheik Said, and there is a 99 percent chance that he will tell you about this British connection.

But it is false. There is actually no evidence whatsoever proving a connection with the Kurdish rebels and the British government.


, Who proved there is no connection? According to Uğur Mumcu they had been in contact since 1919. Uğur Mumcu mentioned in his book named “1919-1925 Kürt İslam Ayaklanması” that how the groundwork was matured by Brits and proves this with the recorded documents. He clarifies the relation between Brits and “Kürt Teali Cemiyeti”. Their aim was to set up a independent Kurdish Sheria state under the domination of Brits. The British connection of the event also proved by many historians, for example Dr. İsmet Görgülü.
I think according to thehandsom, Brits did not work also in Arabia.

Actually, no time at the moment for translation, im busy with the other posts. will translate later in my spare time, inşallah .

Quote:

Bir Türk öldürmek yetmiş gavur öldürmekten daha üstündür.
Yukarıdaki alçak ifade İngiliz işbirlikçisi Şeyh Sait'e aittir.
Şey Sait,Musul görüşmeleri sırasında İngilizlerden aldığı destekle Din elden gidiyor'maskesiyle Kürt devleti kurmak için isyan etmiş,isyanın sonucunda bacanağı Binbaşı Kasım tarafından yakalanarak adalete teslim edilmitir.
Şeyh Sait,ayaklanma sırasında bacanağı Binbaşı Kasım'a'Bir Türk öldürmek yetmiş gavur öldürmekten daha üstündür'diyor,Bacanağı da tanıklık yaptığı mahkemede bu sözleri onun yüzüne karşı anlatıyor ve tutanaklara geçiyordu.
.......
Şeyh Sait'in duruşmasında savcı ile aralarında geçen konuşmalardan Kurtuluş savaşı sırasında Şeyh Sait ve takımının dinlenip yığınak yaparak sürekli güçlendiği,Türk ordusunun yorgun ve zayıf anını kolladığı da ortaya çıkıyordu:
'...Bu kıyamınızı vacip görüyorsunuz.Küffar, islam beldelerini çiğnerken cihat nedir?
O da cihattır,farzdır.
Yunan bütün memleketi çiğnerken bu topladığınız dört bin kişi ile neden Yunan üzerine yürümediniz?
O zaman yine giderdik.Vaktimiz yoktu.o zaman biz çok perişandık.Vaktimiz olsaydı durmazdık.Balkan muharebesinde hazırlandık,istemediler.Bu muharebede göçmendik,yoksulduk.'
.....
Şey Sait,suçu sabit görülerek idam ediliyordu.
Şeyh Sait’i sorgulayanlar arasında olan Ali Saip Bey, birbirlerine bağlanmış şekilde idam edilmeye gidenlere bakar ve; “Şeyh Sait nerede” der.(Ali Saip Bey Kürk kökenlidir ve İstiklal Mahkemesi üyesidir) İnfaza giden zincirlenmişler arasından Şeyh Kürt Said çıkar ve; “Saip Bey hani doğruyu söylersem yardımcı olacaktın”der. Duruşmalarda çok sert tavır almış Saip Bey gülümseyerek “Ne yapalım Sait Efendi, seninle Hınıs’da kuzu yiyemedik”(Şeyh Sait mahkeme sonunda beraat edeceği umudunda kapılmış olduğundan, mahkemeden sonra Saip Bey’e Hınıs’da kuzu yedireceğini söylemiştir). Şeyh Sait, “ben doğruyu söyledim siz cezamı hafifletmeliydiniz” der(Aslında bu hain bir takım ayrıntı verse de, genel hatlarıyla doğru söylememiştir. İngiliz güdümüyle başlattığı bu ayaklanmanın amacı bir Kürt devleti kurmak, bunun karşılığında ise Musul’un İngiltere’ye bırakılmasında çaba göstermektir. Fakat yakalandığında bunlardan pek söz etmez, “ben bir şeriat devleti kurmak için ayaklanma başlattım' der). Saip Bey Seyh Sait’in bu sözü üzerine, “Şeyh Efendi, bundan hafif ceza olur mu? Sözleri üzerine Kürt Sait, “Artık kuzu falan kalmadı. Ne olurdu Edirne’de yüzbir sene verseydin?”der. Şeyh Sait onca kanın aktığı ayaklanmanın bedeli olarak kendi kendine yüzbir sene biçiyordu. Ama Asılarak idam edildi.
Kaynak:Kürt-İslam ayaklanması-Uğur Mumcu





Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1191.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 03:51 am

Quoting thehandsom:

You seem to forget what we have done to Kurds/Armenians/Greeks and what we are still doing to the kurds which seems to the only crowded ethnic group.


You again seem to forget what they have done to Turks, thehandsom .



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1192.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 03:43 am

Quoting catwoman:

Explain that more please. I'm really curious what you think his 'agenda', other then just saying what he thinks, is.


Ask Mr.thehandsom , im sure he knows what im putting forward moderator . Im too lazy to find some articles to post here at the moment.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Guys, you're free to disagree with him and anyone you wish in the forum, but accusing people of having secret agendas is simply ridiculous and weakens the message of your posts.


Yeah i am free to disagree but i am not accusing anyone, i just voiced what i sense and it has nothing to do weakening the message of my posts.

Quoting Daydreamer:

If Handsom's agenda is to corrupt Turkey's image then yours must be showing how wonderful, non-nationalistic, non-brainwashed, allowing everyone express their opinions in public your country is.


, simple thinking, im not trying to show anything to anyone, i just try to response the posts here. Have u ever seen me starting a thread like u mentioned in this biased forum?

Quoting Daydreamer:

What I gather from discussions like yours is that the fear and hatred towards 'the others' (those who dare to express their thoughts freely) is a proof of your nationalism. You just have to have enemies...How sad...


Dont I express my thoughts freely? Ahh i forgot, im narrow-minded, here who says Kurds/PKK are freedom-fighters express their thoughts freely but when i say Kurds are nothing but new petrol guardians of Yankees then i became nationalist/racist. But in fact in my entire life i have no connection with the nationalists or ülkücü thats the ironic part . Also i have to add that it is impossible for an ordinary Turk become more patriot among you. And what i gather from the discussions like yours is that the fear and hatred towards the people who love their country even the girls here who has Turkish/Kurdish lovers. I have problems with the ones who think instead of Turks as they try to mention that they know everything better, arrogantly and i have problems with the domestics who are flatterers and who are ungratefuls.

Quoting thehandsom:

The concept of 'foreign powers, dark forces, foreign elements, pressing of a button, secret agenda, seeds of discord etc' were invented long time ago in 70s and 80s.

*They are the ones trying to divide Turkey
*They are the ones made us lost the WWI when Germany lost
*They are the ones made Turks and Kurds enemy of each other while we were living peacefully.
*They caused the entire ermenian thing
*They are the ones who are trying to enter the unis with their turbans
*They are trying to convert our people to cristianity with those missionaries.
*They placed the entire left/right problem into Turkey years ago
*They are the people having a button somewhere in EU and USA and pressing on when Turkey does well.
*They have budgets and pay the enemy of Turks in other countries.
*They killed Ugur Mumcu, Hrant Dink etc
*They are behind the energy problem of Turkey and the death of labours in Tuzla Dockyard-It is a recent invention btw-


This is one of the current trends which foreign admirer liberals began to voice in media during the past several years. They are taking lessons for this in Europe . A propaganda method to develop insensible, unconcerned people who are kept sleep with TV series or any kind of pursuit.

Quoting thehandsom:

I am still expecting, somebody will come up with the idea that 'farting problem after eating too much kuru fasulye' is the result of 'dark forces' as well.


lol, no it is the result of nationalism , well-leveled expression btw Mr.thehandsom.



Thread: Article 301/police/19 years old/Tursun family

1193.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 05:15 am

Quoting cynicmystic:

I love it when people like you register in these forums to bash Turks.

Your double-standards are lovely.



one of them is moderator and the other one ?? i dont know what she is doing except making silly jokes, laughing or spoiling threads and but they have got multiple-standards not double, changes according to situation. Btw how long have you been in this forum to realize this?



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1194.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 05:14 am

Quoting catwoman:

This fear of someone having an agenda is pretty funny actually . What can thehandsom do with his 'agenda'? Bring down the Turkish republic? Start a terrorist organization? lol


His agenda seems no different than the ones who take millions of euros from EU. Maybe it is his future target when grows up enough moderator . Whats ur target? To look like ur profile picture with short cutted hair called Difranco, i bet you cut your hair like that...



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1195.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:36 am

Quoting cynicmystic:

Because I am under the impression that handsom starts these rather "charged" topics with a bit of an "agenda",


Quoting cynicmystic:

I think your thread is insincere my friend.


Thats what i share wholeheartedly .



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1196.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:32 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Since you accept those incursions are not solving the problem, why on earth we keep entering northern iraq with the promises from army such as 'this is it..we will finish them this time' and then killing 200-300-500 and get our soldiers killed?


What should we do since politicians are not able to produce some politics for south-east because of known reasons? Everybody knows PKK is feding up from drug smuggling and supported by the Kurds in Iraq. When terrorists kill your citizens, you should also kill them thats what the people wants, simple i think.

Quoting thehandsom:

See, even you realize that it is not the solution!!
Then, why are we NOT pursuing REAL solutions then?


Mr.thehandsom i think i expalined this you dont read carefully.

Quoting thehandsom:

we going there, killing some young people, they come back, killing our soldiers


This shows ur sincerety, you cannot even call terrorists as terrorists. You can go by with that young people Mr.thehandsom, read Baskın Oran more maybe he will give some powerpoint lessons to you also .

Quoting thehandsom:

We (Turks and Kurds) have to live together. It is the real objective!!
Now tell me! did 'going into northern iraq' (more than 25 times) bring us closer to that objective or not?


Yes it is real objective but do not forget the citizens of Turkish Republic want to live with the ones who want to live with them. As mentioned before you cannot finish them since all the supports of terrorists be cut. Kurds who are toys of imperialists just like in 20s, simply cannot live with the Turks.

Quoting thehandsom:

There are not very many deep states(or deep state descriptions) in Turkey!! Demirel, Ecevit (he never said publicly such as 'Deep state is the Army' but many insinuations) and many politicians publicly explained what deep state is.


Did i say something like there are many deep states? I said there are many counter guerilla groups which organized by CIA and each had different aim. Ecevit also mentioned the counter gurellia groups and their CIA connection.

Quoting thehandsom:

But this group always worked for the army with the knowledge of army!!


Ja sure, Army gave Turkish Army uniforms to terrorists who killed the civilians, later proved they were made in Armenia. Thats nonsense, you mean anarchy is caused by army which is the founder of this Republic.

Quoting thehandsom:

Why do you think many times some genarals are coming up and saying 'I know him, he is a nationalist' for the people taken to courts?


Actually he said that he is good sergeant not nationalist, do not bastardize thehandsom. What you want him to say he worked with him for years even if he called to give statement in court, he would say the same thing. Also it is cleared that bombing was performed by terrorists and the aim of the bombing is to weaken the army by accusing Genderme Headquarters of Turkish army.

Quoting thehandsom:

I dont think I can be kurdish-racist since I am not kurdish. And I will be glad if you show me inconsistencies in my posts


Thats not important if you are Kurdish or not, i said this because of your writings here, and it still holds Mr.thehandsom. All your posts in this forum is one-sided, i also doubt when you say something good about Turkey because in my point of view you have been never sincere. When an ordinary Turk, read your posts here, be sure that they will say the same thing to you, your agenda is clear as day. I think it is enough.

Quoting thehandsom:

Look, nationalism always requires enemies. it requires 'them'..There is always us and them in matches etc but many other citizens of other countries see 'them' as enemies as we (Turks) do.


Another bad description of nationalism by thehandsom.

Quoting thehandsom:

a tiny example here: the mother of the boy who knifed british hooligans to death, was saying on the telly, 'she was very proud of what her son did'. That type of behaviour can only be explained years and years of 'shovenistic brain washing'. She was just proud his son killed some of 'them' when he found the opportunity and he showed how nationalist he was and how much he loved his country.


, good example of ultraslan fanatics and you reached the conclusion “shovenistic brainwashing” because of his mother said, maybe she grown up with the tales of Nihal Atsız .

Quoting thehandsom:

I cant understand really, when it comes to other ideas of ataturk we are easy to forget them but when it comes to nationalism it is that hard. An example of them is 'state control'-devletcilik and we easily forgot it because it was not suitable with the free economic model. Ataturk's ideas are not god given. He himself was a revolutionist.


, Unfortunately, we lost “state-control” when Ataturk died Mr.thehandsom. And since then we do not product anything in Turkey. Actually the main aim of “state control” is to encourage productivity of the nation and do the actions for benefits of folk and the state. It also encourages private sector under the control of state. So saying it is not suitable for free-economic model is simply absurd. What happened we suddenly entered the free-econonomic model, it only accelerated the colonisation Turkey by imperialists, now we are not economically independent with billions of debts, thanks to Özal & Çiller. Just look at Cuba, dony they do trading in the world? . Simply say i hate Ataturk instead of saying “Ataturk ideas are not god given”, as far as i remember noone mentioned him as a god. Btw such a nice usage of word god from an atheist.

Quoting thehandsom:

Kurdish problem is in our borders..Do not look for the reasons outside..
Reading 'sark islahat plani' thread might be a good start to understand what the real problem is.


lol, Reading “Seyh Said Rebellion” maybe a good start for you i think, do not come to “Şark Islahat Planı” before the “Seyh Sait Rebellion”, and then maybe you can understand if it is in our borders or not, Mr.thehandsom .

Quoting thehandsom:

we have to learn to live together peacefully..what are you going to to do with 15 million kurds then?


Read avaloncravens post and see what we are going to do with 15 million Kurds. Btw good post avaloncraven, you deserve more than two pennies .



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1197.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 04:32 am

Sorry double post



Thread: football

1198.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2008 Tue 02:49 am

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting Faruk:

The score is 2-0, Portugal wins



Just got home - watched the match - bad luck Turkey - better luck on Wednesday!


We always lose to Portugal just like in 2000 & 1996. And i do not think Turkey will succeed because of Terim ,im irritated when i see him or hear him talking. I hope i err and Turkey will qualify.
My favorite Italy lost to Holland today in the most powerful group.



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1199.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2008 Tue 02:30 am

Sorry for interrupting

Quoting thehandsom:

I previously mentioned this on several occasions : We entered northern Iraq many times -I lost count to be honest-
They did not solve anything. did they?


Did it need to solve the problem? I think no need, we entered Iraq using our international rights and if the attacks continues, our rights also reserved. They came from Iraq, killed our people then you want Turkey to watch, we sure go and kill the terrorists.

Quoting thehandsom:

I am still amazed after zillions of incursions, people -generically speaking- still support these, while shaking with national pride!!
All we end up with deads..
This is very sad, annoying and quite pathetic.


Because people want to see them killed who first sneaky killed civilians, soldiers. Are u still amazed? Tell the terrorists, do not kill our people, do not damage the peace of country then maybe you wont.

Quoting thehandsom:

I don't think you have much knowledge about the deep state in Turkey. when you say 'SO-called deep-state', you show your 'impeccable' knowledge about it by trying to make them as a trivial matter.


The fact i called like that i thought they do not represent the folks of Turkey. Actually they are not deep, but no one can touch them or their puppets because of external protection. Mr.handsom do u think Turkey is free country? Turkey lost her freedom in 60s

Quoting thehandsom:

So what is deep-state exactly, in a nutshell?
As Demirel (ex PM and the ex president of Turkey) put it: 'Deep state is the Army'. btw..


Haha, Demirel did not use the words “deep state” with the same meaning of yours. He confessed something there; said “we have inability to govern the country because of anarchy”. And whats the source of anarchy? Army caused anarchy?. Surely not, at that period actually during the period of cold war, CIA organised many counter guerilla organisations as a strategy of NATO in country against the ideology of communism and lots people died because of this silly cold war games of two-poled world. But also army made lots of mistakes especially Evren. And MIT was used to control these groups by CIA. Mumcu realised that there was a relation between these counter guerilla groups, cia and pkk. Thats the betrayers i mean, then see what happened pkk firstly given under the control of Iran, after Syria and now found their real masters. See how crooked relations. PKK had never given a decision with self determination in its history always related to external sources. And Uğur Mumcu detected these betrayers who permeated in the state, could also be army members but saying deep state army is nonsense. As i said before the ones who did not accept the exacted south-east politics, immediately annihilated like Mumcu or general Eşref Bitlis.

Quoting thhandsom:

Ugur Mumcu was killed by the deep state..was he not?


Yes, but not the deep state u described.

Quoting thehandsom:

Well I disagree on that..
We have to live together..


Who says? And i talked about the Kurds who serves for the aims of imperialists and the ones who dream a Kurdistan on the lands of Turkey.

Quoting thehandsom:

But what I am sure that, most of the Turks are unaware of where the borders of those terms.


But you sure . You the only one aware of .

Quoting thehandsom:

If you think that what you have as nationalism in turkey is the nationalism Ataturk tried to implement, then you have no idea about the transformation of Turkish nationalism during second world war.


What you try to say?. Somebody erased the ideology of Atatürk nationalism during WW2, students still learn them in schools.

Quoting thehandsom:

What you have is the racist nationalism of Nihat Atsiz not nationalism of Ataturk!!
Even if we ignore Nihal Atsiz factor, we are talking about the time which was 100 years ago. It was the rise of nationalism etc.


Haha, and you follow the nationalism of Atatürk? You contradict yourself above. You are talking about here that Kurds were obsessed, imprisoned ,why you only needed to voice Kurds, or u forgot the mention Turks or other ethnicities who were obsessed, imprisoned during the same period. You are double-faced Mr.handsom, and I can call u Kurdish-racist.

Quoting the handsom:

Nationalism itself, as an ideolgy, classify people as 'us' and 'them' .


These completely wrong description. Whats the classification dependant? If race, then it is racism. All nations in the world call people “us” and “them”. They support their countries football team while playing against another country for example.

Quoting thehandsom:

That is part of the reason why it is easy to slide into racism from nationalism (same rule applies to religion as well).


This not includes Atatürk nationalism. And i guess u will again say i have no knowledge of transfromation of Turkish nationalism.

Quoting thehandsom:

The Kurdish problem is purely the result of this extremist nationalism for example. And it is so obvious, the extend of nationalism is undermining Ataturk's main objective of westernization for Turkey..


, You are again false, if u want to see the source of Kurdish problem, just read again my previous post, you will observe who are real problems and this atmosphere surely encourages extremists just like left-right fight before, now ethnicity is being used.

Quoting thehandsom:

As one of our professors(Baskin Oran) put it 'nationalism was the necessary to build a state 100 years ago but now you have to get rid of the nationalism in order to keep your state together'.


Again not includes Atatürk nationalism. Baskın Oran, sweety old-man, confusing all and himself also .



Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1200.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jun 2008 Sat 01:40 am

Quoting CANLI:

Because they dont get what they want from them anyway !

The İraq war is a good example too
So in return,although USA and UK occupy İraq,and surely protecting the borders is their responsibilities
Or their puppet government 'İf US ordered them of course' but still it didnt stop the PKK and their attacks,by protecting the borders of the country under their authorities
So made a mess and let Türkiye handle it
İt will be gain by all means
- Will keep İraq occupied in a war with Türkiye and save USA and UK some headache
- Will make Türkiye occupied in a war with PKK and may need or ask for USA help ...what a catch
- USA will be against the Turkish operation in the first as a peace maker 'as it happened',then will agree with it,because its looking for its allay interests 'making Türkiye a favor as if turkish will buy it '
- Türkiye will lose its credibility in both the Middle East and the İslamic world for fighting İraq

Türkiye was smart enough not falling in it and the operations were limited as they have said ,and we were smart enough not condemning Türkiye too,so they didnt lose their credibility

İf this is how allaies plays for each other favors,i dont want to think about how will they play against
We have proverb says ' Oh God YOU handle my friends,but my enemies i will handle'


Good observations but missing lots of dots. These are maybe short-term targets. Middle-east is a deep dark well. As for the Kurdish issue part, it is also known that since Arab-Israeli war Kurds are in contact with CIA & Mossad and still continues. And after the first Gulf war including PKK, Kurds went under the control of USA. So it is not possible to get rid of PKK with USA. Uğur Mumcu realised this and wrote seeing future before he bombed . He wrote in his column ““If Kurds are freedom fighters,making war against colonial expansion, whats the mission of CIA and Mossad with Kurds? Or, CIA &Mossad were fighting against antiimperalism and the world could not notice this?”.
The thing people here could not understand that Turkia is unable to develop politics for south-east. The ones who tries to develop annihilated. Be sure that all of them Kurdish issue related. And by this government Turkia is unable to develop politics for the whole country. As far as i remember our “the handsom” member related them to deep state of Turkia even PKK issue. But his knowledge about deep state is like his history knowledge. The so-called deep-state is nothing but betrayers who permeated into the state especially in MIT, who are in contact with CIA & Mossad. Mumcu got realised this and killed. So it is clear that Turks and Kurds cannot live together anymore since they were promised by imperialists. They are also using Kurds to threaten Iran, building very big airports, army centers, in North Iraq by the help of them And for the last years, PKK is trying to be legalised by them, first step came from EU Brussels. Shortly Kurds are the latest subcontarctors of global forces who fed up with bloody money.

Quoting Daydreamer:

But it's not really why I think it's better they left. I don't mind anyone having whatever ideas. Their eagerness to insult everyone and pose threads is the reason. And, frankly speaking, I find it surprising that you, always being fair and polite, don't mind that.


Actually most of the active Turkish users left the site because of unjustiness of moderator. Imagine a moderator, do not respect people opinions, swear and insult more than members, obsessed with Islam, history and pride of Turks. As a result Turkish members continually provoked by some members and at last they lost their control.Finally the site becomes a place like; let me express this with a Turkish idiom shortly “Kendiniz çalıp kendiniz oynuyorsunuz”.

Quoting Daydreamer:

They got paranoid, looked for terrorist plots and supporters everywhere and that lost them.


Paranoid?? Just have a look to Americans to see paranoids. Let me quote again from Mumcu, he wrote in 1984 in his column “ Members of US congress who announced 24th April genocide date and who supports Armenian terrorist organizations, are the descendants of Americans who tried to establish and Armenian state on our lands in 1920”. This written in 1984 and today seems nothing changed and Turks are paranoids huh?

Quoting Avalon:

I am not Turkish but of Turkish origin and believe me my family never consider themselves racists although their opinions are so close not to say the same like jan's and lapin's.Strange,perhaps the point of view changes when u emigrate as a Turk abroad and get the grasp of so called reform wind?no idea!


Do not take him serious, he do not represent the Turkey, just explains his opinions like everybody. But it seems he has a different agenda. He confuses all terms like nationalistic-patriotic-racist. It is the fact that Turkia is based on Atatürk nationalism, i dont doubt he will call Atatürk nationalism as racism. We see what happens if it is corrupted nowadays. If one invalidates this, country becomes a bloody lake. Will be like free-democratic Iraq , shiites are killing sunnis, sunnis are killing shiites, Kurds killing Turkmens.



Thread: would someone be very kind and translate E-T

1201.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jun 2008 Thu 12:05 am

Hayatın garantisi yok.
Gerçekler her zaman acıtır.
Bu testi gerçekten aldın mı?
Çok fazla mil, çok fazla yıl



Thread: Turkish street food

1202.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 10:09 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Well I was merely saying I refuse to be barefoot I simply dont go on those toilets.



but u dont need to take off ur trousers DK



Thread: Turkish street food

1203.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jun 2008 Tue 10:03 am

Quoting ninja:

No, it is not hamsi which is kind of small fish.

I like 'watching' this thread, not just reading as there are pictures from toilets to fishes, lol



it is the balık called uskumru , imported from Norway mostly which has a very heavy smell



Thread: Jews of Khazaria, brief history

1204.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Jun 2008 Sun 05:47 pm

Khazar empire is one of the biggest Turkish state, which also symbolized on presidency flag of Turkish Republic with a star like other 15 states. Most of Khazar Turks converted to Judaism, began with the immigration of Jewish people in the empire. Today the askenaz jews are supposed to be the descendants of Khazar Turks.



Thread: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are plagiarized

1205.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 May 2008 Fri 08:55 pm

Look, whos talking about respect , post of ignorance and immaturity. Maybe again her Turkish boyfriend sent this ridicule joke . And just one reply from Kuran;

“whenever they hear vain talk of ridicule, they withdraw from it decently and say, 'To us our deeds and to you yours - Peace be upon you! We do not seek out the ignorant.' “


Quoting zhang ziyi:


You indeed need to learn to respect the other people and their ways of being.





Thread: Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are plagiarized

1206.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2008 Thu 11:55 pm

Not so much interesting since God had sent to every nation/folk a messenger who preached the same teachings .



Thread: What are you listening now?

1207.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 May 2008 Tue 02:15 am

Just come across with this song, reminds me my teenage period
Seyyal Taner-1992



Thread: who has lapin threatened today?

1208.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 02:43 am

A mature post finally in this needless topic from libralady...



Thread: What is your mood today?

1209.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 02:40 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

I have the same, only it's called free tv online
I know who mentioned Susie Wong -> a person not called armagedon addressed me with the words 'you are wrong susie wong' Was he trying to imply something?


That post was not adressed u, if u did care, i quoted from another member in that post, thought her name is susie wong because of AlphaFs post in other thread calling her with this name.



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1210.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 May 2008 Mon 02:33 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

I think we're talking about two different things here. I was talking about what Alameda said about the word used in the video. In the context of the video only the word beat would suit logically.


I didnt watch the video so there is a misunderstanding, i thought post was adresssed to me.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Still, I would love you to quote me a passage about what men's punishment is if he rebels against family or society.


There is no meaning of physical punishment in that interpretation, the following verse advices both to reconcile, same said for both to reconcile if women expreience ill-treatment from men(4:128).
Look Dd, when u say problem is religious leaders or using their way of Islam to rule a country, using religion for politics or ignorance, i will completely agree but when u say problem is Islam, i completely disagree thats why we argue since the beginning. Im not the supporter of so-called Islamic states which uses sheria law to rule country , depends 90% on hadiths and traditions. Thats the major reason Mustafa Kemal forbid all cults(still causes problems in Türkiye),seperate state from religion and changed the regime into Republic. Btw some of the Arabic states are still also monarchy. Each have different laws, differs from country to country mostly based on traditions which were made holy.
As for ur questions, i dont know the laws of Arab countries exactly to explain, each are different so i cant reply ur questions in general. But i can clearly say that women(people) have no proper rights in them, so this crooked system should be changed, thats what im saying from the beginning. I think it is clear now.

Quoting Daydreamer:

However, what always surprises me is how eager are Muslims to defend those who break basic human rights just because they believe it saves the face of their religion.


Noone defend them but when people realize the intention behind them and when it turns out to degrade Islam propogand rather than human-rights, of course people also react to this.



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1211.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2008 Sat 10:25 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

And that word...Using analogy to the example I gave (the substitution method) If I say 'I can X a rock' X can be replaced by both move and hit. A bit different from the beat word


Actually not different. You do not read Daydreamer(i began to believe nothing changes also if u read ). This word has over 100 meanings and there are also English translations/interpretation of verse which translates differently; see one interpretation below;

Quote:

In verse 4:34 we are told to Idribuuhun the women if they rebel against the society or family. So what can we idrib with women:

-We can idrib=hit the women.
-We can idrib=seperate from the women
-We can idrib=admonish them with examples
-We can idrib=have sex with them

So what is more logical in 4:34? We first read that we must talk to them, then leave them alone in the bedroom to show you are serious, and then... what? Hit them? Does that really make sense? Does that really convince them, or just make them afraid of you? Also what does rebellion mean here? Can the rebellion be determined by the man himself? Or must this be done by the State? Must we seperate from them?
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First of all, this verse does not refer to husband and wife, it uses the words Rijaal=men and Nisa=women in general.
..............................
So the infamous verse 4:34 is not about husband and wife relationship at all. It is about the roles of men and women which they must perform in society
..............................



Quoting Daydreamer:

Armegon will applaud her findings and find a verse from the bible talking about killing or the like. He will ignore the fact that no custom of violence is justified in bible. Oh, are we in the middle ages again?


Haha, thats what you do with ur partners all the time here , . Find a video or any document , turn it into religious or kind of debate, applaud eachother and make fun of other people’s belief. Its my first time here posting a verse from bible, on the contrary you and your fellow friends posting verses continually. I guess you also think all men in east beating their wifes and the videos are the proof, you really funny …



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1212.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 08:37 pm

Quoting the handsom:

Dont be cross please..
I was just correcting 'the wrongs' here..

I would be glad if you had any answers though, just to check if there is something new from islamic camp or it is just the same defense coming back again and again.



Hahaha, dont be lazy Mr. thehandsom, go and read, btw do not forget to visit jesus camp after islamic camp.



Thread: EXPLORE YOUR CITY IN TÜRKİYE

1213.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:56 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

Experience about world history, world life, etc.



Aha ok, thanks again



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1214.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:54 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

haha
I dont have time either mate..
And I am not looking for answers really as I dont have any unanswered questions about religions in my head.


Ehh, then u dont need my answers as i dont need ur questions

Quoting thehandsom:


But then, I would suggest, you should go to the source of the problem, rather than messing about sheiks, cults, hadiths etc..
lol



hmmm, thats ur opinion, i would suggest, you should research and read more mate , instead of parroting the same things here...



Thread: EXPLORE YOUR CITY IN TÜRKİYE

1215.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:44 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

Armegon, Have a nice day in the Middle East.We wish you good luck.
This is a good experience for you.


, thank u Yılgün, btw what kind of experience u mean ?



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1216.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:39 pm

Ohhh Mr. thehandsom, you are asking too much, i wrote about these many times here and got bored. I dont have much that time to explain them, can u please do a little research about my posts here? Im the one here who always badly criticized so-called religious leaders, hadiths, cults and sheiks etc, maybe u can find ur answers ...



Thread: EXPLORE YOUR CITY IN TÜRKİYE

1217.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:16 pm

I agree with Yılgün , Ankara is the best, especially Çayyolu-Ümitköy-Konutkent 2, because i live there , i am know away in middle-east temporarily, i missed Ankara



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1218.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 07:07 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, and that attempt with the meaning - that was actually weak, as I showed in the previous post. Was this word without context, its meaning might be doubtful.


Let me give another example of this word through Kuran. For example, “idribbiAAasaka alhajara” is normally translated with “hit the rock with your staff”. Here “idribbi” comes from “Darb” and is referred to the rock. Namely you can idrib=hit rock but you can also idrib=move the rock. This verse is from the parable of Moses in Kuran which is usually translated as “hit” under the influence of Bibles because in Bible Moses hit rock and the water came out but it can also mean Moses moved rock and water came out. Same is also valid for these verse. Possibly translators affected from hadiths influenced from Bibles which are very violent against women.
So it seems not weak, in Turkish translation of Kuran there are 3 different approach to that word.



Thread: Dear mr president

1219.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 06:02 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting armegon:

I said only "maybe" as you know in very very old times , if a woman raped, loses her honour and called "prostitute" in the public.


.. and possibly tamikidakika is a ghost from the past

Honestly, I think he just wanted to be nasty.


lol You are tamikidakika's companion from past , as you are sure about Mohammed...



Thread: Dear mr president

1220.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 05:48 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

But then he wouldn't have called her prostitute. Being raped does not make you one, does it?

I think he just wanted to make a joke


I said only "maybe" as you know in very very old times , if a woman raped, loses her honour and called "prostitute" in the public.



Thread: Dear mr president

1221.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 05:43 pm

Quoting magnadea:

I am biting my tongue, but do you REALLY want me to talk about another man who liked young girls?


What happened? Werent u agnostic and suddenly became pope defender ? . You are all multiple-faced …



Thread: Dear mr president

1222.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 05:42 pm

Quoting Saskia1970:

Read your (holy) books dear, before you make statements. Mary Magdalena was indeed a prostitute but she was not the same woman who gave birth to Jezus. You're mixing up two people.


As far as i know tamikidakika is not muslim, he confessed here. Btw muslims, do not belive the same Jesus which depicted in bibles because of this they are muslim . Maybe tamikidakika tries to mention the this;Jesus the result of rape



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1223.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2008 Fri 05:36 pm

Again, im late to respone, hows catwoman's provoking site going ?


Quoting Daydreamer:

do you really think that women in Arab counties have as many rights that they can exercise as in, let's say, Europe?


I have no claim like above but i have problems with the ones who tries to stick all wrong-doings in the name Islam instead of people or states or traditions or politics, mixing all of them.
I dont think u pay attention but let me give a link from a Quranic perspective of Women in Islam.

Quoting Daydreamer:

It is nobody's aim here to show that Islam is bad, Europe is grand.



Then whats the aim of posting propogand videos here?

Quoting Daydreamer:

But you have to be blind not to notice huge differences as far as the approach to women goes.



So what is the point? Mean to say it is the fault of Islam? Please say it clearly, dont hide ur feelings like warmonger, unbalanced catwoman. You have to be blind not to notice it is not .

Quoting Daydreamer:

Of course, you may live a happy life thinking that all media lies and all are Israeli (or Jewish) propaganda. Well, they're not.


Didnt you confess also about the anti-islamic broadcasting of media? Do u remember media propogand before 2001? You may live a happy life thinking Islam is the most violent religion. But sudenly i realized, u change ur opinions in ur last post. Anyway u can turn?

Quoting Daydreamer:

Not credible as she's based in the USA, right?


This will be or is a good material for propogand or for missionaries. Hey look, hows women treated in Islam the most violent religion ? Being unaware that none of them are orders of Islam.

Quoting Daydreamer:

I don't understand why you're deciding to turn a blind eye to what goes on in the world...


Same applies to you also.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Actually I don't consider myself very open-minded.


Post was not adressed to you , you replied, anyways…

Quoting Daydreamer:

Actually I don't consider myself very open-minded. What I questioned, however, was the intention why you expressed such support to Alameda-The-Israeli-Is-Unreliable, if you support what she believes in so much, it means you find the situation depicted in the videos that you didn't watch not credible. And the fact that it was a video translated by an organisation sponsored by the Israeli intelligence, made you agree on its lack of credibility. And, consequently, if you find those videos not true, it means that you find the situation of women in Arab countries (Lebanon here) different to what those videos show.



I thanked to Alameda because she researched and unveiled the intention behind the video. I have never said anything about the videos whether they are depicted true or not. Blaming Islam results nothing, only hatred between the people grows as i said before.

Then lets see as an example what some passasges of bibles says about women which gathers no result and still billions believe them nothing matters if they practice or not...

Quote:

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.



Source

And again good research Alameda about the word 'dharaba'. Edip Yüksel who i do not always agree, translated the word in that verse like 'admonish them with examples' which maybe the closest meaning i think.



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1224.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 04:27 pm

Bak sen , are u the new open-minded ?, unfortunately i do not expect an objective video from one who posts wilders video here , so i did not watch. Btw i watched enough of them and think no need to watch the ones here. Anything wrong Susie Wong?( lol became rhymed).
Having no clue, if u did care, i did not comment on videos, i only said i thought and alameda confrims this with the research. You came to a conclusion from my one-post here that i have no clue on subjects , really funny…

p.s: i will reply u later Daydreamer if i have time, btw my nick is armegon , not armegeddon…

Quoting zhang ziyi:

It means that you have a closed mind and you fear everything that clashes with your world. It means you resist everything having no clue on subjects and having not investigated beforehand whatever you come across labeling any outside information as anti-Islamic.



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1225.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 May 2008 Wed 02:00 pm

Thank you for the research alameda

I didnt watch the videos,because at first i thought they are examples of the anti-islam propogand videos on youtube like other thousands of them.



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1226.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 03:50 pm

Quoting MrX67:

anlayamadım?? i'm just against to all prejudicies and i'm on the side of maximum tolerance.Sure i'm not to mad for defend any wrong thing,i'm just against to blame a whole culture about some wrong samples.How can a spesific country or a few bad samples represent a whole culture or belief??we all have to show more effort for creating a more peacfull world instead of to make deeper diversities and prejudicies...And again i want to replay critism sure needed and usefull for fix problems but away from all double standarts by to be all objective..



I agree MrX



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1227.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 03:49 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

were there any provokings which I missed?
Surely, I would not miss if they had substance!!



Why do u think he shouted like below ?

Quoting MrX67:

long liveeeeeeee who beathing his wifeeeee and long liveeeeeee to all systems which supporting beating wife!!!!



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1228.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 03:32 am

Difficult question, i thought they are educated and educating. Somehow you met by chance with open-minded ones...



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1229.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 03:16 am

Yeah you are right, you understand nicely, what we will do if you dont...



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1230.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 02:48 am

Then most of the teachers and professors are also close-minded but Mustafa Whitepath, thehandsom and incişka are open-minded



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1231.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 02:44 am

Quoting thehandsom:

Jesus said that to his close friends. That is the reason why it was not recorded..



he endured very well to all provokings, but at last he blowed up



Thread: GAME IS OVER FOR HOLLYWOOD'S MOVIE STARS

1232.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 01:38 am

Karnım ağrıdı gülmekten
Yılgun sen bir numarasın



Thread: Wife beating in Islam - the woman is totally isolated

1233.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 01:33 am

If you can manage to argue with MrX67 then there is no normal Turkish people except flatterers and admin, youll be able to converse with. MrX67 is the Jesus of this site . And you call him nationalistic lol



Thread: GAME IS OVER FOR HOLLYWOOD'S MOVIE STARS

1234.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 May 2008 Tue 01:22 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting yilgun-7:

Aferin sana, küçük kız.
İyi öğrenmişsin.



Bu laflar ne demek yahu?


[What's that supposed to mean, ey?]



lol

Please do not disturb yilgun, DK and engima



Thread: Could you translate short sms to english, please, thank you

1235.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 May 2008 Mon 10:59 pm

I waited for sms from you whole day. Are you ok? Are you busy with your works my love? I thinked of you all the day.



Thread: one sentence translation t-e,lüften

1236.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 May 2008 Mon 10:58 pm

I too missed you my dear, i want to see you and kiss from your nice lips as soon as possible.



Thread: TC Weddings

1237.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 May 2008 Mon 02:49 am

Quoting janissary:

how Romantic

did he build this site for you?



lol

maybe only time for our respected admin to take a breath when she is playing around on the site



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1238.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 May 2008 Sun 01:18 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

But he is right on spot..Is he not? lol


yes, he is.



Asked to me why you jumped like we said in Turkish “yırtık don misali”
Answer: No lol



Thread: Why most 'educated' Turks are more close-minded!!

1239.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 May 2008 Sun 03:06 am

Hmmm, nice reading from American product evangelist liberal islamist...
Way to go Mustafa Whitepath



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1240.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2008 Fri 04:46 am

Quoting thehandsom:

I am not sure about your defence about article 301 and the way you look at the changes Turkey is trying to do to its consutition right now.


Im not trying to defend the law, im just pointing out the double standards.

Quoting thehandsom:

I guess you are supporting one of these strange groups which try to associate the changes to the consitutition to sevr.


Which group? I do not support any group, i only tell my opionions. And about the sevr, u cannot blame people to think like that when they see the double standards of EU or maps of middle east which published in US military journals, simply people do not trust and believe their sincerity. So mr thehandsom which strange group do you fall into? the group of flatterers?

Quoting thehandsom:

It was ambiguous, confusing, open to interptretation, cloudy, vague.


Agreed. It should be stated clearly.

Quoting thehandsom:

I quite like know how many court cases opened against its intellects in half way decent europen countries for insulting 'britishness/germanness/polishness etc'.


It is not our point here i think…

Quoting thehandsom:

We should have changed those anti democratic laws (many from the army times from 1983) by ourselves.


Agreed but by ourselves, i think we do not need anyone to teach anything by meddling in our internal affairs.

Quoting thehandsom:

And I still dont get the hatred people feel about Orhan Pamuk..


I do not mind Pamuk, he can do whatever he want but not provoking people.

Quoting thehandsom:

I am sorry but I can show you many many surets from Kuran here and your only defence will be 'wrong interpretation' for them.


I am sorry but i can show you refutations to them and then you will come with new questions. So it is better for u to research, actually you can find ur answers from net, if u make a good research. If u are interested, i can give u somelinks . Islam do not need reform as u cant change Kuran but for sure people needs.



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1241.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2008 Fri 01:15 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

No problem, I hope it went good


Thank you…

Quoting Daydreamer:

It's pretty hard to respond to your post after it is cut in one-liners. I'll do in in bulk if you don't mind.


No problem, i will do the same and try to give short replies.
1) It seems you sticked the law 301, let me remind u same kind of laws exists in European countries just look at Italy for example and 301 is also changed now. If u wanna see stunning laws, it is better u to search in European countries, as an example saying; there hadnt been anything called Armenian genocide, surprisingly banned in European countries who are so-called the castle of freedom like French & Austria. Actually i think Turkey exaggerated this freedom of speech issue, every day u heard a state or government member or also in Parliament insult the basis of this country and nothing happenned to them. In addition banning of that site has nothing to do with the government. I guess u begin to think that im one of the supporter of this government, actually not, i can clearly say that this government is the puppet of US and Europe as i said many times here, they became superior by the help of them just they have supported radicals before. And again i think ur comments sounds naive to me, because todays government and Pamuk are on same boat. As for the books and writings of Pamuk, as far as i know his books are publicly sold in country. And about media issue, this government recaptured most of them, so u cant criticize them basically, i think u do not follow well Turkish inside policy, this government is fighting from the beginning with judgement, military and all the basis of this country so Europe should look after them well, they do everything that Europe and US wants.
2) Its good that CANLI changed ur views but i mean to say from the beginning that i cant feel it from ur posts. I think it is clear now.
3) Sorry for that. But as a note same insults made many times to Turkish members of this and they cannot get any excuse.
4) OK…
5) Same here
6) hmmm integrate, i began to dislike this word after “democratizing”. Simply what will they integrate? They can live their life how they want, if they do not break any laws of that country or disturb any other people, right?
7) No problem, OK…
8) I think i explained this, it is an inference from ur posts . I thought u learned terms from media because if u know something before, u dont write what western media parroting all the time.
9) I think there had been a misunderstanding , anyways…
10 ) I explained this, i said illogical because of your comment “it about nowadays”. No, Islam is not distorted by people, Islam is the same, the only problem is ignorance of people who dont know their religion and the political or religious leaders using this to gain power, its my point from the beginning.

11) I was talking about Bosnia. UN was watching when people were being killed, I remember one Dutch General who was very good at watching.



Thread: Burqa,offensive and laughable

1242.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 11:42 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

And than everybody agrees that veiling was the tradition came to islam from jews...


Thats the truth. In Addition i also think that it is a regional and a traditional wearing because of geographic conditions. In Arabian Peninsula men also cover their faces in order to protect themselves from sand storms.



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1243.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 May 2008 Wed 11:32 pm

Sorry for late response, i went to a business trip

Quoting Daydreamer:

I didn't try to mention the virgins, I did mention them. And, using English, I used the official translation of the word.


There is no official translation of the word “hoor-houri”, some translated them as “companions” or “maidens” or “spouses” or “gorgeous companions with big eyes” but the literal meaning of “hoor” is white/pure/crystal clear. According to Quran it can be both male or female. So it applies to both men and women.

Quoting Daydreamer:

I'm glad you bothered to read my discussions with Canli. Oh, wait a second - you didn't. That's why you don't know that she actually did change my view about some aspects of Islam. Namely - the theoretical and practical side of it. She pointed out that what is written and how it is interpreted differ. No big surprise, actually, that's the case with every single religion.


Did i say CANLI changed ur views of Islam? I just only pointed out what she mentioned, is futile because you do not consider or want to understand them .

Quoting Daydreamer:

And where did I write that?


Didnt u mention in ur quote below that banning youtube is hiding secrets of a country about its past. And i asked do you think people are learning their past from youtube? Anything weird?

Quoting Daydreamer:

Of course, you may choose to think that a country that bans a site with videos hides no secrets about its past from its citizens.


Quoting Daydreamer:

I just draw a conclusion that if your government control what you watch, they might also be controlling what you read.


It maybe happened in past but now no one can control what u read because of net. About the ban of youtube, i also got angry. But as far as i know , it is asked to site owner to remove that videos but got no response to this request. Then one citizen sued the site. But it is known u can also access that site in other ways because there is no blockage in country exit.

Quoting Daydreamer:

As for Islam being the most violent religion, I gave my reason for it. I also added that it is about nowadays,


Quoting Daydreamer:

Why can't you just respond without insulting or making snap judgements?


Where did i insult in my post? It was a just a allusion. I thought u think like wilders, anything wrong? Thats only my impression according to ur posts in this forum. If it is wrong, you do not need to offend, and i learned this now . I didnt read what u wrote about wilders before.

Quoting Daydreamer:

I know you'd like to see all westerners brainwashed and toeing one line. Sorry. Too much individualism here. You know, it's actually allowed!


No not like that. I see many enlightened westerners. Actually i have friends from europe who i continually contact.

Quoting Daydreamer:

How do I put it so that you understood...NO. Where did I write THAT?


Just see what you said in below quote, İslam is being violent nowadays, i think u know the meaning of nowadays. If u say “it is about nowadays” , it is one of the prospectives that will understood like that.

Quoting Daydreamer:

As for Islam being the most violent religion, I gave my reason for it. I also added that it is about nowadays,


Quoting Daydreamer:

What western media do is showing only the fanatic face of Islam. The forced marriages I wrote about, the suicide bombers etc. But why shouldn't they? Radical Islamists are part of this world and, as the terrorist attacks showed, constitute a threat. Was the West really that biased and anti-Islam,


But it is not the fanatic face of Islam, it is of face radicals who are using Islam. Also muslims are part of this world, i doubt they show something good about real muslims, if u watch US news channels, u can understand what i mean. As for the West being biased, i can say yes absolutely, but thats my impression.

Quoting Daydreamer:

all Muslims would be kicked out of Europe or the US, Muslims wouldn't get all those extra rights that they get in secular states. Why doesn't it happen?


Muslims went there to gain money, most of them are from poor countries, and Europe countries need their workforce to live Europeans beter life, they do all the bad jobs, be sure that if they do not need them, they will be posted immediately.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Too bad, people like you, still accuse us of seeing just one face of Islam. We don't. Read, think, think again and then post lies.


I do not accuse anyone, thats how i recognize you on this forum according to ur posts. So please check your words carefully about calling me lier, because you gave that impression to me.

Quoting Daydreamer:

How do you know what I had known about Islam before it went to the media?


you do not read carefully, lady. What i wrote there, i began the sentence with “i guess”.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Oh, right...you assume that all westerners live in the dark, are hardly literate, know nothing about other cultures and religions.


No, not like that, u did the same thing what u accused me of, thats ur made-up, my sentiments only comprises warmongers like wilders and who make people eacother hate.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Then, should a fad come, they immediately become experts on media releases. I've heard Buddhism is next.


Havent u already confessed that western media shows only the radicals? That means u are also expert on media releases . Ahh i forgot you have many expertises.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Yes, your logic is stunning.


Same is valid for u, i sometimes thought u are playing naive.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Is that what you're trying to say here?


I tried to say people mostly muslims are killed, massacred in the middle of Europe or in Iraq or any country invaded but we dont see enough response from the west countries who are the defenders of Human rights, when muslims killed Human Rights suddenly forgotten, and people see this double standards.

Quoting Daydreamer:

It's crap in both cases. It is about money and influence


Agreed, surprisingly.

Quoting Daydreamer:

West doesn't give a damn about Islam. It's Muslims themselves that gave Islam a bad name. West only used what they gave them.


Its again in both ways.

Quoting Daydreamer:

I recall saying Christianity used to be violent but not anymore, but Islam being peaceful? Where did I say it?


I think i explaned this



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1244.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 05:04 am

Quoting Daydreamer:

First of all, the word 'Poles' is written with a capital letter. Though I'm sure that was just a slip of the finger, not something you did on purpose. That'd be too low, right?


Ohh sorry about that,i modified it immediately. I think it became habit for me because everyday im writing 9mtr Rooftop pole, 6mtr Rooftop pole or Rooftop poles etc .

Quoting Daydreamer:

Catwoman was right. You may hate it, you may like to follow your country's policy of sweeping dirt under the carpet, but you can't help it.


What are u talking about? I hate nothing, I only do not like, people talking as they know everything just like u done above about my country’s policy. If u are talking about the todays policy, i do not like them also, actually ithought there is no policy of Turkey after 1950s.

Quoting Daydreamer:

People who are not Turkish do know Turkish history and people who aren't Muslims may have an opinion about Islam.


You are now talking general. Im talking about you not people, for example u mentioned Jihad and tried to mention 72 houri(not virgin) here but actually you only know and want to believe what u heard from mass western media , any anti-islamic source . Im sure CANLI got bored, writing the same things here just like before i was doing. But u still do not consider any of them and stay bounded and brainwashed.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Of course, you may choose to think that a country that bans a site with videos hides no secrets about its past from its citizens. But it is your choice, not everybody's here. Just try to get a wider picture of the world and acknowledge that some people perceive things differently. Some people have access to materials you don't.


Do you think people learning their past from youtube? And Did i say something like youtube ban is necessary for Turkia? Thats only ur illusion, It seems you get a wilders picture of world.

Quoting Daydreamer :

As for Islam being the most violent religion, I gave my reason for it. I also added that it is about nowadays, but as usual you read only what you found convenient for yourself. Can you prove the otherwise? Can you find a religion that uses people with Down's syndrome as suicide bombers and lets them die with the word Allah on their mouth? Can you find a religion that STILL forces women into marriages they don't want?


And you mean Islam is violent nowadays not in past, interesting , Islam is always same but people not. Did Islam be violent after 911? Then there was no suicide bombers before? Western media is pumping all these crap to people and make people hate eachother. Look, Islam does not approve any of them above so these are not the fault of religion but the people who dont know their religion well or some other factors. I said this many times here, some religous leaders use religion for their benefits mostly political, then is it the false of İslam or the people? People also patching traditions to religion just like u patched above about forced marriage.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Whatever your religion is and whatever mine, we cant change the fact that it is Islam whose picture has been distorted and abused these days.


For me nothing changed about Islam, for u, i guess u knew nothing about Islam before and now u are brainwashed by ur media that all evil is Islam.


Quoting Daydreamer:

Somehow Christians don't put up the 'In God we trust' banners and don't go on a killing spree hoping to get 72 virgins after killing some Muslims.


The ones who killed millions of muslims are called christian countries, does not matter it was a religious crusade or political as a result people killed. At the same time you accuse muslims making an holy religous war(please do not mention again western media’s understanding of Jihad) but not political. It is not fair.

Quoting Daydreamer:

They're more busy trying to get control in Europe as its popularity is going down. Abortion, euthanasia, gay marriages and many more contradict the Christian way. But there you are trying to prove that a religion that can't even get its primary domain respect its basic laws has enough power to motivate people to go on a crusade. Please. Think again.


You should also think twice while calling a religion violent and please try to allege more logical claims like “Islam was not violent before but it is most violent religion now”.



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1245.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2008 Tue 04:48 am

Quoting catwoman:

were you by chance one of those who were crying blood that we were 'generalizing Turkish people' too much?


If wanting fairness and justice means crying to u, yes i cried, and this expression shows ur level and how u moderate forum. Arent you the one calling Turks racist?

Quoting catwoman:

I hope not all Turks are as simple minded as you are.


Standard catwoman’s provoking personal insults like “you are not open-minded, simple-minded etc”. You can hope Turks are simple minded as u called Turks before racist. Yah u are the omly one here with complicated-minded because you are unbalanced catwoman sorry to say that, post of yours on this thread also shows how u sincere just like u said “muslims spread hatred” in one post putting all them in one bag then u said in other post “but not all muslims” , felt like it is said with compulsion unsincerely. This thread also shows ur intention.

Quoting catwoman:

look dear, there is nothing magical about Islam or turkish history. it is something that everybody, in every country can read about, see and understand. history is about facts, so we don't need a turkish person to know turkish history. same with Islam. a person in Swaziland can read Koran, can read the news and see how Muslims behave, what they do in the name of their faith... etc. of course not all muslims are violent, but the ones that are do have support in their scriptures and are not condemned by the rest of the muslim world.


But it seems to me u do not know much about Islam except some hearsays or the ones u learned from western propogand. As for the Turkish history part u only see or read the one side of the story or u choose what u want to believe and ignore others, so i can clearly say u are biased. In addition, for example according to quote above how do u know muslims do not comdemn so-called muslims like Al-Quaida or Taliban. How about protesting in west about crimes against muslims?

Quoting catwoman:

I know you will jump on me now on some weird grounds and you will never respond to the point that I'm making,


I always respond to ur points but u always ignore them because u do want to believe what u want, u always follow ur nose.

Quoting catwoman:

so help yourself and show us how you can insult me because you have nothing rational to respond to what I say.


You showed urself first, and i use my right above, actually till now in this forum i have never insulted anyone except some allusions i remember. Ok catwoman you know everything, we know nothing, btw if u dont mind, are u Leo?



Thread: Fitna (a short movie about Islam in Europe)

1246.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2008 Mon 03:41 am

Quoting tamikidakika:

Quoting Daydreamer:


Christians killed Muslims in Bosnia? Iraq? I thought it was the US and most of EU, not Christians.



hmm ok nice reasoning. Then it was smn called Laden who killed 5 thousands of people. those who carry out honor killings are just some people whose names are x,y,z. Why are you accusing Islam?

Do you even remember that Bush called the American army in Iraq 'crusaders'. and you expect me to believe in this lie that they are not commiting these crimes as Christians. Get over it.


btw, I`m wondering why you skipped Karabagh. It`s maybe because you don`t want to see what your angelic Christian/Armenian brothers did.



Well said
it seems now Poles became expert on Islam(learning from Wilders maybe) after then Turkish history

hmmm, and they concluded Islam is the most violent religion



Thread: turkish-english football thing please

1247.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 01:33 am

Fenerbahçe march from a bjk fan



Thread: T 2 E short one please

1248.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2008 Sat 01:32 am

These places are really very beautiful, while i was reading your message, for a moment i felt i had been there, the place u described, i missed u so much



Thread: turkish to english, please. Thank you

1249.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2008 Fri 06:00 pm

I have not started yet, but maybe i can go to Ankara on first days of month
If i am not be able to find job, i will go on end of month.



Thread: e to t

1250.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2008 Fri 05:40 pm

Quoting cab2007:

Hi, Attempted t to e. Please could someone check this. Many thanks.

____________________________________________________________


Mansur called yesterday. Travelled to Aunts Funeral.
Mansur dün aradı. Teyzesinin cenazesine gitmiş.

Phone on silent because of this. Not aware of calls ringing through.
Telefonu sessize almış bu yüzden gelen aramalrın hiç birinden haberdar değil.

Forgot to reverse phone setting until today.
Bugüne kadar telefon ayarlarını eski haline getirmeyi unutmuş.

college yesterday after taking mother home.
Annesine eve bıraktıktan sonra dün koleje gitmiş.

Last spoke to Mansur Saturday.
En son konuşmamız Mansur'la Cumartesiydi.

I would like to visit Turkey September. Decision with Mansur.
Eylül'de Türkiye'yi ziyaret etmek istiyorum. Son kararı Mansur'a bıraktım.

Hope you and your family are well.
Umarım sen ve ailen iyisinizdir.

Sorry short SMS, day off yesterday. Catching up with work.
Kısa mesaj için üzgünüm, dün iş yoktu, işe yetişmeye çalışıyorum.

Greetings
Selam.

Take Care
dikkatli olmak
____________________________________________________________

many thanks.



Thread: English to Turkish

1251.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2008 Fri 04:51 pm

Quoting sonunda:

Sorry armegon!Didn't see you there.



No problem, i guess yours is correct.
studied mass communnication last year--geçen sene iletişim okudum.



Thread: English to Turkish

1252.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2008 Fri 04:45 pm

Quoting meana:

i'm from Cairo,,21 years old,,studing masscomunications last year



Ben Kahireliyim, 21 yaşındayım, haberleşme okuyorum.



Thread: T to E

1253.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2008 Fri 04:39 pm

Selamun Aleykum, i hope you are fine, i will come to visit you this summer if everything goes fine, you also were not be able to come to İstanbul, anyways , best of luck, he/she wrote a mail from messenger to your hotmail acoount, i guess you did not read, lets write mails to eachother on one available weekend, hows party works and trading going? I do not know that maybe i did wrong to you by leaving you alone but my heart is always with you because i have a brother/sister in zaho and he/she is you, lets meet when you are online on messenger, greetings.




Thread: Youtube has yet again been banned

1254.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 May 2008 Thu 01:22 pm

Quoting tamikidakika:


Why don`t you count Daydreamer too along with the men? Besides she is the source of the information.


thought the same thing when i read that comment



Thread: what caught my eye today

1255.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 11:49 am

He is messiah, you can be cursed, be careful lol



Thread: One of the best physicians in the USA - Mehmet Oz

1256.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2008 Sat 10:07 am

Quoting catwoman:

I hope the rest of his work is not as dumb as this book. The fact that it became a bestseller only means that 90% of the population must be a bit . The language he uses in this book is clearly directed to masses, for example, he writes that vagina is like a garage and penis is like a car... :-S. This is an example of the primitive way in which he discusses various issues (and sexuality in this particular case). I couldn't get past one page of this book.



i also dont know him. Is this the same man appears on at the end of news of Turkish channel atv, talking about the benefits of nuts, peanuts?



Thread: turkish to english - one word only, thanks

1257.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2008 Fri 01:17 am

should be "kötüyüm"--i feel bad.



Thread: Attempt at Turkish

1258.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2008 Fri 01:13 am

1)Üzgünüm mesajların neden tam olarak gelmediğini anlamıyorum/bilmiyorum.
2)Diğer cep numarama tekrar gönderebilir misin lütfen?



Thread: Are you smarter than the fifth grader?

1259.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2008 Thu 04:01 pm

Is this a real knowledge contest or girl is acting ? What a pity, if real...



Thread: BBP leader Yazıcıoğlu / House of Lords/UK

1260.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2008 Thu 02:49 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Actually, you keep quoting articles from the events and I keep refraining myself doing the same..
The reason I am not doing that is becasue it is not going to help. As i said before, you can find many many horrible stories from both sides and taking the quotes from stories only about what ermenians did and brushing off the other part's stories as propaganda is a sign of denial of brain washing!! We have to do better than that.


These are the lightest ones, you can obtain also real videos of Hocaali Massacre in Azerbaijan from web, which were worse ones, that ones also washes the brains of Azeri’s . These examples are also good for showing nothing changed by armenian side. So kindly refrain from standard evasive answers like you can find many horrible stories for both sides bla bla…

Quoting thehandsom:

I think according to Talat pasha's records '924.158 ' ermenians subjected to relocation.
How many died is of course still disputed, according to ermenians the values is 1.5 million, orhan pamuk said 1 million, historian Halil Berktay says at least 600.000.


What a contradiction . Btw whats Talat pasha’s records? Are they like Talat pashas fake telgraphs? According to Ottoman archives number is 695.000 and all details are given where and how many armenians deported?

Quoting thehandsom:

Basically, I dont think we will ever know the real value.
It was the reason why I said 500.000.


So you give the number 500.000

Quoting thehandsom:

If you read a bit more about the issue you will see the embaressement ottomans felt after the incident. They opened court cases against those three pashas.


I think you should analyse a little bit the last times of Empire but before u begin let me give a clue, it was like “we do something but how England, Russia, France etc will think about it, what they will say etc”. This summarises the situation of Empire…

Quoting thehandsom:

Actually, i am abit bored about this topic myself. it was not my intention to discuss 'ermenian issue' here.


Same here

Quoting thehandsom:

you are coming back again and again like a broken record yourself with the knowledge of historic books published by our governement only.
This means not being able to take off yourself from the brain washing.

Come on, go and read different sources as well. It wont harm.


Same can said for you. By my side i prefer to read every kind of source if i have got time. But unfortunately i cannot rely on story books as seen real history books, also sorry but i cannot trust the sources of forces who came to occupy my country or their Turkish spokesman.



Thread: BBP leader Yazıcıoğlu / House of Lords/UK

1261.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2008 Thu 01:12 pm

Quote:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Why do I have the feeling that you meant me here?



it was not you , was a general comment in tamikidakika's thread but i do not suppose you think different so you can continue to assume it was you...



Thread: BBP leader Yazıcıoğlu / House of Lords/UK

1262.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2008 Thu 02:47 am

Quoting thehandsom:

b- only ermenians did something to us we did not do anything.


Yes we deported them . No need to explain the reason to a handsom member like u. I think u know how many revolts they cause by the help of tashnacks and hunchaks. Let me quote a small part from an article what happened during this revolts;

Quote:

The seriousness of these events is still horrifying. Armenians who lived side by side with the Turks for many centuries how and under what conditions made such brutal activities? These activities should be analyzed by the methods of psycho-sociology. The telegram which is reveled in 'Document 1' is one of the most shameful records in history: '... Until now, in Erzurum City 2.121 Muslim corpses were buried. All of them are males. All corpses have axe, bayonet and led wounds. Their livers were taken of and there pointed piles in their eyes...' 3



Quoting thehandsom:

But however, nothing changes the fact that whatever happened (god knows exactly how many) many hundred of thousands of ermenians died. Rough estimates are around 500.000 , I think.



what an estimate 500.000, Pamuk says 1-2 million(i cant remember know). According to foreign sources before relocation Armenian population in entire Empire not only in Anatolia is roughly between 1.000.000-1.400.000 and according to Ottoman archives in 1914 the population of armenians is 1.221.850 in empire. Approximately 700.000 left Anatolia during relocation(500.000 died?? ,Turks also killed hundred thousands,millions,billions of Kurds according to Poles of this site), some came back btw. And the number of armenians died who joined to allied forces, during revolts and relocation are approximately 200.000 according to Ottoman sources. Epidemics, Kurdish tribe attacks are the main reasons of causalities during relocation especially the ones who migrated to Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Caucasus etc.

Quoting thehandsom:

We, as Turks, accept the fact that they died!!


Accepted (but not 500.000 ) however how many Turks and muslims died during armanian revolts, does anybody need to mention? Just only in Sivas and its neighborhoods the civilian muslim population killed(not died) by armenian gangs is about 150.000 during the period of WW1.

Quoting thehandsom:

Lets go back to Talat Pasha now.
He was the interior minister..
It is the fact that he dealt with the deportation by himself..Everybody agrees?


Members of İtthat Terakki were judged because of armenian issue by Allies in Malta, and you should know the result of judgement, huh?.

Quoting thehandsom:

Ataturk was not proud of him either..


And i think you also know why he was not proud of him but armenian issue is not the reason.

I dont know why i respond to this post, i think im bored, told again and again like a broken record, and always same response from handsomes and Poles or vice versa...



Thread: Austrian police quiz 'sex captor'

1263.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2008 Wed 01:10 am

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting armegon:

actually there are more gays in radical İslamic countries, they are more moderner in this field



Ermmmm
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to HOW Islamic countries have a more 'moderner' attitude to gays?



Thats just an irony, and i said more gays never mentioned attitude to them. I lived both in europe and middle east, and KSA holds the record , just my observation…



Hahahaha! Then exactly what point are you trying to prove? lol



No need to prove anything, i replied ur question about forced marriage in UK and how it is in islamic countries, also added some liberal education for u if one day u maybe need in future



Thread: Austrian police quiz 'sex captor'

1264.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Apr 2008 Wed 12:14 am

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting armegon:

actually there are more gays in radical İslamic countries, they are more moderner in this field



Ermmmm
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to HOW Islamic countries have a more 'moderner' attitude to gays?



Thats just an irony, and i said more gays never mentioned attitude to them. I lived both in europe and middle east, and KSA holds the record , just my observation…



Thread: Austrian police quiz 'sex captor'

1265.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 04:22 pm

Quoting magnadea:

Quoting Lapinkulta:

We turks strictly protest children abuses in EU..



But not in the Islamic East? Forced marriages of under 16s in the UK has risen considerably in the last few years. Why? Because of the increase in the muslim population. Children just 'disappear' from school one day and are never seen again. If this situation exists in the UK muslim population, I really dread to think what it is like in 100% Islamic countries. This is acceptable to you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6303653.stm


Simply this is because modern european culture, the age of having sex in europe is about 14-15 between teens and it is forbidden in İslam having sex without getting married(btw this does not mean i approve early age marriages), so families wants their children to marry as soon as being not affected from european culture. Do not dread to think how it is in islamic countries it is not so different than so-called modern europe actually there are more gays in radical İslamic countries, they are more moderner in this field



Thread: Role of the Polish in Holocaust; Why blame only the Germans?

1266.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2008 Mon 05:41 pm

At first we have Armenian Genocide then now we have Kurdish genocide, created by the handsom polish members of this site



Thread: Remember Victims of Armenian Terrorism

1267.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2008 Thu 12:02 am

Asala finished then PKK started, no need to worry if PKK somehow finish, another one is on way. They are all related to eachother, a plan of forces. Civilian Kurds and Turks were killed and villages were burned by terrorists who were wearing Turkish military uniforms which were made in Armenia.



Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

1268.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2008 Wed 09:00 pm

Members here firstly should learn a little bit history of Turkish Republic, if they are interested politics of Turkia, then its better to comment on, otherwise sounds ridiculous as janissary mentioned...



Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

1269.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2008 Mon 11:48 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:


Ülküm; yükselmek, ileri gitmektir.
My country, to rise (improve), to move forward/to progress



This one should be "My ideal is to ..."



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1270.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 09:47 pm

Sorry for confusing all , i hope this helps people to learn .

Yilgun is right...



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1271.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 09:23 pm

i think Yilgun's first translation is right most possibly;

i was not able to come->gelemezdim
i could not come->gelmeyebilirdim
i could/would not have been able to come->gelemeyebilirdim



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1272.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 09:11 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Quoting armegon:

Hi Marion
How do you translate the Turkish sentence below into English then? Maybe you can clarify...
'Eğer Türkiye'de kalmasaydım, bu işleri yapamayabilirdim'.

Quoting MarioninTurkey:


these are not quite right. The Turkish does not refer to an event in the past, but the English does.



If I had not stayed in Turkey I would not have been able to do this job (veya these things)

yani

yapamayabilirdim = I would not have been able to do


Does this mean there is no translation of "i was not able to" into Turkish then?



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1273.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 09:05 pm

Hi Marion
How do you translate the Turkish sentence below into English then? Maybe you can clarify...
'Eğer Türkiye'de kalmasaydım, bu işleri yapamayabilirdim'.

Quoting MarioninTurkey:


these are not quite right. The Turkish does not refer to an event in the past, but the English does.



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1274.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 08:47 pm

There is a difference between “gelemeyebilirdim” & “gelmeyebilirdim”. “gelemeyebilirdim” means like “ i had something to do and i came after finished it, if i could not finish that work, i was not able to come”. “Gelmeyebilirdim” is like nothing but choice of yours, i had a choice to come or not to come, it is only related to me-my pleasure not like “gelemeyebilirdim”. When you say “gelemeyebilirdim” you are bounded by anything else than you.

Actually i am not an expert but i understand like this in Turkish so maybe we need to ask this to a native Turkish teacher. Btw i translated them wrongly, they should be “gelemeyebilirdim” & “gelmeyebilirdim”.



Thread: help....eng-turk

1275.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:58 am

Sadece endişeli olduğunu söylediğin için sordum, ve neden endişelendiğini çözemedim. Benim için çok önemlisin, ve sadece senin mutlu olmanı istiyorum. Seni üzdüysem özür dilerim.



Thread: t2 english please

1276.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:51 am

Hakan someone knows your mail password that i was invited to be friend of user named c but i dont know him/her, when i looked at her/his profile, i saw your pics with him/her, just i wanted to infrom you<

Quoting KLM:

hakancım birisi senin mail adresinin şifresini biliyorki c adlı kullanıcıdan arkadaş daveti aldım fakat o kişiyi tanımıyorum, profiline baktığım da ise seninle fotoğraflarını gördüm, haberin olsun istedim.


THANK YOU VERY MUCH



Thread: very short thanks

1277.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:45 am

Sana iyi günler dilerim.



Thread: help!!!

1278.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:44 am

Do i know/recognize (you) or am i dreaming?



Thread: Cok zor bir problem vardir?

1279.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2008 Wed 12:42 am

I was not able to come->gelemeyebilirim
I could not come ->gelmeyebilirim



Thread: help needed:) eng-tur

1280.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2008 Tue 12:27 am

Seni tekrar bırakırsam korkar mısın? Endişelenme, ancak bazı kişiler geçmişte birçok soruna sebep oldu, yalan söyleyerek ve bir şeyleri saklayarak. Aynı hatayı ikinci kez yapmam. Sana güveniyorum.



Thread: TLC Website Poll

1281.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2008 Sat 11:28 pm

I know i did not prove anything, as i said in my post . I just transferred what i know, anything wrong?, i did not start this discussion btw.



Thread: TLC Website Poll

1282.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2008 Sat 11:17 pm

There are also hadiths which say Ayşe was 17-18 when she was married also some hadiths say she was engaged to Cübeyr before she had married the Prophet. Which one do we trust? But people who wants to attack Islam, firstly hold onto these hadiths of Bukhari&Muslim and ignore others as they like. Actually it maybe proved through Kuran and some hadiths comparing both together, Ayse said she was a playing child when the 46th verse of surah Kamer revealed(this hadith is also from Bukhari ironically), this means she was bigger enough to remember when&where this verse revealed, logically she maybe 8-9 years old at that time, and surah Kamer is one of the surahs which was revealed in first years of Islam(4th year of Islam) in Mekkah. As we know that the Prophet and Ayşe married two years after the migration of muslims to Medina then it is clear according to these that she was about 17-18 or 19 when they were married.



Thread: I like America

1283.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:06 pm

Quoting vineyards:


We Turks call Egypt as Misir which also means corn,



"Mısır" comes from "Masri" or "Mısri" then it transfromed into "Mısır" by time in our language, because ancient egyptian people called "Masarian". Btw "egypt" comes from the root "gypsy", in fact ancient egyptians has no connection with "gypsies" .



Thread: TLC Website Poll

1284.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Mar 2008 Wed 07:43 pm

I saw members who insulted the prophet of Islam here and some other making fun including moderator also and as expected nothing happened to them. Same disrespectful behaviour applied to founder of Turkish Republic.

Btw what happened to provecateur of this site? it seems she was deleted and reason “users request” (who did she insult this time? Admin?) but adonis deleted and reason“personal attacks”.



Thread: Dick Cheney

1285.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 02:41 pm

I dont care how it was before, i just read this thread and actually i mean to say this is not right attitude of a moderator.



Thread: Dick Cheney

1286.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 01:07 pm

How you understood my point, interesting , a moderator impeaching a member that he worships Atatürk



Thread: Dick Cheney

1287.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:58 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I'm sorry I do not worship Atatürk and that therefore every response to your posts will feel to you as if I am bothering you.



What a comment,then you should be the new moderator of Turkish(??) class .



Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

1288.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 12:51 am

Quoting adonis:


this site becomes the playground of that woman, and governs this site with her jesters.



I said something similar a few months ago pretending a group of members, it seems nothing changed here.



Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1289.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Sep 2007 Sun 04:38 am

Quoting vineyards:

Moderators, why aren't you taking action. What else does she have to say?



What you want from who? Moderators are same. This site is a playground of some members only.



Thread: is a relationship between turkish man and english woman possible??????

1290.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Sep 2007 Sun 04:37 am

Also we can see from history that the Frenchs invaded Algeria and killed over 1 million civilian Algerians, a genocide. Italians invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of Libians, Spanians invaded South America and killed millions and converted all the people in christianity forcefully with assimilation, no need to mention England they invaded nearly the all world and so on. England, France, Italy and Greece tried to invade Anatolia in WW1 but thankfully they were kicked out. Will all of them apologize what they done the world? Lets see the barbarians then. Ohh i forgot, add these also the continent Africa and Australia. You just cant disguise the history and the facts.
And for the slanders about Islam, no need to mention all are crap, nothing to do with İslam.



Thread: Uskudar

1291.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:25 pm

All hooligans of clubs are the same, because of this their name is holigan/fanatic . I think you like to be oppositional . I envy you living in wonderful place of İstanbul. Anyway good night…



Thread: Please let me answer for sms - translate,please !

1292.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:11 pm

'I too missed you my love. If you come at the end of the year, well stay together. My illness is not something bad, just im having flu. I love you, kiss you'.

He meaned flu/illness by saying 'rahatsızlık'

Quoting jaga:

I received new sms just now. Now we will be know what happened. Could you translate, I'm so interesting.

bende seni çok özledim askim.sene sonunda gelirsen beraber kalırız. Hastalığım kötü birşey değil girip olmuşum. Seni seviyorum öptüm.





Thread: Please let me answer for sms - translate,please !

1293.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 09:50 pm

Quoting Amina:

i know but when i read the text, i was sure he meant it in that way rather than ill.



Aha ok, i didnt read the text...



Thread: t 2 e

1294.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 09:43 pm

Would you mind coming here after work?



Thread: Please let me answer for sms - translate,please !

1295.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 09:41 pm

Amina, "rahatsızlık" can also be used as illness.



Thread: Uskudar

1296.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 09:39 pm

How you became a fan of cimbom living in such a sacred place, vineyards?



Thread: a small one please

1297.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:21 am

No problem natiypuspi



Thread: a few lines please

1298.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:19 am

namesake,you go to your bed, ill wait till morning. which day of month will i come?(here sentence is missing so i completed in suitabe form), just come thats enough, my heart is with you.

Quoting bella2509:

sen yat beklemek

sabaha kadar

adas

ayin kacina

olsun

cikmak
sen gel yeter

be cikmak

kalbim seninle

please i am not at home with my book to look at the translation



Thread: a small one please

1299.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:13 am

or Everybody went their own house.

Quoting natiypuspi:

It could be:

a) Everybody went to your house.

b) Everybody went to his/her house.





Thread: eng to turk plz help!!

1300.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:07 am

Benimle ilgili senin için her şeyin yolunda olup olmadığını bilmem gerekiyor. Hastayım ve benden hoşlanmadığını düşÃ¼nmek beni daha kötü yapıyor. Lütfen sadece msnye gel veya yazdıklarıma cevap ver.

Quoting puzzled:

if no-one can translate the last set of translations then could you please try these...

'i need to know that you are ok with me. i am ill and its making me worse thinking that you dont like me. please just come on msn messenger or reply to my txt.'





Thread: T-E before i go to bed -any chance :O) pliiizz

1301.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 12:49 am

Sana sms yollamadım çünkü eğer sende benim gibi hissetmiyorsan, ileride bana yazmayı bırakacaksın ve başka bir kız bulacaksın, sanırım. Bir ilişki karmaşık olabilir, ancak aşk olduğunda, ben çekip giden biri olamam. Bunu sadece sana bırakabilirim.


Quoting pasta:

thanks for tip badiabdancer,
maybe i will be more lucky with this one then :o)
(and THANKS to shama-uk-and husband and ayla ü)

i didnt sms you because i think
if you dont feel same as me,you will soon stop writing me,
and find the next girl.
A relationship will be be complicated,but when there is love i am unable to be the one to walk away.
i can only leave it up to you.

To anyone who tries-feel free to moderate/make changes(as long as i am still saying the same things :OD





Thread: english to turkish thankyou !!

1302.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 12:39 am

Eğer benimle teması kesersen, başka birileri bana telefon açabilir veya e-posta yollayabilir, bu benim yüzüme tekrardan gülümseme getirir ve kendimi şimdi olduğumdan daha fazla iyi hissetmemi sağlar.

Quoting puzzled:

'if you can contact me off someone elses phone or email me it would put a smile back on my face and make me feel better than i am.'





Thread: New Baby

1303.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 12:34 am

"Benimle Murat'ın bebeği olacak! üç aylık hamileyim"



Thread: Turk ---> Eng pls......

1304.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 12:32 am

I love you very very much, write this to your brain, ok?



Thread: short one please

1305.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 12:30 am

Yarın Türkiye'ye uçuş için yer ayırtacağım, ekimin 25inde yedi günlüğüne geliyorum ancak uçuş zamanı çok iyi değil, sabah 3.45e kadar varamıyorum ama bulabildiğim tek bu.

Quoting bella2509:

tomorrow i will be booking my fight to turkey comming on the 25th oct for 7 days but the flight times are not very good i dont arrive till early morning 3.45 but that is the only one i can get.


thanks if some body can translate this.



Thread: What are you listening now?

1306.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2007 Tue 06:36 am

Evlerinin önü boyalı direk değişik bi şey



Thread: can you help with this please

1307.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Sep 2007 Tue 06:34 am

Oğullarımdan bir tanesi bugün 18'ine basıyor, hep beraber bu gece yemeğe çıkıyoruz, bu yüzden msnde olamayacağım bitene kadar.

Quoting bella2509:

one of my sons is 18 to day, we are all going out tonight for a meal ,so i will not be on the msn till later.





Thread: Turkish to English pls

1308.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:06 am

Valizlerimi/bavullarımı boşaltmakla meşguldüm.



Thread: check luften . correctıons welcome xxxx

1309.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:04 am

Selam arkadaş, bunu bir şaka olarak kabul et lütfen.HoşÃ§akal.



Thread: Turkish to English pls

1310.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:02 am

you'r welcome



Thread: Turkish to English pls

1311.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Sep 2007 Wed 06:57 am

What are you doing->Ne yapıyorsun



Thread: translation please

1312.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2007 Tue 04:53 pm

Quoting bella2509:

i am not happy work work, i have 1 hour break then i have to go back out to work till 7 pm .I wish i was with you ,the weather here is very cold i miss you very much


sorry this is a bit long but if some one could translate i would be very pleased.



İşte mutlu değilim, bir saat iznim var daha sonra 7'ye(pm) kadar çalışmak için geri dönmeliyim. Keşke senle beraber olabilseydim, burada hava çok soğuk, seni çok özledim.



Thread: little bit translation and explanation please

1313.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Sep 2007 Tue 04:50 pm

"Bana yazabileceğin zaman" ve "Bana ne zaman bana yazabilirsin"



Thread: A Single word please -

1314.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Sep 2007 Mon 06:03 am

bjk is a sports club not only football club, also the letter 'j' in their name represents the 'gymnastics'



Thread: Introducing Oneself

1315.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Sep 2007 Mon 05:55 am

Quoting Dilara:


1 kopegim ve 1 kedim var ama simdi çok uzgunum çunku kedim 3 gun once kayboldu o hiçbir yerde bulamıyoruz...!


Bu cümle dilbilgisi açısından doğru ancak yine de kulağa garip geliyor, şÃ¶yle söylense daha iyi olur gibi;

'Bir köpeğim ve bir kedim var ancak kedim üç gün önce kaybolduğu için şu anda çok üzgünüm. Onu hiçbir yerde bulamıyoruz...!'



Thread: turk-eng please

1316.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2007 Thu 05:15 am

Quoting yop:

-dediğinin olması için bizimkilerinin kendi füzuzaya gitmesi lazım ki bu imkansız bişey

-yok ya öyle değil



-Ours have to go to space with their own rocket for what you said to become real which is impossible.

-No, not like that.



Thread: t2e

1317.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2007 Thu 05:13 am

Quoting longinotti1:


Armegons translation sounds better than what I was going to add. Only above, I changed "hearth" to "heart".



thanx for the correction



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1318.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2007 Thu 05:11 am

Hi all
I just want to add something about the etymology of word “Oguz”. It is not surprising to see that the word “Oguz” related to “white,right, best” as Korshad mentioned. Because I think it withstand to ancient Sky God religion of Turkic/Tur people. If it is not related to religion, I do not think that it can be this much important for Turkic people. As you know, in this Sky God religion, “Gök-Tanrı” was ONE(BİR) and the creator of universe but besides there was also “Gün Tanrı” and “Ay-Tanrı” which were also created by “Gök-Tanrı” and everything in the universe was created by this trinity. It was believed that “Gün-Tanrı” and “Ay-Tanrı” were eyes of the “Gök-Tanrı” in similitude, one is blind( Ay Tanrı ), other is ember(Gün Tanrı, one cannot look at this eye) so “Gök-Tanrı” was also called “Kor( ateş )/Kör Tanrı/Goz”. On account of these names which represents the Turanian trinity sky God, “O-GOZ” was used to represent all of them. Later it becomes Oguz/Okoz/Okuz. So the name “Oguz” was very important for Turks. The animal symbol of “Oguz” was “Öküz” or in other name “wild Boa/Boga”. Besides “Oguz” has also lots of names which shows its different attributions(such as Aguz/Agız). It is interesting to see that the name “Oguz”, is similar to ancient Grek God “Zeus”, and also in many cultures “Öküz” was used as an idol for God.



Thread: t2e

1319.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Sep 2007 Thu 04:52 am

Quoting smudge1098:

ne zaman birseye ihtiyacim olsa hep elinden geleninin en iyisini yapiyorsun, senin altin kalbine asik olmamak mümkünmü? Benim için çok degerli birisin sevdigim!

ben senle beraber olunca hep mutlu ve hep huzurlu oluyorum sevdigim!



When i need something, you always do your best to help me, is it possible not to fall in love with this golden hearth? You are very precious for me, the one i love!

When i am with you,am always happy and peaceful, the one i love!



Thread: turkish to english...

1320.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Aug 2007 Wed 02:31 am

Quoting sikandra007:

Please help me translate. It's sort of confusing me.

"bende ayni bos bos dolasiyorum dershanem basladý okul basliyicak böle iste kendine iyi bak"

Thank you for your help.



Same here, im fooling around, my course has begun and school will begin, thats all, take care of yourself.



Thread: Selamlar sana olsun Atam

1321.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Aug 2007 Fri 04:18 pm

Hijab is non-Quranic

Women dress code in Islam



Thread: translation please

1322.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:23 am

Bu hafta niye bu kadar çok çalışmak zorunda olduğumu anladın mı? Cumartesi günündeki düğünden dolayı Cuma günü çalışmıyorum sonra pazartesi İngiltere için tatil ve daha sonra gelecek Cuma sana geliyorum, iyi iyi bekleyemiyorum.

Quoting bella2509:

did you understand why i have to work so hard this week i dont work friday because of the wedding on saturday then monday is a holiday for england and then i come to you the next friday good good i cant wait



Thread: Eng->Türk - important to me

1323.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:21 am

Seni unutamam!Unutacağımı mı sanıyorsun? Nasıl? Benim için çok değerli oldun. Seni kaybetmeyi düşÃ¼nmek bile çok acı verici. Bildiğim tek şey seni gerçekten seviyorum. Kendini kötü hissetme, biliyordum. Uzun zamandır biliyordum. Sadece bana anlatmanı istedim. Gelmeyi her şeyden daha çok istiyorum. Zannederim biz buluştuk, içimden bir şey bunu biliyor ancak nasıl olduğunu bilmiyorum. Sadece biliyorum işte.

Quoting Connie:

I need to say something important and I'm afraid of writing it wrong and being misunderstood. (It's happened!)
Please translate this for me.. I am sure I can't say this the way it's meant to be said!

( I can't forget you! Do you think I can? How? You have become to precious to me.It is very painful to think about losing you. I really love you, this is the one thing I do know.
Don't feel bad.I knew.I've known for a long time.I just wanted you to tell me.
I want to come more than anything. We are suppose to meet,something inside me knows but I don't know how.I just know.)

I tried to get this as short as possible. Thanks for your time and help with this in advance..



Thread: eng-trk pls

1324.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:18 am

Merak etme, hallettim onu.



Thread: turkish to english...

1325.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Aug 2007 Thu 05:17 am

could you please send/post me your picture?



Thread: hi can you help me with this txt please...thank you

1326.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Aug 2007 Fri 01:23 am

Quoting Angel23:

hope you will be dreamin of me as i will be dreaming of you. x



Umarım benim seni düşlediğim gibi sen de beni düşlüyorsun.



Thread: E 2 T lütfen

1327.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 11:34 pm

Happy to hear that
Good night...



Thread: English to Turkish PLZ

1328.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 11:32 pm

Quoting kate4358:

Sorry last night i was ill with a stomach bug.....The surveryor came to my home, and i dont think there were any problems... I will have a completion date by next week and think it will be early September. Do you want me there during Ramazam? or would you rather i came later?



Üzgünüm dün gece mide mikrobundan dolayı hastaydım…Kadostrocu evime geldi, herhangi bir sorun olduğunu sanmıyordum. Önümüzdeki hafta tamamlanması için gün alacağım ve sanırım bu Eylül’ün başı olacak. Ramazanda orada olmamı ister misin? veya daha sonra gelmemi mi tercih edersin?



Thread: Steven Gerard!

1329.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 11:31 pm

There was no faul before the free-kick



Thread: E 2 T lütfen

1330.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 10:52 pm

I changed "takdir ettim" into "takdir edeceğim". I used wrong tense...



Thread: E 2 T lütfen

1331.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 10:48 pm

You'r welcome
btw I made a small correction...



Thread: E 2 T lütfen

1332.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 10:28 pm

Quoting youiscrazygurl:


The first time I saw you and heard your voice I was entranced. You make me smile more than any man I have ever met. The way you try to understand and relate to me is very admirable. I dreamed of you last night, the dream made me realize that I am sincerely in love with you. I rarely find a moment throughout my day when you are not in my thoughts. I will never tire of you, never think of another man, and never keep hoping to see you some day....I will always fully appreciate you for all of your wonderful qualities. When we meet in person I will hold you close and whisper these words to you in perfect Turkish! Be patient, my beautiful man, and never forget that we belong to each other for eternity.

you have my heart eternally

-----------------------------------------------------
Seni ilk gördüğümde ve sesini duyduğumda, büyülendim. Şimdiye kadar tanıdığım bütün erkeklerden daha çok beni gülümsettin. Beni anlama ve benimle ilişki kurma tarzın hayranlık vericiydi. Dün gece rüyamda seni gördüm ve bu rüya içtenlikle sana aşık olduğumu anlamamı sağladı. Gün içerisinde aklımdan nadir bir kaç an dışında hiç çıkmıyorsun. Senden asla sıkılmayacağım, hiç böyle birini düşÃ¼nmemiştim ve asla böyle birini bir gün görmeyi ümit etmemiştim...Bütün mükemmel özelliklerinden dolayı seni her zaman tamamen takdir edeceğim. Karşılıklı olarak buluştuğumuzda, sana yaklaşacak ve mükemmel bir Türkçe ile bu kelimeleri kulağına fısıldayacağım. Sabırlı ol, benim yakışıklı erkeğim, ve asla unutma ki sonsuza kadar biz birbirimize aitiz.

Kalbim sonsuza kadar senin



Thread: *ENG-TURK* please

1333.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 10:09 pm

Quoting Badiabdancer74:

My response to the love letter from askim Cem. All the romantics love this, the skeptics are ill! Please a native Turkish speaker translate if you could? I really want it to sound right. (These sentences are complicated!)It's long but maybe a little interesting! SEE BELOW...

Nasıl senin mektubuna kıyasla aşkı ifade eden bir mektup yazabilirim ki? Mektubundan ve onun içtenliğinden, özgünlüğünden duygusal olarak çok etkilendim. Sanırım bizim aşkımız kutsanmış. Neden mi? Çünkü bir eş için dua ettim, Olcay da camide benim bir eş/koca bulmam için dua etti ve ertesi gün biz ilk kez buluştuk.

Geçmişte ben şÃ¼pheci biriydim çünkü ilişkimiz peri masalı gibiydi ve belirtmeliyim ki geçmişte erkekler tarafından birçok kez incitildim. Seninle olan ilişkimizin benim geçmişte yaşadığım incinmelerden etkilenmemesi için elimden gelenin en iyisini yapmaya çalışacağım fakat etkilendiği zamanlarda olacak. Duygusal olarak güçlü ve azimli olmak hakkında senden çok şey öğrendim.

Aşkımız bana yıllar ince gördüğüm bir rüyayı hatırlatıyor, rüyada ben beyaz bir Pegasustum (kanatlı at) ve bir Siyah Pegasusla(bana seni anımsatan) evlenmiştim. İşte bu yüzden Likyalıların Kaya Mezarlarını görmek istemiştim çünkü biz de böyle nehirlerin üzerinde bir kaya mezarında yaşamıştık. Rüyada, sen ölünceye kadar nehrin aşağısına kadar seni takip etmiştim ancak yeraltı dünyasında seni kaybetmiştim. Ama artık sorun değil çünkü seni şimdi yeniden buldum! Bana o Pegasus’un ruhunu anımsatıyorsun. Belki de bu bir ipucu benim gerçek aşkımın Türkiye’de olduğuna dair? Seni seviyorum, Yarın(Pazar) saat 13:00’a kadar müsaitim! Umarım en kısa zamanda sohbet edebiliriz! Amerikan saatiyle.



Thread: t-e, please

1334.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 06:12 pm

Quoting corina:

Bana Huseyin ile ileriye donuk olarak ciddi bir sekilde gorusuyor olduklarini soyledi.


Thank you



She/he said to me that she/he had been talking to Hüseyin seriously about the future plans.



Thread: eng/turkish luften xx :)

1335.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Aug 2007 Sat 06:10 pm

Quoting moggie:

could somebody please translate for me please, nzledim kalbim seninledr kerdim olmadigi icin seni ariyamadim, thank you



Bende seni özledim, kalbim seninle, kredim olmadığı için seni arayadım.

"I too missed you, my hearth is with you, i couldnt call you because i had no credit"



Thread: Little reply please?

1336.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2007 Sat 03:37 pm

Quoting MalatyaGirl:

"I make the MSN animations myself love. Next time you are on MSN I will show you. It is hard to explain. And you are so handsome in the picture. Nice body!"

Thanks Translators...the way he said he needed help made me think it was important! ha ha



"MSN animasyonlarını kullandım aşkım. Bir daha ki sefer MSN de olduğunda sana gösteririm. Açıklamak zor. Ve resimde sen çok yakışıklısın. Hoş vücut!"



Thread: Help! Urgent please turk -eng

1337.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2007 Sat 03:33 pm

You'r welcome...Maybe urgent for him



Thread: English to Turkish Translation

1338.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2007 Sat 03:30 pm

Just small points to mention, maybe better in Turkish...

Did i do something wrong?->Yanlış bir şey mi yaptım?
Just let me know where I stand with you and please be honest with me. You can respond in Turkish and I will have it translated.->Sadece seni nerede/nasıl üzdüğümü/kırdığımı bilmemi sağla ve lütfen bana karşı dürüst ol. Türkçe cevap verebilirsin, ben onu tercüme ettireceğim.



Thread: Help! Urgent please turk -eng

1339.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2007 Sat 03:28 pm

Quoting MalatyaGirl:

askım bana gonderdıgın o anımasyonların sıtesını ogrenebılırmıyım

I don't know what he's saying!!

Thank you!



Can i learn the site that you sent to me those animations my love? or
Can you tell me the site that...



Thread: a question to our moderator

1340.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Jul 2007 Tue 12:06 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

so one of our main don juans was deleted from TC because of insulting ataturk?
does then TC function as per the turkish laws in turkey?


Comedy after comedy from TC provocateur, why dont you think who show respect to Atatürk? When one insulted to Atatürk, is this not a provocation? Do you know anything about respect to others, your family teached something about respect and moral?



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1341.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jul 2007 Sun 04:28 pm

Quoting aenigma x:


Armegon, as much as I would like to agree with you that the view that someone who criticises Islam should die is an extreme or ignorant one, I worry when I read reports like this. It seems that the UK is having to accept this as the "norm" these days and it's even considered "politically incorrect" to disagree with them. The message seems to be "come to the UK, do what you want, even threaten to murder us - we are so worried about upsetting you, we will not just ignore you, but defend you"!!!!!



Hello aenigma x

What do you want me to say? Ignorance is not just being educated, i said audience/people hire their minds to religous leaders, do not use their intellect, and religious leaders are using this politically and to gain power/status and because of this im against Islamic states based on sheria laws, you know 90% of sheria laws are based on hadiths and traditions and it differs from country to country for instance sheria in Egypt, sheria in Iran and sheria in Suud are different actually Islam promotes “secularism and democracy” by saying “There is no compulsion in religion”. Also i can show you many people/auience who even not read Kuran once more in their lifes in Islamic states and muslim countries. And I think knighthood of Salman Rushdie is also political and provocative when I look at from other side. Rushdie became a pawn in everyone’s political games. This issue is all political in my opinion…



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1342.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jul 2007 Sun 02:03 am

Quoting HomeSick:

@armegon:
I agree most of the things written here But I need to underline one thing, The beginning of Islam was during Prophet Abraham's time, He was the first.

And also again ironically, Quran tells about sects and hadits in many suras, rejects them, and warn people about them.



I agree with you Homesick, i know Abraham called "haneef" in Kuran, i did not say anything contraversial to your comments. Read my comments again...



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1343.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 07:47 pm

Dear Deli_Kizin

I agree most of your post. The quote you made is just seen as the words of Allah which lead extermists to this crooked system. It is nothing but lie about Allah, some so-called religious leaders always giving fatwa as they know better than Allah. People try to interpret Kuran through false beliefs/hadiths which totally contradicts with Kuran so it is seen there are many interpretations of Islam. It is not the fault of Islam but the fault of seyhs, cult/religious leaders. I think this is the biggest problem of today Islamic world, people who do not use their brain-intellect, hire their minds to their religious leaders and worship their leaders or prophet instead of God. Let me tell you an ironic reality of Salman Rushdie, you know there is also a fatwa given against Salman Rushdie, but the book he published “satanic verses” is not originated by Salman Rushdie(I think he named his book falsely, maybe satanic hadiths more suitable), it was taken from the stories of Tabari(923) and Ibn Sa’d(845) which seen big scholars in Islamic world(ironic huh?), it is also a tradition among christian missionaries and conservative christians to vilify the Islam through centuries and the phrase “satanic verses” firstly used by English missionary belligerent Sir William Muir(surprisingly he was also a sir ). So Salman Rushdie is maybe the last person to be blamed , muslims(especially extremists) should look at themselves firstly, how did they create this crooked system?.



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1344.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 05:52 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Thank you so much for clarifying that Armegon



No problem Aenigma x...
Have a nice day



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1345.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 05:42 pm

Dear Aenigma x

Yes you are right, Islam does not support violence but some extremist groups deceive illiterate people to take advantage of them using religion, to brainwash them mostly political reasons or any goal to reach for them.

For example Muhammed B. who killed Theo van Gogh was a very frusturated young man searching for identity then he found himself in some extremist group, group brainwashed him as Theo van Gogh attacked Morrocans in Holland and kept offending them. Then he fooled himself by believeing he did it in the name of Allah. When one study him, it can be seen that he was seeking for an identitty. In Islam killing is strictly forbidden till believers are killed thus it is self self-defence. You cannot find any verses in Kuran that says kill or fight anyone who did nothing to you.



Thread: getting married in turkey

1346.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 03:09 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:


A woman was created from a man's rib


Dear yilgun-7
i saw that you wrote this in many threads here .im writing this assuming you are muslim, Kuran does not support this belief, are you reading Torah?



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1347.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 03:03 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Armegon, I'm sorry about the confusion. The story I posted is a real story the author has seen and I used it as an example of what the cult of virginity leads to in real life, in extreme conditions.



Dear catwoman, as i said before this woman is a liar so i am not sure about the reality of the story. But yes you are right on something it can be seen as an extreme example of cult of virginity...



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1348.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 02:12 am

Quoting aenigma x:



I didn't know the background to the author, so thanks Armegon. Perhaps then, what non-muslims here will read as an example of EXTREME behavour in a culture, muslims may be offended or believe we think this is normal to Islam.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I DON'T think its normal behaviour within muslim culture, but I can see how you might feel that way. I can give you many examples of extreme abuse within all cultures (including my own) so I don't think anyone is relating this as anti-muslim. Its just another sad story of abuse..



Thanks for your understanding
i just want to mention that this woman is not reliable, i agree with you in others



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1349.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 01:56 am

Quoting aenigma x:

I dont think this is about religion, its about the culture which demands virginity of women before marriage AT ANY COST!

As far as I understand it, both MEN and WOMEN should be virgins before marriage in Islam, and this thread does not criticise that fact.


I agree...

But Ayaan Hirsi Ali told so many lies in Holland then she fled to America. My dutch friends said nobody took her serious anymore.

She tried to represent Somali Islam as being the same as mainstream Islam. She was invited many times to conferences with Muslims in Holland but denied. She doesn't want to solve things, she wants to provoke and let people think she is a 'victim' of Islam.

She just wants to attack, also she is very hypocrite, as she rejects religions, but she works for the Christian thinktank of the American Government.

So i think it is not approprite to quote a book of person who tries to spread hatred here.



Thread: eng - turk lutfen.....

1350.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2007 Thu 09:22 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

never give up on me, because i will never give up on you. I will do whatever it takes to have you in my life forever.

thanks in advance..



Asla benden vazgeçme, çünkü ben senden vazgeçmeyeceğim. Sonsuza dek hayatımda olman için ne gerekiyorsa yapacağım.



Thread: correct me please?

1351.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2007 Thu 08:56 pm

1-hiçbir şey demedim
2-bana kızgın olmanı/kızmanı istemiyorum



Thread: Eng to Turkish please

1352.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jul 2007 Wed 08:10 pm

Quoting egyptian_tomb:

Here is what I need translated.

"Please talk to me and tell me what you want to do now. We have to work thru these many difficulties as best we can. We really need to be patient, and gentle with each other and never stop believing that soon we will be together. Please continue to pray for us as I am doing!"


Thank you in advance!

Sincerely
V



"Lütfen konuş benimle ve şimdi ne yapmak istediğini anlat. Bu günlerde güçlüklerle elimizden geldiği kadar mücadele etmeliyiz.Gerçekten sabırlı ve birbirimize karşı nazik olmaya ve beraber olacağımıza dair inancımızı asla kaybetmemeye ihtiyacımız var. Lütfen benim yaptığım gibi bizim için dua etmeye devam et!"



Thread: muslim convert

1353.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2007 Tue 11:57 pm

Quoting kali20:

I wonder if one christian woman is getting marry with a turkish man and she want to change her religion,which is the procedure to convert to muslim?



IMHO i advise you to research deeply, then if you feel satisfied, there is no need a procedure. If you believe the message of Kuran in your heart and you submit to God, this means you become muslim(muslim also means submission to God). If it does not make sense, you dont feel satisfied, do not fool yourself futilely. Additionally i advise you to approach hadiths gingerly…



Thread: Marriage between two faiths

1354.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2007 Tue 06:24 pm

Hello aenigma x

Quoting aenigma x:

I am always sad to see, especially on a website for people who have an interest and love of Turkey, that you only have to scratch the surface of any Turk to find the deep hatred felt towards the US and 'Western Europe'. It sometimes makes me wonder what lies beneath the warm welcome and wide smiles you receive on visiting Turkey .


People do not create hatred, politicians do it. So i do not think Turks hate the foreigners but it is clear from surveys today they do not like the politics of west. And if you think lies beneath the behaviours of Turkish people, i can say that you havent recognised the Turkish people yet.

Quoting aenigma x:

but can inform you that Oliver Stone's visit to Turkey was well publicised in the UK press in 2004, and his comments recorded.



I talked about the news which was declared on 16th of June by Billy Hayes that is new not on 2004, he confessed that most of the movie was fiction and fantasy…Anyways

Quoting aenigma x:

I am really shocked at your paranoid, nationalistic speech spitting hatred of the 'imperialistic' West, Armegon! This is not just a political argument - it's the kind of hatred you only expect to hear from extremists! Maybe I am naive about Turkey


What do you think about biggest meetings of Turkish history performed so far this year? They are all shouting the same thing which i mentioned here. All of them are paranoid and extremists who are spreading hatred?. They are shouting as “Ne ABD ne AB tam bağımsız Türkiye!”. I think you became sad and angry when i criticized the politics of west, i did it because catwoman criticised the politics of Türkiye at the same time she praised the politics of imperialists. Im sorry truths hurt. So no need to be sad, only be objective.

Quoting aenigma x:

I am certainly not proud of a great deal of my country's history, and definitely NOT proud of recent actions either. What I AM proud of about my country is the fact that we do not blindly defend our country to the detriment of truth.



I am not the one who defended blindly, im always against every blind beliefs, blind faith, blind defence, every blind thing , im on the side of knowledge, researching and observing . Btw i do not blame the whole world, i criticized the politics of them.

And for the weapons of pkk, Turkish army declared that our allies supporting them. Im not talking about the past, am talking about the present day. And you can find many news supporting these claims on Turkish newspapers.

Cheers…



Thread: Marriage between two faiths

1355.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jul 2007 Tue 12:43 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

it must be really terrible and sad to live in such a fear and a threat that everybody in this world is going to destroy your country. do you really think that eu or usa's aim is so? who feeds you with such info? gov!



No fear dearest femme_fatal, i only share my opinions about their hypocracy politics and nobody feeds me with this infos except history and the politics and im a good reader of history every source from all kinds. Im sure you heard about Sevr, and look at today maps about Türkiye on Europe, you can understand what i mean, just 2 days ago shown in a conference in Greece and Türkiye condemned these officially… We do not make enemies, they choose us as enemy to reach their goals. What do you think about big middle-east project which claims to change the map of middle-east…

Quoting femme_fatal:

and even some criticisms make out of some TC users turkish haters! unbelievingly naive!


Sorry but i did not call anyone Turkish hater here, i only criticized opinions not people if these sentence said against me…



Thread: Marriage between two faiths

1356.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2007 Mon 11:59 pm

Quoting catwoman:

No, I didn't say that Western countries don't do anything wrongly. I just said that there are things that they do better. I don't agree with you that Turkey is innocent and a victim of western policies. In my opinion, Turkey sets itself up for certain problems, it refuses to change. This is my opinion and you can disagree.



Yes, i totally disagree. Türkiye does not set itself problems, problems always set up by hypocrite countries’ politics(also by ungratefuls from inside) who seem to be ally to Türkiye, it is clear by history. Türkiye is always denigrated by western politics and media, this is nothing but clear as a day. Their goal is always to divide Türkiye can be seen from history. Let me remind you a few from history which came to my mind instantly, firstly politics; In Lausenne conference, sides were discussing Mosul issue if it was bounded to Türkiye or not. Sides agreed on consulting to the people of Mosul but England disagreed and alleged people of Mosul were illeterate, they did not know their nationality . And when the meetings were continuing, suddenly there had begun a rebellion on South east of Türkiye known as Seyh Sait rebellion today. And Türkiye focused on this rebellion, Mosul left to Englishs and other countries changed their side. Then we learned this rebellion was performed by English instigations what a surprise… Another one from present day all European countries and US declared pkk is a terrorist organisation but whats that we see pkk is using modern weapons which was given by European countries and US, they still say pkk is terrorist organisation but they cannot move their finger to stop the propaganda(media) of pkk in their countries, they are supporting them secretly what a hypocracy…And one from media present day; Oliver Stone and Billy Hayes confessed that Midnight Express is nothing but clear cut lie because of their remorse, but surprisingly we couldnt see any western media showed his declarations except Italian media on the contrary they headlined their newspapers “Midnight Express revisited” when a german boy arrested in Antalya, what a hypocracy huh?...These are the ones which came to my mind spontaneously, and you can be sure that many Turks think exactly like this when they see these hypocracies…So how do you think Türkiye will change ?by dividing?no force can do this, Surely Türkiye always refuses all these lies…So Türkiye does not need advices from so-called imperialists about democracy because they are not trustable sorry...



Thread: Marriage between two faiths

1357.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jul 2007 Mon 09:12 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Whenever Turkey has power over other groups, they use it unethically, they do not behave like the developed world which (according to you) accepts criticism from those who are seen as inferior.



Hello catwoman

I disagree with this statement. Actually i couldnt understand what you want to say clearly here. Do you want to say Türkiye treat badly to ethnic groups(in history)? If that is the case, i can say surely thats not true. And whos developed world? Do you mean western countries? Are they angels? How did they develope? with blood or colonies or anything else? What do you think about their hypocrite politics? And so on…Just give you a one example of hypocracy about Türkiye, you know France forbid to say there is no Armenian holocaust with laws. Excuse me but you are criticizing Türkiye, at the same time you are praising so-called developed countries here...



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank You

1358.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:43 am

Quoting smiley:

misafırlerim var

onlari gürmeye geldim şimdi çıkacam

gürüşmek üzre

acıl çıkmam lazım



i have guests
i came to see them now ill go out
see you
i have to leave urgently.



Thread: Turkish to English please

1359.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:41 am

You'r welcome jellybabe...



Thread: English to Turkish please

1360.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:40 am

Quoting jellybabe:

It is only 16 days now, i also cant wait to see you. I am looking forward to being in the sun as it is raining all the time here.


Thanks again



Şu anda 16 gün oldu/kaldı, ben de seni görmek için sabırsızlanıyorum. Burada hep yağmur yağdığından,güneş altında olmayı dört gözle bekliyorum.



Thread: English-Turkish

1361.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:36 am

Quoting nucuk34:

My darling family,

I am sorry I have not been available. I have a goal that I am trying to reach before my husband comes home and it is taking a lot of my time. I want my husband to be proud when he comes home and my business has grown and is successful. Noah has been helping me so much also. I am proud of my son. I miss you all so much, and I cannot wait to come home and visit. I wish my darling husband was in Turkey with you so that we could talk more. I promise to do my best to learn Turkish before I come to visit. You are always in my heart and in my prayers. Please pray for our little family, the family that my husband made complete. Love, hugs, and kisses always.



Sevgili Ailem
Üzgünüm müsait değildim. Kocam gelmeden eve yetişmekti hedefim. Kocam eve geldiğinde çok olan işimi bitirmiş olarak onun gurulanmasını istiyorum. Ayrıca Noah da bana çok yardımcı oluyor. Oğlumla gurur duyuyorum. Hepinizi çok özlüyorum ve evinize gelip sizi ziyaret etmek için bekleyemiyorum. Keşke sevgili kocam Türkiye'de olsaydı da daha çok konuşabilseydik. Ziyarete gelmeden önce Türkçe öğrenmek için en iyisini yapmaya çalışacağıma söz veriyorum. Siz her zaman kalbimde ve dualarımdasınız. Lütfen siz de bizim küçük ailemiz için dua edin, kocamın tamamladığı aileme. Sizi sevgiyle kucaklıyor ve öpüyorum.



Thread: Turkish to English please

1362.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:24 am

Quoting jellybabe:

hayatim geleceyin günleri sayiyorum zaman gecmiyor sensiz seni öptüm kendine benim icin iyi bak


Thanks in advance



my dear im counting the days youll come, time does not pass without you, i kissed you, take care of yourself thinking me.



Thread: Marriage between two faiths

1363.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:20 am

Quoting aslı:

Marriage is a sum of cultures. I think different cultures should not argue about marriage. In Turkey most girls like me told before marriage 'there wont be any return from your husband' s house to here'. This is just a tradition, anyone can divorce anytime. But still society will keeps chatting about the reasons of your becoming divorced widow. Everything you do after that will be shame for your family even if they well educated and supportive. For all that reasons marrige bases are quite different. Families are more involved our marriages. So, we can not see marriage like other cultures do. Not that we dont want to, it is about how we raised, how we treated.



You again explained very well aslı :applause:, i completely agree…

Quoting christine:

+ 1 Why does society never say poor girl,she had a bad husband.



Simply because, it is world of men especially in east, traditionalists(peculiarly religious scholars) have been brainwashing the society to benefit from women with their supersitions for centuries. You know Kemal Atatürk struggled against these ignorances, supersitions in Türkiye but you cant elude from these easily because tradition with full of silly supersitions withstand to deep-roots.



Thread: en-->tr, please

1364.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:15 am

Quoting margaretka_84:

I'm sorry I don't have a good mood. I'm only sad and I feel bad. Everyone has got worse moments, not only you. And in this time I need to be hugged by somebady. I need tenderness, but nobady here and I can hug only my teddy bear.


Özür dilerim keyfim yok. Sadece üzgünüm ve kendimi kötü hissediyorum. Herkesin kötü anları vardır, sadece senin değil. Ve şu anda biri tarafından sarılmaya ihtiyacım var. Şefkate ihtiyacım var, fakat burada kimse yok ve sadece oyuncak ayıma sarılabiliyorum.



Thread: Just a few words, please.....

1365.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jul 2007 Sat 12:11 am

deli first part should be "ill stay inside you till morning"



Thread: english to turk lutfen

1366.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jul 2007 Thu 02:16 am

Senin sevdiğin her çiçeği ben de severim.



Thread: eng-tr, pls...

1367.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jul 2007 Thu 02:14 am

Quoting hipnotic:

You know H... what is so sad??
You tell me that D... is so stress, suffer and I don't know what else.

Biliyorsun H... nedir çok üzücü olan?
D...'nin çok gergin olduğunu ve acı çekdiğini söylüyorsun ve başka ne var ben bilmiyorum.

But why nobody think about me,ask me how I feel.
ouu...M...is so bad for D... and D....is so poor, innocent boy.

Fakat neden kimse beni düşÃ¼nmüyor, nasıl hissettiğimi bana sormuyor. ouu...D... M... için çok kötü ve D... çok zavallı ve masum bir erkek.

It is his fault, not mine...that's why, i can't call him
He should tell me I'm sorry, I do something wrong,i grudge very much..but he don't care about that.
he is coward or he don't care about me - that's all.
He conduct me so much, I can't trust him anymore..

Bu onun hatası, benim değil...bu yüzden onu arayamıyorum. Benden özür dilediğini, yanlış bir şey yaptığını, çok kıskandığını söylemeli... ama bu onun umrunda değil. Ya korkak ya da beni önemsemiyor-işte her şey böyle. Benimle devamlı idare etmeye çalışıyor, artık ona güvenemem.

I was shoking, when i hear about everything
I was shure that I can believe him in 100%,but... I was wrong

Duyduğum her şey karşısında şok oldum. Ona inanabileceğime %100 emindim fakat... yanılmışım

He drank drink with my friend, dance with her and go with her to......i don' want to know where

Arkadaşımla içki içti, dans etti ve onunla gitti...Nereye olduğunu bilmek istemiyorum

He hurt me soo soo much

Beni çok fazla incitti.

I was tell him that he can go to disco, but he must just tell me about that. He don't like this agreement, I don't know why, really, I can't understand this.

Ona diskoya gidebileceğini söyledim, ancak bunu bana anlatmalıydı. Bu anlaşmadan hoşlanmadı, nedenini bilmiyorum gerçekten bunu anlayamadım

Today, he is not the same person for me anymore...
He is not my d...anymore
I'm really really sorry about that.

Bugün, artık aynı kişi değil...
Artık benim d...'m değil
Bunun için gerçekten çok üzülüyorum.



Thread: turkish to english lutfen

1368.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jul 2007 Thu 01:55 am

Quoting Leelu:

CANIM askim seni cok seviyorum...cok arkadaþýn var ama *KüCüK iNSANLAR KüCüK SEYLERDEN HOSLANIR... BüYüK INSANLAR KüCüK SEYLERE DOYMUS BAKIRLA ALTININ FARKINA VARABiLEN iNSANLARDIR... Yaþamanýn tadýna varan,elindeki mutluluklara sahip çýkan,deli dolu,neþeli,girdiði ortama neþe veren,açýk sözlü,dobra dobra konuþan ve birazcýk DELÝKANLI ruhu olan biriyim.Bazen polyannacýlýk oynarým ama gerçekleri gözardý etmem.Sanýrým bu kadar yeter



My dearest love, i love you so much...you have got lots of friends but LITTLE PEOPLE LIKE LITTLE THINGS...BIG PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO CAN DISTINGUISH COPPER FROM GOLD...I am the one who tastes living, owns the happiness which held by own hands, is full of craziness, is frank, speaks frankly and has got a little brave soul. Sometimes i act like Polyanna but i do not ignore realities. I think thats enough...



Thread: turkish to ingelize, please

1369.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jul 2007 Thu 01:44 am

Quoting torresm607:

benim askim _i_ek
lerin hangisinden hoslanir



Which flowers does my love like?



Thread: Help, need info in English About Bariş

1370.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Jul 2007 Thu 01:43 am

He passed away...



Thread: English to Turkish please

1371.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Jun 2007 Wed 12:08 am

Rica ederim libralady...



Thread: English to Turkish please

1372.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:53 pm

Quoting libralady:

A big favour, could someone please translate this for me.

Dear ?, here are the photo's we promised. Thank you very much for taking us to your home. It was lovely to see your new baby and to meet your wife again. Please thank her again for welcoming us. We hope you are all keeping well and coping with the heat.

Take care

We will see you again one day - we will keep in touch.

Our warmest regards



Sevgili ?, söz verdiğimiz fotoğraflar işte bunlar. Bizi evinize kabul ettiğiniz için çok teşekkürler. Yeni doğan bebeğinizi görmek ve karınla tekrar buluşmak harikaydı. Lütfen ona bizi misafir ettiği için teşekkür et. Umuyoruz ki hepiniz sağlığınızı koruyorsunuzdur sıcaklarla başa çıkarak.
Kendinize iyi bakın
Sizi bir gün tekrar göreceğiz-temasta kalacağız.
En derin saygılarımızla.



Thread: Eng - turk please.

1373.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:44 pm

Bugün ayağımdan ameliyat oldum, çok acı çekiyorum şu an.

btw Get well soon...



Thread: eng-turk plz :)

1374.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:43 pm

You'r welcome!!



Thread: english to turkish, please. Thank you very much.

1375.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:42 pm

Bi şey değil smiley...



Thread: e2 t please

1376.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:11 pm

Lütfen X'e telefonu cevaplamasını söyle.



Thread: eng-turk plz :)

1377.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:11 pm

Quoting amz:

I hope you like gifts. I know im not special to you and you have lots of girls . I hope to see you again in August, Please be honest with me. I enjoy your compsny



Umarım hediyelerden hoşlanmışsındır. Biliyorum senin için özel değilim ve senin bir çok kız arkadaşın var. Ağustos'da seni tekrar görmeyi umuyorum, lütfen bana karşı dürüst ol. Arkadaşılığından hoşlanıyorum.



Thread: e to t plz

1378.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:08 pm

Quoting sooz:

hiya babe,
hope your still talking to me after the messages i sent you, i sent you a letter and pictures over 4 weeks ago now have you received them? hope to hear from you soon not spoken to you in 2 weeks.

hope someone can help xxxxx



Merhaba bebek
Umarım sana yolladığım mesajlardan sonra hala benimle konuşuyorsundur, sana bir mektup ve resimler yolladım 4 haftayı geçti yollayalı, şimdi onları aldın mı? Umarım kısa zamanda cevap verirsin 2 haftadır konuşmadık.



Thread: english to turkish, please. Thank you very much.

1379.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 11:06 pm

Quoting smiley:

I am glad that you had a good time in Bandirma. I wish I was there to meet your family, too. Let me know when there is another big occassion, and I will try to be there.

Thank you very much for the text and email. I was on my way to work when I received the text. I was very busy at work today and so I couldn't reply. I thought I would wait till tonight to speak to you.



Bandırma’da iyi zaman geçirdiğine memnun oldum. Ailenle tanışabilmek için bende orda olmayı dilerdim. Başka büyük bir fırsat olursa beni bilgilendir ve ben de orada olmaya çalışayım.

E-postan ve yazın için çok teşekkürler. Yazını aldığımda işe gitmek için yoldaydım. Bugün işte çok meşguldüm ve bu yüzden cevap yazamadım. Seninle konuşmak için (bu) geceye kadar beklemem gerektiğini düşÃ¼ndüm.



Thread: English to Turkish please

1380.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 08:34 pm

Quoting jellybabe:

Are you ok with it being so very hot there. It is like winter here.I hope its not to busy for you, i couldn't work in that. I hope its cooler when i come or i won't move out lol.


Thanks in advance



Orası çok sıcakmış iyi misin? Burası kış gibi. Umarım senin için çok meşgul değildir, o durumda ben çalışamazdım. Umarım geldiğimde daha serin olur veya taşınmayacağım lol.



Thread: e-t, please

1381.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Jun 2007 Tue 08:28 pm

Quoting Deniz Kız:

I want to see you! I promise you I will always be with you!



Seni görmek istiyorum! Sana söz veriyorum her zaman seninle birlikte olacağım!



Thread: e to t plz

1382.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:36 pm

no problem, have a good night too...



Thread: e-t please

1383.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:34 pm

Quoting jools:

Such sweet sounds come from those mouths..it is a shame they all say same thing..and it is not sincere. My home is open to you all the time

Thank you



Bu kadar tatlı sesler o ağızlardan geliyor...ne ayıp tümü aynı şeyi söylüyor..ve içten değil. Evim her zaman sana açık.



Thread: one line E -> T

1384.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:32 pm

Biliyorum kalbime iyi bakacaksın



Thread: Please help - turkish to english. Thank you

1385.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:28 pm

Quoting smiley:

I have never known so much problems for a simple transfer of money!!

I rang several numbers this morning to trace where the money is, and my bank insists it left England on 4 June. If the account number was correct in the first place, we will not have this problem. My bank said if there was a problem with the new number, they would have contacted me by now. My bank faxed the new number on wednesday 6 June and it will take another 2 to 3 days for the money to be transfered into the account. Hopefully, it will be in tomorrow. I don't know what else I can do as the bank said the money is already in Turkey. Ask Ercan to check with the HSBC head office. I attached a scanned copy of the application form. I also faxed a copy to the number you gave me. Good Luck.



Paranın nerede olduğunu takip edebilmek için bugün sabah birkaç telefon numarasını aradım, ve benim bankam 4 Haziran’da paranın İngiltere’yi terk ettiği hususunda ısrar ediyor. İlk sıradaki hesap numarası doğru ise, böyle bir sorunumuz olmayacaktır. Bankam eğer yeni numarad bir sorun varsa, benimle şimdiden sonra irtibata geçeceklerini söyledi. Bankam yeni numarayı 6 Haziran Çarşamba günü faksladı ve paranın diğer hesaba geçmesi 2-3 gün alacaktır. Umarım, yarın hesaba geçer. Başka yapabileceğim ne var bilmiyorum, banka paranın zaten Türkiye’de olduğunu söylüyor. Ercan’a HSBC ana ofisini kontrol etmesini söyle. Başvuru formunun taranmış bir kopyasını ekledim. Bir kopya da senin verdiğin numaraya faksladım. İyi şanslar.



Thread: e to t plz

1386.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 10:22 pm

Quoting sooz:

hi sexy, hows ur day been on the boat? hope your back is feelin better? i posted you a letter 2 weeks ago, have you got it yet? i brought you a present today, not sure how im going to get it to you yet, i hope you like it tho. txt me to let me know your ok.

thanks guys xxxxxxxx



Merhaba seksi, teknedeki günün nasıldı? Umarım sırtını iyi hissediyorsundur? 2 hafta önce sana bir mektup yolladım, aldınmı? Sana bugün hediye getirdim, ama sana nasıl ulaştıracağımdan emin değilim, umarım hoşuna gider. İyi olduğunu söylemek için bana yaz.



Thread: Please translate, eng-turk. Thank you so much.

1387.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jun 2007 Mon 12:05 am

Rica ederim smiley



Thread: Kutahya Military Base.

1388.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2007 Sun 11:39 pm

You'r welcome..im pleased if it helped...Then your partner is officer there, sublieutenant?



Thread: Please translate, eng-turk. Thank you so much.

1389.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2007 Sun 11:33 pm

Quoting smiley:

I did not have a good holiday. I was unhappy, miserable and lonely. I paid for another airline ticket to come back early.I suppose to come home on 13 June.

Güzel bir tatil geçirmedim. Mutsuz, perişan ve yalnızdım. Erken dönmek için başka bir havayollarından bilet aldım. 13 Haziran’da evde olacağımı tahmin ediyorum.

The woman that I went with on holiday is still in the all inclusive hotel in rhodes. We did not get on at all. She was a very difficult and rude person. We were so different in character. I was happy to come home. I was feeling low and decided to return early and use the remaining of this holiday later for Didim.

Tatile beraber gittiğim kadın hala Rodos’taki her şey dahil otelde kalıyor. Pek uyuşamadık onunla. Kaba ve zor bir kişiydi. Karakter olarak birbirimizden çok farklıydık. Eve geldiğim için mutluyum. Kendimi neşesiz hissediyordum ve erken dönmeye karar verdim ve geri kalan tatilimi daha sonra Didim için kullanacağım.

It was very hard being so close to Turkey and not see you. It was difficult to get to Didim without having to go via Athens. The only trip to Turkey from Rhodes to Turkey was to Marmaris.

Türkiye’ye bu kadar yakın olupta seni görememek çok zordu. Didim’e gitmek zordu sadece Atina yoluyla gitmek zorundasın. Rodos’dan sadece Türkiye’nin Marmaris’ine seyahat edebiliyorsun.

There were 90% German holidaymakers, all are either couples or with families. I spent one day in Rhodes town, another day by the pool and beach and at the poolside bar. I did not see much of Rhodes as I was there for only 3 nights instead of the 7 days that I was supposed to be there. I rather be at home than be unhappy there.

Tatilcilerin %90’ı Almandı, hepsi ya çift ya da aileleriyle birlikteydi. Rodos ilçesinde(merkezinde) sadece bir gün geçirdim, diğer gün havuzda ve sahilde ve havuz yanındaki barda. Rodos’u fazla görmedim, orada 7 gün kalmayı düşÃ¼nürken sadece 3 gece oradaydım. Orada mutsuz olmaktansa evde olmayı yeğledim.

Anyway, I am going to put take the rest of the holiday for my trip in September. I can't wait to see you again. I miss you lots.

Neyse, geri kalan tatilimi eylüldeki seyahatim için saklayacağım. Seni tekrar görmek için sabırsızlanıyorum(bekleyemiyorum). Seni çok özlüyorum.



Thread: T-t E translation please

1390.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2007 Sun 12:17 am

my attempt;

Quoting elibutterfly:

Hello Evrybody.

Could somebody help me to understand what this song is about?

Many thanks in advance


Ben yar kendimi bildim bileli
bir sana asik sana deli
seninle actigim bu gozleri
seninle kaparim ancak(2)

my love ever since i have known myself
Im only in love with you im crazy for you
These eyes which are opened with you
Merely closed with you

Dur durak bilmez bu gonul
kosar pesinden ah bir omur
son demindeyken hayatin
neden bu surgun

My soul doesnt know how to stop
Oh it runs after you for whole life
At the last period of life
Why is this exilement


Bilirim seni sevdim zamansiz
sen sabirsiz ben bir arsiz
hic utanmadik inan
seninle sevisirken

I know i loved you untimely
You are impatient, im shameless
We never shamed believe me
When making love with you

Gel yalan yokki icimde
sen tanimadinmi onca sene
duslerimden kalktim hep
sana uyandim sadece

Come, there is no lie in my inside
Havent you recognized since many of the years
I always woke up from my dreams
I only woke up to you

Ben yar kendimi bildim bileli
bir sana asik sana deli
seninle actigim bu gozleri
seninle kaparim ancak(2)

Gel yalan yokki icimde
sen tanimadinmi onca sene
duslerimden kalktim hep
sana uyandim sadece


Ben yar kendimi bildim bileli
bir sana asik sana deli
seninle actэgim bu gozleri
seninle kaparim ancak(4)



Thread: translation lutfen

1391.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2007 Sun 12:09 am

Quoting tommysbar:

send me a picture of yourself via email my email address is .......your email is ........ incase you have forgotten it.


e-posta yoluyla bana resmini gönder, benim e-postam...., senin e-postan....unutmuş olabilirsin diye.



Thread: eng-trk

1392.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jun 2007 Sun 12:07 am

Quoting seksi:

askim, i spoke to him yes. but i dont understand why it matters so much?! he is your friend, i dont know why you dont like us speaking. dont just say you dont like it....what is the real problem?? why is it a problem??

if i talk to other boys i am only talking ok? i am never thinking of other boys, i am thinking of YOU. i am never wanting other boys, i am wanting YOU, i am never looking at other boys, i am looking to YOU.....ok?? its YOU! YOU who i want, YOU who i miss, YOU who i need, and YOU who i love.

i am yours for now and forever.



Aşkım, evet onunla konuştum. ama niye bu kadar önemli anlayamadım?!o senin arkadaşın, niye konuşmamızdan hoşlanmadığını bilmiyorum. sadece hoşlanmadığını söyleme...gerçek sorun nedit??niçin bu bir sorun??
eğer diğer erkeklerle konuşuyorsam, sadece konuşuyorum tamam mı? Asla diğer erkekleri düşÃ¼nmüyorum, ben seni düşÃ¼nüyorum. Asla diğer erkekleri istemiyorum, ben seni istiyorum, asla diğer erkeklere bakmıyorum, ben sana bakıyorum.....tamam mı?O SENSİN!istediğim SENSİN,özlediğim SENSİN, ihtiyaç duyduğum SENSİN, ve sevdiğim SENSİN.
şimdi ve sonsuza kadar seninim.



Thread: eng to turk please

1393.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2007 Sat 11:59 pm

Quoting Nicinoo:

Can anyone please help with the following? In need of it translating for me if you would be so kind. Thank you.



When are you back to work? Been looking on the internet for a car I can hire whilst there. Do you know of somewhere reasonably priced near to Side? Let me know if you do. Miss you lots. 9 weeks to go!



Ne zaman işe geri dönüyorsun? İnternette oradeyken kiralayabileceğim bir arabaya bakıyorum. Side yakınlarında uygun bir fiyata kiralayabileceğim herhangi bir yer biliyor musun? Eğer biliyorsan beni bilgilendir. Seni çok özledim. 9 hafta kaldı!



Thread: e t t please

1394.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2007 Sat 09:44 pm

Quoting stephie:

hello babe.i hope you ok.41 days and counting untill i am back with the man i love.each day passes, i kiss your photo and it makes me smile everyday, i am so happy with you.

thanks in advance x x x



Merhaba bebek. umarım iyisindir. Sevdiğim adamla tekrar birlikte olmama 41 gün kaldı ve geri sayım sürüyor. Geçen her gün, resmini öpüyorum ve bu hergün beni gülümsetiyor, seninle olduğum için çok mutluyum.



Thread: eng-tr

1395.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2007 Sat 09:41 pm

Quoting ambertje:

I think we both should be more straight forward to each other

Say me what you want

Can someone help me with those 2 lines?



Sanırım ikimizde birbirimize karşı daha dürüst/doğru olmalıyız.

Ne istediğini söyle bana



Thread: another one please....eng - turk

1396.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2007 Sat 07:03 pm

Bu gece Türkiye saatiyle 10da msnye geleceğim, umarım sende çevrimiçi olursun.



Thread: What are you listening now?

1397.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Jun 2007 Fri 08:22 pm

No tengo lugar Naci en Alamo



Thread: Kutahya Military Base.

1398.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Jun 2007 Fri 06:56 pm

Yes, there is a military air base in Kütahya where inexprienced new soldiers were trained and educated and after these(1 or 3 months) they will sent to the Air Bases or Main Jet Air Bases which are placed in 9 different cities/towns in Türkiye if im not wrong, these bases are in Balıkesir, Konya, Merzifon, Malatya, Diyarbakır, Ankara, İzmir and Eskişehir.



Thread: Carlos set for Fenerbahce switch

1399.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Jun 2007 Thu 03:32 pm

Quoting vineyards:

I think they are making investments of this sort because they are planning on launching a fossil museum soon.



Yes same as Gs has players like H.ŞÃ¼kür, E.Penbe etc, also Hagi was the same. Im sure you are Gs supporter, because only Gs supporters acting like you nowadays abour the transfer of R.Carlos :lol: Dont be jealous man, and accept this is a big transfer for Türkiye. Am i correct are you Gs fan?



Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

1400.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:05 am

Quoting Aysenur:

We should make a difference between ataturk and Islam.
If you follow ataturk I respect you but if you follow islam you will agree that this case is not correct. This is a personal decision.



Sorry i cant understand you here, what do you mean to say? Can you expatiate? Do you want to say that people are irreligious if they are being ruled by the laws of Kemal Atatürk? Or do you want to say their religion is Kemalism, something like that? If that is the case, i kindly advise you to read Kuran.

Quoting Aysenur:

The best muslim country was at the time of our beloved prophet (SAW).



Exactly!!! But were there sects at time of prophet? Then why we have sects today, and why each sect divided into thousands of cults? What are their problems? Which one is teaching true Islam?You cannot answer them easily, because everybody thinks differently, and also free to think, so unfortunately you cannot/wont find best muslim country today and in future (Allah knows best) because each one will force you to direct with its own teachings, freedom?No.Thats why(one of the reason) Kemal Atatürk forbid all cults. Because cult leaders can direct illiterate people using religion according to their belief of Islam but if it is not true Islam teaching then what happens? I remind you the “suicide bombers” as an example of todays who are brainwashed by cults, thinks that they will be martyrs and go to heaven directly. Besides are you offended when people call Islam is a terrorism or heaven as a brothel with 72 houris? For myself i am very offended, but most of the people who is not muslim thinks exactly like this. Do you know why?One important reason(branch) of these is the cults of Islam which have got false teachings and who call theirselves muslim.

And in other subject, imo, anyone can wear anything that he/she wants, anyone can wear Hijab, “çarşaf”, or scarf, anyone can wear mini skirts or even underpants only, if you put all laws aside until it restricts other people’s freedom or moral rules of that society or other people’s belief, so we have laws then we cannot put laws aside.You cannot make people have same mind and thoughts. Everybody can believe whatever they want until it restricts other people’s beliefs. For instance a conservative christian teacher say in US teaching in high school but does not want students who have different religions in class, will US government give this right to her/him due to her/his personal liberty? But sure that teacher has rights not to teach, she/he can choose not to teach. Or suppose a male doctor who does not want to look after female patient because of his beliefs or a female working in tax office who rejects to talk to a man and rejects to do the job of a man because of her beliefs etc. Sure all have rights not to do but how can you surmount them?The answer is laws surely, you cannot always satisfy everybody but this does not mean they dont follow laws, exactly they have choice to not follow the laws but then they surely abide the sanctions of that society. And in Türkiye anyone can wear anything according to moral rules of society except public area which is stated by laws.



Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1401.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 04:38 pm

Quoting leander:

I've also been wondering why those spammers never get any warnings.
What they do is simply spamming the board and using it for political propaganda.
Its not like someone sends one or tow articles on subjects they are interested in and want to discuss about.They just spamm the board away with dosens of pro AKP anti turkish state articles taken from the SAME islamist sourceses (like yenizamanan.com) and they always have the EXACT SAME mesage.I get the feeling that they get paid by either AKP or Fettullah Hoca.

I don't know if you noticed but some of them never even bother to construct a single sentence by themselves let alone commenting on ANY of those articles or anything else on this board.They just post zillions of articles and run away.One would think they would at least do it on News and Articles section but to get more attention they post them on other more popular sections like Turkey or Off-Topic.If THATS not spam , i don't know what qualifies as spam.
When is this going to stop? Or are we supposed to spam the place with tons of contra articles too?



Selam leander

i suppose people and admins like to read discussions about political propaganda maybe , all i want to say is nevermind, write your comments and criticisms only, besides i like your way of using language, i think you should contribute more if you have time, i love to read your posts. As for the subject they are being paid, i dont think so because there are not many Turkish people here but im sure they are paying other people you know elections are coming . And i think no need to post contra articles, as for me i prefer to write my own opinions. In others i completely agree with you. Neyse i do not want to start a new debate..

Best wishes



Thread: Please translate English to Turkish

1402.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 04:16 pm

Quoting uncharee:

At here I feel so lonely, I want to come back our house as soo as it's possible. Hoping everyday and everynight pass quickly. This week my sister return to Bangkok already. I live here alone. I always have meal alone. Eveytimes of my meal, I always think of you, mom. I want all of my meal at here is from your hand.



Burada kendimi yalnız hissediyorum, evimizemümkün olan en kısa sürede geri dönmek istiyorum. Her günün ve her gecenin çabuk geçmesini umarak. Bu hafta zaten kızkardeşim Bongkok'a dönüyor. Burada yalnız yaşıyorum. Her zaman yemekleri yalnız yiyorum. Her öğünde, her zaman seni düşÃ¼nüyorum. Burada bütün yemekleri senin elinden yemek istiyorum.



Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1403.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 04:10 pm

Quoting MrX67:

and i think you don't aware of you giving so big harm to people with this worries and selfish democracy opinions,Opposite as your saids you just want democracy for only urself,and you say democracy is exist just how you understood.



Which harm? There, im not talking about democracy maybe you cannot understand, or you do not want to undestand and blaming me. im talking about rules of democracy that are valid in Türkiye now and those are the rules, laws which people like you try to make flexible by saying tolerance…I only want people to obey the rules of Republic, respect to the judgement, isnt that democratic right???Then i became selfish but you are TOLERANT and democratic however you dont like the rules(because you are tolerant???) according to your view of democracy, and saying tolarence what a contrast is this…

Quoting leander:

Really? Where were you when AKP propagandists spam the board with zillions of anti-state, anti secular articles and irrelevant AKP eulogies on Turkey section back to back, taken from the same islamist source?



That is true, when i first joined to TC, i sent a letter to admin about one of these AKP propagandist article reminding admin the forum rule number 10…But i realised that nothing would have happened and i got no answer to my letter, so i began to write under these topics about politics.



Thread: eng-tr

1404.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 04:03 pm

Quoting ambertje:

We will be going to the theater this afternoon. After that we will be going the restaurant for dinner. My parents are taking us because of their 30 years of marriage. I will be home around 21.00.


First 2 lines, my attempt:Bu ogleden sonra tiyatroya gelecegiz. Ondan sonra aksam yemegi icin restorana gelecegiz.

More I don't know. Can someone help me?



Bu öğleden sonra tiyatroya gideceğiz. Ondan sonra akşam yemeği için restorana gideceğiz. Ebeveynlerim beni alacaklar çünkü onların 30. evlilik yılı(yıldönümü). Saat 9 gibi evde olacağım.



Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1405.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 09:14 am

Quote:

Quoting Me:


My point is traveling to or talking with god is an important point in all religions, therefore it may not be a good basis to base a study.


Miraç ?

Quoting Armegon:

If you look at these events through Quranic window, you can see these are impossible. Quran does not mention anything about the travel to God. Actually according to the view of Quran no vision can grasp Allah. But other religions or historical writings possibly mentions.


Also Jesus is not dead, he is waiting in the heaven with God for the day of his return.
And Moses talked to God in person on a mountain that I couldn't remember now.
I meant the similarities between nowadays and ancient religions. And again no offense on any religion.



I said Quranic, you cant find a verse mentioning Mirac in Quran and traveling Muhammed to God or seeing God... I said vision of God... Also according to Quran Jesus is dead also...
I think this topic will return into religionic debate...



Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1406.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 07:28 am

It is true that every culture had been affected from eachother. As a religionic concept human being all came from Adam and Eve so we can say there was only one language and religion at first. Can we know what language was that? No. And we can see lots of similarities in religions throughout the history. For example you can see similar stories in Sumers like Noah flood or you can see similar trinity concept in ancient religions as we know one of the Gospel writer Pavlus was also a pagan at first or you can see lots of similarities between ancient Egyptian religion and ancient any other religion etc. So In religionic concept one can interpret SFS’s idea like; maybe this only shows that God always sent messengers to the people(civilisations) and people corrupted the God’s religion so God continued to send messengers till Muhammed(view of a muslim maybe). But you only see many similarities between ancient Turanian religion and CULTURE(mixture of them) and religion and the CULTURE of American Natives rather than other cultures or religions such as Buddism, Hinduism,Zoroastrism etc(Again in view of Islam all of them are corrupted religions but all of them from same God, but the culture of civilisations were different , sure they have to be some common things.). So surely every culture maybe had taken some things from other cultures and every culture evolves but this does not mean cultures change into another culture if there is not an assimilation.

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Greeks were traveling to Hades, and other religions were traveling to their gods, in Islam Mohamed had a travel to God, Moses and Jesus traveled to or talked with God, still in Christianity Fathers are the link between God and human beings, they can talk with God.(Correct me if I am wrong here, and I don't want to start a discussion about religions, in the way of which one is right or which one is wrong.)



If you look at these events through Quranic window, you can see these are impossible. Quran does not mention anything about the travel to God. Actually according to the view of Quran no vision can grasp Allah. But other religions or historical writings possibly mentions.

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

In the light of above explanations(IMHO), If I follow the hypothesis, I may say that we(Turks) started at Africa -> Mesopotamia -> Asia -> America.
But, what I believe is there is not enough proof to prove that American Natives are Turks. There are so many similarities around the world preventing us to find SAMENESS between both cultures.



Supposedly you contradict yourself here, you say people started at Africa(you have enough proof for these ?? Genetics??) but you say there is not enough proof that American Natives are Turks(remember Genetics??). Also You cannot know hows the continents at the beginning.



Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1407.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 07:15 am

Quoting MrX67:

i didn't say that i'm only arkadaş,but thats such a big paradox in ur democracy opinions and such an extrem words for defence somethings???


Where is paradox in that? I only give an example with a simile to show there is nowhere endless democracy. But i think you dont like my example, i thought you are as tolerant as Jesus, what a pity i was wrong.

Quoting MrX67:

no worries,if it goes this way they will ask at home even as ssson as.well,sure we all have to observe common rules,especially on public areas and places,and secualrism is the one of strongest balance of all democraices,noone of can't deny that,but as if you don't know and live in our traditions,and as if u r strangers of the people which you born and raised in???



When have you seen people have problems practising religion before in Türkiye even a foreigner? If it is better to pray in schools instead of educating, lets change the schools into madrasah, tekke or whatever…Continue to bomb the basis of Republic by saying “tolarence tolarence” like Papa Hodja in America.

Quoting leander:

It's funny how some islamists who constantly talk about human rights and democracy when it comes to being allowed wearing headscarves in universities, get mad and accuse others of disrespecting the 'culture' when people point out to severe woman rights violations in rural areas or islamist circles.



Well said !! They like democracy and judgement when they give good decisions for them otherwise begin to insult to democracy and judgement.



Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1408.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 May 2007 Thu 07:41 pm

Quoting MrX67:

theres no place for double standard in democracies,u r either democrat or not,how can you force other one to live like you or to think like you,if the people don't give any harm to rules???



Oldu..
In democracy, there is no endless freedom. Suppose a person going to work with a shorts and t-shirt and says this clothing is because of my religion, beliefs, what will you do? How can you surmount of this? Every state or even every company and firm has its own rules about wearing, and you should have to follow those rules, there is nowhere endless freedom. You have to follow the rules if you want to obtain rights.


Quoting MrX67:

news??huh,do you believe all news objective????



The only objective is you here?



Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1409.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 May 2007 Thu 06:32 pm

Quoting aslı:

Konu çok basit . Anadolu da yaşayan müslüman kadınlar, metropollerde yaşayan nereden geldiği belirsiz paralarla crem de la crem yaşamlar süren, hollywood sosyetesinden tek farkları başlarındaki örtü olan müslüman kadınları anlamıyorlar, kendilerinden kabul etmiyorlar. Fonda çalan Sezen Aksu şarkısının anlattığı hayatı yaşayan kadınlar dekolte giyen kadınlarla, parisien marka pantolonlu eşarplı takımlar giyen kadınlar arasında bir fark görmüyorlar. Klipte fon olarak seçlen yeşilli kırmızılı renkler ve temiz kalpli insanların ağzından yapılan yorumlar gerçeği anlatıyor. Hediye paketi gibi süslenip üstüne iki de fiyonk attın mı tamam diyen başÃ¶rtülü kadınlar, eşlerinin makamı aksini söylese de Türkiye' deki inançlı kadınların tamamını temsil etmiyor. Beni hiç etmiyor.



Well said aslı

In comments you can see what the video owner criticizing;

"Anadolu kadınının cefakar, çalışkan, mütevazi müslümanlığını anlatmak istedim. Eleştirdiğim islam modası adı altında, altı kaval üstü şişhane tesettür kıyafetleri. Çünkü, islam akıl, mütevazi nefsi hertürlü gösterişten, kötülüklerden arındırma dinidir. "



Thread: english to turkish, please. Thank you very much.

1410.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 11:25 pm

I have done some corrections on the last sentences.

Quote:


Ya da banka çekini göndericinin adına düzenleyebilirim. Bankanın çeki pound veya lira olarak kabul edip etmeyeceğini tekrar sor. Bunu kabul edip etmeyeceğini sor.



Ya da banka çekini satıcının adına düzenleyebilirim. Tekrardan onun(satıcının) bankasının banka çekini pound veya lira olarak kabul edip etmeyeceğini sor. Ona bunu(çeki) kabul edip etmeyeceğini sor.



Thread: turk - eng please!

1411.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:58 pm

He is not jealous of your beauty dagdelen but he is jealous of someone who sees your beauty via photo



Thread: Tiny one please....

1412.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:49 pm

Quoting MelekUK:

Just a small one please forum?

"I am going to ask your brother to send my letter to you. I want to write him a small note but I can't remember his name aşkım!"

Thank you friends! xxxx



"Mektubumu sana yollayıp yollamayacağını erkek kardeşine soracağım. Ona küçük bir not bırakmak istiyorum ama ismini hatırlayamadım aşkım!"



Thread: turk - eng please!

1413.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:46 pm

Quoting Gizli Yuz:

So in this case the sentence "I envy you" can mean that "I wish I were as beautiful as you are."

Am I right?


I think "im jealous of you" is better than "i envy you" here in translation...



Thread: turk - eng please!

1414.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:38 pm

envy means "gıpta etmek", "imrenmek" in Turkish.
For example "çok sağlam bir kişiliği var, ona gıpta ediyorum->he has got a strong personality, i envy him"



Thread: Eng-turk,,,,,please :)

1415.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:02 pm

You'r welcome... i made a small correction now, have a look again



Thread: Eng-turk,,,,,please :)

1416.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 09:54 pm

Quoting and_eea:

1.you have a free space near you, can i come there?
2.your world is up side down and (name)keeps you like that.i like your world,can i join you?



1.Yakınında boş bir yer var, oraya gelebilir miyim?
2.Senin dünyan keyifli( yükselmiş ) ve (name)senin öyle kalmanı sağlıyor. Senin dünyandan hoşlanıyorum, sana katılabilir miyim?



Thread: eng - turk please...last one..

1417.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 09:50 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

its a silly translation but i will be grateful ..thanks in advance.

i will delete the photo for you, but i dont understand why you are jealous? there is no need for you to be jealous...i have pictures and writing about you all over my page, everyone knows i am in a relationship, but you dont even mention my name on yours and i dont say anything... anyway i will call you tonight at 10pm turkish time...make sure your sister is there aswell, i need to speak with her also!



Senin için fotoğrafı sileceğim ancak niye kıskandığını anlamadım? Kıskanmana gerek yok… Benim bütün sayfamda senin hakkında yazılarım ve resimlerim var, herkes benim bir ilişkim olduğunu biliyor, ama sen kendi sayfanda benim adımı hiç belirtmiyorsun ve ben bir şey demiyorum…neyse bu gece seni saat 10’da arayacağım… kız kardeşinin de orada olduğundan emin ol, onunla da konuşmaya ihtiyacım var.



Thread: turkish to english, please - Thank you so much

1418.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 09:47 pm

Quoting smiley:

benden istediğin evrakları faks'ladım, daha sonra detaylı anlatırım sana.
parayı ' da arkadaşına ver, ondan alırım,çünkü benım banka hesabım yok.
arkadaşının kım olduğunu,ne zaman geleceğini bana bildir lütfen,
arkadaşın geldiği zaman ben ondan alırım, sende benim bilgilerimi ver ona.
seni seviyorum bu yaptığın iyiliği unutmayacağım, şimdiden sana çok teşekkür
ederim.
eylülde geldiğin zaman seni çok mutlu edeceğim! Çünkü seni çok seviyorum ve
özlüyorum!!!!



I faxed the documents that you requested, ill tell you in details later. Give the money to your friend, ill take it from her/him, because i have not got a bank account. Please inform me that who your friend is, when he/she will come, when she comes, i take it, also give my informations to him/her. I love you, i wont forget your favor, right now i thank you so much.
I will make you very happy when you come on September! Because I love and miss you so much!!!



Thread: translation please eng-turk

1419.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:47 am

You'r welcome...
Maybe you mean "utangaç->shy", "sıkılgan->timid"?



Thread: tr - eng

1420.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:37 am

Quoting dagdelen:

1. onunlakonusuyorum

2. duygu bnm icin de geçerli

3. evden dışarıya cıkmıyoruım ki



1. im talking to him/her

2.emotion is also valid(accaeptable) for me

3.Im not going out of house



Thread: english - turkishhhhhh lutfen

1421.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:35 am

Quoting dagdelen:

oh! i have noticed you put your maritial status as 'single'...i thought you were in a relationship!


oh! farkettim ki medeni durumunu bekar olarak seçmişsin(göstermişsin)...ben senin bir ilişkin olduğunu düşÃ¼nüyordum!



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1422.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:32 am

Quoting korshad:


Basic nouns:

Sun: kün->güneş
moon: ay->ay
sky: asman->gökyüzü or sema
star: yultuz->yıldız
earth: yer->yer or yeryüzü
soil: topraq->toprak
road: yol->yol
mountain: tagh->dağ
river: derya->ırmak or nehir or akarsu
sea: dengız->deniz
water: su->su
air: hava, gaz, yel->hava(yel means wind in Türkiye Turkish)
house: öy->ev
family: aile->aile
human: adem, kişi, insan->kişi, insan
male: er, erkek->er, erkek
female: ayal, hatun->dişi, kadın
boy: oghul->erkek çocuk or oğlan or oğul
girl: qiz->kız
baby: bowaq->bebek
animal: haywan->hayvan
tree: dereh, yaghach is wood.->ağaç
plants: ösümlük->bitkiler
sound: awaz, ün->ses, seda, avaz
day: kün, kündüz->gün, gündüz
night: keçe, tün, ahşam->gece
summer: yaz->yaz
autumn: küz->güz or sonbahar
winter: qiş->kış
spring: etiyaz->ilkbahar
road: yol->yol
country: dolet, memliket, weten, el->ülke, memleket, vatan
hometown: yurt->yurt
city: sheher->şehir
shool: mektep->okul or mektep




Thread: translation please eng-turk

1423.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:04 am

Quoting ekd:

please could someone translate this for me:

i'm very sorry, i'm insecure and thats why i ask questions all time. please dont feel bad, its my problem, you didnt do anything wrong. i cant help being like this, i'm sorry.


many thanks.

ekd. x


Üzgünüm, güvensizim ve bu yüzden her zaman sorular soruyorum. Lütfen kötü hissetme, bu benim sorunum, sen yanlış bir şey yapmadın. Böyle olduğum için yardım edemiyorum, özür dilerim.



Thread: türkçe - english, very short

1424.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 12:01 am

it cannot be, it is impossible brother, ok?



Thread: turkce=izgnlice lutfen

1425.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 May 2007 Sun 10:30 pm

Quoting melnceyhun:

sen benim teyzemin oglu ceyhunla çıkıyorsun demi melisa
      
sen

benim teyzemin

ogluyla çıkıyorsun demi melisa



sen

ceyhunu

tanıyormusun


Melisa, Are you dating with my aunt's son Ceyhun? right?

Do you know Ceyhun?



Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1426.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 09:57 pm

Selam KeithL, SFS and all we are talking about history approximately 10000 years ago, you cant even know which tribe or you cant know which language they were speaking, we are talking about crumbs of similarities between them and the ancient cultures of Central Asia but as i mentioned in my other comment we cannot say surely that they are Turkic people. Today people also dont know the history of 2000 years ago. For example Christians are also debating that if Jesus was married or where was Jesus’s tomb or even if Jesus lived or not etc…



Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1427.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 06:38 pm

Quoting KeithL:

I don't know the religions of the ancient turkic tribes. The religions of the American Indian Tribes of North America all worship the earth. The sun, the wind, the rain, animals. But I think we can find these basic concepts in all ancient religions. Its all basically paginsim.
I do have a question though. I know several turks that really want this link between the two peoples to be true. I dont understand this part of it, on why they want this to be true. It seems to be some kind of romantic notion that they are the same peoples...



Same as ancient Turanian people...I also dont know why Turks really want this link, maybe ill answer it with a Turkish motto "Belki kan çekiyordur"
let me quote a part of an article about the comparison of religions between ancient Turkic people and Native American...

Shamanism of Central Asia and North America

The ancestors of the Native Peoples of Americas are known to have migrated from Central Asia and Siberia to their new homelands in the Americas. Like the ancestors of Turks, they also have shamanistic beliefs. This is another area in which one can search for the representations of shamanistic sky, moon and sun gods. Since the Native peoples of the Americas have migrated from Asia to these continents, it is likely that we may find representations of these astral deities being the same or similar to those found in Central Asia. In searching their culture, we find, for example, the following shamanistic representations:

a) An Altaic shaman's map of his visionary journey to the god "Ulgen" is shown in a figure by Joseph Campbell, [JC, p.158, Fig. 276]. In this figure, the shaman's journey starts from his tent and goes via a world (cosmic) tree, then ascends toward the god Ulgen which is shown at the very top of the ascending path. The god Ulgen is represented in the form of a man radiating light all over like the sun.

b) In another figure, "A Chukchi map of the heavenly ways" is shown by Joseph Campbell, [JC, p.158, Fig. 277]. In this map, a sun, a crescent moon, Pole star together with other stars and the Milkyway are illustrated.

c) In the words of Joseph Campbell, we have: 'a colorful yarn painting of the shamanisic visionary journey is given as a New World counterpart to that of the Central Asian Altaic shaman', [JC, p. 159, Fig. 280]. This painting which belongs to the Shamans of the Huichol Indian tribe of Nayarit in western Mexico shows a crescent and a five pointed white star which is attached to one tip of the crescent. There are four wavy rays emanating from the star and also four wavy rays to the left of the star are the "fiery curtain of solar rays through which the shaman had to pass". The path of the shaman's ascent is indicated by footsteps shown on a crescent. This painting is by Ramon Medina.

According to the description given by Joseph Campbell: "this painting by Ramon Medina is of a journey inspired by a supernatural summons to bring back to earth, in the form of a rock crystal, the soul of an ancestral shaman wishing to return. The star is the rock crystal to be found. This visionary journey of a shaman from Mexico obviously resembles that of the shaman from Central Asia (276), even to the detail of the tree, which appears in the Altaic map at the start of the shaman's flight into space, and here in the Huichol painting at the center of the composition."

d) In the words of Mircea Eliade, we have: "The designs ornamenting the skin of the drums are characteristic of all the Tatar tribes and Lapps. Among the designs, are always the most important symbols, as, for example the World Tree, the sun and moon, the rainbow and others. In short, the drums constitute a microcosm: a boundary line separates sky from the earth, and in some places, earth from the underworld", [ME, p. 172].

e) To support this description of a shaman's drum, we have a picture of Lapp drumhead from northern Sweden, c. 1800, [JC, p.176, Fig. 306]. The drum's skin is divided into three segments by two horizontal lines. It is described by Joseph Campbell: "In the Upper World: the sun and moon (or, perhaps the sun setting and rising) are seen along with heavenly beings and their tent. In the middle (left to right): the Mistress of the Beasts sends animals to be hunted; a hunter shoots a reindeer; and a shaman, riding upward in a sleigh drawn by a reindeer, is followed by a dog. In the Lower world: three goddesses suggesting the Norns are pictured."

f) Again we have from Joseph Campbell's book the picture of the Yakut (Karagasy) shaman Tulayev, of Irkutsk, wearing his reindeer-leather swan costume. "On his cap of green cloth is sewn a wolf's muzzle with the moon above and stars on each side. ....", [JC, p. 177, Fig. 307].

g) Four buckskin tipi models, collected from the Cheyenne (Native Peoples) in 1904, are shown by N. Bancroft-Hunt and W. Forman [NBHWF, p. 106-107]. These tipi models show the types of sacred images applied to Medicine tipis. One of them, entitled as "Shining Bell's tipi" bears the images of Sun, Moon and Star and the sacred Eagle that carried prayers from Earth to the Sky, [NBHWF, p. 107].

On this tipi, the sacred images of Sun, Moon and a star are vertically arranged on the side of the tipi. Shown are a four- pointed star at the top, a crescent moon in the middle and a sun disk at the bottom. In this illustration of the shamanistic beliefs of astral gods by Cheyenne Indians, we again observe the crescent and star motif.

h) In a book entitled, "Myths of the World Gods of the Maya, Aztecs, and Incas" by Timothy R. Roberts, MetroBooks, 1996, [TRR, p. 56], there is shown an Aztec headdress, which is said to be the only surviving example of Aztec feather work and is made of hundreds of quetzal feathers, is adorned with many golden or gold colored crescents and sun disks. This headdress is presently in the Museum fuer Voelkerhunde, Vienna, Austria. In the same book, twelve major Aztec gods are depicted by pictures [TRR, p. 58-59], one of which (#6) has a sun symbol where between the rays showing the four directions, there the three-pointed sun rays between four directions. Similarly, on the Aztec god represented in this (#7), there is the eight-pointed star symbol. So, it is seen that these sun, crescent and eight-pointed star symbols are all associated with Shamanic religious concepts.

i) In the same book by Timothy R. Roberts, [TRR, p. 90], there is the picture which depicts "Coya Mama, the wife of Manco Capac, the last Inca ruler". In this picture, Coya Mama is holding a mirror reflecting the sun and the mirror represents her husband as the descendent of the sun. This is a Shamanistic concept. Additionally, Coya Mama has a white robe over her shoulder. On the right shoulder, there is a "an eight-pointed star embraced by a crescent symbol.

In all of these examples of shamanic beliefs, both in Altaic Shamanism and the Shamanism of North America, the sacred representation of sky, moon, sun, star or Venus are illustrated on shaman's maps, tipis, drums and costumes. The crescent and star motif seems to be a prominent motif among the sacred representations. Additionally, in all of these cases, the North American Shamanism and the Altaic shamanism seems to point to a common origin in Central Asia. Since the ancestors of the Native Peoples of Americas have migrated from Central Asia and Siberia to the Americas, finding this common origin among them is quite natural and expected.




Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1428.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 06:17 pm

No i do not say only DNA, DNA maybe gives only clue, i also say religions, languages and culture should be compared scientifically.



Thread: What are you listening now?

1429.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 06:14 pm

Chaka Khan-Ain't nobody



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1430.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 06:03 pm

Addition to SFS
small:küçük or ufak
fast:hızlı or tez or çabuk



Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1431.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 May 2007 Fri 05:56 pm

Quoting Peace:

No, Native American Indians are not Turks and will proudly tell you so.lol!!



Peace Peace

You cannot be sure of that. First of all one should scrutinize and compare of the religions and the languages of Native Americans and Turkic people scientifically, these are the only things that can show affinity between these cultures and addition to them DNA analysis. I heard about an scientific research between DNA’s of Native Americans and Middle Siberia include the Turkic-speaking Tuvans, as well as the Mongolic-speaking Buryats. And it says it has shown that American Natives have affinity to the Middle Siberian people . These people from Middle Siberia belong to Altaic linguistic family same as Turkic people. And scientist Ethel Steawert who had researched the origin of Native Americans for 40 years, confirms this.
And one should also add that the religion and culture of Native Americans are similar to the ancient Turanian people.
As a result we cant say surely that they are Turkic people but we are sure that American Natives have similarities to the Turkic people in religion and culture.



Thread: tr-eng

1432.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:43 pm

Quoting ambertje:

su an sivas uc gidince okuyacagim


şu an sivasta saat üç, gidince okuyacağım->its three o'clock in Sivas at the moment,ill read when i go.



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1433.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 11:40 pm

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Since I live in Korea for a long time and studying it, I started to relate every word to a Chinese origin.


I think you should also think and relate the reverse about the origin a little



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1434.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 09:43 pm

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Thanks for your post Armegon.
That took my attention.
Ana and Ata. I have never thought in such way. That may be right.

Sometime ago, I visited a friend of mine who is studying Chinese. Her book was on the table and I couldn't stop myself having a peek at it.
I saw those words. Nei-Nei (Nene-Nine) and Dei-Dei(dede).
That's why I've said 'possibly chinese' in my post above.

Edit: In İstanbul Turkish(as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong) 'mama' means 'the food for baby'. :9
Ba (baba) in Chinese.
Ma (anne) in Chinese.

Why didn't we take Ma(mama), although we took Ba(baba) from Chinese ?
My opinion: Since Ma is one of the easiest sounds that a baby can produce, most countries got it as 'mother' while we got it 'baby food'.



Selam SFS
I do not think we took that words from Chinese.“ana” and “ata” are pure Turkish words and i think “baba” was also derived from these words by time passed, you know Turkish is essentially a monosyllabic language in which mono syllables are the root words and suffixes. It is an agglutinative language in which many words are derived by adding many suffixes to the root word (almost with mathematical regularity). And mama/meme means in old Turkish( same as today ) “mother’s breast” so also “mama” in turkish means baby food, it is derived from “mother’s breast”.



Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

1435.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 08:50 pm

Quoting korshad:


Here are some other words in Uyghur:

Colours (rengler): aq(white), qara (black), qizil (red), yeşil(green), kök (blue), seriq (yellow), sösün (light purple), binepşe (dark purple)

Kül reng (gray), hawa reng (light blue), beghir reng (dark brown), etc.

Degrees of the colours: Aç or sus (light), toq or qeniq (dark)

Family members: dada or ata (father), ana or apa (mother), bowa (grand father), moma (grand mother), tagha (uncle), hamma (aunt), aka or agha (elder brother), aça or hede (elder sister), uka or ini (younger brother), singil (younger sister), jiyen qiz (niece), jiyen oghul (nephew), newre (grand child), çewre (great grand child), ewre (great.... child), peynewre (great ....child), kökül newre (great .....)

Qeyin ana (mother in law), ......
kelin (daughter in law)
küyoghul (son in law)
Quda (parants of wife and husband, how they call each other)
Yenge and yezne ( different from qeyin aça and qeyin aka)


Selam korshad
Here are equivalents in Türkiye's Turkish:
Colours(renkler):ak or beyaz(white), kara or siyah(black), kızıl or kırmızı(red), yeşil(green), mavi(blue), sarı(yellow), açık mor(light purple), koyu mor(dark purple),kül rengi or gri (gray), kahverengi(dark brown)
Degrees of the colurs: açık(light), koyu(dark) we use “aç” for “hungry-greedy” and “tok” for “full-satisfied”
Family members: baba(father), ana or anne (mother), büyükbaba(grandfather(father’s father)), büyükanne or nine (grandmother(father’s mother)), dede(mother’s father), anana or anneanne(mother’s mother), amca(uncle(father’s brother)), dayı(uncle(mother’s brother)), teyze(mother’s sister), hala(father’s sister), agabey or abi(elder brother), abla(elder sister), küçük kardeş(younger brother or sister), kuzen or kız yeğen(niece), erkek yeğen or yeğen(nephew), torun(grand child, great grand child etc)

Kayın ana or Kaynana(mother in law)
Gelin (daughter in law)
Damat(son in law)
Yenge(uncle’s wife or mother’s brother’s wife)

Look at this very interesting;
ana->anaana->nana->nene(nine)->mama->moma and is also used and in english "mum" is also used for mother...
ata->ataata->atata->tata->dada->dede and in english “dad” is used also for father…interesting?



Thread: What are you listening now?

1436.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 06:28 pm

Notre Dame De Paris-Tu Vas Me Detruire



Thread: E-T please

1437.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 06:23 pm

You are welcome!!



Thread: Tur-Eng_Please

1438.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 06:22 pm

Quoting YAZMIN:

Hi guys, can someone help me with this? Thank you!

iyi ki varsýn

Bana deðer vediðin zaman ayýrdýðýn ,beni kýskandýðýn için çok mutluyum.Ýnan benimde sana karþý ayný duygularým var.Bundan þüphen olmasýn.Seni tanýdýðým için çok mutluyum.Tanrýya þükürler olsun.Benim iþ bulmaya ihtiyacým var.Senden çok hoþlanýyorum,benim için deðerlisin ve hep böyle kalacaksýn.Seni görmeye ihtiyacým va çünkü seni çok özlüyorum...GÜZEL KAL...



Im happy that you exist

Im very happy that you see me worthy, you allocate time for me, you are jealous of me. Believe me, i feel the same for you.you should not doubt about that. Im very happy to recognize(know) you. Thank God. I need to find a job. I like you so much, you are precious for me and you will always stay like that. I need to see you because i miss you so much...
Stay beautiful...



Thread: E-T please

1439.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 06:14 pm

Quoting claire21:

My love i feel the same, i am lonely without you. In July we will stay together and when your work is finished in the day and the night we will be together. I want to spend as much time with you as we can


Thank you again


Aşkım bende aynı şekilde hissediyorum, sensiz yalnızım. Temmuzda beraber kalacağız ve gün içinde senin işin bittiğinde ve gece beraber olacağız. Mümkün olduğunca seninle çok zaman geçirmek istiyorum.



Thread: mutluysal - mutluysa?

1440.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 06:11 pm

Quoting Deniz Kız:

Please, what is the right way to say
"mutluysal or mutluysa"? What is the difference?
thank you



mutluysal->has no meaning in Turkish maybe grammatical problem...

mutluysa->if he/she/it is happy...



Thread: please translate

1441.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 05:59 pm

Quoting katielou1978:

my love, it is so difficult to talk for our life together on the phone. I think we should talk when i come there. We must always speak truth for how we feel. i am sure your family will not be happy. But this is no surprise for us. i hope one day they will accept me. maybe when they see we are happy together they will understand. we can live together, learn to know our characters and help each other. I agree with you that it will take time. But i am sure that we will be happy and love each other all life.



Aşkım, Telefonda hayatımız hakkında konuşmak çok zor. Sanırım oraya geldiğimde bunları konuşmalıyız. Her zaman ne hissettiğimiz hakkında doğruları konuşmalıyız. Eminim ailen mutlu olmayacaktır. Ama bu bizim için sürpriz değil. Umarım bir gün beni kabul ederler. Belki birlikte mutlu olduğumuzu görünce anlayacaklardır. Beraber yaşayabiliriz, birbirimizin karakterlerini tanımayı ve birbirimize yardım etmeyi öğrenebiliriz. Ama eminim ki mutlu olacağız ve bütün hayatımız boyunca birbirimizi seveceğiz.



Thread: The crescent and the star in the sky on the night of May 19th

1442.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 May 2007 Thu 12:05 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I too thought it was interesting to read Armegon.

It made me wonder, as the sign of islam also includes this crescent: did the muslims take over the sign of the relgion of their ancestors?



Selam Deli_Kizin, I think when Seljuks and Ottomans began to lead Islam, then all muslims embraced the crescent and star and became a symbol of İslamic world. I also watched in program ceviz kabuğu that Turks also used Nazi’s sign as a motif, it has also a meaning but i cant remember at the moment. Look at the pic of coin below with crescent and star that used by Gokturk Empire 1500 years ago.




Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1443.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 08:54 pm

Quoting mltm:

What I think is with another government we have to finish these PKK terrorists, by very effective operations. Or, we will always live with a fear of a possible attack.



It had been finished before 2003 with the old terror law, but when this government came, they changed the terror law by the pressure of EU and they terminated and dismissed the special forces who were expert on struggle with terrorism again by the pressure of EU(congruity laws of EU), and these new laws tied up hands of Gendarme and Army, now then we come to this situation. Terrorism grew up day by day.



Thread: The crescent and the star in the sky on the night of May 19th

1444.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 May 2007 Wed 08:46 pm

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Thanks Armegon,
for sparing your time and supplying the long information.
That must be the real reason for crescent and star.

Today's flag is a continuity of Ottoman flag.
But the myth, whoever made that up, is an impressive one I think.

best regards,



You are welcome SFS, i just copied and pasted some part of an article, it didnt take so much time of mine



Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1445.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 09:22 pm

It was taken place in Ulus/Ankara in a shopping center where poor or average earning people do the shopping. A4 type plastic bomb was used. The authorities got suspicious about PKK because PKK is using that kind of bomb.

Maalesef, 6 people died and 60 people injured



Thread: The crescent and the star in the sky on the night of May 19th

1446.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 07:26 pm

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:


Do you know the myth(not the real fact) about Turkish flag ? How the crescent and the star became the flag of Turks.
I don't remember the full story but, it is said that;
There was a big war between Turks and an enemy(I don't know who the enemy is, maybe Byzantines maybe not, I actually don't think that such war happened in the history).
The battle lasted for all day long. When it is night time the battle has come to an end. But it was a bloody war. Well, Turks have won it, otherwise the flag would not be that one, right ?
Anyway, when the war is over, it was impossible to see the earth because of the blood shed on earth or battlefield. It was like a blood-lake something. Then everybody saw that the crescent and the star are shining on that blood-lake. So they decided to have this shape(or scene) as a national symbol to remember that day and to sanctify people who shed their blood on that war and to show our respects to their souls.

Well, it is not a happy story. But sanctifying soldiers and showing respect to their souls, who had died for their country, is an important thing.



Actually it is really a myth. This scene may be happenned through a war, and i also saw some paintings depicting this scene. But i think the figure crescent and star is a symbol of ancient Turanian religion Altaic Shamanism. I’ll quote here some parts of an article which i have read(it is too long) to clarify.
“The star used in the 'crescent and star' motif represented the Sun and hence the sun-god most of the times. In other times it represented the planet Venus and hence the goddess 'Inanna' of Sumerians also known by the name 'Ishtar' to Babylonians. Particularly when the planet Venus makes conjunction with the moon in its crescent phase, it makes an unusual celestial crescent and star appearance that must have awed the earliest believers of astral objectes as their gods, believing that their gods were sending a message for them to understand.
In the modern literature, the crescent alone or 'the crescent and star' symbols have been associated with the Ottoman empire and after its collapse, with the successor states and the islamic world in general.
On the other hand, there are some evidences supporting the view that the roots of 'crescent', 'star' and the 'crescent and star' symbols that Turks have used on their flags and standards for more than a thousand years in the recent past go back to Central Asia and seems to be associated with the religious and shamanistic beliefs of the ancestors of Turks.

Traditionally Turks' ancestors were nature believers and nature worshippers in their homelands in Central Asia and Siberia. Through their Shamanistic and other cult beliefs, they revered astral entities and the natural forces on earth that were important for them in their daily life. In the ancient Turkish world as it is now, the word for god is 'Tengri'. This word has variations in the form of 'tengir', 'tengere', 'tangara', 'tangri' and 'tanri'. In their religious beliefs, the sky is identified with 'Tengri' and therefore the sky-god is called 'Kok Tengri'. Tengri is considered to be the 'Only God' who created every thing in the sky (universe) and on earth. In addition to this sky god, they also had other secondary gods such as the moon god 'Ay Tengri', and the sun god 'Kun Tengri' as their most sacred gods as part of the pantheon of Altaic shamanism.

Ancient Turkic peoples had strong beliefs in their shamanic gods and cosmic beliefs. The qaghans of Turkish peoples believed that their qaghanship (kingship) was given to them by their gods, [IK, p.37-46]. Even some Turkish qaghans deified themselves as the representative of the Gok Tengri and other subsidiary gods on earth and used the names of these gods as part of their official titles. This belief was a tradition which had its roots in the Altaic shamanism and cosmic beliefs that lasted thousands of years in the past.

For example, we have the Tangriquts of the Huns such as: 'Tumen Tangriqut' (240-210 BC), 'Batur Tangriqut (210-174 BC), Kokkhan (174-161 BC), Kunkhan (161-126 BC), [TA, p. 180-185].
Among the kings of the Uigur, we have: Etimish Bilge with title of 'Tengride Bolmish El, Qutluq Bilge Qaghan, (742-747 Ad); Bayanchur with the title of 'Ay Tengride Qut Bolmish, Tutmish Bilge Qaghan', (747-759 AD); another one (name unknown) with the title of 'Kun Tengride Ulugh Bolmish, Kuch Kuchluk Bilge Qaghan', (821-824 AD), [TA].
About the Altaic Shamanism, M. A. Czaplicka [1, MAC, p. 30] writes the following: 'The religion of the Turks who were responsible for the inscriptions found in the Yenisei and Orkhon valleys, seems to have been the same Shamanism which is still to be found in a comparatively vital state among many Turanians, especially the Altai 'Tatars' and the 'Yakuts'. If we take Shamanism as a form of animistic religion which originated in Asia, and which differs from the animistic religions of other parts of the world in its conception of the gods and in the nature of its propitiatory ceremonies, then we shall not find in any other part of Central and Northern Asia a more typical and more highly developed form of it than among these people. At the same time it must be remembered that Shamanistic conceptions underlie many of the high religious systems of the Asiatic continent.'
To this view, in the opinion of this author, one can also add the view that the Sumerians were one group of Central Asiatic peoples who helped to spread the Central Asiatic cosmic beliefs and Shamanistic conceptions as the underlying foundation of the religious systems developed in Mesopotamia and the Middle East.

It is also important to mention that in the Central Asiatic culture (Turkish Turfan Textes, regarding the structure of the cosmic system), concepts of four, five, eight and ten directions were known [EE, p. 76-108]. Additionally, four colors were associated with four directions. Namely, 'gok = blue' with the 'East', 'ak = white' with the 'west', 'kizil = red' with the 'south' and 'kara = black' with the north [EE, p. 79]. The five directions represented the four cardinal directions and the direction towards the 'zenith' where the Gok Tenri resided. The number of directions and the colors associated with celestial directions were important concepts that were represented in various flags of Turkish peoples throughout the Central Asia. Such colors have been used as background colors in different flags and the number of cosmic directions have been used in defining the number of points of the star motifs that were used in the crescent and star representations.

Flags of Some Turkish Empires And Other Artifacts of the Recent Past.
a) The flag of the Turkic White Hun Empire (420-552 AD) had three five-pointed gold stars on a white background, [NE];
b) The flag of the Turkic Khazar Empire (602-1016 AD ) had five five-pointed white stars on a blue background, [NE];
Not a flag but an archeological artifact found in Vorobyevo in Rusia and attributed to Khazars has a sun disk with 10 triangular rays emanating from it. On the face of this sun disk, there is a crescent with light rays to its right.', [BO, p. 235].
c) The flag of the Turkish Gazneli Empire (962-1183 AD) had a crescent and a peacock on a green background, [NE];
d) Many monuments of the The Great Seljuk Empire (1040-1157 AD) and the Seljuks of Rum (1077-1308 AD) [TTR] had 'crescent and star' on them, [TTR, plates: 5, 40, 55, 79].
A selection of Seljuk coins had five, six and eight-pointed stars on them, [TTR, plate 79 and p. 271].
Additionally, a crescent embracing a sun disk with eight rays emanating from the disk is shown on the top right hand corner of an arch door used in an Seljuk hospital (about 1217 D) in Sivas belonging to the Seljuks of Rum period, [FK, p. 47-47].
e) The flag of the Golden Horde Empire (1224-1502 AD) had a red crescent together with a 'white balance figure on a black disk' all of which on a white background, [NE];
f) The flag of the Ottoman Empire (1299-1922 AD) had a 'crescent with an eight-pointed star' on a red background, [NE]. Initially the crescent symbol alone has been used on the Ottoman flags, standards, on the very tops of mosques and many other monuments throughout the Ottoman Empire. We have the following from Tamara Talbot Rice which states: '.... It was with real pleasure, therefore, that the young sovereign watched Osman, son of Tugrul, who had succeeded to the chieftainship of the Osmanli tribe, harass the Byzantines, in 1281 extending his fief at their expense. Keyhusrev marked the occasion by investing him with the title of Uc Beg, meaning Protector of the Border, giving him the drum and the horse-hair standard consisting of a red pennant with a white crescent upon it which accompanied the title; ....', [TTR, p. 80];
In the case of the Ottoman flag, as seen in this description, the origine of the Ottoman flag's red colour and the crescent on it probably starts with this event where Giyaseddin Keyhusrev III son of Kilicarslan IV, the Ruler of the Seljuks of Rum grants an emblem to the new Turkish Uc Beg Osman in appreciation of his services; and,
g) Finally the flag of the Turkish Republic of Turkiye has the white 'crescent and a five-pointed star' on a red background. It should also be mentioned that presently all the other Turkish Republics have variations of crescent, star and crescent and star configurations on their flags.
h) In addition to all these given above, five, six and particularly the eight-pointed stars and its many variations have been used by the Turkish peoples as decorating motifs on carpets throughout the Turkish world.
i) One should also note that there are many cemetaries in Central Asia where the tombs are made in the style of Turkish yurts at the top of which an amblem in the form of a crescent or a crescent and star shape is attached to the very top of the yurt-shaped tomb [ND, Figures 10 to 17]. Nejat Diyarbekirli indicates in his article that this was a custom followed by Turks over a long period of time.”



Thread: Please be so kind2help now E-T!

1447.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 07:14 pm

Quoting ay07:

I have only 10 minute,so pls help me if u can.I'd really appreciate it...

My love I'm always afraid that I disturb you, because the job what u got, changed your daytime... Anyway it means that I'm thinking of you all day and night also..Just when can I send my "goodnight-kisses"? O.k. then I'm sending 1440 kisses, because it's enough for everyminute of the day. I love you more than everything. (I love you also more than eating strawberry Don't forget about the strawberry and about ME!



Aşkım seni rahatsız etmekten her zaman korkuyorum(korktum), çünkü yeni girdiğin işin, gün içindeki zamanını değiştirdi...Neyse ayrıca bu demek oluyor ki bütün gün ve gece seni düşÃ¼nüyorum...Sadece ne zaman sana "iyi geceler öpücüğü"mü gönderebilirim diye?. Tamam, o zaman sana 1440 tane öpücük yolluyorum, çünkü günün her dakikası için bu yeterli.Seni her şeyden çok seviyorum,(Çilek yemekten bile daha çok Çileği ve BENİ unutma!



Thread: e t t please

1448.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 07:07 pm

Quoting stephie:

hello babe how are you? i went to the hairdressers today. i am not working in the shop tonight.i am at home.how is everything?

thanks in advance x x x



Merhaba bebek nasılsın? Bugün kuaföre gittim. Bu gece dükkanda çalışmayacağım. Evdeyim. Her şey nasıl gidiyor?



Thread: help please

1449.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 May 2007 Tue 07:05 pm

Quoting Raven:

Selam,
It has been a long time since I have had to read,write or speak turkish, so I am abit confused on a couple of words. Is it tesekkur or teşekkürler, nasılsınız or nasilsinn?

tesekkür ederım = Thank you
sen = you
nasılsınn = how are you
ıdaRE = manage
EDIOM = I can not find a translation for this word...

my only other question is how would I say "excuse my turkish, I haven't spoken it in years"

Thank you for the help...



Here i think "idare ediyorum" is an answer to the question "nasılsın" and here it means"not bad, just fine" or something like that.

excuse my turkish, i haven't spoken it in years->Türkçem için affedersiniz, yıllardır konuşmadım.



Thread: e/t please

1450.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 May 2007 Sat 04:12 pm

Quoting ahalliwell:

i am so sorry i wasn't able to come back online , i got just slightly carried away with some studies i have to do,
if you are here later today or tomorrow i would like to talk with you then , but for now i must go out.

hope the rest of your day goes well.
take care for now .


ty to anyone that will do this one for me



Özür dilerim, çevrimiçi olamadım, yapmam gereken bazı çalışmalarla anca biraz uğraştım,
eğer daha sonra bugün veya yarın burada olursan, o zaman seninle konuşmak isterim, ancak şimdi dışarı çıkmalıyım.

Umarım geri kalan günün iyi geçer.
Kendine iyi bak, şimdilik.



Thread: Turkish to English... Again. I know!

1451.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 May 2007 Sat 04:04 pm

Quoting alspeece:

Hey if you can translate this I would appricate it. I realize that it probably isin't something nice, but I can't understand it at all! Thanks:

kucuk emrah bakisi super hocam... billiiyooooorrmuusssunnnnn



Glance like küçük emrah is wonderful(super)my friend...do you know?



Thread: englis to trkis translation please

1452.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 May 2007 Fri 08:16 pm

Quoting bexy26:

anain i am so sorry about today i meant to call you but it was impossible to get away. i had my fist day in my new job today. i spent the whole dy in an induction meeting with my new boss i had no chance of getting to the bank tody love or calling you angain i am very sorry.



ananin bugün için çok üzgünüm, seni aramak istedim ama kurtulmak imkansızdı. Bugün yeni işimde ilk günümdü. Bütün günü yeni patronumla görevlendirme toplantısında geçirdim, aşkım bankaya gitme şansım veya seni tekrar arama şansım hiç yoktu bugün, çok özür dilerim.



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1453.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2007 Wed 12:24 am

Quoting aslı:

LTC you are against of everything ı guess.



is LCT from Çarşı?lol



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1454.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2007 Wed 12:21 am

Quoting erdinc:

Here are some pictures from İzmir rally.
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/modules/gallery/070512izmirmiting/



Brilliant pictures!!! Thanks erdinc



Thread: For the Fans of FENERBAHÇE-Champions of 2006-07 season of Turkcell Super League

1455.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2007 Wed 12:19 am

Today Women's Basketball team of Fenerbahçe became Champions...

This year
1-Champions in Football
2-Champions and cup winner in Women Basketball
3-Champions in swimming
4-Champions in Boxing
5-Champions in Table-Tennis
6-2nd place in Women's Volleyball
7-3rd place in Men's Volleyball
8-most possibly will be finalist in Men's Basketball

and so on(I cant remember anymore)



Thread: PLEASE help eng to turkish

1456.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2007 Wed 12:12 am

Quoting britturk:

Yes julie is my friend but I cant be responsible for her actions , Whatever has happened to brian is between them to sort out. As far as Im aware Julie reported Brian to the police last June when she claimed he had assaulted her in her home.. ..Its something that happened nearly a year ago . Julie apparantly told Brian last year that she had informed the police of the incident.. I will not be blamed for this I cannot be responsible for what other people do. ..



Evet Julie benim arkadaşım ancak onun hareketlerinden ben sorumlu olamam, Brian'a her ne olduysa, o onların arasında halletmesi gereken bir şey. Bildiğim kadarıyla geçen haziran,Brian Julie'ye onun evinde saldırdığında Julie Brain'ı polise rapor etti...Yaklaşık bir yıl önce olan bir olay. Anlaşılan Julie Brian'a geçen yıl olan olaylarla ilgili polisi bilgilendirdiğini anlattı. Bundan dolayı ben suçlanamam, diğer insanların yaptıklarından sorumlu tutulmamalıyım.



Thread: turk to english please help

1457.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 May 2007 Wed 12:03 am

Quoting tommysbar:

merhaba inankon toryok tu hasan siz 2 cocukla cok zor bende bikyim ali turkiye problemi var darlafelen kaybetme nederse yap 3 5 senebisey yapmaz boslu ben hep arkan dayim arkadas olarak ayseni ve senin resimini gonder bende sana gonderim varsa fotograf makinesi varsa gonder okulda laz oluyo ayseyi optum xxx



Hello, believe me i have no credit, hasan with 2 childs its so hard(difficult), im also got bored, Ali has a problem about Türkiye, dont lose darla, do what he/she says, he/she wont do anything for 3-5 years, dont mind, im always behind of you as a friend of yours,send me the photos of you and Ayşe,ill also send you if u have got camera, laz(??) happens at school, i kiss Ayşe xxx



Thread: translation help

1458.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 11:56 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

I am very anxious because i didnt understand everything in your last message please reply quickly ..just tell me whats going on please



Çok endişeliyim çünkü son mesajından hiç bir şey anlamadım, lütfen çabuk cevap ver...Lütfen sadece neler oluyor anlat bana.



Thread: eng to turk lutfen

1459.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 11:54 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

please my friend put your trust in me i will not tell anyone but please tell me what is going on what is Alis problem???



Lütfen arkadaşım bana güven, kimseye anlatmayacağım ancak lütfen söyle neler oluyor, Ali'nin problemi nedir???



Thread: What are you listening now?

1460.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 06:38 pm

Rosey-Love



Thread: Thank you for help with translation

1461.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 06:34 pm

You'r welcome kafesteki kus



Thread: What are you listening now?

1462.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 06:16 pm

Dolly Song
çok iyi yaaa
and utube version
Holly Dolly-Dolly song(leva's Polka)



Thread: turkish translation thank you in advance

1463.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 06:11 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

tks


I need a lot of money to start this business.->Bu işe başlamak için çok paraya ihtiyacım var.

I know a lot of factories here.->Burada bir çok fabrika biliyorum.

He is my customer, and we have a good relationship.->O benim müşterim, ve bizim iyi bir ilişkimiz var.

i agree with you, but you should know more about the history.->Sana katılıyorum, ama tarih hakkında daha çok şey bilmelisin.

Now Ankara is the capital, but a lot of turkish people still consider Istanbul as the capital.->Şimdi Ankara başkent, ancak bir çok Türk hala İstanbul'un başkent olduğunu düşÃ¼nüyor.

I like this style, but don't like the music.->Bu tarzdan hoşlanmıyorum, ama müzikten hoşlanmıyorum.



Thread: Thank you for help with translation

1464.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 06:06 pm

"Bir süredir temas kuramadığımız için üzgünüm. Umarım sınavların iyi geçiyordur ve hayatla barışıksındır. Eminim her şey yoluna girecek, sadece buna inanmalısın. Senden haberler bekliyorum, gülümsemeyi hatırla(unutma)..."


Quoting kafesteki kus:

Hi all irreplaceable translators.Can u help me with this below this time,please?Thank you so much in advance
'Sorry for not keeping in touch for a while.I hope your exams are going well and life reconciles.Everything will be OK for sure,you must only believe in it.
waiting for news from you,remember to smile....'



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1465.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 02:39 am

Quoting kaddersokak:

yes How happy to say I am a Turk
by the way no to EU and USA: and democracy)



Ne güzel



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1466.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 02:30 am

Quoting kaddersokak:


yes no need to read Prof. Ozdolga and Yayla, because we Turks know all the bestI think there is also no need to have universities in Turkey because they produced critical minds which we do not need in Turkey



You are again bastardizing the subject, where i said universities are needless, i only criticize Elisabeth Özdalga, dont you have tolarence to the opposite thoughts as you mentioned and talking about democracy? Are you uncomfortable of these thoughts?Besides many of the professors in Türkiye think opposite of the Elisabeth Özdalga.



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1467.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 01:14 am

Quoting qdemir:

If the republic is being defended by a certain person who gave a rose to the head of the terrorist in the past, and by another certain person who sang songs in front of the photo of the same murderer of babies last March (The same person sang in İzmir today and refused to hold the Turkish flag that had been handed by a woman.), I refuse to defend such a republic as the republic that I defend is totally unlike theirs and their interior and exterior like-minded defenders'.



I agree with you but people are supporting the Republic there not him, it is not a rally of a party or anyone else. also i think there is no difference between him and our Prime Minister when you look at the declarations, what do you think? Do you vote for him like our PM? Can he also be a PM of Turkish Republic? huh??



Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1468.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 May 2007 Tue 12:49 am

Quoting kaddersokak:

Why such an over-abundance of flags?



No need to read anymore, Elisabeth Özdalga who is one of the person uncomfortable with Turkish flag. Although she takes her salary from the Turkish Republic, she is one of the supporters of Prof.Yayla who insulted to Kemal Atatürk. See how democratic Turkish Republic is, i think Turkish Republic exaggarated democratism.I wonder what she thinks about the french(or any country) law that forbids to say there is no Armenian holocaust. i want one article from her about this subject if it is democratic or not or one article about headscarf which was forbidden by England, France, Netherlands and the Human Rights Supreme Court of Europe if it is democratic or not. I wonder what she thinks about Iraq as a sociology professor. Besides i wonder what she thinks about TESEV supported by George Soros that blamed Turkish Army about the events of Şemdinli(look at the infos below about the bombing of Umut Bookstore in Şemdinli). She is one of the fanatic supporters of Fetullah Gülen Cemaat about moderate Islam(in other words evangelist muslims, as everyone can see from the source of newspaper Zaman),a religion mixture of Christianism and Islam as a plan of US and EU who are trying to weaken Turkish army by slanders.

Bombing of Umut Bookstore in Şemdinli made by PKK;

Last minute statement come up to the 9th Criminal Office of Supreme Court of Appeals. PKK terrorist Arif Kaçım who was caught by Iran and given back to the Turkish forces said bombing of Umut Bookstore was performed by PKK terrorists code named “Cudi” and “Amed”. His evidence reached to the court today.
In his statement he declared the terrosists code named “Cudi” and “Amed” were given action of bombing of Umut Bookstore and he added “We will perform the bombing and it will be declared to the press that bombing was performed by soldiers of Gendarme Intelligence Headquarters of Turkish Army”

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/6445120.asp?gid=180



Thread: For the Fans of FENERBAHÇE-Champions of 2006-07 season of Turkcell Super League

1469.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 May 2007 Mon 06:20 pm


60000 fans watched the match and celebrated the Championship in İzmir the castle of Fenerbahçe. There was also Republic Meeting on the same day and Fenerbahçe became Champion on mother's day. What a meaningful Championship!!!
FENERBAHÇE

Congratulations FENERBAHÇE!!!!

Championship Clip

100th year anniversary Clip

Bağdat Street After Championship

Championship Celebrations of Players in Dressing Room



Thread: Someone please check my motherday message

1470.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 01:21 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting armegon:

Rica ederim Deli_kız



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Thread: Someone please check my motherday message

1471.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 01:15 am

Rica ederim Deli_kız



Thread: Someone please check my motherday message

1472.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 01:11 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Kan sıcaksa, kendi ailenin kanı gibi akıyor.


i dont understand what you mean to say by this sentence, others are ok...
Also "ellerinizden öperim" instead of "öpüldünüz" is better i think




I meant to say: When blood is warm, it flows like blood from the own family (in other words: when one has a warm heart, you can easily see him or her as family).

And she doesnt like kissing from the hands.. thats why i choose that But still thanks


Maybe you can say "size kanım çok ısındığı için sizi artık kendi ailem gibi görüyorum"
your translation is correct but a little weird in turkish.



Thread: Someone please check my motherday message

1473.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 01:04 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Kan sıcaksa, kendi ailenin kanı gibi akıyor.


i dont understand what you mean to say by this sentence, others are ok...
Also "ellerinizden öperim" instead of "çok öpüldünüz" is better i think



Thread: Eng./Turk.

1474.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 12:11 am

Quoting yvette:

Can someone please help me translate....

Thank you so much for wishing me a Happy Mother's Day. I hope you and Ataman have been doing good. Hopefully next year I will be congratulating you on Mother's Day! Remember that I love you verymuch, thank you for always being a true friend! Call me at my home please, I am dying to hear from you!



Teşekkürler bana mutlu bir anneler günü dilediğin için. Umarım sen ve Ataman için her şey yolundadır. Umarım gelecek yıl Anneler gününde ben sizi kutluyor olacağım!Seni çok sevdiğimi hatırlamanı isterim, her zaman doğru bir arkadaş olduğun için teşekkürler! Lütfen beni evden arayın, sesinizi duymak için ölüyorum!



Thread: opinions about eurovision 2007

1475.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 May 2007 Sun 12:04 am

i like the songs of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Georgia, Macedonia,Serbia, Finland and Moldova



Thread: e t t please

1476.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 11:34 pm

Quoting stephie:

thanks aemegon i must have changed it as you were translating. thanks faruk for new translation x x x



yes you changed it while i went to take a drink



Thread: e t t please

1477.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 11:21 pm

Quoting stephie:

my grandmother is much better today but still in hospital. thank u for aking about her.enjoy all your time with your mum babe. i love u more than u no one day we will be togther all the time.


thanks in advance x x x



Merhaba bebek ben iyiyim. Şimdi evdeyim. Anneannem bugün daha iyi ama hala hastanede. Onu düşÃ¼ndüğün için teşekkürler. Annenle iyi vakit geçir, onu göreceğin için çok heyecanlıydın, biliyorum. Mutluyum çünkü sana sahibim, seni bildiğinden daha çok seviyorum.



Thread: englidh to turkish please

1478.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 11:16 pm

Quoting joanna06:

you are insulting and hurting people's feeling by telling the truth. You don't say things like that even if true.

thanks in advance



Hakaret ediyorsun ve doğruyu söyleyerek insanların duygularını incitiyorsun. Doğru olsalar bile böyle şeyler söylememelisin.



Thread: English to Turkish translation help

1479.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 11:13 pm

Quoting Ezra:

Need this to be translated to Turkish...

Are you opening the shop there? It's ok I understand, at least you let me know, it's good enough. I hope I'll get to talk to you soon. Thinking of you always.

Thanks in advance



Orada dükkan mı açıyorsun?Tamam anladım, en azından beni bilgilendirdin, yeteri kadar iyi. Umarım yakında seninle konuşabilirim. Her zaman seni düşÃ¼nüyorum.



Thread: english to turkish please - thanks in advance

1480.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 12:22 am

Quoting turkey_bird:

(name) told me that you have a job on a cruise boat in (name). I just want you to know that I am very pleased for you (name), because I know that you like sailing on the sea and I wish you lots of happiness. Maybe I will not visit (name) again, but I want you to know that I am still always your friend here, and I hope that you will not forget me ok? look after yourself (name)

kindest regards

from



(name) bana (name) isminde bir yolcu gemisinde çalıştığını söyledi. Sadece senin için çok memnun olduğumu bilmeni istedim(name), çünkü senin denizde yolculuk etmeyi sevdiğini biliyorum ve sana mutluluklar dilerim. Belki ben tekrar (name)ziyaret edemeyebilirim, ama bilmeni isterim ki ben burada her zaman senin arkadaşınım, ve umarım beni unutmayacaksın, tamam mı? Kendine iyi bak

Saygılarımla
...den/dan



Thread: ENGLISH TO TURKISH PLZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

1481.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 May 2007 Sat 12:14 am

Quoting sam1:

you dont have to do anything for when we come im just very happy to meet you all.aleyna is dancing to music and joshua is sat down playing.im on computer.i will bring my camera when we come as i want to take lots of photos of us all to show everyone.love........



Geldiğimiz için bir şey yapmanıza gerek yok, ben sadece hepinizle buluşacak olmaktan mutluyum. Aleyna müzikle dans ediyor ve joshua oturmuş oynuyor. ben bilgisayar başındayım. Geldiğimizde kameramı getireceğim, herkese göstermek için hepimizin bir sürü fotoğrafını çekmek istiyorum.Sevgilerle....



Thread: E2T,please

1482.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 11:48 pm

Bi şey değil



Thread: eng-trk lutfen

1483.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 11:44 pm

Quoting smile:

hi baby, how was your day? today i am happy because i bought a really nice dress! it is for my leavers ball....a time when all the girls in my school dress up all pretty for the last time we will see each other together....i wish you could come hehe but maybe i will show you later hehe....what have you done today?....i miss you so much askim x x x x



Merhaba bebek, günün nasıldı? bugün ben mutluyum çünkü çok hoş bir elbise aldım!benim mezuniyet balosu(leavers ball??) için...Okuldaki bütün kızların güzel bir şekilde giyinip birbirimizi son kez gördüğümüz zaman...seninde gelebilmeni dilerdim hehe fakat belki sana sonra gösteririm hehe...ne yaptın bugün?...seni çok özlüyorum aşkım x x x x



Thread: E2T,please

1484.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 11:38 pm

Quoting kafesteki kus:

Hi again,
can you translate this sentence to turkish,please
In order to talk there are 2 people needed,you still aren't able to get rid of your fear..

Thank you



"Konuşmak için(amacıyla) 2 insan gerekli, sen hala korkularından sıyrılamamışsın(kurtulamamışsın)"



Thread: translation urgently required please eng to turk

1485.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 07:22 pm

Quoting britturk:

Hi my friend how are you how is life there??? You havent replied lately Im assuming you have got no credit ... I hope you dont mind me texting you. Life here is really hard I cannot understand why Serkan is being so hard with me..I feel that someone else may have influenced him on his decision to leave me .Do you think I am right???..because the man I love and married would have ever done this to me. I could understand if I had done something wrong..but I havent I have loved him and cared for him and just dont think I deserve this ...Yes we had a few arguments but doesnt every man and wife????Im so sad months have passed but it doesnt get any easier . I also worry about Serkan..What can I do my friend can you make any sense out of this?????


Merhaba arkadaşım, nasılsın, orada hayat nasıl?Son zamanlarda cevap vermedim sanıyorum kontörün yok...Umarım sana mesaj yazmama alınmıyorsun. Hayat burada gerçekten zor, Serkan'ın neden bana karşı bu kadar sert olduğunu anlamıyorum...Başka birinin benden ayrılma kararını etkilemiş olabileceğini hissediyorum. Sence doğru mu düşÃ¼nüyorum?...çünkü sevdiğim ve evlendiğim adam asla bana böyle bir şey yapmazdı.Eğer yanlış bir şey yapmışsam bunu anlayabilirim...fakat yapmadım, onu sevdim ve ona değer(önem) verdim ve sadece bunu haketmediğimi düşÃ¼nüyorum... Evet birkaç tartışmamız oldu ancak her karı kocanın olmaz mı????Çok üzgünüm, aylar geçti ama hiç bir şey kolyalaşmadı. Serkan hakkında da endişeleniyorum..Ne yapabilirim arkadaşım, bu olanlar sana bir anlam ifade edibilir mi?



Thread: TURKISH TO ENGLISH PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

1486.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 07:10 pm

Quoting sam1:

slm sam.ben iyiyim,biz burda hazirlik yapiyorz size.gelmenizi sabirsizlikla bekliyorz,mutluyuz.iki cocuga birden bakacan kendini yorma yengem.aleynayi,seni optm



Hello sam. im fine, we are doing preparations for you here. We are waiting for you impatiently, we are happy. youll look after two child, dont make yourself tired my sister-in-law.i kiss aleyna and you.



Thread: Luften,help

1487.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 May 2007 Fri 07:07 pm

Quoting kafesteki kus:

in turkish you say
BIR HATA YAPTIM-I made a mistake
how it will be "I made a lot of mistakes"and "I still make a lot of mistakes?"

tesekkur



i made a lot of mistakes->Birçok hatalar yaptım.



Thread: telephone number look up in Istanbul

1488.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 06:21 pm

try
www.ttrehber.gov.tr



Thread: can someone translate to english pls?

1489.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 01:25 am

Quoting turkangel:

Bir aile buyugunun ismi

thanks so much..



Name of a older person in the family



Thread: TRANSLATION LUTFEN

1490.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 01:12 am

Quoting lauraacorah:

You say nobody cares for you but For months I have have had sleepless nights.. worrying about you..I love you unconditionally..if only you could see this.



Kimsenin senin için tasalanmadığını söylüyorsun fakat ben aylardır uykusuz geceler geçiriyorum...senin için endişelenerek...Seni koşulsuz seviyorum...Keşke bunu görebilsen.



Thread: Please urgent translation

1491.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 01:08 am

Quoting Loveprague:

Hi,
Can somebody translate this for me please many thanks in advance

Dear Gunsel,
Happy birthday dear for yesterday, best wishes please take care Rich xxx



Sevgili Günsel,
Geçmiş doğum günün kutlu olsun, en iyi dileklerimle, kendine iyi bak Rich xxx



Thread: please translation e 2 t

1492.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 01:05 am

Quoting kali20:

thank you so much)...many kisses for your help,I know it's difficult and unfortunatly it's not all text...can I dare to ask you to help to finish this translation?...I own you everything



You are welcome , is it urgent?if not, pm me and ill translate and send it to you, tomorrow night...



Thread: english-turkce lutfen can you!!!

1493.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 12:52 am

Quoting melnceyhun:

maybe this year will be the last time i will see you till you come back from the army.
i was wondering what month you go, because i might be able to see you before, you do go, thats if your going next year.



Belki bu yıl seni, sen askerden dönünceye kadar, son görüşÃ¼m olacak. Hangi ay gittiğini bilmek istiyorum, çünkü eğer gelecek yıl gidiyorsan, gitmeden önce seni görmeye gelebilirim.



Thread: please translation e 2 t

1494.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 May 2007 Thu 12:47 am

My attempt;its a hard and also a technical text so i may have some mistakes .

Önceden belirtildiği gibi, hava yanmasının ön-ısıtması genelde avantajlıdır, fakat gerekli değildir, normal dizayn edilmiş ocak geometrisi gibi en olası yanmayı sağlamak amacıyla yakıt özelliklerine göre adapte edilmiştir. Yüksek erime noktasına sahip yanma odasındaki alev şekli ve başlı başına ısı salıvermesi eğer uygun ebatsal kriterler izlenir ve sıcak gaz akışının çıkışı işlemin aşağı akış talepleriyle buluşursa nihai sonuç için baskın bir rol oynamaz.

Sıcak gaz jeneratörlerindeki yanma, yakıt giriş hızı(çark gibi dönen ocaklardan çok daha düşÃ¼k), hava yanma mertebesi oranı ve fırın ısı derecesinin kontrolü(çark gibi dönen ocaklar için imkansızdır) ile kontrol edilir. Sıcak gaz jeneratörleri, fırın çeperlerindeki erimiş kül birikimini minimize etmek için, tipik olarak dik versiyonda dizayn edilen toz haline gelmiş yakıt ile ateşlenir.


Quoting kali20:

I know it's a difficult translation but it's very important for my job....please help me..I really apreciate your efforts...thank you so much
'Preheating of combustion air in general is advantageous,as mentioned before,but not necessary,as furnace geometry by designer normally is adapted to fuel properties in order to achieve best possible bornout.Flame shape and invidual heat release in a refactory-lined combustion chamber does not play a dominant role for the final result,if appropriate dimensional criteria are followed and the exiting hot gas flow meets the demands of the downstreams process.
Combustion in a hot gas generator is controlled by fuel input velocity(much lower than in rotary kilns),combustion air staging ratio and by control of furnace temperature(which is impossible in rotary kilns).Hot gas generators fired with pulverised fuels typically are designed as vertical version in order to minimise molten ash deposits at furnace walls.'



Thread: hi everyone

1495.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2007 Wed 10:21 pm

Quoting yildiz:



can someone translate this for me in turkish?...i would appreciate it very much and thanks in advance...have a nice day evryone

i need you
like water, like breath, like rain(sana su gibi, nefes gibi, yağmur gibi ihtiyacım var)
i need you
like mercy from heaven's gate(Cennet kapısından rahmet gibi sana ihtiyacım var)

i can see it in your eyes and it carries me through
i need you....(Onu senin gözlerinde görebiliyorum ve bu beni sana ihtiyacım olduğu fikrine getiriyor)





Thread: A little homeworkk checking!

1496.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 May 2007 Wed 10:16 pm

Quoting libralady:


3) Yolcular durakta otobüs bekliyorlar.->Travellers are waiting for the bus at the bus stop
The travellers are waiting at the bus stop.->Yolcular otobüs durağında bekliyorlar.



Thread: translation

1497.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 May 2007 Tue 08:35 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

tks


Well done!->Tebrikler!(Aferin)

You did a good job!->İyi iş becerdin

ladies and gentlemen, thanks for comimg->Bayanlar ve Baylar, geldiğiniz için teşekkürler.

EVET FENERBAHCE ZENCI SEVER ANLADINIZ SIZ ONU KANIMCA(t to e)->Yes Fenerbahçe likes negro football player, i think u understand that(but i think Beşiktaş like more than Fenerbahçe, remember Pascal Nouma )

Thank you again!





Thread: translation lutfen

1498.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 May 2007 Tue 08:14 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:


As each night passes, more tears fall from my eyes. Pain sears through my chest. My heart is crying out for you but you dont come..only you can take my pain away



Her geçen gece, daha çok gözyaşı dökülüyor gözümden. Acı bağrımı dağlıyor. Kalbim senin için ağlıyor ama sen gelmedin...sadece sen acımı dindirebilirsin.



Thread: Game-put the words into an order to make proverbs:

1499.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 May 2007 Tue 08:07 pm

ısırgan-olmaz-ile-taharet



Thread: Game-put the words into an order to make proverbs:

1500.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 May 2007 Tue 08:06 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Internet helped me to find the correct order, but the meaning? Every word has so many meanings I saw in the dictionary.... I don't have a clue.

tek kanatlı kuş uçmaz



One-winged bird doesn’t fly
Explanation:Some jobs cannot be achieved without help and some equipments so these are essentially needed to accomplish.



Thread: eng to tur

1501.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2007 Mon 09:20 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

hello, pls help me to translate it, thank you so much!


it is impossible for me to do it for you



Onu senin için yapmam imkansız.



Thread: Pls correct my translation

1502.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2007 Mon 07:16 pm

Quoting ninja:

"I feel sad because I don't know how to help you."

Can I translate the above as:
"hazin hissetiyorum cunku nasil yardim etmek bilmiyorum"



Kendimi üzgün hissediyorum çünkü sana nasıl yardım edeceğimi bilmiyorum.



Thread: eng 2 turk

1503.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2007 Mon 07:13 pm

Rica ederim...



Thread: eng 2 turk

1504.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2007 Mon 07:04 pm

Quoting klaudiasylwia:

could anybosy translate it:
I am angry with you when you are working long hours, I am angry more when time is gone and my travel is still only dream, hopefuly comes true. i don't have idea what to do to be right now in there, not here



Uzun saatler boyunca çalışmandan dolayı sana kızgınım, zaman geçtikçe daha da kızgın oluyorum ve yolculuğum hala sadece rüya, umarım gerçekleşir. Şu anda burada değilde orada olabilmek için ne yapmam gerektiği hakkında fikrim yok



Thread: tr-eng, pls...

1505.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 May 2007 Mon 06:56 pm

Quoting hipnotic:

hersey sevgikadar mahsun degil?



everything is not as sad as love.
but im not sure about the word "mahsun" and "mahzun" are different...also can be "masum" then put the word "innocent " instead of "sad"...



Thread: ENG - TURK lutfen!

1506.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 04:27 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

My mum is still devestated about my grandma, but what can we do. she will be ok hopefully. everyone else is ok. how is my mother over there in turkey? and the rest of your family? everything with me is fine except im becoming stressed because of exams and because we are speaking less, but i understand we are both busy these days.



Annem, büyükannem için hala kendini harap ediyor, fakat biz ne yapabiliriz. Umarım iyi olacaktır. Diğer herkes iyi. Orada Türkiye'de annen nasıl? ve ailen nasıl? Sınavlarımdan dolayı stres olmam dışında çünkü az konuşuyoruz benim için her şey yolunda fakat anlıyorum her ikimizde bu günlerde meşgulüz.



Thread: T->E

1507.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 04:19 pm

Quoting parisisbeautifu:

1. Sözü iki Cince karakterden oluşuyor

2. çinlilerin birini selamlarken resmi ya da teklifsiz bir şekilde kullandıkları sözdür. Yaşlılara, tanımadığınız kişilere veya bir kimseye saygı göstermek için

3. sözüyle selam verilir

4. sözünden

5. karakterinin Türkçe karşılığı siz demektir

Many thanks!!



1-The word ?? is formed by two chinese characters.
2-the word ?? is used when chinese people greet eachother formally or informally. To show respect to the old people or the people you dont know.
3-The word ?? is used for greeting
4-from the word
5-the character ?? means in turkish "you(plural)".



Thread: tr-eng

1508.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 04:13 pm

Quoting ambertje:

bana her şeyi anlat bana hayatını anlat eksiksiz bilmek istiyorum seni seviyorum sevdeğim kişi eskiden neler yaşamıs bilmek istiyorum

thank you very much in advance!



Tell me everything, tell me your life complete, i want to know, i love you, i want to know what my love experienced in her life in the past.



Thread: english to turkish

1509.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 04:10 pm

Thanks for your corrections mltm



Thread: Turkish Lyrics Translation

1510.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 04:02 pm

My try;

Quoting Peace:


I would like to know the lyrics to this song. I hope someone can help. Thanks!!!!

GECE GÜNEŞİM DÜŞÃœNMEDEN SÖNDÜN->You went down without thinking, my sun of night
KALBİMİ SERİNLETTİN->You cooled my heart
BU DEFA BOYUN EĞDİM->This time i submitted
HANGİ GÜVERCİN ATLAMIŞ Ã‡ATIDAN->Which pigeon had jumped through roof
YADA HANGİ BALIK DENİZE->Or which fish to the sea
HESAP YAPIP AKILLICA->Figuring out wisely
BİLE BİLE SEN BİR KAHRAMAN->Knowingly you are a hero
BEN BİR HİKAYE->I am a story
SESSİZ FİLM GİBİ Ã‡ARESİZ SUSTUM->I kept quiet helpless like silent movie
BUGÜN PAMUK KALBİNDEN TAŞINIYORUM->Today i am moving from your cotton heart
MASAL DİYARLARA GÖÇ EDİP YENİLİYORUM->I am losing and migrating to the places of fairy tale
HER GÖZ YAŞI SANA HER HATIRA BANA->Every tear to you, every memory to me
İNANAMIYORUM SENSİZ KALDIM YİNE->I can’t believe, i became without you again
KALAN ATEŞİM DÜŞÃœNMEDEN SÖNDÜN->Rest of my fire, you died down without thinking
KALBİMİ SERİNLETTİN
BU DEFA BOYUN EĞDİM
HANGİ GÜVERCİN ATLAMIŞ Ã‡ATIDAN
YADA HANGİ BALIK DENİZE
HESAP YAPIP AKILLICA
BİLE BİLE SEN BİR KAHRAMAN
BEN BİR HİKAYE
SESSİZ FİLM GİBİ Ã‡ARESİZ SUSTUM
BUGÜN PAMUK KALBİNDEN TAŞINIYORUM
MASAL DİYARLARA GÖÇ EDİP YENİLİYORUM
HER GÖZ YAŞI SANA HER HATIRA BANA
İNANAMIYORUM SENSİZ KALDIM YİNE
BİLE BİLE SEN BİR GÜNAHKAR
BENSE BİR GÜNAH OLMADIK YİNE



Thread: Gül retreated?

1511.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 03:54 pm

Quoting oeince:

both parlaiment and presidency elections will be done in 22nd of july.so president will be selected by public not by the parliement.



There will be parliament elections on 22nd of july. They need to make a new change of constitution to select president by public and they will do that but i think President Ahmet Necdet Sezer wont approve of this change and most possibly there will be referendum and parliament elections on 22nd of July.



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1512.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 May 2007 Sun 12:40 am

Quoting mltm:


Yes, it's a bit personal but let me make it clear. My mother did not convert to İslam because there was no need. My father used to practise it when he was a young man, I don't know since how many years, but he does not believe in religions. I don't know about my mother, she says she is a christian, but I doubt whether she is. As for me, I used to be everything in my mind, because no one forced me to be something, but also I was raised in such a religion free family that I did not dare to be a muslim, and I always thought they would see me less intelligent or they would get worried about me.
Now it has been months that I'm very far away from my family and
I am in the beginner stage of being a muslim, I call myself a muslim.



I appreciate you mltm, inşallah be happy rest of your life. I think you are such open-minded and brave person.



Thread: English to Turkish translation please (and hello!)

1513.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 11:53 pm

Rica ederim...



Thread: Sezen Aksu - Firuze

1514.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 11:52 pm

You are welcome harikayım, enjoy music



Thread: English to Turkish translation please (and hello!)

1515.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 11:38 pm

Quoting Daveb:

Hi, this is my first post here after finding this great site!
This is going to really help me learn Turkish, thanks.

Also, please could I get an E - T translation of this please?


'Hi baby, if you want to meet up, even for 10 minutes later, please let me know. You sounded a little sad on the phone earlier and I just want to know if you are ok? Even if you just want a big hug. Miss you'



'Merhaba bebek, eğer buluşmak istiyorsan, 10 dakika sonra için bile olsa, lütfen bana söyle(bilmemi sağla). Önceki telefon konuşmamızda sesin biraz üzgün geliyordu ve sadece iyi olup olmadığını bilmek istedim?Hatta eğer sadece büyük bir sarılma istiyorsan da. Seni özledim.



Thread: english to turkish

1516.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 11:31 pm

Quoting loripie:

I know you didn't approve of me in the past and I really don't know how you feel now,but we do have one thing in common and that is we both love Serdar. And right now he is in a bad place and he needs our support. I feel lost not having a way to communicate with him now. You are the closest to him, you know him better than anyone else does. If I have to be cut off from him for awhile just as you do too , then couldn't we at least keep in touch , for his sake? I need you right now. I love Serdar and everything about him so I love you too because without you there would be no him. My family loves Serdar and my mother is over there near him also in that bad place so that is another thing we have in common. Please give me a chance.



Biliyorum, sen geçmişte beni onaylamıyordun ve şimdi nasıl hissettiğini gerçekten bilmiyorum, fakat ortak bir duygumuz(şeyimiz) var, o da ikimiz de Serdar'ı seviyoruz. Ve şu anda o kötü bir yerde(durumda) ve desteğimize ihtiyacı var. Sen ona en yakın kişisin, onu herkesten iyi tanıyorsun. Bir süredir onunla iletişimi kesmek zorunda kaldım aynen senin gibi, sonra seninle en azından onun hatırı için teması sürdüremezmiydik? Şu anda sana ihtiyacım var. Serdar'ı ve onunla ilgili herşeyi seviyorum, yani seni de seviyorum çünkü sensiz orada onun için kötü olacaktı(im not sure about the sentence in italic, i couldnt understand well). Ailem Serdar'ı seviyor ve annem de orada o kötü yerde onun yanında böylece başka bir ortak noktamız var. Lütfen bana bir şans ver.



Thread: Sezen Aksu - Firuze

1517.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 02:04 am

There is also rapidshare link, you can download the song; http://rapidshare.com/files/29525413/Sezen_Aksu-Firuze.MP3.html



Thread: TURKISH TO ENGLISH PLEASE

1518.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:29 am

You are welcome kate4358...



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1519.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:25 am

Quoting aslı:

Armegon if your guys would find out what you are defending here, they wont like it at all. Remember the photo, the guy you are suggesting for being president and most democratic around country, sitting on his knees, next to some sheikh. They are accepting a students lessons, why you are not?



Exactly Aslı!!



Thread: TURKISH TO ENGLISH PLEASE

1520.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:23 am

Quoting kate4358:

Iyi geceler askim nasalsin? Bugun benim için sade bir gün oldu senin özleminle dolu her günün her gecem ama sen yaninda olmasanda kalbimdesin askim.



Good night my love, how are you? Today has become a simple day for me, all my day and night is full of your longing but if you also not near me, you are in my heart my love.



Thread: eng-tr please...

1521.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:17 am

Quoting hipnotic:

I miss for my beautifull, sweet, the best on whole world mouth..



Bütün dünyanın dilindeki güzelimi, tatlımı, en iyimi özlüyorum.



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1522.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:14 am

What happened here? this thread gone out of topic



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1523.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 May 2007 Sat 01:08 am

Quoting kaddersokak:

If u beleive in Allah, then why do you hate people who study Islam? are you smarter than a renown professor (Hayreddin Karaman)? Why do wee need teachers to understand maths and not just read the math book? are mat teachers telling us lies/ and what about christinaity? do you think the Christians should not listen their priests either? please tell us because you seem to know Islam better than prof. karaman



Religion is not under anybody’s monopoly. Religion belongs to Allah.Why do you need to compare Islam with Christianity?.In Islam there is no clergy, religion is between God and the believer, don’t you know?(ahh i forgot you are the new evangelist muslims). Allah says Kur’an is clearly explained, can be undestood well. Then why ask a student when you can learn from The Teacher? There are also some scholars throughout the history, and some say Kur’an is incomplete, some think women are sex captives etc do you think they do not study Islam? Why do i need to believe in Hayrettin Karaman, does he know better than Allah? I have my mind moreover when people far away from Kur’an, there always exist seyhs, şıhs to exploit religion and people’s beliefs.



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1524.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 05:17 am

Quoting kaddersokak:


I am sure u know better than Hayrettin Karaman Give Allah some advice too.


I believe in Allah, not Hayrettin Karaman. You go and kiss Hayrettin Karaman’s hand(or your moderate Islam leader), maybe he can give some advices to you or who knows may be he can put you into the heaven



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1525.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 01:25 am

Quoting azade:

That's not completely true because the Qur'an says that you should respect and obey your parents so a man shouldn't marry someone that his parents oppose to.


Then man who marry without permission of his parents, doing something wrong, so man should also take permission



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1526.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 01:14 am

Quoting mltm:

Quoting armegon:


Kur'an is a book on justice, if men can do something, also women can do it..



I think the justice is not the same in Kur'an as we have created it in our society. The duties of woman and man are not always same in the book. While a woman needs the permission of a father or an uncle etc to marry the man that she wishes, a man doesn't need a permission.



You are right here



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1527.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 01:12 am

Quoting mltm:



Yes, it's said that there's not any "ayet" that clearly bans the woman to marry non muslim man, but there're ayets about man marrying woman, and it's said that on such an important matter if a woman was allowed to marry a non muslim man, there should have been an ayet about it. And in some ayets there're some points that we can come to this conclusion. This page explains better(again in turkish):http://www.geocities.com/IslamPencereleri/gayrimuslimevlilik.htm
Hadiths are not Kouran laws ofcourse, but isn't it weird that we can come to a conclusion that a muslim woman can marry a non muslim man whereas there's not any ayet about it while there's a detailed ayet about man marrying non muslim woman.



Check over on 2/221 that verse addresses both women and men



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1528.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:33 am

Quoting mltm:

Look, I'm not a muslim that really practises the religion, but I have muslim friends,a friend whose father is imam, and other good practising muslim friends, and I referred to them and they all told me that a muslim woman is not allowed to marry a muslim man, and even if it's more accepted for a muslim man to marry a monotheist woman, a muslim woman is strongly preferred. Here it's explained (in turkish)http://www.hayrettinkaraman.net/sc/00100.htm



But its source is hadiths not the Kur'an i think, Kur'an is a book on justice, if men can do something, also women can do it...Others are humans interpretation...Allah does not say something like that, do you think Allah forgot something in Kur'an whereas Allah says Kur'an is fully detailed. And that hadiths contradict with Kur'an, so we must believe in Allah not Hayrettin Karaman...



Thread: english to turkish please

1529.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:16 am

Quoting lilchels1990:

hi i trust you but i need to know if over the year if you have been kissing other girls. i want the truth please because i love you too much

thanks in advance xx



Merhaba, sana güveniyorum fakat yıllardır başka kızları öpüp öpmediğini bilmem gerek. Lütfen gerçeği istiyorum çünkü seni çok seviyorum.



Thread: 2 words please?

1530.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:14 am

Quoting mltm:

Not "senin" but just "eşin" or "karın", you can use either.



You are right mltm, i translated word by word



Thread: selam herkese Lutfen from T-E

1531.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:12 am

Quoting Nisreen:

BEN ZATEN SEN OLMADAN DA KORKARDIM KORKULLARIMDAN NE GEREK VARDI SANA NE GEREK VARDI YOKLUUNA.....


tesekkurler


my try;
I am already frightened without you too,why you were needed because of my fears to your absence



Thread: 2 words please?

1532.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:07 am

Quoting MelatyaGirl:

How do you say "your wife" as if you were signing a letter?



Senin eşin(karın)



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1533.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 May 2007 Fri 12:03 am

Quoting mltm:


You cannot say that there're no laws, if we're talking about the laws in the Kuran, yes, there's such a law that a muslim girl is only allowed to marry a muslim man, but it's up to you to respect this rule or not.



As far as i know, there is not a verse like that mltm, i think its source is hadiths. If you know there is a verse in Kur'an like this, can you please share it to us?



Thread: Small one please

1534.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 06:18 pm

Rica ederim...



Thread: Buddhist marry Muslim

1535.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 06:05 pm

If you believe in one God ,you do not set up partners with God and do good deeds(then you are also muslim ), then you can marry a muslim(if he is the same), that is what Kur’an says…This is the condition. In Kur’an Allah only forbids to marry with Idolworshippers and the people who set up partners with Allah. Only Allah knows what is in heart, who is faithful.



Thread: Small one please

1536.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 06:00 pm

Quoting MelatyaGirl:

I called you last night at work. I asked for you but I did not understand what the soldier said! Don't worry. All is ok here."

Thanks

(I changed this incase the previous message was a little complicated?)



Seni dün gece işten aradım. Seni sordum ama askerin ne dediğini anlamadım! Endişelenme. Burada her şey yolunda.



Thread: turk - eng please!

1537.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 05:57 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

"bizi eskiler tanır, yeniler ornek alir, tanımayanlar ise ibret alır"



Old ones know us, new ones imitate, ones who dont know us,take lesson.



Thread: Thank you^-^

1538.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 05:55 pm

Quoting rainny:

Please help me to tanslate this sentence to Turkish.
"Hold your hands tightly forever and never give up"

Thank you so much^-^



"Ellerini sıkıca tut sonsuza kadar ve asla bırakma"



Thread: Can someone translate this English to Turkish for me?

1539.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 12:52 am

You are welcome susan324us, and thanks for your wishes



Thread: ENGLISH TO TURKISH PLZ

1540.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 12:17 am

bi şey değil



Thread: Please help me!

1541.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 12:11 am

Quoting Netzen:

1 - Tek Sevdiğimdin -

I translated ıt as -

1 - You were the only one I loved

Am I rıght * Çok Tessekürler!



You are right Netzen



Thread: ENGLISH TO TURKISH PLZ

1542.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 May 2007 Thu 12:07 am

Quoting sam1:

i am going turkey 9th june



9 haziranda Türkiye'ye gidiyorum.



Thread: sorry another translation lutfen

1543.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 11:54 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:

my heart is full of love for you..Im so in love with you..these last few months have made me realise just how much I love you and how much you mean to me . Since you left I have felt like half of me has died



Kalbim sana olan aşkımla dolu...Sana çok aşığım...Bu son birkaç ay seni sadece ne kadar çok sevdiğimi ve benim için senin ne demek olduğunu anlamamı sağladı. Gittiğinden beri, sanki bir yarım ölmüş gibi hissediyorum.



Thread: translation lutfen

1544.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 11:50 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:

I am so upset over this I love you so much why cant you see that you are letting go of a family? Its breaking my heart you are my first love we have shared so many experiences together. You are everything to me . I cant imagine not holding you in my arms, kissing you and making love to you again. I want you so much when Im near you i feel content. Nobody can fix my broken heart only you. I miss you you will always be my one and only love! I would do anything for you I adore you. Im terrified and frightened of divorce I cant think of life without you..please reply to this message



Bunun üzerine çok üzüldüm, seni çok seviyorum neden bir aileyi bırakıp gittiğini göremiyorsun? Bu kalbimi kırıyor, sen benim ilk aşkımsın, birçok deneyimi beraber paylaştık. Sen benim için her şeysin. Seni kollarımda tutamamayı, öpememeyi, ve seninle yeniden aşk yapamamayı hayal edemiyorum. Seni çok istiyorum, sana yakınken, kendimi memnun(hoşnut) hissediyorum. Kimse kırık kalbimi tamir edemez senin dışında(sadece sen). Seni özlüyorum, her zaman bir tanem ve tek aşkım olacaksın! Senin için ne gerekiyorsa yapabilirim, sana tapıyorum. Boşanmaktan korkuyorum ve dehşete düşÃ¼yorum. Sensiz bir hayat düşÃ¼nemiyorum...Lütfen bu mesaja cevap ver



Thread: Can someone translate this English to Turkish for me?

1545.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 10:15 pm

Quoting susan324us:

Dear Süleyman,

Again, thank you so much for your kindness, patience and hospitality last week. You truly made our visit to Turkey a memorable one.

I have learned more about the Turkish language since our visit. For example, I now know that there are six characters that English doesn’t have: ğ,ü,ş,i,ö, and ç. Luckily, all the letters are pronounced without variation, unlike English. That is helpful. And, of course, I have the eight words and phrases you have given to me. Thoses pharses allow me to communitcate with people I love (Seni seviyorum) who are sneezing (Cok Yasa) on a sunny day (güneş parlıyor). I think I need to improve my fluency.

Thank you also for the pictures and videos. Since you and I met on a treadmill, I’m sending you a link to my favorite treadmill video (link). Also, since, at the dinner we saw Turkish and Latin dances performed by Russians, I send you a link to my favorite American dancing video (a style from the 1930’s & 40’s called “Lindy”) performed in Korea. (link)

Again, thank you for all you have done from me. Your students must think you are the most wonderful, caring teacher!

Your friend,
Susan



Sevgili Süleyman,

Tekrardan geçen haftaki nazikliğin, sabrın ve misafirpeverliğin için teşekkürler. Hakikaten bizim Türkiye’yi ziyaretimizin unutulmaz bir anı olmasını sağladın.

Türkçe hakkında ziyaretimizden beri çok şey öğrendim. Mesela, şimdi biliyorum ki İngilizce’de olmayan:ğ,ü,ş,ı,ö ve ç gibi karakterler var. Çok şÃ¼kür ki bu harfler İngilizce’nin tersine değişikliğe uğramadan telaffuz ediliyor. Bu çok yardımcı oluyor. Ve tabii ki, senin bana verdiğin sekiz harf ve tabirler de var. O tabirler benim insanlarla iletişim kurmamı sağladı, Seni seviyorum, çok yaşa, güneşli bir gün gibi. Sanırım akıcı olmayı geliştirmem gerekiyor.

Ayrıca videolar ve resimler için de teşekkürler. Seninle ben koşu bandında buluştuğumuz için, sana benim favori koşu bandı videosunu(link) yolluyorum. Ayrıca, akşam yemeğinde Ruslar tarafından sergilenen Türk ve Latin danslarını gördüğümüz için, Kore’de sergilenen benim favori Amerikan dans videosunu(1930 ve 40’lardan “Lindy” diye adlandırılan bir stil) yolluyorum.(link)

Benim için yaptığın her şey için bir kere daha teşekkürler. Öğrencilerin senin en harika, en yardımsever(sempatik) öğretmen olduğunu düşÃ¼nüyor olmalı.
Arkadaşın,
Susan



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1546.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:47 am

Quoting mltm:


Even themselves are confused. Within their party there is not a unity I think. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan comes from a party that is really islamic and before he had very radical ideas like changing the state completely to an islamic state, but later he established his own party and gained the sempathy of the people using both religion (not in a radical way) and also giving promises to make Turkey enter in the european union. It was a very big promise since the people believed everything would get better, especially economically.He might also have understood that only with the support of european union and US, he could get to power. And one of their biggest enemy is the army which is really secular and does not let any religious party rule the country. And the EU and the USA do not want the turkish army be so powerful. Maybe, the EU is only tactics for T. Erdoğan because years ago in his speeches he had said 'he would use every possible way in order to accomplish their dreams (islamic dreams)' , he had also said, 'democracy was just a tool for them to be successful' and with the help of EU, they can get to every possible high position. He also later said he had changed his old ideas, and he became a conservatrive democratic.
I think now he is being used by US in the plans of making the middle east a union of moderate islamic states. And the real secular democrats cannot trust Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, because it is not clear what he wants to do.



Exactly, what a wonderful summary!! Their aim is to weaken Turkish Army. Puppets of USA and EU…obedient AKP…

To see how muslim(new term moderate and democratic muslim, her nasılsa) they are and how they use religion for obtaining political advantages, a few examples are enough;

1-They say “we will solve the problem of turban(headscarf)”, on the other hand although they have the majority of the Parliament, they had no attempt to solve, they only talk(exploitation continues)
2-He says “I am the Imam of İstanbul”, on the other hand he says “if needed i can also wear priest cloth for my party”(maşallah we have got priest Imam at last)
3- He says “I am at the side of parliament to open with prays”, on the other hand he said he would pray for the hero american soldiers(surprisingly(!!) he forgot people of Iraq)

And so on…



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1547.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 04:43 pm

First of all i am sorry for my English because i tried to translate quickly .

Portrait and some Declarations of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan through 1994-2006

*The time when he was the Major of İstanbul;

“Elhamdülillah we are the supporters of Sheria”(21.11.1994 Milliyet)
“I am against the celebration of New year”(19.12.1994 Sabah)
“I didnt go to dervish lodge(tekke), i went to dergah”(22.11.1997 Gözcü)
“No need to stand like a stake when showing respect to Atatürk” (12.5.1994 Hürriyet)
“Every 10th of November people make useless fuss”(14.11.1994 Hürriyet)
“Alcohol should be banned”(1.5.1996 Hürriyet)
“We will change İstanbul into Medina”(Akis)
“All the schools in Türkiye will be changed into İmam Hatip(school for raising İmams) schools”(17.9.1994 Cumhuriyet)
“The colour of green(the colour of sidewalk) is civilisation”(25.6.1994)
“Only Imams should marry people officially”(9.5.1995 Milliyet)
“I am at the side of to open TBMM(Parliament) with prays”(When he was the major of İstanbul, every year opening of municipality council made by prays instead of Independence March. And again after an opening of the council, he gave this declaration)(8.1.1996 Milliyet)
“I am the Imam of İstanbul”(8.1.1995 Hürriyet)
“Advertisement of swimsuit is a exploitation of lust”(6.3.1996 Hürriyet)
“National lottery is a cruelty”(29.9.1994 Hürriyet)
“ President of Republic soon will be from İmam-Hatip.These days are so close”(5.2.1996 Akit)
“There is no need of Kemalizm or a regime similar to Kemalizm in the future of country”
“Mosques are our barracks, minarets are our bayonets, mümins(believer) are our soldiers”
“Democracy is not a aim, only a vehicle for us. We are affilied to democracy until we reach our aims”
“Democracy is a tram for us. When we came to stopping place we want, we will get off”

*He was speeching to the public at meeting.

“A cow is sitting on the middle of our way, closing our way, blocking us to reach our range. We will remove that cow from our way at first with words gently, then we will remove somehow by the help of you” (Here cow means Secular Republic and Revolutions of Atatürk.)

*Again at a meeting
“Turkey should be divided into states. And some authority of central governance should be given to these states. And Majors should be the most authorized person. And at that regions everykind of education should also be under control of them”(is the same expressions of dividers like PKK)

“You can’t be secular and muslim both. You must choose to be a muslim or to be a secular. It is impossible, both of them can not be together”
“Our reference is İslam. Our only goal is Islamic State”
“If you say “Ne mutlu Türküm Diyene” others have right to say “Ne mutlu kürdüm ””(a reminder from the declaration of Turkish Military “Who is against the conception of Atatürk’s motto “Ne mutlu Türküm Diyene”, are the enemies of Turkish Republic(27.4.2007) )
“1.5 billion of world of Islam are waiting impatiently to stand up of our muslim people. We will stand up and this rebellion will start”

The date of wedding invitation of his son “29 Zilkade 1421”(using Arabic takvim)

*After he became PM

“I am marketing Turkiye. For us given money is important. We market and sell everything, who give money, can take every worth of Turkiye”
“They insist to say secularism is going to be removed, of course can be removed if the people want”
“Women can sit where they want, it is none of your business”( Said to a journalist at a meeting of AKP in Kars asking why women and men sitting apart (at different places))
“The salary given to me is too low(not enough), how much salary do you take”(said to the PM of Germany)
“There is a identity problem in Türkiye. And the concept of “Turk” should be commented as a sub-identity. Anyone who wants then can say “I am a Turk””
“People who are walking with the alleged flags of PKK are wrong but low flight of F-16s of Turkish Army is also wrong, both are wrong”(He equals PKK with Turkish Army)

“We will be taken out of Cyprus likewise how Syria is taken out of Lebonan, they say “ leave out of Cyprus and we will do it like a sheep” ”

“It is impossible for one person to say i am both muslim and secular”
“Did you drink too much? Your mouth smells alcohol”(said to the ambassodor of Austria)
“Stop and listen!...Stop and listen!...9 months 10 days!”(said to a citizen at his speech)
“Look here! Do you think this nation need to work for you all the time”(said to the farmers in Erzurum)
“Is this your job to give a judgement about turban?, This is the job of ulema. What ulema says, it is right”( said to the Human rights court of Europe)

“Who are you? Ulema can give judgement about turban”(said to Danıştay(state coucil court). A few weeks after this declaration, a radical terrorist attacked to the judges of Danıştay who gave judgement about turban and killed one of them, injured others”

“Don’t shake your hand and arm! Every part of your body shaking!”(said to member of parliament)

“Ulan terbiyesizlik yapma! Artistlik yapma ulan! Hadi ananı da al git buradan”(said to a farmer in Mersin, its a rude expression so translation is difficult)

After hundreds of placement hadn’t approved by President of Republic, he decided to execute these places by proxies and said(target is President of Republic):
“We don’t do anything contrary to law, there is a rule like this in Sheria law.”

“What can(will) i talk to that woman?”(said to mother of a martyr)
“Military service is not a place to lay down and rest”( said to the relatives of martyr)

“Call that impostor, What does he want?”( said to a citizen in Germany whose money stolen by green capital…Also at the same meeting he made the ambassador of Turkish Republic booed by people.)

He abased YOK president Prof. Dr. Erdoğan Teziç by saying he is not celever in an argo way.

“I am guaranty to him, i trust him like my father, i believe in him as how i believe in me”
(said at Parliament(TBMM), he became guaranty to Yasin El-Kadı, Then who is Yasin El-Kadı?His name is listed as a sponsor of El-kaide by United Nations)

When PKK ceased fire:
“And then we don’t do military operations” (He is making jest to PKK)


He abased the former president of Turkish Republic of North Cyprus Rauf Denktaş.

“They are shouting as they are in a football match, these are not nice things”( said to the people who were shouting “Türkiye is secular, will remain secular”)

At AKP General Congress:
. Şerefsizler(dishonests)
. Bizim çocuklar açmı kalsın be!
. Kes ulan sesini(Shut up)
. Sana üç nokta koyarım
. Otur ulan oturduğun yerde, herşeye burnunu sokma

*And the others:
Before the elections of 2002 and after he just became PM

“I changed developing myself”

In the 4th year of his government:
“I never changed. Islamic opinions never change”

Lastly his oath against to Republic in 1980’s;
“I am affilied to Muhammed and muslim ummah. Türkiye has become a irreligous, secular state. I make oath(swear) on my religion, Allah and every holy things that i will devote myself to make a war against irreligous secular state of Mustafa Kemal, i will prevent all the irreligous laws of Mustafa Kemal to be performed and i will try to form a state of Sheria” Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

When we look at his some declarations through this 12 year when he was a major of İstanbul and when he is now PM;

All can see that he is loyal to his oath in 1980’s and working and trying hardly to perform his oath today. One who can’t or don’t want to see these actions, maybe those are blind or anything else.


“ President of Republic soon will be from İmam-Hatip. These days are so close”(5.2.1996 Akit)




Which civil society organization has attened to the meeting at Çağlayan and which are not;

Attended: CHP, DSP, MHP, ANAP, DYP, GP, SHP, İP, BBP, HP, DİSK, TÜRK-İŞ, KESK, BAROLAR, ODALAR etc.

Not attended: AKP, SP, DEHAP, TKP, ÖDP, EMEP.

Also there will be a new meeting on 13th of May in İzmir Gündoğdu.


p.s: Who says economy is good, is also wrong. They took Türkiye with 220 billion dollars debt. And now the debt is 480 billion dollars. It is a record in whole history of Republic. Although they sold every worthies and big companies (Türk Telekom, Tüpraş, Erdemir, Seka, and so many KİTs), where has these moneys gone?. Let me remind some bid defraudations(60 big bid defraudations files are awaiting.) which are given to their partners to make them powerful. Türkiye’s ecomony stands up on hot money at stock exchange that belongs 70 % of foreign investors who make money with speculations not make any investments.. And how can one think that when the barrel cost of petroleum increases and then inflation decreases? Can one call this is an healthy economy?



Thread: t to e lutfen

1548.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:52 pm

Quoting aiça:

armegon, you are way too fast for me! but it seems I got it right then.



Yeah right aiça, your translation is also good and right...



Thread: t to e lutfen

1549.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:40 pm

Quoting jode:

bende seni cok seviyorum bebek senden ayri kalmak istemiyorum. sen yanimdayken ben cok mutluyum sen gidiyorsun ben yine yalniz bu sorunlari birlikte asacaz bebek bana inan.

thanks in advance x x



i love you so much too baby, i do not want to be away from you. Im very happy when you are besides me, and you go agaim im lonely, we will pass over these problems together, believe me..



Thread: e to t plz

1550.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:31 pm

Quoting sooz:

hey babe, how you feeling? do you think we will see eachother when i come to marmaris? why are you in hospital babe? i cant stop thinking about you, i want to be with you. i love you so much it hurts.

thanks in advance.

ps does anyone know how far izmir hospital is from marmaris? xxxxxxxxx



Hey Bebek, Kendini nasıl hissediyorsun? Marmaris'e geldiğimde birbirimizi göreceğimizi düşÃ¼nüyormusun? Neden hastenedesin bebeğim? Seni düşÃ¼nmekten kendimi alamıyorum, seninle beraber olmak istiyorum. Seni çok seviyorum ve bu incitiyor.



Thread: Turk - eng please?

1551.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:28 pm

People in TC ,I translate this via pm



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1552.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:24 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:



So if you care about Turkiye this wonderful country then u should respect the thoughts,laws of Kemal Ataturk who is the founder of Turkish Republic that we are living... in...Just as other people respect their countries leaders...

Sağlıcakla Kal!!



First,please dont tell me how to love Türkiye,thats my business

Second,review all my posts in here or other threads,where have i said i dont respect Atatürk ?

İ said Türkiye is great because its Türkiye
İ said you had a great Osmanlı Sultanlar too,even their history is includes in our history too.

But you dont accept and ask me to read history ! amazing !

İf all Sultan were bad ,can you tell me how did you become an Empire ?!



If u criticize the first 4 laws then i will say these...Because these laws are the laws of Ataturk since 1923 so if u say these laws are useless then i say u should not respect Ataturk. Where i said all sultans are bad, im proud of Ottoman Empire...
Anyway dont upset eacother anymore...
HoşÃ§akal!!



Thread: eng - turk plz

1553.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:17 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

My last exam finishes on 23rd may, i will rarely be online until then because i need to study alot.



Son sınavım 23 Mayıs'ta bitiyor, bundan sonra nadiren çevrimiçi olacağım çünkü çok çalışmam lazım.



Thread: t t e please x

1554.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:15 pm

Quoting jode:

her konuda sana birakiyorum bebek.


thanks in advance x x x



Baby you are free in all subjects, you decide...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1555.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 11:12 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

"Turkey has a special stiuation or a condition" is another discourse to justify the undemocratic acts in Turkey. That means Turkey has a special stiuation so in Turkey we can not have full democracy, Turkey is a modern country but army should be more powerfull than government.

Yes, Turkey is a special case because we do not have a real democracy but we say we are a modern country. If we want to be a modern country in European standarts, representatives selected by people, not armed forces, should govern Turkey.

if we do not trust civil goverments, turkey will continue to be a special case.



I do not say anything like that the army should be powerful than government...I said army's duty is to protect first 4 laws of Constitution...Dont basterdize the subject...Dont you want Kemal Ataturk?the thoughts of Kemal Ataturk? In world the right of women of to elect and being elected given by Turkish Republic first...Dont you want these 4 laws then nothing can be talked with you...You can also change the name of country and the flag or anything...huh?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1556.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:52 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:


there is nothing undemocratic issue here...U can not think Turkiye as your country or any other country else in the world...Turkiye's situation is very different, Turkiye is in a very important region and has lots of enemies so always should has a powerfull army...



We are in a very difficult stiuation too,we have lots of enemies too,and we should have a powerful army too,but we also have some choices ,and not forced by our army!



Good, i dont know which country you are from, but do not compare Turkiye with your country or any other country, all has its special situations...

Sağlıcakla Kal!!



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1557.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:41 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:


Thats democratic for Turkiye, thats simple for too too...If people choose to change of the 4 laws, then we will see what happen...You do not know anything about Turkish people...We see many democratic country in the world how their democracy is...



You dont know if i know Turkish people or not,so dont judge me.

İ love your country,we have long history together.
There is a positive criticism,and a negative criticism.

İ dont care for many countries in the world,but i care for Türkiye because she has a place in my heart,and thats different.

When i criticize something i do it because i want the best for her,not because i attack her.

So there is no need fot taugh tone.

İm not into argument no more,because that is what it is all about !

Kendine iyi bak !



So if you care about Turkiye this wonderful country then u should respect the thoughts,laws of Kemal Ataturk who is the founder of Turkish Republic that we are living... in...Just as other people respect their countries leaders...

Sağlıcakla Kal!!



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1558.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:34 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

"but people (Turks) want honour not money"

then why on the earth do hundred of thousands Turkish people apply for American green card lottery or why do hundreds of people wait in front of the emabssies to get a visa to Europe?



How do u know?Do u work for American embassy?You say thousands then hunreds... And also i see nothing wrong about that...People sure want money but first honour...If u only want money then okey...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1559.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:30 pm

Quoting ruthless87:

Quoting kaddersokak:

a powerfull country had three things:

a powerful economy
a powerful democracy
a powerful army

our enemies are not greeks, americans, arabs, or europeans, the real enemy is the enemy inside that is who are against economic and democratic stability and who supports military intervention in politics...

now all the people make fun of us because in our country government is warned by armed forces which is supposed to be under civilian control...


If it is ok for army to take control whenever it wants then why do we have elections, we can just live in a Totaliterian regime like and ban elections and generals can rule the country. All that money for elections will not be wasted at least



You go and read my other comments, then write here...I know your aim and what you have written about Ataturk...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1560.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:21 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

a powerfull country had three things:

a powerful economy
a powerful democracy
a powerful army

our enemies are not greeks, americans, arabs, or europeans, the real enemy is the enemy inside that is who are against economic and democratic stability and who supports military intervention in politics...

now all the people make fun of us because in our country government is warned by armed forces which is supposed to be under civilian control...



So you think like that look at weapons of PKK where they made from...Do People make fun of us at the time of Kemal Ataturk?You are right we have also enemies inside, read "Gençliğe Hitabe" and decide who they are..Okeyto?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1561.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:12 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting kaddersokak:



our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.



This is a powerful statement and I have read on another thread that someone stated that Turkey has lots of enemies. What is it about your enemies? Who are they? As far as I am aware Turkey has many allies. It concerns me that you are saying because you have a powerful army you do not care about democracy. A powerful army is not the answer to democracy, as has been stated in another related thread.



Thats not a powerful statement, that is the fault of politicians after the time of Kemal Ataturk...Our economy cannot be good, but people want honour not money u cannot understand this. In Turkiye Turks are being abased. Also our democracy is fine. Our enemies are imperialist countries who try to divide Turkiye's unity like in independence war...I want both democracy and powerful army maybe u undersyood wrong?



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1562.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:00 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:



As i mentioned before this is army's duty which party attempts to change or attack the first 4 laws of Constitution, they will always do their duty, thats simple...



Thats not Democratic..thats simple too.

Ok what if people,want to change any of the 4 laws of Constitution,which i dont know what are they exactly.

But if people choose to change them,Turkish poeple ,will the army attack them too because its his duty ?

Army duty to defend people and the country,not to defend laws.


Thats democratic for Turkiye, thats simple for too too...If people choose to change of the 4 laws, then we will see what happen...You do not know anything about Turkish people...We see many democratic country in the world how their democracy is...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1563.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:53 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:



Hahaha you dont know Turkish history, do u know what happened in independence war?



Not really,do you care to tell me what happened ?



Please check other leaders what they said about Ataturk. Here we are talking about Kemal Ataturk the great leader of Turkiye so if u love Turkiye and talk about Turkiye, you should know something about Kemal Ataturk and respect him and his country...i cannot tell u longly about turkish history, u can find lots of documents on net, if u have some problems to understand then u can ask me why a pm or mail...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1564.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:47 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

We still see Ataturk the only real turkish hero. he has blond hair and blue eyes. This is taught us in schools. all the foreign countries are our enemies. this is taught us in schools too. Ataturk passed away in 1938 but we visit his mosaleum and talk to him as if he is alive. Ataturk said the only real friends of Turks are Turks (not Americans, Europeans, or Arabs). Ataturk lived between 1881 and 1938. has anything changed in the world since 1938?

our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.



So you stayed at primary school and do not need to search and learn the revolutions of Atatürk, you can only describe phisically...So many things changed till 1938 but enemies of Turkiye still remain, there are always lessons to take from history... why are we learning history?Is history a story u listen when you are sleeping?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1565.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:25 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:



If there is not a leader like Kemal Ataturk then there is not a country called Turkish Republic today...



armegon, you shouldn't really say that

Türkiye was there and is there and will be there by her sons
Türkiye was a very strong country,it was an Empire,and that was before Kemal Ataturk.

İt was greater than USA these days,and was standing face to face to the Roman Empire,and the whole West.

And that was by its men .

So Türkiye is rich by her men,you really shouldnt say that.

One man no matter how great he was wont make Türkiye.

Türkiye already great,and that what make EU afraid of her



Hahaha you dont know Turkish history, do u know what happened in independence war?



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1566.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:19 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:


Army has a oath to Kemal Ataturk QUOTE]
Army oath should be to the country,and to people, not to a leadership no matter how great he was !



Army has oath to both CANLI, are u satisfied?



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1567.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:18 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:


In Turkiye it is necessary because there are always some people who try to deceive people with religion and then Türkiye will become a İslamic republic like Iran...



And Turkish people dont know their own interest and they let people lead them ??!!!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhh Comeeeeee onnnnnnn, do you really believe that ?!!!!

İm not Turkish,but i do NOT believe it,Turkish people are very much smarter than that.



People and Turkish Army believe in that so they warned the government...Do you think these people are not smart or dont know anything?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1568.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:13 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

turkish people are not ungrateful...OK?



Ungratful ?!!!

İts your LİFE !

Ok,i gave up ,world is a lovely place to live in



If there is not a leader like Kemal Ataturk then there is not a country called Turkish Republic today...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1569.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:11 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:


Army is also under civilian control in Turkiye until they attempt to change the unchangable laws...Turkiye is a secular democratic republic...



İ accept if that is your opinion and your choice,but at least dont fool yourself and call it democratic.

Democratic nation is ALWAYS under civilian control,and army duty is protect her from outsider threats.

Even the insider is the police duty not the army.

So dont tell me its democratic.


there is nothing undemocratic issue here...U can not think Turkiye as your country or any other country else in the world...Turkiye's situation is very different, Turkiye is in a very important region and has lots of enemies so always should has a powerfull army...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1570.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:05 pm

Quoting azade:

Democracy means rule of the people, by the people and for the people. Only the majority rule and chose the representatives they believe will lead their country in the direction they (the people) wish.
The army may be defending secularism at all cost, but it is not necessarily democratic.


In Turkiye it is necessary because there are always some people who try to deceive people with religion and then Türkiye will become a İslamic republic like Iran, Army has a oath to Kemal Ataturk to block this situation, do not think Turkiye like other European countries, Turkiye is in a very important region...



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1571.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:58 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:



unchangable laws QUOTE]

OMG, İs it Qu'ran, or Bible ?!!!


It is the laws of Kemal Ataturk, the founder of Turkish Republic and turkish people are not ungrateful...OK?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1572.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:47 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

my personal opinion is democracy forever. Turkey is not a third world country so army should be under the civilian control that is the government elected by Turkish people. only in third world countries those who contol means of violence control government.



Army is also under civilian control in Turkiye until they attempt to change the unchangable laws...Turkiye is a secular democratic republic...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1573.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:45 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Trudy:


Lapinkulta, I do NOT think Turkey is not democratic. But I never have dealt with army in my life here, so I just wonder what it is in Turkey. That's all.



İ'm sorry Trudy,but forcing an opinion by the force of army,or anything else is NOT and will NOT be ever democratic !


we do not want a democracy like USA's democracy in Iraq like dividing people in groups...



Thread: t t e please x

1574.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:41 pm

Quoting jode:

sen nasil istersen tekne turuna cikariz neyi uygun goruyorsun onuyap. seni cok seviyorum bebek.


thanks in advance



As you wish we will take yacht(boat) tour or what is suitable for you we will do that.I love you so much baby.



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1575.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:34 pm

kaddersokak why dont you write your opinions here instead of copying an essay here?

What an expressian "Turkish civilians condemn military declaration"...
person who has written this i think dont want to see the people in Çağlayan, Tandoğan or all over the country...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1576.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:26 pm

Quoting CANLI:

So,.......... is the reason that the army is taking over,and throwing what people want to the sea by saying ''take care,im watching you dont pick what i dont like or else...!''

Ok,what is the reason ?



As i mentioned before this is army's duty which party attempts to change or attack the first 4 laws of Constitution, they will always do their duty, thats simple...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1577.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:23 pm

Quoting azade:

Are you saying that elections are fixed?

I think it would be a great idea to make a poll and see how many percent of the population support the armys right to intervene at any time they wish to.



I am talking about the elections of president of Republic not the president which now Gül is the nominee..



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1578.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:18 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting armegon:

Come Turkiye and see...People welcomes you...



Great Armegon, will you wave at me in 34 days?



Actually i couldnt understand well what u mean by "will you wave at me in 34 days?"
But i reply "Sure Trudy!!"



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1579.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 08:08 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Well Lapinkulta, you know how much i love Türkiye,it shows in all what i post here.
İ've heard lots of stories about how Authority treat women wearing Hijab in Türkiye, even they said they hit them,but i didnt believe it.
İf Turkish man respect women in generaly that much as i know when he treat his mother,sister,and wives too, so its not logic they hit women for wearing Hijab.

But when defending the army for forcing his opinion upon people,and attacking the government for trying to give people their choices, that made me think,is what i heard true ?!

Would i be threatened because what i wear there ?!

Anladın mı ?



There is nothing like that men do not hit women for wearing Hijab in Türkiye where you heard this, is wrong, misinformation. Besides stories you heard is wrong. You would not be threatened also..
Come Turkiye and see...People welcomes you...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1580.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:56 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Good to see you back Lapinkulta .

You know armegon,im Muslim,wearing Hijab,and i want to visit Türkiye,and when i read things like what you say i think ,Ohh My God, what would do they with me when i go to Türkiye !



Do not worry about that CANLI, my mother also cover her hair, this will cause no proble...Here problem is using religion as a political sign and deceiving ppl with religion is the problem now in Türkiye...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1581.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:47 pm

Quoting Lapinkulta:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting Trudy:

What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?

And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves?



Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election.



I think zaman is one of the objective newspaper in Turkey.Nobody can change constitutional laws of Turkey which were done by Ataturk...AKP is on the right way but others are against to democrasy cos these goverment were chosen by public and have to show respect.so next election is already soon,and I think AKp will get more again...it is coz of todays protesters.






Really? Yeah Zaman is the voice of AKP very objective... U think like that, remember the look of AKP to democracy, they say "Democracy is not aim, is only a vehicle"...How democratic we see...When u see only one party selected president of Republic in Republic history? We will see when the elections came, we know who is who...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1582.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:40 pm

Quoting azade:

Ok thank you, do you have a link? I have searched for the article but there are like a zillion hits for it and several newspapers named something with "Times"



Not at the moment, but if u search the archives of Posta maybe u can find, today it was in peoples hand at the meeting today as a fotocopy of newspaper headline...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1583.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:31 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting azade:

From what I understand, Gül has a good reputation outside Turkey (they don't portray him as religious). Even though I know he is, he doesn't come off as religious in the things he say. So why are people against him running for president?



Yes, we know all european countries and usa love these government...What a surprise, huh? Please learn his declarations against secular Republic first...



Europe is pounding on Turkey to be kept as secular as possible. If you could tell me about how Gül should be religious to the extent that he threathens secularism in Turkey I would appreciate it, because he has never come off as extreme in his beliefs to me.



i will give one example, i think that will be enough but if u want to learn more, search by yourself , u can find many declarations like this in 90's
"Secular Republic has come to an end" in Times in 1995 and also became a headline on newspaper Posta...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1584.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:17 pm

Besides in Turkiye president of Republic always selected by compromising till today, only one party insist to select others leave the TBMM...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1585.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:08 pm

Quoting azade:

From what I understand, Gül has a good reputation outside Turkey (they don't portray him as religious). Even though I know he is, he doesn't come off as religious in the things he say. So why are people against him running for president?



Yes, we know all european countries and usa love these government...What a surprise, huh? Please learn his declarations against secular Republic first...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1586.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:02 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhh,i see it has been asked in another way,and hasn't been answered !

Well, is it Democratic then ?

Shouldn't army be only observer of what people want,not to take part to any side ?!



Yes it is, Turkish Army’s duty is to protect the first 4 unchangeable laws of constitution of Turkish Republic and this duty is given army by laws. If some attacks and worries to these 4 laws is taken place just as today, they absolutely do their duty, these 4 laws are the basis of Republic and today millions of people had meeting against these attacks in Çağlayan/İstanbul.



Excuse me,but i dont understand.

Army's duty is to protect the country againist its enemies

İs it army's duty to stand againist the governmet which has been chosen by people ?

Doesn't that mean the army is standing againist people ?

Then what,or who does the army protect ?!!!



Excuse me, in Turkey it has also additional duties...Besides these government took %30 vote but represented %70 in TBMM because of false election ssytem.



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1587.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:58 pm

Quoting Trudy:

What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?

And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves?



Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election.



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1588.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:47 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhh,i see it has been asked in another way,and hasn't been answered !

Well, is it Democratic then ?

Shouldn't army be only observer of what people want,not to take part to any side ?!



Yes it is, Turkish Army’s duty is to protect the first 4 unchangeable laws of constitution of Turkish Republic and this duty is given army by laws. If some attacks and worries to these 4 laws is taken place just as today, they absolutely do their duty, these 4 laws are the basis of Republic and today millions of people had meeting against these attacks in Çağlayan/İstanbul.



Thread: Tunceli

1589.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:09 pm

Quoting ruthless87:

he told me to get lost because i somehow without using the word Ataturk said something bad at Ataturk. I didn't joke and there were no uprisings in 1938. it was earlier i think.



Then who was the president of Republic of Türkiye in 1938?Answer this... What were those then if it was not a rebellion? Who killed and exiled that people?Where did these events take place? Answer...
i do not say u made a joke, i said 'are you a joke?', read well first...



Thread: Engl-turk tran slat plsssss....

1590.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 05:55 pm

Quoting patziko:

Can anyone help with this translation pls?
Baby, when you feel that you can't take it anymore just think how much I love you

When you have doubts and you think your life isn't going anywhere and all you are doing has no meaning,let your heart call my name, you know my heart will answer you back

When you feel lonely, empty, angry or sad just think about those eyes you love so much and how your smile can make them shine

When we fight, it isn't because we don't understand each other but because we need to become one thing only..breath, heart, soul, mind, body.
Baby, remember you belong to me and I belong to you.

Like this will be forever my darling, my husband, my life, my only one, my everything. I adore you and I am dying without you. Come to me as soon as you can sweetheart.


Thanks very much for the translation xxx


Bebek,artık onu alamayacağını hissediyorsan, sadece seni ne kadar sevdiğimi düşÃ¼n.
Tereddütlerin varsa(olduğunda) ve hayatının herhangi bir yere gitmediğini düşÃ¼nüyorsan(düşÃ¼ndüğünde) ve her yaptığın anlamsızsa, bırak kalbin benim ismimi çağırsın, biliyorsun kalbim sana cevap verecektir.
Kendini yalnız, boş, kızgın veya üzgün hissettiğinde, seni çok seven o gözleri düşÃ¼n ve senin gülümseyişinin onları nasıl ışıldattığını.
Kavga ettiğimiz zaman, bu birbirimizi anlayamamamızdan değil fakat tek bir şey (birlik) olamamız gerektiğindendir...nefes, kalb, ruh,akıl ve vücut olarak.
Bebek, hatırla sen bana aitsin ve ben de sana.
Bu böyle sonsuza kadar olacak(sürecek) sevgilim, kocam, hayatım, bir tanem, her şeyim. Sana tapıyorum(çok seviyorum) ve sensiz ölüyorum. Yapabileceğin en yakın zamanda bana gel canım(sevgilim).



Thread: Word order

1591.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 11:16 pm

Quoting kitt_61:

Quoting Faruk:

Yes you can write it by different orders.

Sevgilim, dükkana gitmeliyim *
Dükkana gitmeliyim sevgilim
Sevgiliyim gitmeliyim dükkana


Amazing, but I actually have a doubt in the las sentence, why "sevgilim" in first and second one and "sevgiliYim" in the last one?
Thanks a lot.


i think last sentence should be keyboard mistake so it is also "sevgilim"



Thread: tr-eng

1592.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 11:10 pm

Quoting ambertje:

thank you armegon!



You are welcome ambertje!



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1593.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 11:00 pm

Quoting Trudy:

I'm not sure if I may ask this, in case it isn't allowed this topic probably will disappear or get locked. I try.

In the news here there are many speculations about the elections for the president. The news said that the army 'threatened' to take over.

That's not want I want to know. What I'm curious about is what are the (visible) consequences for 'the man in the street' if that may happen. I mean, it happened before, didn't it? Last time in 1996 if I remember correct. What did YOU experience? Or was life just as usual?



Turkish Army did not threaten, they only do their work...
They said “It should not be forgotten that the Turkish armed forces are a side in this debate and are a staunch defender of secularism.

“The Turkish armed forces are against those debates... and will display their position and attitudes when it becomes necessary. No one should doubt that,”
Because today's government has applications against secularism.



Thread: tr-eng

1594.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:54 pm

Quoting ambertje:

ben şuan kendi birliğimdeyim


At the moment im at my army unit.



Thread: Luften, E-T

1595.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:52 pm

Quoting ashanti54:

(name) you are kind, sweet and a very good friend.
I wish all good things to you.
I'm gald to have you as a friend.
Great kiss to you, honey


------------------------------
Thanks for help



(name) nazik, tatlı ve çok iyi arkadaşsın.
Senin için hep iyi şeyleri diliyorum.
Senin gibi arkadaşım olduğuiçin çok memnunum.
Büyük öpücükler senin için, balım(tatlım).



Thread: e t t please x x x

1596.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:49 pm

Quoting jode:

babe dont get him to translate anything for you because i dont trust what he translates to you. i wish i was with you beacuse we would not have any problems. i am really fed up here.

thanks in advance x xx



Bebek, onun senin için çeviri yapmasına izin verme çünkü sana çevirdiklerine güvenmiyorum. Keşke seninle beraber olsam çünkü sorunlarımız olmazdı. Burada gerçekten beslendim.



Thread: Tunceli

1597.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:38 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting armegon:

ruthless87, bilader şaka mısın sen? Kaybol... Atatürk'e hakaret edecen bir de burada yazı yazacan...



Translate in English please, that's the main language. Then we all understand what your point is.



it is a comment to ruthless87, he can understand this what i wrote..
if u want, sure ill translate...



Thread: Tunceli

1598.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:32 pm

ruthless87, bilader şaka mısın sen? Kaybol... Atatürk'e hakaret edecen bir de burada yazı yazacan...



Thread: Tunceli

1599.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 10:20 pm

Quoting ruthless87:



How about killing and exiling the half of the population in 1938. Please do not speak without facts.



Please, please tell us the facts that u mentioned to happen in 1938. You mean the time of Kemal Atatürk , do you mean Atatürk killed people and exiled them.
Who are you? If there had occured a rebellion against republic, sure it was beaten down, every country does this to protect its safety. I suppose it was organized by English using religious sensitivity.



Thread: Tunceli

1600.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 08:36 pm

Quoting azade:


I'm reluctant to discuss my own view on the army, and there's nothing in my post above that was pointed negatively towards it. And by no means are people in Tunceli terrorists, I'm well aware of that. I read that there are an estimated 350 terrorists spending the winter in the mountains there, but anyway my comment was simply directed at the fact that there seems to be some tension between the general population and the army. I think it's a shame. But unfortunately it indeed true that soldiers normally can't leave the karakol because of it. Maybe in Tunceli merkez (I'm not aware of that) but not in the smaller towns. I wish there wouldn't be so much tension in the region in general because it's such a beautiful with rich cultural values.
Anyway I'm not trying to raise a touchy subject



Why are you reluctant to discuss? Is there something wrong with Turkish Army? Are you a citizen of Turkish Republic?
If u say people in Tunceli hate Turkish Army, it will sure understood like that...If the events u mentioned about the events which happen in small towns of Tunceli, this not the shame of Turkish Army but the politicians who became slave to exterior forces.



Thread: Tunceli

1601.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 07:43 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting Trudy:

But in none of the big travelsites or in LP Tunceli is mentioned. So I think not many people will go there because it is unknown. I just passed it last lear on my bus travel from Elazığ to Erzincan.


Do not worry, if the events happen as you mentioned, it will be fixed nearly, as soon as possible when we release from exterior forces.

we all have to love each other more then ever for more stronger Turkey against to exterior forcers,just a bit more love for the more hate and just a bit more tolerance for the prejudges,thats all..


I do not say anything else what u have written, i only say people must respect Turkish Army then people can unite and love eachother.



Thread: Tunceli

1602.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 07:39 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting MrX67:

ofcourse Tunceli a city of Turkey republic and we all have to hold values of our young republic,but with more tolerance ,peace and justice.Tunceli's people didn't come from another place,they r the owners of this country and republic as much as others,and we proud with to be citizen of Turkish republic..



Army also have tolerance, peace and justice. What does Turkish army do to break tolerance, peace and justice? Or Do people become ungrateful? Who do you mean with "They"?They are also Turks and Turks also live there.

we are citizien of Thish wonderfull country and we proud of with Turkish army,i hope thats enough for ur worries armegon??



Thanks MrX67 sure we are proud of Turkish army, i said ungrateful to who hate Turkish army.



Thread: Tunceli

1603.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 07:36 pm

Quoting Trudy:

But in none of the big travelsites or in LP Tunceli is mentioned. So I think not many people will go there because it is unknown. I just passed it last lear on my bus travel from Elazığ to Erzincan.


Do not worry, if the events happen as you mentioned, it will be fixed nearly, as soon as possible when we release from exterior forces.



Thread: Tunceli

1604.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 07:32 pm

Quoting MrX67:

ofcourse Tunceli a city of Turkey republic and we all have to hold values of our young republic,but with more tolerance ,peace and justice.Tunceli's people didn't come from another place,they r the owners of this country and republic as much as others,and we proud with to be citizen of Turkish republic..



Army also have tolerance, peace and justice. What does Turkish army do to break tolerance, peace and justice? Or Do people become ungrateful? Who do you mean with "They"?They are also Turks and Turks also live there.



Thread: Tunceli

1605.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 07:22 pm

Quoting azade:

Supposedly the broad population in Tunceli more or less hates the army, and therefore soldiers can't ever leave the karakol when they have some spare time.


What does this mean? Do you mean that more or less of the people in Tunceli are terrorists? people should have to love Turkish army if they dont want to be ungrateful and and i think all of the people does if they do not then they should go out of Turkiye as soon as possible or army does what is requirable because Turkish Army and the people of Turkiye is the founder of Turkish republic and Tunceli is a city of Turkish republic. Surely soldiers can leave the karakol. I think people in that city is used as a toy of imperialism if ur comment is true but i do not think so. So people must respect Turkish Arrmy if not one day when the time came, they will surely punished, the Turkish Army is the only army in the world who won war gainst imperialism,that should not be forgotten. The patience of people in Turkiye closely come to an end and when this happen unfortunately wet will burn besides dry.



Thread: eng -pl

1606.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Apr 2007 Sat 06:29 pm

Quoting hipnotic:

My precious love,
I promesed you that I will not dissapoint you....and it will be like that.I really love you very much.Yesterday about 15.00 S... call me and sad that he have invitations for concert.(normal ticket cost 200PLN)
And at 17.00 p.m. we was in train.I didn't see that I haven't got many batery in my mobile phone.
Return train we had at 5.00a.m., and we was in Warsaw at 7.30 a.m.
I'm very sad that you don't believe me, but i know that is my fault. I'm very sorry about that


Değerli Sevgilim
Seni hayal kırıklığına uğratmayacağıma söz vermiştim...ve bu böyle olacak. Seni gerçekten çok seviyorum. Dün 15.00 sularında S... beni aradı ve konser için davetiyelerinin olduğunu söyledi.(normal bilet 200PLN)
Ve 17.00 da biz trendeydik. Benim cep telefonumun pilinin bittiğini görmedim.
Dönüş treni saat sabah 5.oo daydı ve sabah 7.30 da Varşova'daydık.
Bana inanmadığın için çok üzgünüm, ama biliyorum benim hatam. Bu konuda çok özür dilerim



Thread: tr to eng

1607.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2007 Fri 08:34 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

thk for your translation


I treat you this time->Bu sefer sana davranıyorum.

be my girlfriend->Kız arkadaşım ol

i like your smile->GülüşÃ¼nden(tebessümünden) hoşlanıyorum.

i am very happy to have dinner with you.->Seninle akşam yemeği yediğim için çok mutluyum.

you make me know how to be a good man->Nasıl iyi bir adam olunacağını bilmemi sağladın

I am very excited and nervous->Çok heyecanlı ve gerginim

I am a easy-going guy.->Ben uysal bir adamım.



Thread: english to Turkish pls

1608.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Apr 2007 Fri 08:27 pm

Quoting yazmin_cita:

you make me proud. you have great potential.



Beni gururlandırdın.Müthiş potansiyelin var.



Thread: short translation

1609.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 10:07 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

thankyou could you explain the difference between the 2 translations you gave me?



You'r welcome..
First translation is word by word translation. Not usually used in Turkish but grammatically correct. Second translation is usually used in Turkish means like "i am always thinking of you, you are always in my mind and i cannot get you(this thinking) out of my mind"



Thread: short translation

1610.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:57 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

i know to say "im thinking of you" is seni dusunuyorum, but how do i say "i cant stop thinking of you" ?



"Seni düşÃ¼nmeyi durduramıyorum" but i think "Seni düşÃ¼nmekten kendimi alamıyorum" is more suitable...



Thread: Honestly my last one.

1611.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:46 pm

Bi şey değil MelekUK...
if you have another one, i can translate as well now



Thread: Eng - Turk please

1612.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:45 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

we havent spoken properly in a long time. I hope you havent erased me out of your mind...i feel like you are losing interest in me. there is only 2 more months to wait.



Uzun zamandır doğru düzgün konuşamadık. Umarım beni aklından silmemişsindir...Bana karşı ilgini kaybediyormuşsun gibi hissediyorum. Beklememiz gereken sadece 2 ay daha var.



Thread: Honestly my last one.

1613.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:41 pm

Quoting MelekUK:

I swear this is my last translation today. I've decided it's easier calling him!

Evet Askim (yes love)sana ihtiyacim var nden (neden?) mi cuncu (because) sende kaybettigim duygularimi kazanmak (to earn?)istiyorum. seni cok seviyorum sonsuza dek istiyorum.

Thanks.


Yes my love, i need you,reason? because i want to acquire(earn) my feelings that i lost in you. i love you so much, want you forever.



Thread: turkce=>inglince lutfen

1614.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:36 pm

Quoting melnceyhun:

okyonusun başladıgı yeri bilirsin ama sonunu asla tıpkı sana olan sevgim gibi


saol


okyanusun başladığı yeri bilirsin ama sonunu asla tıpkı sana olan sevgim gibi

You can know where the ocean starts but you can never know where it ends like my love to you.



Thread: Please I need help with this... E-T

1615.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:24 pm

Quoting YAZMIN:

HI everyone, sorry for my bad English...

Everything was just a dream...
I'm in love and this is so hard to say... Everything was just a dream, my hope is gone... I just need a little love for live... and you just stepped away. What can I do now? What can I do with all this love? You made me true on it... and now... I don't know what to think...I don't know what to feel. You are my everything, and I just have a little problem on here and you just go away. So, all this stuff were just lies?? Yes, I ask a lot, but is because I want to know... Sorry if I hurt you... sorry if I did something wrong... but you didn't told me, how can I notice then...???
XXXX I really love you, I love you so much... and I need you... If you can't trust it, if you can't feel the same, please, please, just say it!! and that's all...
All this time was wonderful, beautiful... Amazing!!... Thanks for everything, and please, take care.
Yours, XXXX
P.S. You know where can you find me... don't forget, don't forget all of this my love...



Her şey rüya gibiydi...
Aşığım ama bunu söylemek çok zor...Her şey sadece rüya gibiydi, ümidim tükendi...Yaşamak için sadece birazcık(azıcık) aşka ihtiyacım var...ve sen bastın gittin. Şimdi ne yapabilirim? Bütün aşkımla birlikte ne yapabilirim? Sen beni doğruladın...ve şimdi...Ne düşÃ¼neceğimi bilmiyorum.Ne hissedeceğimi bilmiyorum.Sen benim her şeyimsin ve burada sadece çok az sorunum var ve sen tamamen uzaklaştın. Peki bütün her şey yalanmıydı?Evet, çok soru sordum ama seni tanımak istememdi sebep... Özür dilerim seni incittiysem...Özür dilerim yanlış bir şey yaptıysam...ama sen bana anlatmadın, ben nasıl farkına varabilirdim ki?

XXXX, seni gerçekten seviyorum, seni çok seviyorum...ve sana ihtiyacım var...Eğer buna güvenemiyorsan, eğer aynı duyguları hissedemiyorsan, lütfen, lütfen, sadece söyle!! ve işte bu kadar...
Bütün bu geçirdiğimiz zamanlar mükemmeldi, çok güzeldi...hayranlık uyandırıcıydı!!
Her şey için teşekkürler, ve lütfen kendine iyi bak
Senin XXXX
Not:Beni nerede bulabileceğini biliyorsun...sakın unutma, sakın bütün bu yaşadıklarımızı unutma aşkım...



Thread: 7 sentence pls

1616.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 08:56 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

Hello , i would like to learn 7 sentences each day, i guess it is a good idea to learn , not too much and just enough for me!


1. Why you are laughing?-> Neden gülüyorsun?

2. I am joking!->Şaka yapıyorum.

3. It is none of your business.->Seni ilgilendirmez

4 We are the best in the world.->Dünyada en iyi biziz.

5. I never lie to you, but why you trick you always?->Sana hiç yalan söylemedim, ama neden her zaman aldatıyorsun?

6 Forgive me and forget me !->Beni affet ve unut!

7 keep in touch!->Temasta kal!



Thank you very much!



Thread: Would somebody translate 2 phrases? Thxxxx...

1617.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Apr 2007 Thu 08:51 pm

Sensiz kayıp(yitik).
Sensiz burada.



Thread: communication

1618.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2007 Wed 08:33 pm

Quoting Capoeira:

Ok, this is a question that I find hard to answer. I spent close to eight weeks in Turkey and I still wasn't able to figure it out when watching Turkish people great each other. I often saw men kiss other men on both cheeks starting from left side to the right side. I also saw women kiss each other on the check and then kiss the men on the cheek too. And I also so men shaking women's hands. So...as I am soon to travel. Please tell me what is appropriate: shaking hands or kissing on the cheek. I have a Mexican background and lived in Latin America so my first response to meeting people is to kiss everybody on the cheek twice. Thanks for your help before I make a fool out of myself!

Also if you tell me in a formal situation like going on a job interview, having a doctors appt. or meeting important people what is the appropriate greeting not verbal but physical i.e. hand or kiss on the cheek!



People kiss eachother on cheeks when they are good friends...In a formal situation hand shaking is enough,dont need to kiss on cheek



Thread: Sorry

1619.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2007 Wed 08:09 pm

My translation is word by word correct, and Umut's translation gives the nearest meaning, both of them ok, no problem.

Bu gece seni kendime yakın tutacağım->Tonight i will hold you close to me

Bu gece seni sıcak karşılayacağım -> Tonight i will greet(welcome) you very hot



Thread: Sorry

1620.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Apr 2007 Wed 07:52 pm

Quoting MelekUK:

I know I keep asking for help, but my turkish is still non-existent although I'm trying.

Can anyone help me please?

"I'm sorry for today my husband. Did I give you a headache? Tonight I will hold you very close and your headache will go! I'm in love with you my soldier-husband."



Bugün için özür dilerim kocacığım. Başını mı ağrıttım? Bu gece seni bana yakın tutacağım ve böylece baş ağrın geçecek! Sana aşığım benim asker-kocam.



Thread: reply.. E->T translation please?

1621.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 10:01 pm

Quoting pauline:

I'm so afraid she will not change her mind. I'm very worried about her. I'm so scared. I don't know how to change her mind. I even can't contact her. I don't know if she is ok.
Thank you for your friendship. It means a lot to me.



Fikrini değiştirmeyecek olmasından çok korkuyorum. Onun hakkında çok endişeleniyorum. Çok korkuyorum. Nasıl fikrini değiştirecek bilmiyorum. Hatta onunla irtibat bile kuramıyorum. İyi olup olmadığını bilmiyorum. Dostluğunuz için teşekkürler.Benim için çok anlamlı.



Thread: Translations from english to turkish!!

1622.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:51 pm

Quoting mamamia:

Sovyet arşivlerindeki belgeler, esas olarak 1917 sonrasına ait olmakla birlikte Sovyet yetkilerinin geçmiş olayları değerlendiren birçok yorumunu da içermektedir.



Documents in the Soviet archives which mainly belong to after 1917, contains many comments of Soviet authority that interprets the past events.



Thread: e t t please

1623.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:50 pm

You are welcome stephie...



Thread: translatıon TR-IN

1624.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:48 pm

Quoting mamamia:

1917 Ekim Devrimi’yle birlikte Çarlık iktidarı tam olarak yıkılmakla birlikte Beyaz Orduların, Kolçak hükümetinin ve Tiflis’teki Kafkas Cephesi Genel Karargâhı’nın bir süre daha varlığını koruması, Çarlık arşivlerinin zaman kesitini genişletmektedir.



Completely collapsing down the Czar power together with revolution of 17th October, the protection of subsistence of White Armies, government of Kolçak and the Caucasian base headquarters in Tiflis, enlarges the time section(edge) of Czar archives.



Thread: T - E lutfen small one

1625.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:29 pm

Quoting nellyphunt:

ne olur sonsuz olacagini söyle

şimdiden teşekürler



please say me it will be forever



Thread: e t t please

1626.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:28 pm

Quoting stephie:

hello babe. i booked my flight today, are you sure it is ok to stay in your apartment with you when i come? will it cause problems with the others? im so sad here i miss you so much

thanks in advance x x x



Merhaba bebek. Uçuş için bugün yer ayırttım, geldiğimde seninle birlikte senin apartmanında kalmamın iyi olacağından emin misin? Diğerleri ile sorunlara sebep olabilir mi?Burada çok üzgünüm, seni çok özledim.



Thread: Quick reply...last one for today I swear!

1627.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:14 pm

Quoting MelekUK:

If someone could help please and I will try and make this the last time.


You say I will have a hard job when you fall in love with me but I am excited to be in love with you. I am in love with you now. Maybe one day I will be a good wife for you and good mother for your children. Never worry. We will spend our lives shopping together!



Senin bana aşık olduğunda benim işimin zor olacağını söylüyorsun fakat ben sana aşık olmak için heyecanlanıyorum. Şimdi sana aşığım. Belki bir gün senin için iyi bir eş ve çocukların için iyi bir anne olacağım. Hiç endişelenme. Hayatımızı beraber alışverişte geçireceğiz!



Thread: Translation english - turkish

1628.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Apr 2007 Tue 09:08 pm

Quoting meisje:

Could someone help me out translating this?
Im sorry its a bit long, but its important for me!
Thanks in advance already!!

Im getting more nervous every day for moving to gumbet, and it feels like my head will expload cause im trying to do thousand and on things, and not to forget anything.
My mother had to hold back her tears today when she said she will miss me very much, but she definitly want me to go and be with you, cause she knows i love you with all my heart.

But i will need your help there too sweetheart, cause as you know everything is new for me, and i never left holland longer then 4 weeks. Also i have never lived together with anybody, ofcourse with my parents but that doesnt count. The last 4 years i have been living alone, so this will be a big adjustment for me and i guess it will be for to for you. I know for sure we will be very happy together, and that our love will only grow stronger!


Gümbete taşınma konusunda her gün biraz daha gergin oluyorum, ve kafam patlayacakmış gibi hissediyorum çünkü binlerce şey yapmaya ve hiçbir şeyi unutmamaya çalışıyorum. Annem bugün beni çok özleyeceğini söylerken gözyaşlarını tutmak zorunda kaldı fakat kesinlikle benim gidip seninle birlikte olmamı istiyor, çünkü seni bütün kalbimle sevdiğimi biliyor.
Ama sevgilim benim de orada senin yardımına ihtiyacım olacak, çünkü bildiğin gibi her şey benim için yeni ve Hollanda'dan hiç 4 haftadan uzun süre ayrılmadım. Ayrıca hiç biriyle birlikte yaşamadım, tabi ki ailemle yaşadım fakat o geçerli değil. Son 4 yıldır yalnız yaşıyorum bu nedenle bu benim için büyük bir ayarlama(adaptasyon)olacak ve sanırım senin için de öyle olacak. Biliyorum, eminim ki birlikte çok mutlu olacağız ve böylece aşkımız sadece kuvvetlenerek büyüyecek.



Thread: Just a short but important help..

1629.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2007 Mon 11:41 pm

Quoting Lenka:

Quoting Lenka:

Ok, now I have the answer and I´m not sure if I havent misunderstood. Can somebody translate it for me to make me sure? Thank you so much!

Fatihin ablasiyim ben Fatihe soylerim sizi arar ama kim oldugunuzu belirtmemissiniz.



And this too.. It is VERY important! Thank you so much for your help.

Uzgunum canim inglizceyi Fatih biliyor ama notunu iletecegim.


First one- I am the elder sister of Fatih, i will tell Fatih, he will call you, but you hadnt mentioned who you were.
Second one-I am upset dear,Fatih knows English but i will hand in(deliver) your note (to Fatih)



Thread: small check up Please ........

1630.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Apr 2007 Mon 11:32 pm

Quoting kestrel:

Actually the XXX is a name and I left off the suffix of 'ya' inadvertently which probably changes the whole thing.....AH! I can't find how 'ya' is used in my grammar books........

If it is 'Eminya cok kizdim sana nededi bilmiyorum' what does it mean now?


if it is "Fatma'ya çok kızdım sana ne dedi bilmiyorum" then it means "I am very angry with Fatma, i dont know what she said to you"

if it is "Fatma, çok kızdım, sana ne dedi bilmiyorum" then it means "Fatma, i am very angry, i dont know what he/she said to you"



Thread: e t t please x x x

1631.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 10:24 pm

Quoting stephie:

i am not like the other girls. i dont go to discos all the time,im not intrested in other boys, i only want you. i work 2 jobs so i can come and see you all the time.being apart from you makes me sad.


thanks in advance


Ben diğer kızlar gibi değilim. Her zaman discolara gitmem, başka erkeklerle ilgilenmiyorum, sadece seni istiyorum. İki iş yapıyorum böylece her zaman seni gelip görebilirim. Senden ayrı olmak beni üzüyor.



Thread: english to turkish please

1632.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 10:12 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

i would like to know the following, thank you


i hope everything is better now!
my boss, i hope you can manage your company well this time. You are a nice guy but not a good boss to manage your company and your staffs, l leaved you because you never make your promise become true, but in my mind , you are my idol, so i will give you some report about your company!



That's it thank you again!


Umarım şimdi herşey daha iyidir!
Patronum, umarım bu sefer şirketi yöneteblirsin. Sen iyi birisin fakat çalışanları ve şirketi yönetmek için iyi bir patron değilsin, ben sizi bırakdım çünkü sözleriniz(verdiğiniz sözler) asla gerçekleşmiyor, ama aklımda, siz benim çok sevdiğim kişisiniz, bu nedenle şirketiniz hakkında size bazı raporlar vereceğim!



Thread: t t e please x

1633.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 10:01 pm

Quoting stephie:

balim ben cok kiskancim seni herseyden kiskaniyorum.buda benim hakkim seni nekadar sevdimi biliyorsun cok seven cok kavga eder. seni kaybetmek istemiyorum cunku sana cok alistim seni uzmek istemiyorum bebek seni cok seviyorum kendine iyi bak

thanks in advance x x x


My honey, im too jealous, im jealous of you from everything. This is also my right, you know how much i love you, who loves much, debates much. i dont want to lose you because im very much accustomed to you, i dont want to upset you baby, i love you so much, take care of yourself



Thread: please can you translate this IN ENGLISH..???please. Ustume Basip Gecme

1634.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 09:56 pm

Quoting kikihusein:


Gökhan Kırdar - Üstüme Basıp Geçme Yar

Gökhan Kırdar-Dont Pass steeping onto me

Bıraksanda elimi
Sevgim bana yeter
Susarım öpüşÃ¼ne
Avunurda söylemem
Belki yalandır oyundur
Derim ya, yine de korku basar

If you also release my hand
My love is enough for me
I keep quite to your kiss
I console too and dont speak
Maybe its a lie, a game
i say but again fear also cover me

Yazık ki ağır ağır
Çökmüş yüreğine
Nefret değil mi bu
Yalan sevişmeler
Sen değilsin sanki yarısı
Yatağımın
ÜşÃ¼rüm sarılsam bile

What a pity slowly slowly
Has fallen into your heart
Is this not a hate
lie(all lie,untruth) making loves
Its not you like half
Of my bed
I fell cold even i hug


İsyanım yanışıma ölüm bile susuyor
Ardına dönüp giden senmisin a kadın
Gururum yere düşer
Yeter ki bak yüzüme
Üstüme basıp geçme yar

My mutiny is to(for)my burning, dead even keeping quiet
Are you the one who is leaving by turning back, woman
My honour falls onto the ground
Just so look at my face
Dont pass stepping onto me.




Thread: T-E Translation please

1635.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 09:47 pm

Rica ederim doll1



Thread: t-e help please

1636.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 05:02 pm

Quoting rossivale:

biz boyle gorduk harami bilmedik ezilmedik yenilmedik bu sehirde olmaz daglara cikmali YALNIZ KURT yenilmemeli

thanks to anyone that will help


my try;
we have seen like this, we dont know(do)unlawful(forbidden by religion), we dont be crashed and beaten, it doesnt happen in this city, should climb to the mountains, LONELY WOLF should not be beaten.



Thread: English to Turkish pls

1637.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 03:54 pm

Quoting SoLaX:

dilimizin döndüğü kadar brother.. idare ediver pls..



Tabiki dostum idare ederiz, cümleler güzel olmuş bu arada



Thread: last letter to my husband i know its long but really need to tell him this translation needed please

1638.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 03:49 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:

Im not going to pretend that I dont love you. You and our daughter are my world since you left us I feel like my world has fallen apart. I miss you so much these last few months have been terrible. I cant believe that 5 years of love can dissolve into nothing . I cant explain how much it hurts when you tell me you dont love me anymore..and I cant understand how you can switch your feelings off for me so suddenly. I have always tried so hard for you I have loved you, cared for you and always been loyal to you..What did I do so wrong for you to put me through so much pain? I thought you were a family man with family values but it seems you are not the man I thought you were..I guess a wife and Child are too much responsibilty.You are good at making promises but not good at keeping them ...Im upset because I think you walked away too soon ...A real man would not walk away from his problems only a coward would do that. I know Im not perfect..but at least I didnt give up on you like you gave up on me I would have done anything for you. I only ever wanted the best for you but I will sign your divorce papers not because I want to divorce but because I love you . You should know that the moment I sign those papers is the moment I give up on everything I believe in ..Its the hardest thing I will ever do in my life ..letting go of your love is heartbreaking..and giving up on my marriage makes me feel like a failure. As your life moves on...from time to time think about that persons heart thats aching and think about that person who cries for you..BUT One day you will understand me One day you will realise what you have lost ...I would never like you to feel pain how I have felt pain these last few months but ..What goes around comes around.



Seni sevmiyormuş gibi görünmeyeceğim(davranmayacağım). Sen ve kızımız benim dünyam. Sen bizi terk ettiğinden beri dünyam parça parça oldu. Seni çok özledim, bu son birkaç ay çok kötüydü. 5 yıllık aşk nasıl böyle hiçbir şeye dönüştü inanamıyorum.
Beni artık sevmediğini söylediğinde bunun nasıl beni incittiğini açıklayamam..ve aniden bana olan duyguların nasıl sona erdi anlayamıyorum. Senin için her zaman elimden geleni yaptım, seni sevdim, sana önem verdim ve her zaman sana vefalı oldum. Sana karşı bu kadar ne yanlış yaptım da bana bu acıyı reva gördün? Senin aile için uygun biri olduğunu, aile değerlerine sahip çıktığını düşÃ¼nmüştüm ama görüyorum ki sen benim düşÃ¼ndüğüm gibi değilmişsin..Sanırım bir eş ve Çocuk çok sorumluluk istiyor. Söz vermede iyisin ama verdiğin sözleri tutmada iyi değilsin.Üzgünüm çünkü çok erken kaçtın…Gerçek bir erkek asla sorunlarından kaçmaz sadece korkaklar böyle yapar. Biliyorum mükemmel değilim..ama en azından ben senin beni bıraktığın gibi seni bırakmadım, senin için ne olursa yaptım. Sadece hep senin için en iyisini istedim ama boşanma kağıtlarını senden boşanmak istediğim için değil seni sevdiğim için imzalayacağım. Bilmelisin ki o kağıtları imzaladığım an, inandığım her şeyi bıraktığım andır. Hayatımda yapacağım en zor şey olacak..Senin aşkının gidişini(bitişini) görmek kalp kırıcıydı..ve evliliğimin bitmesi kendimi başarısız gibi hissetmemi sağladı. Hayatın devam ederken, zaman geçtikçe kalbi sızlayan ve senin için ağlayan insanları düşÃ¼n..FAKAT bir gün beni anlayacaksın, bir gün ne kaybettiğinin farkına varacaksın…Asla senin benim şu birkaç aydır çektiğim acı gibi acı çekmeni istemem ama…Eden bulur.



Thread: English to Turkish please :)

1639.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 02:57 pm

You are welcome sparkle...



Thread: English to Turkish pls

1640.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 02:56 pm

Quoting SoLaX:

nice nice

'look my ram, i am anatolian child.if i put , you sit' ??


'bak koçum, ben anadolu çocuğuyum.kodummu oturturum'
Bat diyır virçu esenskatır bilader yor ingiliş transleyşın of last part iz vuronk, şÃ¶yle olmalı;
'if ay put,(oturturum)ay meyk yu sit' lol



Thread: English to Turkish please :)

1641.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Apr 2007 Sun 01:17 pm

Quoting sparkle:

Can anyone please translate the following to Turkish? Thank you very much in advance:

"But then, I realised I can’t punish a country for something you did to me."



Ama sonra anladım ki senin bana yaptığın bir şey yüzünden bir ülkeyi cezalandıramam.



Thread: turk - eng luften xx

1642.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 11:02 pm

Quoting sasi:

There will never come a day
You will ever hear me say
That i want or need to be without you
I want to give my all
Baby just hold me
Simply control me
Because your arms they keep away the lonelies
When i look into your eyes
Then i realize
All i need is you in my life
because i never felt this way about loving
Never felt so good baby



Asla o gün gelecek değil
Söylediğimi ebediyyen duymayacaksın
Benim sensiz olmak istediğimi veya sensiz olmaya ihtiyacım olduğunu
Her şeyimi vermek istiyorum
Bebeğim(bebek) sadece beni tutuyor
Kısaca kontrol ediyor
Çünkü kolların onlar beni yalnızlıktan uzak tutuyor.
Gözlerinin içine baktığımda
Anladım ki
Hayatımda tek istediğim sensin
Çünkü aşk hakkında hiç böyle hisstememiştim
Asla böyle güzel hissetmedim bebek




Thread: turk - eng please!

1643.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 10:51 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

"I need to know when exactly you are going to fethiye so i can book my holiday to marmaris very soon. Would you prefer me to come to fethiye instead? Can you definately spend two weeks with me in july?"

"Tomorrow i am going to a wedding in the afternoon."


Thanks in advance.


"Kesin olarak ne zaman Fethiye'ye gideceğini bilmem lazım böylece tatil için Marmaris'e en kısa zamanda yer ayırtabilirim. Marmaris yerine Fethiye'ye gelmemi mi tercih edersin?Temmuzda benimle kesin olarak iki hafta geçirebilecek misin?"
"Yarın öğleden sonra bir düğüne gidiyorum"



Thread: please translate english - turkish - thank you

1644.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 10:36 pm

Quoting Jasmin747:

Some of my feelings keep escapin'
So I make it a joke
Nonchalant I keep on fakin'
So my heart dont get broke
Im in a big ocean in a tiny little boat
Ill only put the idea out there
If I know its gonna float


Bazı duydularım kaçmayı sürdürüyor
Böylece ona bir şaka yaptım
Kayıtsız olarak numara yapmaya devam ediyorum
Böylece kalbim kırılmıyor
Okyanusta minicik bir bottayım
Fikri sadece orada bırakacağım
Yüzeceğini bilsem bile




Thread: T-E Translation please

1645.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 10:21 pm

Quoting dollı:

merhaba

could someone help me translate this please?

ailenizle başbaşa deniz ve yeşilin tadını çıkararak güzel bir tatil mi istiyorsunuz? kaçırmayın, farkı bizimle yaşayın

thanks


Do u want a holiday together with ur faily by tasting sea and grennness?Do not miss, live the difference with us.



Thread: english to turkish please

1646.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 09:15 pm

Quoting sen-kim-sin:

hello
can you translate these to english for me

I am a Chinese boy and learning Turkish.
because i love turkish very much and turkey is a very great country like China.
I hope one day I can speak good Turkish and translate or interpretate for the turkish people when they come to china canton fair, even just for free, i will also do the job perfect!


Thank you, please!

iyi sanslar



Ben Türkçe öğrenen bir Çinliyim. Çünkü Türkçeyi çok seviyorum ve Türkiye de Çin gibi harika bir ülke.Umarım bir gün iyi Türkçe konuşabilirim ve Türkler için Çin'in canton bölgesine geldiklerinde düzgün çeviri ve yorum yapabilirim, hatta sadece bedava, ayrıca iş olarak da mükemmel yapacağım.



Thread: trukish to english please

1647.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 01:25 am

Quoting crisss15:

thank you very very very much... one more
sorry for so much


vala biraz anlasmamiz zor olucak çunku sen turkce cok az anliyorsun ben se English hiç bilmiyorum


it will be really difficult to understand eachother because you understand less Turkish and i also know English zero.



Thread: trukish to english please

1648.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 01:00 am

i'd like to know(recognize) you more closely.



Thread: English to Turkish

1649.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 12:20 am

you'r welcome



Thread: turkish to english please :)

1650.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 12:19 am

Quoting crisss15:

HE CENK MSN AÇ DİYARINAŞKI İMAMIN BATIRSIN


Thanks


Hey, Cenk open your msn."Diyarınaşkı imamın batırsın" is meaningless...
Something like that maybe "love of land shall sink imam"
if it is "iman" instead of "imam", then iman means "faith" and sentence will be "love of land shall sink your faith"



Thread: English to Turkish

1651.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 12:12 am

Quoting crisss15:

can someone translate this for me , its to my friend that can not speak very well english.
thanks


" Hey, sorry that i have not been able to speak to you in a couple of days. I realy like you also, but its very difficult to be able to know eachother fully because of our different languages.
i hope to talk to you soon
thanks."



Hey, özür dilerim, bir iki gündür seninle konuşamadım. Ben de senden gerçekten hoşlanıyorum, fakat farklı lisanlardan dolayı birbirimizi tam olarak tanıyabilmemiz çok zor.
Seninle yakında konuşmayı umuyorum.Teşekkürler.



Thread: eng to turkish please

1652.       armegon
1872 posts
 20 Apr 2007 Fri 12:07 am

Quoting farmor:

Please help me, thanks in advance. Hugs to you all, pals.


Now its only 1 mounth until we meet again. Its a long time since I saw you and now it begins to be difficult to wait. But soon we have 2 weeks togeher.

Maybe I stop writing letters to you soon because you say you dont get them and anyhow we meet soon.

Take good care of my heart. Kisses.



Tekrar buluşuncaya kadar şimdi sadece bir ay oldu. Seni gördüğümden bu yana(beri) çok uzun zaman oldu ve şimdi beklemek zor olmaya başladı. Fakat yakında beraber 2 haftamız olacak.
Belki yakında sana yazmayı durdururum çünkü sen onları almadığını söylüyorsun ve ne olursa olsun yakında buluşacağız.

im not sure about the first sentence, i couldnt understand well, maybe something wrong...



Thread: eng - turk lutfen =)

1653.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 11:38 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

If anyone has time translate this it will be very appreciated!

" in exactly 3 months time from today, i will be in turkey with you. It may seem like a long time away, but it will pass quickly. I cant wait to be in your arms and to never let you go."



Bugünden itibaren tam 3 ay sonra, Türkiye'de seninle birlikte olacağım. Uzun bir zaman gibi gözükebilir, fakat çabuk geçecek. Kollarında olmak için ve senin asla gitmene izin vermemek için bekleyemiyorum.



Thread: please help! a little long - e to t

1654.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 11:22 pm

bir şey değil kestrel



Thread: please what does it mean?

1655.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 10:57 pm

What is he/she saying friend?



Thread: please help! a little long - e to t

1656.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 10:50 pm

Quoting kestrel:

I'm sorry if I woke you but XXXXX kept messaging me over and over from your address and I thought it was you and something was wrong. I was tired of confusing messages so I called you. I got my internet back on and finally on msn and it wasn't even you! It's very strange. What's going on? That's why I wanted to know if you got my email and pictures because he was on from your address yesterday also. My words and thoughts are only for you. I do not want to think I am talking to you when I really am not.


Thanks to translator so much in advance. This is too long for my limited turkish at this oint!



Seni uyandırdıysam özür dilerim fakat XXXXX sürekli bana senin adresinden mesaj atıyor ve ben senin olduğunu düşÃ¼nmüştüm ve bir şeyler yanlıştı. Kafa karıştıran mesajlardan sıkıldım bundan dolayı seni aradım. İnternetime ve sonunda msnye kavuştum ve hatta o sen değildin! Çok garip. Neler oluyor?Bu nedenle e-postamı ve resimleri alıp almadığını bilmek istedim çünkü dün yine senin adresinden çevrimiçiydi. Sözlerim ve düşÃ¼ncelerim sadece senin içindi. Gerçekten seninle konuşmuyorken, kendimi seninle konuşuyor gibi düşÃ¼nmek istemiyorum.



Thread: T - E Again please?

1657.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 10:40 pm

Quoting pauline:

Oh, you tried to contact me. I was away.
Thanks.
I feel very sad and very bad.
Why is sara doing bad things to me all the time? Do you know that? Can you please ask that she stops?
thank you for your friendship



Ohh, benimle irtibat kurmaya çalışmışsın. Dışarıdaydım.
Teşekkürler.
Kendimi kötü ve üzgün hissediyorum.
Neden Sara her zaman bana kötü şeyler yapıyor?Bunu biliyor musun?Lütfen ona durmasını söyleyebilir misin?
Dostluğun için teşekkürler.



Thread: can some one please tell me if this is true

1658.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 01:27 am

Quoting sasi:


:-S The question i still have is about the silus papers if you havent recieved them but you no you should be going will you be punished if you dont go?



What silus papers sasi? u mean the declaration papers(letters)sent to his address that calling him to the army...if u mean that and he didnt receive it,its his responsibility, he should go to see military office and has to do some processes such as health processes etc when he is eligible for the army, also if he is eligible, it is announced from speakers at the place where he was born. When he did these processes at the military office,if he is a student, he can postpone the military service.if he is not a student or any reason else to postpone the military service and he did not these processes, he became a deserter. when he was caught by military police, he was sent to the army immediately after judged.



Thread: Age

1659.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 01:05 am

Quoting stellargirl:

I may be overlooking it in the site's lessons, but how would you say, "I am XXX years old."??



Ben XXX yaşındayım.



Thread: To become / to get

1660.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Apr 2007 Thu 01:03 am

Quoting Elisa:

I am confused sometimes on how to use the verb olmak in the above meaning.

For example:

* He is getting sicker day by day - Günden güne daha hasta oldu / olur / ...
* She is becoming more beautiful every year - Yıldan yıla (her yıl?) daha güzel oldu / olur / ...

Is this a good way of expressing "to become"? And which tense would be the best one?



i think here "şimdiki zaman" will be suitable.

1) He is getting sicker day by day-Günden güne daha çok hasta oluyor or Günden güne daha çok hastalanıyor or Günden güne daha da hastalanıyor(hasta oluyor).

2)She is becoming more beautiful every year-Her yıl daha güzel oluyor or Her yıl daha güzelleşiyor.



Thread: can some one please tell me if this is true

1661.       armegon
1872 posts
 18 Apr 2007 Wed 12:13 am

Quoting sasi:

is this a fact of the national service and what process happens if you avoid national service

if u get ur silus ( kind of paper work) it means u r a soldier and if u escape and not come in a week u have to do 1 week for 1 day but if he dont get his silus nothing will happen and xxxxx said he has run for nearly 2 year



you said he has been running for nearly 2 years...how many times did he escape from army inspection(bakaya)?if one time there is no problem, he will be judged in military court then after giving a reasonable defence he will join the army but dont have right to postpone anymore. But if 2 times there is a big problem, when he caught,he will be arrested and judged again and this time he may be closed to the military prison and then join to the army.if he still denies to join, he will be taken out of Turkish citizenship.



Thread: Turkish to English please???

1662.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2007 Tue 10:29 pm

Quoting kizkulesi:

HERZAMAN KULAGINA SIMDIDE GOZLERINE HITAB EDIYORUM


I always speak to your ear and now i am also addressing to your eyes.



Thread: eng-tr when you can

1663.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2007 Tue 10:24 pm

Quoting lunatic:

sorry i could not reply back to your sms but i was away for a few weeks. about the key, it is ok we will take care of it when we go over. thank you and hello to you all hope you are all well



Özür dilerim kısa mesajına cevap yazamadım ama birkaç hafta için uzaktaydım.anahtarla ilgili, tamamdır, başladığımızda ona dikkat edeceğiz. Teşekkürler ve hepinize selamlar, umarım iyisinizdir.



Thread: Is anybody can help translate it to turkish ? thatks very much

1664.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2007 Tue 10:19 pm

Quoting ghuncem:

Merhaba Bay oguz
Have a good trip .
I just want to tell you that you should be more careful to the price of our company .Because the price our company offered to you is higher than the price I offered to other companies .I don’t want you suffer losses . Although I am a worker of GHY,but firstly I am an Uyghur Turk, so I can’t bear to see my brethren suffer losses just because of my company’s one-eyed dealing . That is the reason why I told you above .There are much benefits to me and my company from other companies .
I will try to find some information about the spare parts you want .Please write in Turkish , I can Understand written Turkish more than spoken Turkish .
Good see you sir.
Best regards


Merhaba Oğuz Bey
İyi yolculuklar.
Sadece size şirketimizin fiyatı hakkında dikkatli olmanız gerektiğini söylemek istedim. Çünkü bizim şirketin size önerdiği fiyat diğer şirketlerin önerdiğinden daha yüksek. Zarara(kayıba) uğramanızı istemem. GHYde çalışıyor olmama rağmen, önce ben bir Uygur Türküyüm, işte bu yüzden bizim şirketin muamelesinden dolayı kardeşimin zarara uğramasına katlanamam. Bu nedenle yukarıdakileri size anlattım. Diğer şirketlerden bana ve şirketime çok fayda var.
İstediğiniz yedek parçalarla ilgili bazı bilgiler bulmaya çalışacağım. Lütfen Türkçe yazın, yazılı Türkçeyi konuşma Türkçesinden daha iyi anlıyorum.
Görüşmek üzere Beyefendi.
Saygılarımla.



Thread: eng - turk please

1665.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2007 Tue 10:03 pm

Quoting sasi:

Thank you for the time you spent with me last night.
It was lovely to hear your voice.
I have missed speaking with you so much.
Just to hear your voice made me feel as if was there with you.
Why have you not come on msn when you said you would?
It is hard not being in contact with you, not knowing what you are doing!



Dün gece beraber geçirdiğimiz zaman için teşekkürler.
Sesini duymak güzeldi.
Seninle konuşmayı çok özlemişim.
Sadece sesini duymak senin yanındaymışım gibi hisstememi sağladı.
Niçin msnye geleceğini söylediğin halde gelmedin?
Seninle irtibat kuramamak, ne yaptığını bilmemek zor.



Thread: tr-eng

1666.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Apr 2007 Tue 09:58 pm

Quoting LovelyGirl:

seni ilk gordugum anda icimde tarifi imkansiz bir his duydum ta derinden guzelliginin karsisinda kayitsiz kalmak ne mumkun etkilenmedim dersem buyuk ayip etmis olurum yuzundeki o saf ve masum gulucuk iste kelime tam burda aciz kaliyor

cok tsk ederim



when i first saw you, i feel an emotion which cannot be described from deeply inside, it is impossible to be indifferent against your beauty,if i say that i didnt impressed, that will be a lie, the pure innocent smile on your face, here is all the words become meaningless.



Thread: Please Please - T TO E xx

1667.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 11:45 pm

Quoting elle27:

merhaba sevgilim , seni herzaman düşÃ¼nüyorum aşkim . seni tahmi edemıyeceyım kadar çok seviyorum ve özlüyorum . beni bekledigini biliyorum , beraber olabilecegimiz gunu . seni seviyorum



Thanks in advance



Hello my love, i am thinking of you all the time. i love and miss you so much that you cant guess(imagine). i know you are waiting for me, the day we will be together. i love you.



Thread: Please help me !

1668.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 08:31 pm

Fesüphanallah by Erkin Koray



Thread: english~turkish lutfen :0)

1669.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 07:50 pm

Rica ederim



Thread: English to Turkish please if anyone can help, thanks

1670.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 06:47 pm

Quoting turkey_bird:

I have opended my turkish mobile fone with my english sim card now, and I have received a reminder message that you secretly set up before I left Izmir. It was to alert me on 6th April at 10.00am...it said darling, I love you..... then 2 days later you finished with me, I just want to know did you think it was funny to play with my feelings like that? I did not force you to say this! Did I do something bad to you when I was there (name)? because I honestly dont know if I did, I am angry with you for this! but I dont want bad feeling between us ok? Dont worry, I wont contact you again, I was just confused about your message. Take care, I hope you got the new job, Bye Bye from Eve



Şimdi Türkiye'de kullandığım cep telefonumu İngiltere'de kullandığım sim kartla açtım, ve ben İzmir'den ayrılmadan önce senin gizlice hazırladığın bir hatırlatma mesajı aldım. 6 Nisan saat 10 da beni uyarmak içinmiş...Sevgilim seni seviyorum diyordu....Sonra 2 gün sonra sen benden ayrıldın, sadece bilmek istiyorum, bu şekilde benim duygularımla oynamanın eğlenceli olduğunu mu düşÃ¼ndün?Seni bunu söylemeye zorlamadım!Oradayken sana(name) kötü bir şey mi yaptım? çünkü gerçekten eğer yaptıysam bilmiyorum, bunun için sana kızgınım! ancak aramızda huzursuzluk istemiyorum tamam mı? Endişelenme, seninle bir daha irtibat kurmayacağım, sadece mesajın hakkında kafam karıştı. Kendine iyi bak, umarım yeni işi almışsındır, HoşÃ§akal Eve.



Thread: english~turkish lutfen :0)

1671.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 06:32 pm

Quoting melnceyhun:

my love for you is like the wind;you can't see it, but you know it's there!



Sana olan aşkım rüzgar gibi;göremezsin, ama orada olduğunu bilirsin.



Thread: eng-tr

1672.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 06:21 pm

Quoting ambertje:

I am at work now. My internet at home has broken down, I don't know when it will be fixed. I am really sorry. I hope it can be made very fast and you will then be able to see me too.



Şu anda işteyim. Evdeki internetim bozuldu, ne zaman tamir edileceğini(düzeleceğini) bilmiyorum. Çok özür dilerim. Umarım çok hızlı bir şekilde yapılabilir ve sonra sen de beni görebileceksin.



Thread: translation lutfen

1673.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 01:25 am

Quoting tommysbar:

People like Ali will come and go in your life... People like me would be with you through your bad days and your good days...


Ali gibi insanlar hayatına gelecektir ve gidecektir... Benim gibi insanlar ise iyi ve kötü günlerinde seninle birlikte olacaktır.



Thread: my try...corrections?

1674.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 01:19 am

Quoting dagdelen:

Quoting armegon:

Öncesi(evvelsi) hakkında üzgünüm(özür dilerim).



Can you explain why 'si' is added at the end of önce and evvel? and i have another query. My turkish friend told me 'uzgunum' means im upset and not im sorry? im confused?



i think more literal and appropriate translation for this sentence may be 'Öncesi için özür dilerim'. Here 'öncesi için' answers the question 'Ne için?(what for?)' so it should be preposition.'si' suffix here is used to make 'önce' a preposition, im not turkish teacher but it should be like this.When u translate it word by word its like 'Önce hakkında özür dilerim.' doesnt make sense, not a good sentence in turkish.
Ur second question, ur friend is right, i used it to make more meaningable in turkish.



Thread: short...eng - turk

1675.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 01:13 am

Quoting dagdelen:

Im sorry for being annoying...ive become very impatient and fustrated recently because i want to be with you now, not july! I always want to be with you every second of every day.


(ok, sorry its not that short haha, but translation would be appreciated)


Kızgın olduğum için özür dilerim... çok sabırsızlanmaya başladım ve sinirliyim şu anda çünkü şimdi seninle beraber olmak istiyorum, Temmuzda değil! Ben her zaman her günün her saniyesi seninle birlikte olmak istiyorum.



Thread: my try.

1676.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 01:09 am

Quoting dagdelen:

her zman böyle yapıyorsun bana hala inanmıyorsun

all the time you do like this to me you still dont believe


corrections please?!


Thats allright only the last part should be "you still dont believe me"



Thread: e2t plz

1677.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 12:09 am

Quoting smudge1098:

Lucky you! i wish i was going too! i don't need anything thanks, your safe return is the only importance! have fun, enjoy and stay safe. i have to sleep now working again 14 hours tomorrow. lots of love and kisses!!


Sana iyi şanslar!Keşke ben de gidiyor olsaydım. Bir şeye ihtiyacım yok teşekkürler, senin selametle(güvenilir) dönüşÃ¼n tek önemli olan! iyi eğlenceler, eğlen ve selamet içinde kal. Şimdi uyumam lazım, yarın yine 14 saat çalışıyorum. Sevgilerimle ve öpücükler(öptüm)!!



Thread: my try...corrections?

1678.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Apr 2007 Mon 12:04 am

Öncesi(evvelsi) hakkında üzgünüm(özür dilerim).



Thread: Any chance of translation pretty pls :-)

1679.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Apr 2007 Sun 12:06 am

Quoting snowhite:

I hear the wind call your name
It calls me back home again
It sparks up the fire- a flame that still burns
Oh it's to you I'll always return
I still feel your breath on my skin
I hear your voice deep within
The sound of my lover- a feeling so strong
It's you-I'll always belong

İsmini çağıran rüzgarı duyuyorum
Tekrar beni eve çağırıyor
O kıvılcım ateşi yaktı- alev hala yanan
Oh sana göre hep döneceğim
Hala nefesini tenimde hissediyorum.
Sesini derinlerden duyuyorum
Aşkımın sesi- çok güçlü bir duygu.
O sensin-Hep ait olacağım.


Now i know it's true
My every road leads to you
And in the hour of darkness darling
Your light gets me through

I cant stand the distance-I cant dream alone
I cant wait to see you
Im on my way home

şimdi biliyorum bu doğru
Her yolum sana çıkıyor
Ve karanlıklar saatinde sevgilim
Senin ışığın yol gösteriyor
Mesafelere dayanamıyorum-Yalnız düşleyemiyorum
Seni görmeyi bekleyemiyorum
Eve doğru yolumun üzerindeyim.



Thank you class



Thread: english to turkish plzzzzzzzzzz

1680.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Apr 2007 Sat 11:55 pm

Quoting sam1:

hi nurgul im so glad that im in your life and your in mine,im looking after joshua for a while amanda working,can you go on webcam or not?say hi to everyone xx



Merhaba Nurgül, Hayatında olduğum ve senin de benim hayatımda olduğun çok memnunum, Amanda çalışırken, Joshua'ya bakıyorum, web kamerayla devam edelim mi, etmeyelim mi? Herkese selam söyle XX..



Thread: please translate from english to turkish

1681.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Apr 2007 Sat 11:51 pm

you'r welcome



Thread: can anyone please help me?......

1682.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Apr 2007 Sat 11:50 pm

Quoting kisses:

can anyone please help me translate this to english. thanks.


Camille benim sevdigim kiz uzaklarda ama kalbimin icinde
Asuman yildizlarla doluysa benimde kalbimde onun aski var
Melekler seni korusun bebegim, ve bulutlar senin kalbinin rengiyle boyansin
Isigi gozlerimin senin gozlerinin parlakligindandir ve gulusunden
Lulesinde sakla beni sacinin ve birak orda uyuyayim uyandirma beni
Lal kesilip kokunu koklayayim sacinin ve basim gogsunde
Ellerin ellerimde, gozlerin gozlerimde ve terin terime karismis


Camille the girl that i love is far away but inside my heart. If Asuman is with full of stars then me too have a love in my heart. Angels guard you my baby, and clouds colored with the color of your heart.
The light of my eyes comes from the brightness of your eyes.
Keep me in ringlets of your hair and leave me there to sleep, do not wake me up.
I smell ur the scent of ur hair becoming a dumb and ur head is on my bosom, ur hands are on my hands, ur eyes are on my eyes and ur sweat mixed to my sweat.



Thread: please translate from english to turkish

1683.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Apr 2007 Sat 11:42 pm

Quoting Una_Chica_Mas:

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T TALKED MUCH, AND I REALLY MISS YOU... I WISH THERE WAS A BETTER WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE MORE... U KNOW IT'S CRAZY HOW WE MEET AND WE STILL TALK.. I JUST HOPE THE DAY WHEN I GET TO SEE YOU GET HERE SOON.. WELL I GUESS THAT'S IF YOU AGREE WITH ME.. .. I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I REALLY CARE FOR YOU.. YOU ARE A GREAT PERSON AND I HOPE YOU STAY THAT WAY.. LOVE AND TAKE CARE



Biliyorum, çok konuşmadık ve gerçekten seni çok özledim...Daha fazla iletişim kurmabilmemiz için daha iyi bir yol olmasını dilerdim... biliyorsun nasıl çılgın bir şekilde tanıştık ve hala konuşuyoruz...sadece seni görebilmek için buraya hemen geleceğin günü ümit ediyorum...Benimle aynı fikirdeysen ,(her şey)iyi sanırım. Ayrıca bilmeni istiyorum ki seni gerçekten önemsiyorum..Sen harika bir kişisin ve umarım hep böyle kalırsın...Sevgilerle ve kendine iyi bak.



Thread: e to t plz

1684.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Apr 2007 Sat 11:33 pm

Quoting sooz:

hey babe, are you ok? just wanted to know why your not answering my calls or txing me back again. im coming to see you in 2 weeks and i want to tell you how excited i am to see you and nervous. cant wait to spend some time with you.

could someone translate to turkish plz xxxx



Hey bebek, iyi misin? sadece aramalarıma neden cevap vermediğini ve tekrar bana geri niye yazmadığını öğrenmek istiyorum. İki hafta içinde seni görmeye geliyorum ve seni görmek için nasıl heyecanlı ve gergin olduğumu sana anlatmak istiyorum. Seninle biraz zaman geçirmek için bekleyemiyorum.



Thread: e - t yardim edebilir misiniz

1685.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 11:34 pm

Quoting paulad:

just a few lines please if anyone has the time, thanks in advance:
I had a great holiday. -

I had a fantastic time in Marmaris-
I always do. -

Marmaris'te inanılmaz güzel zaman geçirdim.
Her zaman yaptığım gibi.
It's getting harder and harder each time for me to leave your brother. I did not want to come home. -

Senden ayrılmak git gide zorlaşıyor kardeşim. Eve dönmek istemiyorum.
This is becomming a habbit. -

Bu alışkanlık olmaya başladı.
My friend has just moved to Armutulan, to live. -
Arkadaşım daha yeni yaşamak için Armutalan'a taşındı.

I can't wait to see (name) again -
(name)i tekrar görmeyi bekleyemeyeceğim.

If you do come to Marmaris in the summer , It would be great to see you again. -

Eğer yazın Marmaris'e gelirsen, seni tekrar görmek harika olur.

I am taking Rebecca with me next time, I know she will love it too. -

Take good care of yourself, hope to see you soon
Say hi to everyone for me. -
Kendine iyi bak, Yakında görüşmek ümidiyle, benim için herkese selam söyle.

Thanks for whoever has the time, and i don't want to ask to much but can you do it as above line by line
çok teşekkür ederim



Thread: Translation pls for eng - tr .....thx...

1686.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 11:09 pm

you'r welcome...



Thread: Translation pls for eng - tr .....thx...

1687.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 10:59 pm

Quoting turkangel:

How do i write this?

"Please delete me (-----@hotmail.com) from your msn messenger list and do not send me messages. I don't want to speak to you anymore ."



Lütfen beni(-----@hotmail.com) msn listenden sil ve bana mesaj yollama. Artık seninle konuşmak istemiyorum.



Thread: eng - turk please...

1688.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 12:58 am

Quoting dagdelen:

i dont want to sound overprotective but...can you remove your msn address from your faceparty website...im not happy at the thought of lots of girls adding you..



Aşırı koruyucu gibi görünmek istemem ama...msn adresini senin 'faceparty' web sitenden kaldırabilirmisin...bir sürü kızın seni ekliyor olabileceği düşÃ¼ncesi beni mutsuz ediyor..



Thread: E 2 T plz

1689.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 12:46 am

Quoting smudge1098:

Sweetness, I am so very very sorry! I have been working lots of crazy shifts and long hours, making me unwell! Believe me I havnt forgotten you i DO miss you very much! Please forgive me, i will make it upto you, i promise!

If you understand the general message i am trying to get across here and there is an easy way to say in Turkish please alter the english text and let me know what the alternative means, Thanks guys!



Tatlım, çok çok üzgünüm!Beni rahatsız(hasta) eden!, uzun saatlerdir ve deli gibi bir sürü vardiyada çalışıyordum. İnan bana seni unutmadım, seni çok özlemekteyim!Lütfen beni affet, bunu telafi edeceğim, söz!



Thread: T 2 E plz

1690.       armegon
1872 posts
 13 Apr 2007 Fri 12:11 am

Quoting smudge1098:

Ben seni çok özledim ama sanirim sen beni hiç özlemedin ;-( küstüm sana

thanku in advance xxx



i missed you so much but i think you never missed me, im offended to you.



Thread: ENGLISH TO TURKISH PLEASE

1691.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2007 Thu 12:45 am

Bir şey değil kate...



Thread: english to turkish please

1692.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2007 Thu 12:39 am

Quoting sam1:

TESEK EDERIM ARMEGON


Rica ederim Sam1...



Thread: ENGLISH TO TURKISH PLEASE

1693.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2007 Thu 12:23 am

Quoting kate4358:

Are you telling me that you cannot open the restuarant in your name because there is a problem with the construction?



İnşaatta sorun olduğu için restoranı kendi adına açamayacağını mı söylüyorsun?



Thread: english to turkish please

1694.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2007 Thu 12:20 am

Quoting sam1:

my love, im not hungry thank you,text me when you set off from work,you have your keys but i will wait up for you.i love you loads



Aşkım, aç değilim teşekkürler, işten (yola)çıkarken bana yaz, anahtarların var ama seni (uyumadan)bekleyeceğim. Seni çokca seviyorum.



Thread: e t t please

1695.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Apr 2007 Thu 12:16 am

Good translation Corina, well done
i wanna correct only one word, the part "saçımı kestim" should be "saçımı kestirdim".



Thread: E-T once again please

1696.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Apr 2007 Wed 07:59 pm

You'r welcome claire21



Thread: quick question

1697.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Apr 2007 Wed 07:58 pm

Quoting kestrel:

could someone tell me why this is split like this?

'gel senden'

I'm assuming there is a reason (and the root verb is gelmek)



i think thats an imperative sentence...
'gel senden' means 'come, from u'.
For example 'Gel senden bir şey isteyeceğim' means 'Come, i will want something from you'



Thread: E-T once again please

1698.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Apr 2007 Wed 07:07 pm

Quoting claire21:

I am sorry i can't help you. I have just had to buy myself a new phone. I thought your phone was broke thats why you did not get in touch for 9 days.


Thank you so much



Özür dilerim, sana yardımcı olamıyorum. Kendime yeni bir telefon almak zorunda kaldım. Senin telefonunun bozulduğunu düşÃ¼ndüm bu yüzden 9 gündür temas kurmadın.



Thread: PLZZZZZZZZZZZ E -T

1699.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Apr 2007 Wed 06:16 pm

Quoting BLUELADY:

I need completly and corect addres, street and nr... also how can i find you when i come there, u must wait me in antalya airport or what? i need something from u for my safe if i come



COK TSKLERRRRRRRRRR



Tam adrese, cadde ismine ihtiyacım var... ayrıca oraya geldiğimde seni nasıl bulabilirim, beni Antalya Havaalanında beklemelisin veya ne? Gelirsem senden güvenilir şeylere ihtiyacım var.



Thread: eng - turk plz...short

1700.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2007 Tue 08:46 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

"i love you so much...never forget that. i cant describe my longing for you"



Seni çok seviyorum...bunu asla unutma. Sana olan özlemimi tarif edemiyorum.



Thread: eng - turk again plz.........

1701.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2007 Tue 08:45 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

you said you were not coming online this week but you came online today. you never reply to my messages. why?


Bu hafta çevrimiçi olmayacağını söylemiştin ama bugün çevrimiçiydin. Mesajlarıma hiç cevap vermedin. Neden?



Thread: eng-tr

1702.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2007 Tue 06:48 pm

Quoting ambertje:

I have send letters to you again. I have send them to your army adress. Did you already recieved some? I just wanted to say that I have been thinking about you all day.



Sana yeniden mektuplar yolladım. Onları senin askerdeki adresine yolladım.Aldın mı bazılarını şimdiden? Sadece bütün gün seni düşÃ¼nüyor olduğumu söylemek istemiştim(istedim).



Thread: tr-eng

1703.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2007 Tue 02:22 am

Quoting LovelyGirl:

evet senden hoþlandým hemde çok ama malesefki seni seyretmemi bile istemiyorlar oysa ben sadece senin yüzünü gülüþünü bakýþýný seyretmek istiyorum nedenini bende bilmiyorum ama çok tatlýsýn çok zarif bi duruþun var herkesten elektrik almam ama senden çok elektrik alýyorum hatta çarpýldým þu an kül halindeyim yazanda benim parmaklarým deðil


one more help please ,thanks



Yes, i love(like) you actually so much but unfortunately they dont even want me to watch you however i just want you to watch your face, your smile,your look.i dont know why but you are so sweet and you have got so kind(elegant)posture(stand), i dont take electric from everyone but i took very much from you in fact i became shocked with your electric, at the moment i became ash and not my fingers writing.



Thread: Eng - Turk plse

1704.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 02:21 pm

You'r welcome...



Thread: Proverbs

1705.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 02:19 pm

i know a few of them but some are not proverbs...

4-Borçlu güle güle gider,ağlaya ağlaya gelir.
8-İstanbul'un taşı toprağı altındır.(not a proverb)
9-Ev alma komşu al.
14-Ne zaman?Balık kavağa çıktığı zaman.(not a proverb)
15-İki dinle bir konuş.
19-Yedisinde neyse yetmişinde de odur.



Thread: turk - eng translation plse

1706.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 02:15 pm

Quoting sasi:

im sorry in advance as i believe amina koyim is a swear word



yes, a swear word , he/she swears who tells something about him/her to you. And he/she says that nothing changed in his/her life, and says that everything the same.



Thread: Eng - Turk translation please XXXXX

1707.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 01:51 pm

Quoting Jasmin747:

You are my everything and i am sorry i cant help you more. You understand why!! i have posted something for you i hope it helps a little. Its not what i wanted to send but its the best i can do at the moment. I would give you my world if i could.



Sen benim her şeyimsin ve üzgünüm sana daha fazla yardımcı olamadığım için. Nedenini anlıyorsun!! Senin için bir şey yolladım, umarım biraz yardımı olur. Yollamak istediğim bu değildi ancak şu anda elimden gelenin en iyisi bu. Yapabilsem sana dünyamı verirdim.



Thread: English to Turkish please

1708.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 01:49 pm

Rica ederim sparkle



Thread: Eng - Turk plse

1709.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 01:48 pm

Quoting sasi:

Why is it you dont talk to me and tell me what is happening in your life, being so far away from you is hard enough, but when other people tell me things about you that i dont know it hurts me, somethings im am told make me have bad thoughts about you. I just want you to be open and honest with me, there is never a need for any lies between us.



Niye böyle benimle konuşmuyorsun ve anlat bana hayatında neler oluyor, senden çok uzakta bulunmak yeteri kadar zor, fakat diğer insanların senin hakkında bilmediğim şeyleri anlatması, beni incitiyor, bazı anlatılanlar senin hakkında kötü düşÃ¼nmeme sebep oluyor. Senden sadece bana karşı açık ve dürüst olmanı istiyorum, aramızda katiyen birazcık da olsa yalanlara ihtiyaç yok.



Thread: English to Turkish please

1710.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 01:44 pm

Quoting sparkle:

Please can anyone translate this to Turkish thank you:

Listen to this. Where do I recognise this music from? I'm sure I heard it with you, but why do I know it?



Bunu dinle. Nereden tanıyorum ben bu müziği? Eminim seninle iken dinlemiştim, ama bunu niçin(nasıl) biliyorum?



Thread: turk - eng

1711.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 12:26 am

msn ne 1 hafta boyunca giremiyorum yine

i cant(am not be able to) enter to msn during one week again...

you are nearly right also...



Thread: TURKISH TO ENGLISH PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

1712.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2007 Sun 12:04 am

you'r welcome sam...



Thread: Please eng - tur

1713.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 11:57 pm

Quoting farmor:

çok teşekkür ederim
sen bir meleksin!


rica ederim, iltifatın için teşekkürler



Thread: TURKISH TO ENGLISH PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

1714.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 11:53 pm

Quoting sam1:

iyi aksamlar canim bizde sizinle tanismak icin sabirsizlanlyoruz aleynayi ve seni cok merak ediyoruz sizi cok seviyorum haziran'da gorusuruz optum



Good evening my sweetheart, we too are impatient to recognize you. We wonder so much about you and Aleyna, we love you so much, we'll see eachother on June,i kiss(kissed) you.



Thread: Please eng - tur

1715.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 11:41 pm

Quoting farmor:

You stoled my heart 2 years ago and still have it. I want you to keep it forever. Hot kisses.



Kalbimi iki yıl önce çaldın ve hala ona sahipsin. Senden onu sonsuza kadar saklamanı istiyorum. Sıcak (içten) öpücükler.



Thread: if i want....

1716.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 06:20 pm

Her şey en hayırlısı(en iyisi) için olacaktır.



Thread: English to Turkish... please

1717.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 01:38 am

Quoting mj06:

I miss you so much... you have no idea!! I wish I could wake up next to you every morning. I want to be with you. I can't wait until I see you again!! Thank you for all the great moments you gave me!!

thank you in advance to who translates this!! =)



Seni çok özlüyorum...Senin hiçbir fikrin yok!!Keşke her sabah senin yanında uyanabilsem. Seninle birlikte olmak istiyorum. Seni tekrar görünceye kadar bekleyemeyeceğim!! Bana verdiğin(yaşattığın) bütün harika anlar için teşekkürler!!



Thread: T-E Pleeeeease!

1718.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 01:18 am

Quoting missalkemisten:

Thanks armegon! have a great evening!



Rica ederim



Thread: please translate these 2 to me

1719.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 01:16 am

Quoting catgirl:

ellerin yok yanimda..
soguk bir yatak sensizligin golgesinde
sen gulum sen gulen yuzum
gidersen gider bu ay gider ruyalar
sen gulum sen gulen yuzum




kulağıns fısıldağım bu şarkı bana öle haz veriyor ki



your hands are not with me..
a cold bed is under the shadow of your absence
you are my rose, you are my smiling face
if you go, this moon goes, these dreams go
you are my rose, you are my smiling face

This song which i whispered to you ear ,gives me much pleasure(delight).



Thread: E-T please

1720.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Apr 2007 Sat 01:10 am

Quoting claire21:

Sorry you are bored i thought you would be busy now. It feels a very long time since we have seen each other, but it won't be long now.Becky is arriving tonight, i wish it was me. Why don't you come on MSN and we could talk more, Mustafa could tell you. I really miss you to.



Thank you very much



(...).Birbirimizi gördüğümüzden beri çok uzun zaman olmuş gibi hissediliyor, ama şimdi(artık) uzun zaman olmayacak. Becky bu gece geliyor, onun ben olmasını dilerdim. Neden MSN’e gelmiyorsun ve(böylece) daha çok konuşabiliriz. Mustafa sana anlatabilir. Ben de hakikaten seni özledim.

i cant understand the first sentence well;
1)if it is "sorry, you are bored i thought, you would be busy now",then (...) can be "Özür dilerim, sıkıldığını düşÃ¼nmüştüm,şimdi meşgulsün."
2)if it is "sorry,you are bored, i thought you would be busy now",then (...)can be "Özür dilerim, sıkkınsın, meşgul olabileceğini düşÃ¼nmüştüm."



Thread: eng-tr

1721.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Apr 2007 Fri 07:15 pm

Quoting ambertje:

Thank you so much Faruk.

I meant except not expect.


should it be "accept" or "expect"?

my try;

Neden

Neden kendime sorduğum soru. Muhtemelen bunu kendime çok sık soruyorum. Ama neden? Neden hayatım sadece kolay olamıyor? Neden her zaman zor yolu seçmek zorundayım? Neden hep hayatımda zorluklar ortaya çıkar?Neden?Neden uzun süre beklemem gerek? Neden sevdiğim kişiyle beraber olamıyorum? Neden? İstediğimiz kadar dua edebiliriz ancak Tanrı bu yolda gitmeme karar verdi benim için. İstediğim kadar çok dua edebilirim ancak bu yol benim için seçilmiş. Bunu değiştirmek istiyorum ve uğraşıyorum. Ama muhtemelen kabul etmeniz gerekir ki hayat bu yoldan ilerliyor. Ve “neden” diye sormayı unut…



Thread: T-E Pleeeeease!

1722.       armegon
1872 posts
 06 Apr 2007 Fri 06:45 pm

Quoting missalkemisten:

Düsündügüm yerdesin asklimdasin ve unutulmuyorsun, mesafelaer önemli degil, paylastigimiz gökyüzü yeter.

A thousand thanks to the kind translater!



You are at the place where i thought, you are in my mind and you are not being forgotten, distances are not important, the sky that we share is enough.



Thread: 1 MORE PLEASE

1723.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 10:32 pm

you'r welcome...



Thread: 1 MORE PLEASE

1724.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 10:21 pm

Quoting kate4358:

Hani geçen o gece varya. Hani beni yerden yere vurdunya. Vurduguna deyil en çok kalbimi inçiltin. Sana dayima sevdim. O gün bir tek seni kaybetmekten korktum.



remember(you know) that night which passed. remember(you know) u banged me to the floor(by words).you hurt my heart rather than banging me.i always love u. That day i was frightened of losing you.



Thread: translation please

1725.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 09:54 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

hi hope you are well... i took your advice and told ali i was prepared to do what kadriye has done..You are right she has lost nothing i dont mind as long as im part of his life...but its no use he wants me out of his life completely



merhaba, umarım iyisinizdir... tavsiyenizi aldım ve Ali'ye anlattım, Kadriye'nin yaptığını yapmaya hazırlanıyordum...Sen haklısın o hiç bir şey kaybetmedi, onun hayatının bir parçası olduğum sürece aldırmıyorum...Ama beni tamamen hayatından çıkarmayı istemedikçe bir yararı yok.



Thread: ''Take Care yourself well''

1726.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 09:43 pm

Quoting metehan2001:

Yukardaki başlık, zihnimde bir şeyler çağrıştırdı. Her ne kadar klipteki aşkla bağlantılı ayrılık temasına uymasa da düşÃ¼ncelerimi paylaşmak istedim.

Dünyada, iletişim imkanları gelişip yaygınlaştıkça, kültürel alıverişlerde yoğunlaşıyor. ŞÃ¼phesiz bu durum, güçlü olanın lehine işliyor. Yeni gelen, önceden mevcut olanlardan birisini zaman içinde varlık alanının dışına itiyor.
Eskiden, Türkçede en yaygı veda özcüğü, 'Allahaısmarladık' idi. Ayrılan, geride kalana 'Allahaısmarladık'; geride kalan ise, ayrılana 'Güle güle' derdi. Öncekinin manası, 'Ben, gidiyorum. Bundan sonra senin yanında olamayacağım. Bu yüzden, seni Allah'a emanet ediyorum!' demekti. Sonraki ifade ise, 'Bizim için üzülme. Gülümseyerek, için rahat olarak git. Çünkü, sen bizi Tanrı'ya emanet ettin ve O, bizi en iyi şekilde koruyacaktır.' anlamına geliyordu. Bu geleneksel vedalaşmanın temelinde, inanç sistemi yatıyordu. Buna göre, bir kişi, geride kalacak değerli emanetlerini ancak 'en iyi koruyucuya' bırakabilirdi. O da ancak, Allah olabilirdi. Tanrı'nın korumasına sığınmadan, kişinin kendisini bizzat koruması, 'kendine iyi bakması' eskilerin anlayamayacağı şeylerdi. Onlara göre, Tanrı'nın koruması olmazsa, siz, evinizde güven içinde otururken, birden, bir deprem olmasını; sağlığınıza ve beslenmenize aşırı dikkat gösterirken ve her gün spor yaparken, aniden kanser oluvermenizi nasıl engelleyebilirdiniz ki?
Bu yüzden, eskiden, birisi ayrılırken, geride kalanlara 'Allahaısmarladık' derdi. Onları, Allah'a ısmarlar ve emanet ederdi. Şimdilerde,insanları, İngilizceden Türkçeye çevirdiğimiz bir ifadeyle 'kendi kendilerine' ısmarlıyor ve emanet ediyor; onlara 'kendilerine iyi bakmalarını' söylüyoruz. Yirmi, yirmi beş yıl öncesine kadar yazılmış eserlere, yayınlanmış gazete ve dergilere bir göz atın, kesinlikle 'Kendine iyi bak!' şeklinde bir ifadeye rastlayamazsınız.

Kendinize iyi bakın, arkadaşlar!



vay hocam ne güzel anlatmışsın mevzuyu, teşekkürler

Benimde zaten hiç kanım ısınmamıştı bu 'kendine iyi bak' cümlesine, biri bana 'kendine iyi bak' dedim mi, benim de 'sanane ister bakarım, ister bakmam' diyesim geliyordu ya hep içimden şakayla karışık neyse...



Thread: translation lutfen

1727.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 09:31 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:

time goes so quickly I cant believe Busra is 2 already..in a few weeks Leyla will be 2 and Ayse will be 4 ..Last night I was looking at some photos of you and summeye that Cumaali gave to me when me and him first got together and both of you are so little..Now you are both young beautiful women... .



Zaman çok hızlı geçiyor,inanamıyorum Büşra neredeyse 2 yaşında...birkaç hafta içinde Leyla 2 Ayşe 4 olacak...Dün gece, Cumali'nin bana verdiği benim ve onun ilk kez bir araya geldiği ve ikinizin de çok küçük olduğu, senin ve Sümeyye'nin bazı fotoğraflarına bakıyordum. Şimdi ikiniz de genç güzel hanımlarsınız.



Thread: E to T please

1728.       armegon
1872 posts
 05 Apr 2007 Thu 05:57 pm

Quoting parisisbeautifu:

Nights without you are longer. I wanna fall asleep in your arms once again and forever.

Thanks a lot!


Sensiz geceler daha uzun. Kollarında bir kere daha ve sonsuza kadar uykuya dalmak istiyorum.



Thread: I'd really appreciate your kindness (E-T) help PLS

1729.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 06:37 pm

Quoting ay07:


Thank u so much!!! U always help me, it's very kind of you... sağ ol!!!!!



Bir şey değil, have a nice day



Thread: please translate Eng - Turk thanks alot xxx

1730.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 06:36 pm

Quoting Jasmin747:


To the one i love on your birthday
Doğum gününde sevdiğime

This heart of mine does somersaults,
Each time we share a kiss,
It makes me feel so wounderful,
To have a love like this.

Bu kalp seni için atıyor(takla atıyor)
Her zaman seninle bir buse(öpücük) paylaştık
Kendimi harika hissettiriyor
Böyle bir aşkı yaşamak


Some people give love freely,
Asking nothing in return,
Their hearts are full of kindness,
Undersatanding and concern.

Bazıları bolca aşk verir
Hiçbir karşılık beklemeden
Kalpleri şefkat doludur
Alakalı ve anlayışlı


Thats how i think of you my love,
I feel truely blessed,
I love you more each passing day,
to me you are the best.

İşte ben seni bu şekilde hayal ediyorum aşkım
Resmen kutlu(mübarek) hissediyorum kendimi
Her geçen gün seni daha çok seviyorum
Bana göre sen en iyisin


Have a great birthday, love you always
Mutlu doğum günleri, seni hep seven



Thread: big mix-up ...i dont speek turkish and they dont speek english (but try)please could you help

1731.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 06:26 pm

Quoting oliveoil:


silme silme
bugun gulme gunum daha yazabilirsin simdi sen olmadiginmi idda edeceksin bana
seni yazdiklarini anlayabilecek kadar oysa ben senin buradan yazdinin tek bir
cunle icin aramistim ama sen
devam halindesin
en iyisi kavga baslamadan
sana ii egceler aynem sorry



dont erase, dont erase
today is my day of laughing,u can write further,now will u claim to me that it wasnt you,i can understand what u have written, however i called u because of one sentence that u wrote here, but u continue, its better i leave here before the quarrel(fight) begins, good night to u aynem, sorry..



Thread: please help me e-t

1732.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 06:24 pm

Quoting nikiti:

Wonderful things are carefully created by God,
wonderful moments are carefully planned by God
and wonderful people like YOU are carefully chosen
by God, to enrich my life..



Harika şeyler titizce Tanrı tarafından yaratılır, Harika anlar titizce Tanrı tarafından planlanır ve Senin gibi harika insanlar hayatımı zenginleştirmek için titizce Tanrı tarafından seçilir.



Thread: I'd really appreciate your kindness (E-T) help PLS

1733.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 06:21 pm

Quoting ay07:


PLEASE, PLS,PLS be so kind & help

I was very happy to see your email, and your surprice. Words can't really explain my feelings... It would be much more better to jump into your arms and give you a big big big big kiss... I'm not saying that I miss you now, because I miss you always when I can't feel you next to me . I wanna give u kisses all day & night -even when u say sometimes it's 'ayip' -
Your photo was so sweet. (and the special one also)
But please smile darling because then my day will shine more than the sun...



E-postanı gördüğümde çok mutlu olmuştum, ve senin sürprizin. Kelimeler gerçekten duygularımı açıklayamaz...Kollarını atlayıp sana kocaman bir öpücük verebilmek çok daha iyi olurdu...Şimdi seni özlediğimi söylemiyorum çünkü seni yanımda hissetmediğim her an seni özlüyorum. Bütün gün ve gece sana öpücükler vermek istiyorum - hatta bazen senin o 'ayıp' dediğinde bile
Resmin çok tatlı. (ve ayrıca özel olan).Ama sevgilim lütfen gülümse çünkü sonra benim günüm güneşten daha çok parlıyor...



Thread: eng to turkish translation lutfen

1734.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 01:02 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

Happy 2nd Birthday to Busra for tomorrow I hope all of you are well.



Büşra 2.(ikinci) doğum günün kutlu olsun yarın için umarım hepiniz iyisinizdir.



Thread: translation lutfen

1735.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 01:00 pm

Quoting lauraacorah:

I know you dont have any contact with me anymore because of everything that has happened between me and your uncle ..I dont expect you to contact me if that puts you into a difficult situation but you should know that....I am not the enemy I love your uncle more than anything and would do anything for him...im not the one who is ending the marriage its the last thing i want to happen. Nomatter what i will always be there for him ... and the same goes for any of the family too if anybody ever needed my help for anything I would be there for them too.



Biliyorum amcanla ve benim aramızda olanlardan dolayı artık benimle herhangi bir irtibatın yok(irtibat kurmak istemiyorsun)...Bu seni zor bir duruma sokacağı için benimle irtibat kuracağını ummuyorum ancak bunu bilmelisin...Ben düşman değilim amcanı herşeyden çok seviyorum ve onun için herşey yapabilirim...Evliliği bitiren ben değilim, bu en son istediğim şey. Buna rağmen her zaman onun için orada olacağım... ve aile için de aynı şey geçerli, eğer birisinin bile bir şey için yardmıma ihtiyacı olsa, onlar için de orada olurum.



Thread: E TO T,thanks......

1736.       armegon
1872 posts
 04 Apr 2007 Wed 12:45 pm

Quoting evaz4u:

baba,i dont understand why he dont want me?we are together about 1 year,we love each other.problem is only i know he talk with zumra,talk about lover can talk things.i say to he,you agree me later time you never with zumra talk,i can forget allthings.but he say me he cant!
baba,can you ask he what's he really idea?



Baba beni neden istemediğini anlamıyorum. Bir yıldır beraberiz, birbirimizi seviyoruz. Benim bildiğim sorun sadece onun Zumra ile konuşması,???aşık hakkında konuşabilmesi. Ona söyledim, sonra sende bana katılacaksın, sen hiç zumra ile konuşmadın, herşeyi unutabilirim. Ama o unutamayacağını söylüyor.

Baba, ona sorabilirmisin şimdi düşÃ¼ncesi(fikri) nedir?



Thread: E-T please

1737.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 10:05 pm

Quoting missalkemisten:

Thousand thanks armegon. Have a great evening


You'r welcome, i made a small mistake and just modified it...



Thread: E-T please

1738.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 09:40 pm

Quoting missalkemisten:

Pia has her own hotel in Marmaris. I just bought an airline ticket to Marmaris to be with you..2 weeks from 22 June.

I just wanted to stay in a nice place together with you and relax. It doesnt have to be expensive.I work very very hard all year and take care of so many people. I want to stay somewere nice and at the same time be near Pia so we can shop and sunbath while you are sleeping during the day.Hope that you understand!


Sorry! its a bit long. A thousand thanks in advance



Pia'nın Marmaris'te kendi oteli var. Ben sadece seninle birlikte olmak için Marmaris'e havayolu bileti aldım..22 hazirandan 2 hafta.

Sadece seninle birlikte güzel bir yerde kalıp dinlenmek istiyorum. Pahalı olmak zorunda değil. Bütün yıl çok çok sıkı çalıştım ve birçok insanla ilgilendim. Güzel bir yerde kalmak ve aynı zamanda Pia'ya yakın olmak istiyorum. Böylece sen gün boyunca uyurken, biz alışveriş yapıp güneşlenebiliriz. Umarım anlarsın!



Thread: can you check my translation?

1739.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 09:31 pm

Quoting kestrel:

yasadimi gunleri unutamiyorum

....I don't forget the days.....something?

resimleri yolaskim msn

send a picture 'my love' on msn?

If you want to apologize for being slow is it-
"uzgunum, ben yavas" or close to that?

Thanks for the help. Turkish can be confusing!


yaşadığım günleri unutamıyorum.
i cant(am not be able to) forget the days that i lived.
resimleri yolla aşkım msnden
send the pictures my love on msn
eğer yavaş olduğun(yavaşlık) için özür dilemek istiyorsan
if you want to apologize for being slow



Thread: Eng to turkish

1740.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 09:23 pm

Quoting bharalanga:

there are 6 billion people in the world
but i dont know why i keep missing you
maybe the 5,999,999,999 cant replace a special person like you
i miss you



Dünyada 6 milyar insan var fakat ben seni niye özleyip durduğumu bilmiyorum. Belki de diğer 5.999.999.999un senin gibi özel birinin yerine geçemeyeceğindendir.
Seni özlüyorum.



Thread: translation lutfen

1741.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 07:34 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

I gave you my everything, but my everything was never enough for you...sometimes you have got to be happy with what you have got instead of always wanting more



Sana herşeyimi verdim, ama (benim) herşeyim senin için asla yeterli olmadı...Bazen daha fazlasını istemek yerine, elinde olanlarla mutlu olmalısın.



Thread: Eng- turkish translation!!

1742.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 07:21 pm

Quoting Kelebek:

If it helps I wanna let you know that I am tryin to answer saka yapmistim.tas kalplinin tekiyim zaten
So I want to say:

I do not like stone hearts! No one likes stone hearts! I am sure someone made your heart stone! because we all have soft hearts to begin with! I wish you luck with making your heart soft again!!


Can anyone help?



Taş kalplilerden hoşlanmam!Kimse hoşlanmaz(taş kalplilerden)!Eminim birisi seni taş kalpli yapmıştır! çünkü hepimiz yumuşak kalpli olarak hayata başlarız!Kalbini tekrar yumuşatmanda sana şans dilerim!!



Thread: english to turkish please

1743.       armegon
1872 posts
 03 Apr 2007 Tue 07:15 pm

Quoting anna06:

sorry i haven't been in touch with you, its just if i dont send you text to say what is wrong then i feel i am not trobling you, i hope you are ok, and i hope your mum is getting well in the hospital, as you know i worry about you all, i love you and take care.x


özür dilerim, seninle temasa geçemedim, sadece eğer sana neyin yanlış olduğunu söylemek için yazı(mesay) yollamasaydım,sonra seninle sorun yaşıyormuş gibi hissederdim. Umarım iyisindir ve umarım hastanedeki annen iyileşiyordur, bildiğin gibi senin hakkındaki herşey hakkında endişeleniyorum, seni seviyorum ve kendine iyi bak.



Thread: ENG - TURK PLEASE LUTFEN

1744.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 11:34 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

I hate not speaking to you because it makes me feel even more distant from you. i wish i had your company right now! Its not long now until we can be together in july, im so excited, its all i think about!



Seninle konuşamamaktan nefret ediyorum çünkü bu senin benden daha da uzakta olduğunu hissetmemi sağlıyor. Şu anda sana eşlik edebilmeyi dilerdim. Temmuzda beraber olabilmemize, (artık) şimdi uzun zaman yok, çok heyecanlıyım, düşÃ¼ndüğüm tek şey bu!



Thread: Turkish to english

1745.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 11:18 pm

Quoting *bluebunny*:

töbe töbe



repentance,repentance

*its used in turkish when u say or do smth bad, u swear(promise) to God not to do it again.



Thread: eng-tr again

1746.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 11:11 pm

Quoting ambertje:

Tell me, what did you wanted to say me to me but did not say?


Anlat bana, bana söylemek isteyip de söyleyemediğin nedir?



Thread: T to E translation please

1747.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 11:08 pm

Let me try;

Quoting mumsy:

Please can anyone help with the following songs translation.

Dön Bebeğim
Return My Baby

Yeni bir gün doğuyor
Yine yoksun yanımda
Zavallı gönlüm
Mahkumum yalnızlığa

Again a new day is born
Again you are not with me(near to me)
My poor feelings
I'm captive to loneliness.



Yapayalnız yaşıyorum
Ruhumla baş başa
Karanlıklar içinden
Haykırıyorum son defa

I'm Living all alone
With my soul only
From the darkness inside
Im crying out last times


Dön
Dön bebeğim
Ne olursun dön
Dön kollarıma

Return
Return my Baby
I beg you return
Return to my arms


Yine bir gün batıyor
Yine gözyaşlarımla
Zavallı gönlüm ağlıyor
Sensizlik çok zor bana

Again a new day is ending
Again with my tears
My poor feelings crying
Your Absence (is)too hard for me



Thanks in advance


ps:the word 'gönül' has no meaning in english maybe translated as 'inner feelings'



Thread: English to Turkish pretty please

1748.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 05:41 pm

You'r welcome sparkle, Have a lovely week too



Thread: What are you listening now?

1749.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 05:38 pm

Candan Erçetin-Zeytinyağlı Yiyemem Aman



Thread: E 2 T trans please

1750.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 05:27 pm

Quoting shehzad:

selam aleiküm yardım lütfen !translate in turkish' translate in turkish',' servent',' slave',' slavery',' think( thought)','city'... teşekür ederem



ve aleyküm selam...
servant: hizmetçi, uşak
slave: köle, esir
slavery: kölelik
think(thought): düşÃ¼nmek(düşÃ¼nce)



Thread: eng-tr an other one

1751.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 10:07 am

you'r welcome!



Thread: eng-tr an other one

1752.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 10:03 am

Quoting ambertje:

There was so much I wanted to say to you. But I didn't know how to say it.



Sana söylemek istediğim çok şey vardı. Fakat nasıl söyleyeceğimi bilemedim.



Thread: quick eng to tur

1753.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 10:00 am

Quoting TeresaJana:

How do you say: I am impressed. I am grateful.

Is it: ben tesirim and ben minnettarum?

Thank you



can also be;

Etkilendim. (Ben) minnetarım.



Thread: eng-tr one line\

1754.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 09:57 am

Sesini tekrar duymak beni çok mutlu etti.



Thread: e to t,thanks

1755.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 09:56 am

Quoting evaz4u:

baba,levent want with zumra together,he dont want me.we are say good-bye,baba.
with you talk i'm very happy,sorry,i make you worry me.
baba,we never meeting,but i know you are a good baba.hope later time we can meeting!



Baba, Levent Zumra'yla beraber olmak istiyor, beni istemiyor. Birbirimize hoşÃ§akal dedik, baba. Seninle konuşmak beni çok mutlu ediyor, seni endişelendirdiysem özür dilerim. Baba biz seninle hiç buluşmadık, ama senin iyi bir baba olduğunu biliyorum. Umarım ileride buluşabiliriz.



Thread: English to Turkish pretty please

1756.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Apr 2007 Mon 09:52 am

Quoting sparkle:

I have decided to visit the place where you were born this summer. This may seem strange given we are no longer together and that I have no money, but I have realised this is the last time I will be able to visit there. You told me that it is your favourite place in the world and I feel I have to see it. Before I return to England I may visit Zeynep. If I do, it would be nice to meet up with you. I don't want to cause you any problems, but it would be nice to meet up for an hour or two.


Thank you in advance for any help



Bu yaz senin doğduğun yeri ziyaret etmeye karar verdim. Param olmamasına ve beraber olmamamıza rağmen bu sana garip gelebilir, ancak anladım ki bu benim için son fırsat orayı ziyaret edebilmek için. Bana dünyadaki en gözde yerinin orası olduğunu söylemiştin ve orayı görmem gerektiğini hissettim. İngiltere’ye dönmeden önce Zeynep’i ziyaret edebilirim. Eğer olursa, seninle buluşmak hoş olacak(olurdu). Sana sorun çıkarmak istemem, ama bir iki saat buluşmak hoş olacak.



Thread: turk -eng plz...

1757.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Apr 2007 Sun 10:29 am

Quoting dagdelen:

kizim ne iin var madem burak den bakasn görmüyo gözün bide birlikte olmak için neeli bir kzm demisin sen türk örf ve adetlerini bilmiyon galiba bas gaza dehde kuzum



Kızım ne işin var madem buraktan başkasını gözün görmüyor. Bir de birlikte olmak için neşeli bir kızım demişsin.Sen Türk örf ve adetlerini bilmiyorsun galiba, bas gaza "deh" de kuzum...


what's your point then if ur eyes dont see anyone else Burak. u also said "im a joful girl to be with together". i think(suppose) u dont know Turkish customs and traditions..go ur way(last sentence is not literally but means smth like that)



Thread: english to turkish plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

1758.       armegon
1872 posts
 01 Apr 2007 Sun 10:23 am

Quoting sam1:

hello how are you?hows everyone?what you up to today?aleyna didnt sleep to well last nite and she woke up at 4.30 wouldnt go back to sleep.i have got tomorrow night off work and levent off tomorrow i think.we are going to buy you a laptop computer in next few weeks.send my love to everyone and say hello to everyone.love samantha



Merhaba, nasılsın?Herkes nasıl?Senden ne haberler var bugün?aleyna dün gece iyi uyumadı, 4.30 da uyandı bir daha uyumadı. Yarın gece ben çalışmıyorum ve yarın levent çalışmıyor sanırım. Önümüzdeki birkaç hafta içinde sana dizüstü bilgisayar alacağız. Herkese selamlar, sevgiler. Sevgilerle samantha



Thread: Luten help very urgent translation from T-E please

1759.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 07:27 pm

Quoting Nisreen:

Bir avuc dua,bir kucak sevgi,bir sicak mesaj kapatir mesafeleri birlestirir gonulleri,kalbiniz nur haneniz huzur,kandiliniz mubarek olsun



One handful pray, one armful love, one warm message decrease the distance, unite feelings, May ur heart be full of light, ur home be full of peace, ur kandil be blessed.



Thread: Some more sentances, corrections please!

1760.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 04:43 pm

Quoting oreniyorum8:

hehe.. ok thanks. Well my prounounciation of words is getting a lot better, whenever I go out I always try to speak Turkish and people seem to understand me, my turkish is of course a little broken but I am doing ok, i seem to understand more than what I can speak but i am guessing this comes with more time.
I try to copy what i hear and i listen to turkish casettes and tv a lot so this also helps me.



That good, practicing with turkish people makes it better...
İyi çalışmalar



Thread: Some more sentances, corrections please!

1761.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 04:31 pm

Quoting oreniyorum8:

seni çok saol, bir az daha çaliştim bugün.

I will work more on my sentance arrangements and suffix's.

Can i just ask, Would i be understood in most situations with how I am going at the moment? or would my sentances and grammer confuse a turkish native?



you would be understood well i think...for your second question no, there are also many turkish people who dont speak well .
hows ur pronounciation?



Thread: turk - eng please....

1762.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 04:11 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

aşKım
selam nasılsın?? ben cok iyiyim aşkım thnx sınavarımda iyi geçiyoor. anneannen için cook üzüldÜm aşKım onu benim için öpüverr. sende kendini fazla sıkma aşkım hastalık bu geçer.
evet bence sen bi delisin çünkü buraya taşınmak çok önemli ve büyük bir karar bunu sende biliyosunn neyse aşKım msn de yoqsun bugun akşam msn ne gelirim seniii coook seviıyorumm aşkımkib öptüM heryerini



My try:

my love, hi how how are you? im very good my love thanks my exams are going well. i am very upset for your grandmother my love kiss her for me.


i couldnt do the rest. someone please correct me and translate it for me?



the parts u translated are ok...

Dont make urself too sad, thats illness, will recover.

yes, you are crazy becausing moving to here is very important and a big decision you know that also, anyway my love you are not on msn,i will come to msn tonight,i love u so much, i kiss everywhere of yours.



Thread: English to Turkish please. Thank you in advance

1763.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 03:18 pm

Quoting minimay:

I am sorry I upset you.I was going to cancel my holiday but I will come and see you and we can talk about everything.I will bring a dictionary.
today I will put the past behind and look forward to the future.
I am working today so tomorrow is better for internet


Seni üzdüğüm için özür dilerim. tatilimi iptal edecektim ama geleceğim ve seni göreceğim ve her şey hakkında konuşabiliriz. Bir sözlük getireceğim. Bugün geçmişi geriye koyacağım (geride bırakacağım) ve geleceğe bakacağım.

Bugün çalışıyorum yarın internet için daha iyi olur.



Thread: If someone up to translation to english

1764.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 01:11 pm

Quoting Gul Canim:

I love this song, but i only understand some lines.
I hope someone can help me translating!!!
Greatly appreciated

İhtiyacım var sevilmeye
Eskisinden daha çok
Yakınken bile uzaktasın
Bedenin burda ruhun yok

i need to be loved
more than earlier
You are far when you are also near
your body is here,you soul not


İçimdeki çocuk yorgun
Aşk için şehit oldu
İnandığım ne varsa
Senle birlikte yok oldu

The child in me is tired
Died because of love
All the things i believed
perished with you

Korkmuyorum aynalardan
Suçlu ben miyim ?
Senden umudum yok zaten
Ben yeter miyim ?

im not afraid of mirrors
Am i guilty?
i have already no hope from you
Am i enough?



Thread: E-T if anyone can please

1765.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 12:59 pm

Quoting claire21:

Good morning, hows it going with you. Only another few days and its all open, you will be really buzy then.


Thank you



Günaydın, nasıl gidiyor(seninle)?. Sadece diğer birkaç gün ve orası hep açık, sonra sen gerçekten meşgul olacaksın.



Thread: Some more sentances, corrections please!

1766.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Mar 2007 Sat 12:55 pm

1. Makyaja ihtiyacın yok çünkü zaten güzelsin.
2.Şarkı söylememi beğendin mi?Ben iyi olduğunu düşÃ¼ndüm(düşÃ¼nmüştüm).
3.Dün için teşekkür etmek istedim,ben iyi zaman geçirdim.
4.Bu dünyada asla yeterli zaman yoktur.
5.çarşıya gidiyorum,(sen) benimle gel.
6.Siyah ayakkabımı giymek isterdim ama on(ları )u bulamadım.

suffix errors and sentence arranging errors but i think ur turkish is fine, congrats



Thread: Can someone check these for me please

1767.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 06:10 pm

Quoting oreniyorum8:

Im having a real hard time putting even simple sentances into text. Can someone please check these and see where I am going wrong. thank you.

Arkadaşım evden ben evime gittim
I went from my friends house to my house

Ceketim denedim ama ceketi çok kücük
I tried my jacket but the jacket was too small

Sokağa baktim köpegim bulmak
I looked at the street to find my dog

Gülmedim cünkü mutlumudum
I didnt smile because i wasnt happy

Pantalonlar olmak istiyorum ama param yeter değil.
I wanted to buy trousers but my money wasnt enough.

Thanks in advance



1.Arkadaşımın evinden (kendi) evime gittim.
2.Ceketimi denedim ama ceket çok küçüktü.
3.Köpeğimi bulmak için sokağa baktım.
4.Gülmedim çünkü mutsuzdum(mutlu değildim).
5.Pantolon almak istedim ama param yeterli değildi.



Thread: e-t please

1768.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 05:58 pm

Quoting kissturk:

Askim, he did it 2 times, i clsoed the cam once and said stop or i would tell you, then he did it again. He kept telling me not to tell you, i want you to know its bad what he did, he should respect you and me. I am very angry with him and i will not talk to him again!



Aşkım, iki kere yaptı onu, bir keresinde kamerayı kapattım ve durmasını veya sana söyleyeceğimi söyledim, sonra yeniden yaptı. Sana söylemememi istememediğini anlatmayı(söylemeyi) sürdürdü, bilmeni istiyorum ki yaptığı kötüydü, sana ve bana saygı duymalı. Ona çok kızgınım ve bir daha onunla konuşmayacağım!



Thread: eng-tr difficult one

1769.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 12:36 am

Quoting ambertje:

Hello there, can someone translate this for me. It is about two stones.

Jade:
A Stone of wisdom and justice
“Jade” is the symbol of mercy, altruistic, wisdom and courage. It is a powerful and symbol of balance.
The green “Jade” radiates harmony and helps people who act sometimes to much in the spiritual way, who feel out of balance, to find back their equilibrium.
It is a stone of protection.
Looking at the green of the stone makes you already calm

Yeşim Taşı:

Adalet ve ilim taşı

“Yeşim Taşı” merhametin, özverinin, ilimin ve cesaretin sembolüdür. Dengenin güçlü sembolüdür.
Yeşil “Yeşim Taşı” ahenk ve uyum yayar ve ruhsal yönde bazen çok hareket eden, kendisini dengesiz hisseden ve dengesini tekrar bulmaya çalışan insanlara yardım eder.
Koruma taşıdır.
Taşın yeşil rengine bakmak sizi sakinleştirir.



“Mountain crystal”
A Stone of confidence and new energy.
It will help you get a good balance, concentration and a clear mind.
The stone tries to hold the balance between body and mind, and tries to recover if there are any worries between them.
It is a clear stone, the more clear the more beautiful it is.
It is a sanitary stone, it counteracts the negative feelings. That is why a “Mountain crystal” is suitable to set in a open place. A “Mountain crystal” helps you to make contact with your own intuition and sensitivity. So you can make better choices for your self.

“Dağ Kristali”
Yeni bir enerji ve güven taşı.
Temiz bir zihin, konsantrasyon ve iyi bir denge elde etmenize yardımcı olur.
Taş vücut ve zihin arasındaki dengenin kurulmasına çalışır, ve eğer aralarında bir sıkıntı varsa bunu düzeltmeye çalışır.
Berrak bir taştır, ne kadar berraksa o kadar güzeldir. Sıhhi bir taştır, negatif duyguları etkisizleştirir. Bu yüzden “Dağ Kristali” açık mekana koyulur. Bir “Dağ Kristali” sizin kendi içgüdülerinizle ve duyarlılığınızla irtibat kurmanıza yardım eder. Böylece kendiniz için daha iyi seçimler yapabilirsiniz.



Thread: T-E if anyone has the time

1770.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 12:30 am

you're welcome claire21



Thread: T-E if anyone has the time

1771.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 12:26 am

Quoting deli:

is it not
we are doing the cleaning?


yes you are right, i will edit it, thanks...



Thread: T-E if anyone has the time

1772.       armegon
1872 posts
 30 Mar 2007 Fri 12:15 am

Quoting claire21:

iyiyim sen nasilsin otelin restorandi nin temizligini yapiyoruz param ve köntürümde sadece sigara parasini veriyorlar kendine iyi bak lindaya selam söyle



Thank you so much


im fine, i am doing the cleaning of the hotel's restaurant,they are giving only my cigarette and my mobile phone money, take care of yourself, greetings to Linda.



Thread: pls be so kind & help me -short text- (T-E)

1773.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 06:59 pm

yeah right Ayla, i cant remember the song name, thanks...



Thread: pls be so kind & help me -short text- (T-E)

1774.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 06:56 pm

Quoting ay07:

I would be so glad if u could help me pls,pls,pls...


seni sensiz yasamak en kötü kaderim olsa gerek.Ey benim hasret kokan sevgilim, buna dayanirmi yurek.Gel desem gelismisim.Sensizim,seni ozluyorum ve tek...



my attempt;
living you without you should be the worst destiny. O Ye my longing smelling dear(darling), how my heart endures to this(sorrow). if i say come, will u come?. im without you, i miss u and the only one(alone)...

nice song lyrics



Thread: Translate it , please

1775.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 06:30 pm

Quoting Deniz Kız:

" you torture me with your silence and seems like you enjoy this. Are you sadist? I'm tired. "


Sessizliğinle bana eziyet ediyorsun ve bundan hoşlanıyor gibisin. Sen sadist misin? Yorgunum.



Thread: pls pls pls help me ... Eng-Tr

1776.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 06:29 pm

Quoting pimmie_002:

pls help me .... , ,,,
1. you are the light of my life
2. my guiding star
3. you make me hopeful

thx god for you..who help me to translate
thx you ..



1. Hayatımın nurusun(ışığısın)
2. Kılavuz yıldızım
3. Beni umutlandırdın(umutlu yaptın).



Thread: Information needed!

1777.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 04:16 pm

Quoting Trudy:


1. A 'tellak', is that always a man? If not, what is the word for females working in a hammam?



i think she is called "natır"



Thread: translation TR-IN; Thanks for helping!

1778.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 04:11 pm

Quoting mamamia:

Aklını başına topla, köpek nefsinin dirilmesini isteme!
Context:
- Ey Mesih, dedi aslan, benim rızkım değildi. Bu avlanma bir ibret içindi. Eğer benim rızkım olsaydı, hiç ölür muydum ben?! Bir peygamberi bulup da ölü gönlünü unutup kemiğin diriltilmesini isteyenin layığı budur!
Aklını başına topla, köpek nefsinin dirilmesini isteme! Madem köpek değilsin, peki neden kemiğe aşıksın?! Ey başkaları için ağlayan göz, biraz da kendine ağla!
Thank you!



my try;

Sober up your mind, do not want your dog soul to resurrect!
Context:

- O Ye Messiah, said lion, this was not my daily food. This hunting was for lesson(warning). If it has been my daily food, did i ever die?! This is the deserving of someone who forgets the dead inner feeling of own and wanting the bone to be resurrected when a prophet is met! Sober up your mind, do not want your dog soul to resurrect!If you are not a dog,then why do u fall in love with bone?! O Ye eye that cries for others, cry a little for yourself!


* the word 'nefs' and 'gönül' has no meaning in english so i translate 'nefs' as 'soul' and 'gönül' as 'inner feeling'



Thread: how will it be..?

1779.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 03:25 pm

Sana kızgın değilim.



Thread: can't quite get this..t-e

1780.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 12:27 am

Quoting kestrel:

'ben bir hafta izin alirim'


is that - i have a week of vacation - or somehting like that?


'senin syoklugunu okadar zorki'

this one is beyond me at the moment.

Thanks for any help


*First one should be 'i take one week of permission(from work usually)'

*Second one not written in a good Turkish, it should be 'senin yokluğun o kadar zor ki' maybe u cant understand coz of this. it means 'your absence is so hard(difficult)'



Thread: Eng-Tuk - last one please - only short

1781.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:33 pm

Quoting katalina:

Can anyone tell me how to say:


'It's so difficult not knowing what is happening'


Thank you to anyone who can help


Ne olduğunu bilmemek çok zor.



Thread: turk t english plz

1782.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:32 pm

Quoting sam1:

slm yengecigim.nasilsin geziyosun galiba.ben simdi cd'leri gonderdim,umarim begenirsin.abime slm.aleynayi optum.annemlerin cok slmi var.seni cok seviyoruz.optum xx


hi sister-in-law. how are you?i think u are walking. i sent(posted) cds now, i hope u like. say hello to my elder brother. i kissed aleyna. my parents say hello. we love u so much. kiss xx.



Thread: Eng-Turk please - important to me

1783.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:26 pm

Quoting katalina:

Thank you so much Armegon. You're a star!



welcome



Thread: Tur-Eng please

1784.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:19 pm

Quoting katalina:

Can anyone translate the following please?

Seninle kontak kurmamı istiyor musun istemiyor musun bilmiyorum


Thank you in advancex



i dont know if you want or dont want me to contact with you.



Thread: eng-tr little one

1785.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:17 pm

Quoting ambertje:

I can't sleep knowing that I didn't wish you good night.


Sana iyi geceler dilemediğimi bildiğim için uyuyamıyorum...



Thread: eng-trk please

1786.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:13 pm

Quoting smile:

hi baby, my day was so stressful! i had a five hour long art exam all day and then on my way home with kathryn, the tire on my car went flat and i had to wait on the side of the road in the cold for someone to come and help me fix it. now i am so tired and wish i didnt have to wait these next few days to see you. how was your day?



Merhaba bebeğim, günüm çok stresliydi! Bütün gün 5 saatlik sanat sınavım vardı ve sonra Kathryn ile eve dönerken arabamın lastiği patladı ve yol kenarında birinin gelip bize yardım ederek lastiği onarmayı bekledim soğukta. şimdi çok yorgunum ve dilerim önümüzdeki bu birkaç gün içinde seni görmeyi beklemem. senin günün nasıldı?



Thread: Eng-Turk please - important to me

1787.       armegon
1872 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 09:07 pm

Quoting katalina:

Can someone help with the following parts of a message please?

1. 'I just hope I haven't hurt you in anyway. I never want to do that'

2. 'I wish I could read your thoughts but I can't'

3. 'you know' - is this 'biliyorsun'?


Thank you to anyone who can help with thisx



1.Sadece seni herhangi bir şekilde incitmemiş olmayı umuyorum. Asla böyle yapmak istemezdim.
2.Senin düşÃ¼ncelerini okumayı dilerdim ama yapamam.

the last one is ok...



Thread: E-T please. Thanks

1788.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:56 pm

Quoting pauline:

Hello again. I didn't sleep last night. I always try to remember only the good things that happened. GRETA and I were very very close. You know that. I heard from her you found something we used. To me, it was pure love. And, I want to remember all the beautiful things that happened. But, with those sms she sends and the knife I got, it is not easy. I'm glad you are such good friends for her. I know she is very very special. I will never meet someone like her anymore. And, now, she hates me. But, as I said, I only want to remember that so beautiful time I had with her. I felt in heaven. And thanks for your friendship too.
I means a lot to me.
yours,

x



Tekrar Merhaba. dün gece uyumadım. Hep olan güzel şeyleri hatırlamaya çalıştım. GRETA ve ben çok çok yakındık, bildiğin gibi. Ondan duyduğuma göre kullandığımız bir şeyi bulmuşsun. Bana göre o temiz(has) bir aşktı.Olan bütün güzel şeyleri hatırlamak istiyorum. Ama, o yolladığı mesaj(sms) ile ve bana gelen bıçak ile, bu kolay değil. Onun sizin gibi iyi arkadaşları olduğu için memnunum. Onun çok çok özel olduğunu biliyorum. Artık onun gibi özel biriyle hiç bir zaman buluşamayacağım. Ve şimdi o benden nefret ediyor. Fakat söylediğim gibi ben sadece onunla geçirdiğimiz güzel zamanı hatırlamak istiyorum. Kendimi cennette hissetmiştim.Ve arkadaşlığınız için ben de teşekkür ederim.
Bu benim için çok anlam ifade ediyor.
Sizin XX



Thread: Random exercises

1789.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:26 pm

Quoting Elisa:



Thanks for your help



Mühim değil Elisa



Thread: tur0eng please

1790.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:22 pm

Quoting c_e_r_y_s:

thanks in advance


seni o kadar çok sevdim kiiiiiii .bunu bir kere bile göremedin..ben sana o kadar mesaj gönderdim hiç birine cevap vermedin


i love u so much that u cant even see once...i sent u lots of messages but u dont answer none of them.



Thread: eng-tur please

1791.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:18 pm

Quoting c_e_r_y_s:

thank so much for your help
~
i dont talk to other boys, and you dont believe anything i say even though you are the one who is unfaithful to me and you are angry with me when i have done nothing to you



Ben diğer erkeklerle konuşmuyorum, söylediğim şeylere inanmamana rağmen sen bana vefasızlık yapan tek kişisin ve sana hiçbirşey yapmamışken bana kızgınsın.



Thread: Eng-Tur,.........pls help

1792.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:12 pm

Quoting shazyas:

Thanks alot my friend,

so nice of
u made my day,

thanks once again.



you're welcome shazyas...



Thread: eng-tur plzzz

1793.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:09 pm

Quoting c_e_r_y_s:

thanks very much!

if you loved me then you would not talk to lots of other girls calling them beautiful! that is why i do not tak with you anymore because you broke my heart


Eğer beni seviyorsan bundan sonra bir sürü diğer kızlarla
onlara güzel(güzelim)! diyerek konuşmazsın. Bundan dolayı artık seninle konuşmuyorum çünkü kalbimi kırdın.



Thread: Turk - eng lutfen

1794.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:06 pm

Quoting TeresaJana:

to LadyinRed: how did u translate cochh or cildiriyor? what is the root word for this? i found cilgin as 'crazy','mad' but i couldnt figure out the conjugation nor what coch is? maybe cok?



i think she guessed because they fit the sentence...

"cocch" is used for turkish word "çok" means "a lot, much, many, very etc"

"cildiriyor" is used for "çıldırtıyor" and the root of this verb is "çıldırtmak" means "make crazy,drive crazy etc"



Thread: ENGLISH- TURKISH PLEASE HELP

1795.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:00 pm

Quoting Lucy01:

Please can someone help me translate the following into turkish.

I'm sorry i wasn't here, i went to the gym after work. Are you angry with me.
I did write you message when i came to msn but you did not answer.
I am sorry again.

Seni seviyorum my friend



Özür dilerim burada değildim, işten sonra spor salonuna gittim. Bana kızgınmısın?
Msnye geldiğimde sana mesaj yazdım fakat cevap vermedin.
Tekrardan özür dilerim.
Seni seviyorum arkadaşım...



Thread: translation türkçe - english

1796.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 05:17 pm

Quoting aiça:

I am sure you did! It is even worse than I thought then...

Anyways, thank you very much for your translation!



welcome



Thread: tr-eng please :)

1797.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 05:14 pm

Quoting c_e_r_y_s:

aşkım yazdın yazıları cok iyi şekilde anladım benden daha cabuk ögreniyorsun türkceyi sen bir tanesin
hafta sonu internete girmem genelde neler yapıyorsun ğprencesim benim aşkım senii cooook seviyorum
sen bir tanesin

thanks in advance


My love, i understood the writings that you have written very well. You are learning Turkish faster than me. You are the only one.
I usually dont enter internet on weekend. What are you doing my princess, my love? i love you soooooo much.
you are the only one.



Thread: Eng-Tur,.........pls help

1798.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 05:07 pm

Quoting shazyas:

Pls help me in translating the following two sentences to turkish,
Thanks in advance

1.I live with my family here,

2. NO,i dont want to be rich,because i am happy with whatever i have.


Thanks ,
with luv
shazyas



1.Burada ailemle birlikte yaşıyorum
2.HAYIR, zengin olmak istemiyorum, halimden memnunum.



Thread: translation türkçe - english

1799.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 05:05 pm

Quoting aiça:


Benim eşimle ve çocuğumla zaman geaiğiyorsum. Senin amacini çok iyi tahmin edebiliyorum. önce içneyi kendine batir sonra güvaldizi başkasina, batır. Sizi 3 haftadir takip. ettiriyorum haberin olsun. Benim eşimi ve çocuğumu rahat birak. Yoksa aradığını bulursun. iyi düşÃ¼nmeni tavsiye ederim. Sen yetmiyormuşsun gibi arkadaşında sms göndriyor. Anladığım kadariyla sen yanlız değilsin. Aldığım haberlere göre arkasinda gönderiyormuş. Hayvanların bir leşin üzerinde yemek için, beni çok iyi kavga ettikleri gibi. Fazla yazmama gerek yok, beni çok iyi anladiğini tahmin ediyorum.

!BIR BABA ÇOCUĞU IÇIN HER ŞEYI YAPAR!



I’m having(spending) my time with my wife and child. I can predict yourr aim very well. Look at yourself first, then criticize others. I had made u being watched for 3 weeks time,be informed. Leave my wife and child free (Do not disturb my wife and child). Otherwise you will find what you searched. I advise you to think carefully(well). I understood that you are not alone. I informed (took the news) that your friend has also been sending xxx, like that the animals fight for eating a carrion. No need to write more, i predict that you undesrtood me well.
!A FATHER DOES EVERYTHING FOR HIS CHILD!


i hope i give the right meaning



Thread: short question

1800.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 02:13 am

Quoting pamela:

pls. negative sentence from gelmem gerek is gelmemE gerek yok. is negative from gelmem lazim also gelmemE lazim degil?



gelmem gerek (positive)
gelmemem gerek or gelmeme gerek yok (negative)
gelmem lazım(positive)
gelmemem lazım(negative)

urs are correct only the "gelmeme lazım değil" should be "gelmemem lazım" or "gelmem lazım değil"



Thread: E-T please. Thanks

1801.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 02:06 am

Quoting pauline:

Please, don't misunderstand. I also want that ULRA is happy. I also think she is a very very nice person. She is the nicest person I know, just like you.She still means very very much to me.
And, I'm glad you are still her friend!!! Thanks!



Lütfen, beni yanlış anlama. Ben de URLA'nın mutlu olmasını istiyorum. Ayrıca onun çok çok hoş bir insan olduğunu düşÃ¼nüyorum. O tanıdığım en hoş insan tıpkı senin gibi. Bana göre(benim için)O hala çok çok anlamlı. Ve, senin hala onun arkadaşı olduğun için çok memnunum!!!Teşekkürler!



Thread: E-T mail. (take your time, not VERY VERY urgent :)

1802.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 02:01 am

Merhaba
İnternette iyi bir kişi, senin e-postanı çevirdi. Sizinle arkadaş olduğum için kendimi çok şanslı hissediyorum. Esra hakkında hakkikaten kötü düşÃ¼nmek istemiyorum. Fakat, çok zor. Hemen hemen her gün onun telefonundan mesaj(sms) alıyorum. Mesajında benim ölmemi istediğini söylüyor! Kendimi öldürmeliymişim. Ben salak değilim.

Hatta içinde bir bıçak olan bir posta bile aldım, bana “yardım”!( etmesi için)Gerçekten bunu başkasının yapmış olmasını umuyorum. Çok karışık. Esra’yı biliyorum. Asla bunu yapmaz, ama… Ayrıca biri benim kredi(visa) hesabımı kullanmış Esra’ya bir sürü çiçek yollamak için. Benim e-posta adresimi kırıp numaramı bulmuş olmalı. Gerçekten sizi tekrar ziyaret etmek istiyorum. Ama, çünkü Geçen sene Türkiye’ye çok defa gittim ve param çalındı, artık yeteri kadar param yok. Banka hesabım sıfırın altında.

Bu durumda bu yıl tatile çıkmam çok çok zor olacak. Ama eğer mümkün olursa sizi haberdar edeceğim. Her gün Esra hakkında düşÃ¼nüyorum. Onu düşÃ¼nmeden duramıyorum. Çok üzücü. Çok çılgın şeyler oldu. Kendimi çok kötü hissetmemi sağlıyor. Ama, seninle sohbet etmek çok hoştu. Şimdi sizin çok iyi gerçek hakiki arkadaşlar olduğunuzu biliyorum. Sizinle uzun zaman görüşmedim ama beni çok etkilediniz!
Teşekkürler!

Lütfen, benimle istediğiniz zaman irtibat kurmakta serbestsiniz! Eğer bir şey istiyorsanız, veya yapabileceğim bir şey varsa, sormaya çekinmeyin!
Seni ve Selim’i çok seviyorum.
Sizin Joris’iniz.



Thread: turkish in to english please? Mail message

1803.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 01:13 am

Quoting jorisirc:

armegon , thanks so much for the translation!


welcome Jorisirc



Thread: turkish in to english please? Mail message

1804.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 01:08 am

Quoting jorisirc:

Merhaba JORIS,bizde seni gördüğümüzde çok mutlu olduk,bizi dost olarak görmen çok güzel,bizde seni çok seviyoruz,mutlaka bekliyoruz gebzeye,bizim için çok zor belçikaya gelmek,bizim için çok pahalı ,ama gelmeyi isterdik,selimde seni çok seviyor,sen bizim dostumuzsun,kötü olaylar oldu,üzücüydü,ama seni tanımak çok güzel,esra kötü birisi değil ,onu yanlış anlama,o çok saf birisi,o da sende benim dostumsun,esranın üzülmesini istemem,seninde üzülmeni istemem,sen her zaman bizim dostumuzsun,we love you JORIS,türkiyeye gel.misafirimiz ol,by by



Hello Joris, we are too happy to see you again, seeing us as a friend of yours is very beutiful, we love u so much too, surely we are waiting for u to come to Gebze, its so difficult(hard) for us to come to Belgium, but we would like to come, Selim also loves you so much,you are a very good friend of us, bad events happened, it was sad, but recognizing you is so beautiful, Esra isnt a bad person, dont misunderstand her, she is so pure person, both of you are my friends, i dont want Esra to be sad, i dont also want you to be sad, you are always very good friend of us, seni seviyoruz JORIS, come to Türkiye. Be our guest, bye bye...



Thread: Eng - turk please...cok onemli

1805.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 12:56 am

Quoting dagdelen:

Im going through a tough time at the moment. My grandma is in a critical condition at hospital, my parents have problems and i am doing badly at school. And ontop of all this, my love is miles away from me! Im never happy anymore. my life here is not working without you...if all goes well after july when we meet, and if you still want me after...i will move to turkey to be with you! im being very serious. i know that my mum will eventually allow this, she always wants me to be happy, and only you can make me happy. I want you to meet her also this summer.


Şu anda zor bir zamandan geçiyorum. Babaannem hastanede durumu kritik, ebeveynlerimin sorunları var ve ben okulda kötü gidiyorum. Ve hepsinden önemlisi, aşkım benden millerce uzakta! Hiç mutlu değilim artık. Burada hayat sensiz geçmiyor... buluştuğumuzda,eğer temmuzdan sonra herşey yolunda giderse ve eğer hala bundan sonra beni istiyorsan...seninle birlikte olabilmek için Türkiye'ye taşınacağım. Çok ciddiyim. Biliyorum annem eninde sonunda buna izin verecek, benim her zaman mutlu olmamı istiyor, ve sadece sen beni mutlu edebilirsin. Senin de bu yaz onunla(annemle) buluşmanı istiyorum.



Thread: Tongue twisters

1806.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 12:28 am

Patlıcan var patlıcan,
Patlasın senin kocan.
Şisko şisko biberler,
Arabaya bindiler.
Elmalar yedi buçuk,
Onu yedi, bir çocuk.
Patlıcandan bıktım,
Ben oyundan çıktım!



Thread: Hello again all- I am here again!

1807.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 12:15 am

Quoting carlbos:

Can someone please put this into "proper" Turkish for me....

I live in Oldham which is a town to the north of Manchester. I live my life between here and Turkey at the moment until September when I can start to live my life for real again. I expect just two things of people, truth and honesty, without them there can be nothing.

Many thanks in advance - AGAIN!

Carl



Manchester'ın kuzeyinde bulunan bir kasaba olan Oldham'da yaşıyorum. Eylülde yeniden hayatımı gerçekten yaşamaya başlayıncaya dek hayatım şu anda burada ve Türkiye arasında geçiyor. İnsanlardan sadece iki şey umuyorum(bekliyorum), doğruluk ve dürüstlük, bunlar olmadan hiç bir şey olamaz.



Thread: Causative :check my sentences please!

1808.       armegon
1872 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 12:04 am

Quoting armegon:


' You made me to make them understand the problem'

'sen benim onların sorunlarını anlamamı sağladın' or shortly 'onların sorunlarını anlamamı sağladın' is the correct translation i think...



unfortunately, when i examined the sentence again, my translation is incorrect, sorry…its a weird sentence...
ıf the sentence is “you helped me to make them understand the problem”, the translation is “onların sorunu anlamasına yardımcı olmamı sağladın” and i suppose its nearest translation to ur sentence….
And i want to mention other corrections to some of ur sentences..

1)i made him wear a coat
'Ona palto giydirdim.' or 'Ona bir palto giydirdim.' or 'Onun palto giymesini sağladım.' three of them can be used.
if the sentence is 'i made him wear his coat.' the translation is 'Ona paltosunu giydirdim.'

2)i made u make them cry
'Sana onların ağlamasını sağlattırdım.' is other alternative 'Sana onları ağlattırdım' is also correct.

3)You made me understand the problem
it should be 'Sen benim sorunu anlamamı sağladın' or 'Sorunu anlamamı sağladın'. urs doesnt give the right meaning 'Bana sorunu anlattın' means 'you told me the problem' in English





Thread: Turkish to English please

1809.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 09:21 am

Quoting kate4358:

Bir tanem cenabi allah cani veren odur. Dua etmek engüzeli. Insallah yasarde bizde aci yasamayiz askim. Uzülme lütfen.

Is it something to do with him going to the mosque and saying prayers? thank you



yes something like that...
" My only one, Allah gives the life. Praying is the best(most beautiful). I hope(i pray) he/she will live and we dont suffer.Dont be sad please"



Thread: turkish to english,little more.....please!!!thanks

1810.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 09:17 am

my attempt;

Quoting evaz4u:

Merhaba Askimmmm,
Bunca yogunlugun,endisen varken yerimi sirasimi simdi
bu konular ?yle degilmi(
ama paylasmak istedim,

Hello my Looooooove
Since u have had lots of worries, busyness, it isnt a right time for this subjects now, right? But i want to share.


benimle birlikte olmaya basladigindan
bu yana cabani,istedigini,bagliligini,samimiyetini biliyorum.

Since u have begun to be with me, i know(appreciate) ur efort, desire, adherence, sincerity.

ben elimden geldigince kendimi sana anlatmaya calisiyorum
bizimkisi haliyle yüzyüze olupta birseyler paylasan insanlardan biraz daha hassas

i try to tell(impress) myself to u as possible as i can. Our relation is obviously more sensible than the people who see eachother and share something

yürekten s?ylüyorumki,sana olan sevgimden,bagliligimdan,
herseyden ?nemlisi sadakatimden hic süpme etme olurmu,

i say from my heart that dont doubt about my love, attachment and especially more important than everything, my adherence.

cünkü bunlar benim inandigim beni zümra yapan degerler,ne olursa olsun kaybetmemek icinde her zaman mücadele ediyorum.

Because these are worths that make me Zümra, im always struggling not to lose these whatever happens.

seninle birlikte bir yola ciktik,yapmak istediklerimiz,
planlarimiz var,allah izin verirse hepsini gerceklestirecegiz,

We began our way together, we have plans and willings to do, if Allah permits, we will maket them real.

sana inaniyorum,sen elinden geleni yapiyorsun,
ama bizim uzak olmamizdan faydalanacak,?zlemini
duygumuz hayatimizda eksik olanlari kullanacaklar,
cikabilirde.

I believe in you, and you done everything as much as u can.
But there could be some ppl who will benefit from farness of eacother and will use our longings and feelings in our lifes.


seni kaybetmek,cok isindigim,alistigim bir annen var,
hal b?yleyken taslarin yerinden oynamasina dayanamam.

Losing u(??), u have got a mother that i am accustomed and i warmed up to her.
Thus the situation is like this, i cannot endure the changes(change locations of stones).


sana olan sevgimi,güvenimi zedeleyen olaylar yasadik,toparladik,biraradayiz.

We saw events which appaled my love and my confidence to you but we coped with all of them and we are together.

hayatima kattiklarini düsününce,
yazdim cünkü kaygidan uzak olmaktan korkudan.
yanibasinda oldugumda hersey farkli olacak.

When i thought ur contribution to my life, i wrote cause of fear and farness of from anxiety. When i am going to be near to u, everything will be different



Thread: tur-eng...please

1811.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 08:56 am

Quoting YAZMIN:

Selam everybody...!

I need some help with this... can you help me?

Gurur gerek gereksiz... ufaklik yorgun rehatsiz etmeyin...

I can't understand at all... Thank you so much...



Pride is not needy…. Little one is tired, do not disturb



Thread: t-e.please

1812.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 08:55 am

Quoting evaz4u:

zumram evdeyim bu isi kokounden halledene kadar seninle konusmak seni daha cok uzmek istemiorum kiz evde hala ben salonda yatiyorum kolundan tutup atamiyorum rezillik cikaracak polis geir mutlaka o sekilde olursa vizem iptal edilir merak etme askim eli elime degmiyor ben salonda yatiyorum .yasattiklarim icin cok cok cok mahcubum saana evin anahtarini aldim yarin ise gitmek zorundagitmek zorunda



I’m at home my Zumra, i dont want to talk to you and upset you until i solve this problem. Girl is still at home, i sleep in living room(saloon), i couldnt kick out, she will cause a disgrace, surely the police come and if its like that my visa should be cancelled, dont worry my love, i dont touch to her, i sleep in living room. Since i have caused these problems, im very very ashamed to(against) you, i took the keys of house from her, she has to go(leave) tomorrow.



Thread: E to T pls

1813.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 12:25 am

Quoting Misen:

When are you travelling by bus to Istanbul? I will arrive Ataturk airport 5th April. If you are there before me where will you stay?


Thank you in advance for your help.



Ne zaman otobüsle İstanbul'a geleceksin(yolculuk yapacaksın)?Ben nisanın beşinde Atatürk Havaliman'nında olacağım (hava limanına varacağım). Eğer benden önce gelmiş olursan(gelirsen) nerede kalacaksın?



Thread: Causative :check my sentences please!

1814.       armegon
1872 posts
 26 Mar 2007 Mon 12:07 am

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

' You made me to make them understand the problem '
' Bana onları sorunu anlattırdın ' (emin değilim)

--------

Benim, onların sorunu anlamasını, sağlattın.

sound better, huh ?



"sen benim onların sorunlarını anlamamı sağladın" or shortly "onların sorunlarını anlamamı sağladın" is the correct translation i think...



Thread: help pleas] x x

1815.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:44 pm

thats ok...



Thread: e t t please

1816.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:36 pm

Quoting stephie:

im ok babe, is your apartment icmeler or marmaris? who are you sharing with.20 days babe and we will be togther

thanks guys x x x



iyiim bebeğim, Senin apartman içmeler de mi Marmariste mi?
Kimle kalıyorsun? 20 gün sonra bebeğim beraber olacağız...



Thread: COK GUZEL: TURKISH CLASSICAL MUSIC

1817.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:32 pm

Nice sharing thanks, its like turkish version of ottoman music, musiki



Thread: t to e lutfen

1818.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:30 pm

Quoting stephie:

yes thanks u for ut help x x x



bir şey değil Steph



Thread: t to e lutfen

1819.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:21 pm

Quoting stephie:

askim merhaba nasilsin bugun apaata yerlestim bebek. burda eksik olan sensin cabuk gel seni cok ozledim seni cok cok seviyorum kendine iyi bak.

thanks in advance



Hello my love how are u? i moved to the apartment today baby. The only missing here is you, come here quickly, i miss u so much i love u very very much, take care of urself...

i think here "apaata" is "apartman" right?



Thread: english-turkish please

1820.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:17 pm

Quoting joanna06:

thankyou x


Rica ederim Joanna



Thread: english-turkish please

1821.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:13 pm

Quoting joanna06:

im sorry for the way i have been acting with you i don't mean to, i hope you understand i want us to be friends always. I know i have hurt you many times in the past and dont blame you if you not want to talk to me anymore,it would be much easyier for the both of us if we could understand one another.I understand it is hard.Hope to see you in the summer. see you soon


thankyou in advance x



Sana davranışlarımdan dolayı üzgünüm bunu kastetmemiştim, umarım anlarsın, her zaman ikimizin arkadaş olmasını istiyorum. Biliyorum seni çoğu zaman incittim, eğer benimle artık konuşmazsan seni suçlamam, eğer birbirimizi anlayabilirsek bu ikimiz için de daha kolay olur. Zor bir durum anlıyorum. Yazın seni görmeyi umuyorum. Yakında görüşmek üzere



Thread: translation plz English to Turkish

1822.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 10:53 pm

Quoting kate4358:

Thank you armegon and k_s much appreciated


your welcome Kate



Thread: Random exercises

1823.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 10:50 pm

1) First one should be like "Ya yeni bir işe başvurmalıyım ya da patronum ayrılmalı, diye düşÃ¼ndü."
"ayrılmak" is better here when u use the verb "to leave" i think.
2)in second one Türkçe sentence "Şişmanlamayasın diye artık sana şeker almayacağım" is better translation i think yours is also can be used.

3)"Ne kastediyorsun beni sevmemekle?" veya "Ne demek beni sevmiyorsun?" is better...
"Ne diye beni sevmiyorsun" means like "why dont u love me" with in an anger situation.

4)in second Türkçe sentence it should be "kötü havadan dolayı" not "kötü havadan dolası"

5)Türkçe sentence should be "Tatilimde(during my holiday) dinlenmek ve gezmek istiyorum" veya "Tatilim boyunca dinlenmek ve gezmek istiyorum"

6)this one is allriht only not "tatillerimde" it should be "tatilimde"

7)"Alışverişe gittim ve çok para harcadım" is better i think...

BTW ur Turkish is very good, congrats



Thread: translation plz English to Turkish

1824.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 10:34 pm

Quoting kate4358:

The doctors have said, the baby has a 50/50 chance of surviving, the special baby unit is doing everything they can, but she is the smallest, her lungs are not developed yet.......... I will be leaving Manchester on Tues 27th at 8pm arriving Bodrum Wed at 2am is that ok for you?



Doktorlar bebeğin yaşama şansının yüzde 50 olduğunu söylediler, bebek bakım ünitesinde ellerinden geleni yapıyorlarmış fakat bebek çok küçük ve akciğerleri henüz gelişmemiş........ Ayın 27si salı günü saat 8pm de Manchester'dan ayrılıyor olacağım, Çarşamba saat 2am de Bodrum'da varacağım senin için uygun mu?



Thread: few words eng - turk please

1825.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 11:39 am

Quoting alison89:

can you please translate for me:


'Do you love me enough to wait until I can be with you all the time?'


also guys,,,can you tell me what is the word for 'enough'

many thanks once again



interesting sentence, let me try to translate;

"Beni Yeterince bekleyecek kadar seviyor musun hep (her zaman) seninle birlikte olabilinceye dek?"

enough is "yeterince" i think



Thread: eng - turk lutfen...tesekkur.

1826.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 04:42 am

Quoting dagdelen:

I cried so much yesterday, i thought i had lost you. I was even meant to go to a party last night, but i didnt because i was that upset. Pathetic i know, but you mean the world to me. I dont know what i would have done if you said you didnt want me anymore. Im sorry for the way i acted.



Dün çok ağladım, seni kaybettiğimi düşÃ¼ndüm(zannettim). Hatta dün akşam partiye gitmeye niyetlendim fakat gitmedim çünkü çok üzgündüm. Dokunaklı biliyorum, ama sen benim dünyam demeksin. Beni artık istemediğini söylediğinde, ne yapacağımı bilemedim. Böyle davrandığım için üzgünüm.



Thread: İtalyanlar Türklere mi benziyor??

1827.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 04:02 am

Quoting leameus:

hi,

i agree to those polands even though i'm not drunk at the moment have you ever watched this?

http://www.infonegocio.com/xeron/bruno/italy.html

i think this's why we look like ;D



Same link we have given

BTW Türkiye beat Greece 4-1 in athens in football



Thread: Thank you ..please

1828.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Mar 2007 Sun 02:56 am

Ben İstanbul'dayken göstermiş olduğun misafirperverlik için çok teşekkürler...

a little bit long



Thread: eng-tr

1829.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:19 am

Quoting ambertje:

Did you call me last night? I was sleeping, I just now see that I missed a phonecall. I want to talk to you very much!



Dün akşam beni aradın mı? Uyuyordum, şimdi gördüm ki aramayı (aramanı kaçırmışım. Seninle çok konuşmak istiyorum.



Thread: tr-eng

1830.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:17 am

Quoting ambertje:

thank you!



bir şey değil



Thread: Korean Clip with Turkish Music

1831.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:15 am

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Quoting armegon:

song is moving,affective

Have a look...

Clip



Hey! Where did you get it?
I am in Korea but have never heard of it.



a friend of mine showed me that clip actually it has got Korean song, but they prepared that clip again with a turkish song...



Thread: tr-eng

1832.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:12 am

Quoting ambertje:

tekrar birlikte olacagimiz icin cok mutluyum butun sikintilari beraber yenecegiz seni asla yalniz birakmayacagim



im very happy that we will be together again, we will beat all the troubles together, i will never leave u alone...



Thread: Korean Clip with Turkish Music

1833.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:07 am

song is moving,affective

Have a look...

Clip



Thread: english to turkish plllz

1834.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 09:03 am

mühim değil :elsalla:



Thread: Lutfen Eng to Tur Please

1835.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 08:56 am

Quote:

My Garden
Bahçem

From every tear
in love's poor garden
unopened buds abound

Her gözyaşından
Aşkın garip bahçesinde
açılmamış tomurcuk bolluğunda

From every smile you give to me
From every song to sing to me
bright blooms of love are found

Bana verdiğin her gülümsemede
Bana söylediğin her şarkıda
Aşkın gözalan(parlak) çiçekleri bulunur

TJ 3/23/07

Tesekkurler to translator



Thread: english to turkish plllz

1836.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 08:52 am

Quoting kate4358:

sorry for no message last night, i had some very upsettting news.... my brothers daughter gave birth to her baby 3 months early and we are praying that the baby will survive, she weighes less than a 2kg bag of sugar.



dün gece mesaj atamadığım için üzgünüm, üzücü haberler aldım...Erkek kardeşimin bebeği 3 ay erken doğdu ve yaşaması için dua ediyoruz, 2 kiloluk şeker kutusundan daha hafif...



Thread: English to Turkish song translation :)

1837.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 08:40 am

armegon:1 SS:1



Thread: translation lutfen

1838.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 08:20 am

Quoting lauraacorah:

Take a good look at yourself surely you cannot be proud of the person you have become you have lost your personality, You dont need to treat people so unfairly .



Kendine bir bak, kesinlikle olduğun kişi ile gurur duymayabilirsin. Kişiliğini kaybetmişsin, insanlara insafsızca davranmaya ihtiyacın yok.



Thread: Lutfen, Eng to Tur. Poem

1839.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 08:19 am

One Drop of Love
Bir Damla Aşk(Sevgi)

My soul feels unattended
It's joy like the tide
This persistant yearning, remembering
It is not the dream
It is not the imagination
It is you, my Love

Ruhum başıboş(yalnız) olduğunu hissediyor
Med Cezir gibi keyifli
Bu sürüp giden hasret, anı(hatırlama)
Rüya değil
Hayal değil
Sensin, Aşkım


You gave my soul one drop of love
and an unknown seed began to grow
so sorrowful this bloom awaits your care
to open lovely colors and eternal in your sun

Sen ruhuma bir damla aşk verdin
Ve gizli(bilinmeyen) bir tohum yeşermeye başladı
Çok kederli bu çiçek senin bakımına muhtaç(bakımını bekliyor)
Senin ebedi güneşinde (ve) açabilmek için güzel renklerle


TJ 3/23/07

tesekkur ederim to the tranlator!



Thread: İtalyanlar Türklere mi benziyor??

1840.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 01:48 am

italya



Thread: * turk - eng lutfen *

1841.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 01:18 am

Quoting armegon:

Quoting Shujza:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting dagdelen:

2 saattir bunu mu yazdın


Have u written this during 2 hours?



Is this what you've written in two hours????


Thats the translation of what dagdelen wrote in Turkish Shujza bilader...


sorry i misunderstood



Thread: * turk - eng lutfen *

1842.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 01:14 am

Quoting Shujza:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting dagdelen:

2 saattir bunu mu yazdın


Have u written this during 2 hours?



Is this what you've written in two hours????


Thats the translation of what dagdelen wrote in Turkish Shujza bilader...



Thread: * turk - eng lutfen *

1843.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 01:07 am

Quoting dagdelen:

2 saattir bunu mu yazdın


Have u written this during 2 hours?



Thread: I miss what Turkish Class was...

1844.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 12:37 am

Quoting gilly:

yes we have lost something - like do you remember when we had the night crew - those that did the nightshift will know what i am talking about.



+1907 lol



Thread: Turkish to English please

1845.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 12:11 am

Quoting kate4358:

özlem dolu.Ya su kalbim. Seni arar gözler. Yollar gözlenir sevgili için. Beklenen birde askim olunca. Sarmaya hazir kucaklar. Sicakliga muhtaç askim


My heart is full of missing. Eyes look for u.Ways are watched for darling. If being waited for, is my love besides. Arms ready for hugging. My love needs warmth.



Thread: eng-tur please help :)

1846.       armegon
1872 posts
 24 Mar 2007 Sat 12:08 am

Quoting c_e_r_y_s:

so greatfull for anyone who can give a fast translation thanks very much

text me richies situation in turkish i will translate because i dont understand what you mean



Richie'nin durumunu bana Türkçe olarak yaz, ben çevireceğim çünkü ne demek istediğini anlamıyorum...



Thread: english to turkish please quick one if possible

1847.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Mar 2007 Fri 10:14 pm

Quoting anna06:

really i want to thank you for the past few days, you have made me so happy, there is 2 things i want you to always remember first; never forget you are always best.you will never ever leave my heart.second, everything i will do will always be for us not just for me, remember that ok.



Sana gerçekten geçtiğimiz birkaç gün için teşekkür etmek isitiyorum, beni çok mutlu ettin, senden her zaman hatırlamanı istediğim iki şey var birincisi; asla unutma sen her zaman en iyisisin. Asla ve hiç bir zaman kalbimi terketmeyeceksin. İkinci olarak, yapacağım herşey her zaman ikimiz için olacak sadece benim için değil, bunu hatırla, tamam.



Thread: last one sorry

1848.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Mar 2007 Fri 08:00 pm

Quoting sooz:

sorry for doubting u babe, i just wanted to be reasured, cant wait to see u. love u loads my sexy man xxx
t plz thanks guys for helping me



Senden kuşku duyduğum için özür dilerim bebeğim, sadece emin olmak istedim, seni görmek için bekleyemiyorum. tüm aşkımla benim seksi erkeğim..



Thread: Plss help T - E

1849.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 06:50 pm

Quoting Andromeda:

Süreklilik ve basınca dayanımı yüksektir.Her türlü kesme ve bükme kalıplarında vida civata ovalama tarakları ağac frezeleri perçim ve civata başlarının şişirme işleri vs.



i think its not good turkish like sign writing...talking about wood working...

"Resistance to stability(continuity) and pressure is high.
In shapers every kind of cutting and bending, rubbing the dredges(combs)of screws and cap screws,wood patterns riveting and blowing up the head of capscrews etc can be done..."



Thread: please translate this from eng to turk

1850.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 06:41 pm

Quoting Katee:

I can't marry you yet.
It seems to me that we are going to marry so that you can live in (the country's name).
It doesn't matter what kind of person who you marry with is, but what matters to you is where she is from.
Am I right?



Seninle henüz evlenemem.
Bana öyle geliyor ki biz evleneceğiz ve böylece sen orada (ülkenin ismi) (ülkede) yaşayabileceksin.
Nasıl biriyle evleneceğin önemli değil, ama senin için önemli olan nereli olduğu.(hangi ülkeden olduğu)
Haklımıyım?



Thread: plz, translate eng to turk for me

1851.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 06:39 pm

my attempt
1.everybody lives his/her own destiny
2.my hard(difficult)passion(passionate love)
3.Doesnt flow(leak, stream)



Thread: pls,pls be so kind & Help me!!! (E-T)

1852.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 05:45 pm

Quoting ay07:

I'd like to ask someone to be so so so kind to help to translate me this.PLS,PLS.PLEASE!!!!


Darling I only wanted to say that it was really good to hear you last night. The only thing what was missing for me to be absoluetly happy was YOU! I miss to feel you next to me... Then I could give you kisses everytime I'm thinking of you.. So you would get kisses always.
Anyway I'm patient but I'm making a list about my wishes what we must make come true in our future...
Just I wanna ask two things now:
1. Think of me everytime u need me.
2.Don't answer me in turkish please,because then I can't answer you in short time...



Sevgilim, dün gece seninle konuşmak(senden haber almak) gerçekten güzeldi sadece bunu söylemek istedim. Kesinlikle mutlu olamayışımın tek sebebi SENİN yanımda olmaman. Seni yanımda hissetmeyi özledim(özlüyorum). Sonra da sana her zaman öpücüklerimi verebilirim, seni düşÃ¼nüyorum. Böylece sen de her zaman öpücüklerimi alabilirsin. Neyse ben sabırlıyım ama Geleceğimizde, doğru olmasını sağlamamız gereken dileklerimin bir listesini yapıyorum...
this sentence is a little bit weird)

Sadece sana şimdi iki şey sormak istiyorum.
1. Her ihtiyacın olduğunda beni düşÃ¼n.
2. Lütfen bana Türkçe cevap verme çünkü sonra sana kısa zamanda cevap veremeyebilirim...



Thread: ENG - TURK LUTFEN

1853.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 04:35 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

I hope your exams went well today.



Umarım bugün sınavların iyi geçmiştir.



Thread: translate pls

1854.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 04:33 pm

Quoting shazyas:


Merhaba,
Pls help me in translating following text to turkish language,Thanks in advance.

here is the text to be translated-


I Remain in my home and from there i do web designing and Forum maintenance.



Evde kalıyorum ve buradan web tasarımı ve Forum bakımı yapıyorum.



Thread: You must know how to party?

1855.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 03:53 am

You must know how to party?

Nasıl kutlayacağını bilmelisin or

Nasıl parti yapılacağını bilmelisin



Thread: I don't understand what did you mean to say

1856.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 03:09 am

it can be also;
"Ne söylemek(demek) istediğini, anlamıyorum."



Thread: Happy newroz!

1857.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 02:38 am

Quoting azade:

Sorry I should have explaint it further but SunFlowerSeed is right anyway. Newroz means "new day" and it is the welcoming of the new year. It was banned until the year 2000.

Can anyone answer my question?



Nevruz is a persian word which used at the time of Ottoman Empire, u know the ottoman turkish contains lots of farsi(persian)words. Nevrûz means (nev (new) rûz (day)) new day. In turkish it pronounced in many ways such as “Yeni Gün”, “Yeni Kün”, “Çağan”, “Ulu Kün”, “Ulustın Ulu” etc as a bairam name “Altay Kötürgeni”, “Bahar Bayramı”, “Yörük Bayramı”. It is a tradition in Turkic world comes from Central Asia.

All turkic nations celebrate this spring bairam such as Balkars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs, Crimean Tatars, Gagauzs, Karachays, Karakalpaks, Karapapaks, Kazakhs, Kirghiz, Khorasani Turks, Kumyks, Noghais, Qashqay Tatars, Turkmens, Turks of Turkey, Tuvans, Uighurs, Uzbeks, Yakuts, Azerbaijanis, Kurts. It can be seen from chinese sources that several centuries before the B.C Hun Turks had prepared food, meals and gone to the grey for to celebrate the spring fest on the 21th of March same as today.
That is inherited from ancient Turanian religion and not a new idea very old actually.
But at these years it is used for politically by provocateurs who want to break up the country's unity. it was not banned also...



Thread: Pls help me, T-E

1858.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 02:14 am

Quote:

Sonunda amaciniza ulastiniz , Ismailinizi alin sizin olsun bundan sonra siz benim bir şeyim değilsiniz .Kardeşine( gardaş ) söyle sevinsin (kina yaksin) , Kizkardeşin(baci) , Kardeşin ,dün size geldi. Nasil güzel eğitip gönderdiniz alacagini aldiniz....Bundan sonra yeğen'ine karılık yapacak birini bulursunuz ....Beni hepberaber (elbirliği) bu hale getirdiniz.İnşallah , Allah, benim yuvamı bu hale getirenlerin belasini verir .Şu mübarek günde haber ver kizkardeşine herkes sevinsin ( zil takıp oynasinlar )



This is not a good turkish. Let me try;

"At last u reached ur target(goal), Take ur İsmail, he belongs to u after then u are nothing for me (u are not close to me). Tell to ur bro/sister he/she can be happy, ur sister and ?? brother came to u yesterday. How beautiful u educated and sent him, u took what u want. After these u can find a woman who will be a wife of ur nephew… U got me to this situation alltogether. I hope(i pray Allah), whom set up this situation Allah will give the punishment. At this sacred (holy)day, give news to ur sister, everybody can be happy now."



Thread: english to turkish please

1859.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Mar 2007 Thu 12:18 am

Quoting anna06:

just sitting thinking about you, thank you for today you looked really really handsome sitting there, and also thank you for some of the words you said to me, that made me really happy.



sadece oturmuş seni düşÃ¼nüyorum, bugün için teşekkürler orada otururken gerçekten çok yakışıklı görünüyordun, ve söylediklerin(söylediğin kelimeler)için de
teşekkürler, hakikaten beni çok mutlu etti.



Thread: mustafa kemal ataturk plate

1860.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 11:48 pm

Quoting tommysbar:

WONDER IF ANYONE COULD HELP I HAVE GOT 2 ATATURK WALL PLATES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ON THE BACK IT SAYS " BU TABAK TURKIYE'NINEBEDI SEFI YUCE ATATURK'UN DOGUMUNUN 100 UNCU YILDONUMU HATIRASI OLARAK YAPILMISTIR I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE ON THE NET AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE VALUE. THE DATE ALSO SAYS 1881 TO 1981



I can't say anything about value, i do not know but its written something like this on the back...

"This plate had been made for memoirs of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Türkiye’s eternal chief eminent Atatürk."



Thread: can someone translate these sentences, from turkce to english thank youuu

1861.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 11:36 pm

Quoting melnceyhun:

ben yazıcam sen inglishceye ceviriceksin abi

sen kıza söyle şimdi

sen buraya geldiginde seni ailem le tanıştırmayı cok istiyorum

gecen ğün seni kız kardeşime gösterdim ve seni o cok beyendi


o senin le tanışmayı cok istiyor

ve ben sensis yapamıyorum burada aşkım

ben dünyanın en şanslı erkeyiyim

seni ilk tanıdıgım ğün ben cok mutluydum


hele hele ö ğün gidiyordunya elimden tutup beni yukarı cıkardın ya sonrasında oradan ayrılmıştın senin elini hiç bırakmak istememiştim





i will write and u will translate into English brother
tell the girl now
when u come here, i want to introduce u to my family so much.
The day before (the other day) i showed u to my sister and she liked u very much.
She wants to meet(recognize) you so much
And i couldnt live here without you my love(darling)
I'm the most luckiest guy(boy) in the world
I was very happy when i first met u

Especially that day while you were leaving, u grabbed my hand and took me to the upstairs then u had leaved. At that time i had never wanted to release your hand.



Thread: turkish to english translation please - Thank you!

1862.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 08:34 pm

Quoting tricky:

merhaba nasılsın?... sana birkaçtane foto göndereceğim umarım beğenirsin...
cevap vermedin..galiba benim yüzümden sana geç cevap yazdığım için mi böyle
yapıyorsun.. aslında herşey düşÃ¼ndüğün gibi degil.. birçok problemle
uğrasıyorum... sorunlarım vardı şimdiye kadar..
o nedenle görüşemedik... üzgünüm sana zaman ayıramadığım için..
aklımda çok güzel düşÃ¼ncelerim var ilerisi için ve bu
düşÃ¼ncelerin içinde sen de varsın... tabiki sende istersen...
bu düşÃ¼ncelerden birtaneside Louise in yanına, yani ingiltere
de beraber yaşamak istiyorum.
nedersin? bu konuda bana katılırmsın_?
beraber olursak çok mutlu olacağımıza inanıyorum...
bütün bunları şu nedenle söylüyorum, orda rahat olacağımıza
inandığım için....

seni tanıdığım için kendimi çok şanslı hissediyorum..
hayatımda beni unutmayan tek kişi sensin.. teşekkürler....
seni çok özledim... kocaman öptüm.. kendine çok iyi bak





Let me try;

hello how are you?... i’ll send you several photos i hope you like…you don’t reply…presumedly the reason is me, do u treat like this because i wrote you a late reply…
Actually everything is not like as you thought…i’m struggling with lots of problems…i have had troubles till now… so we cannot meet…im sorry i can’t allocate time to you…i have lots of beautiful thinkings for the future in my mind and you are also in these thinkings…
Off course if you want…one these thinkings is i want to live with Louise, namely i want to live in England together…what do you say?do you agree with me on this subject?
I believe we’ll be so happy if we live together…i said all of these because, i believe we’ll be comfortable there…

I feel very lucky because i recognized you…
You are the only person who haven’t forgotten me in my life…thank you…
I missed u so much…big kisses( kiss u)…take care of yourself…



Thread: e t t please x x x

1863.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 06:38 pm

Quoting stephie:

hello babe.i hope you are ok! how was it today? what did they say?i hope everything is ok.i never thought i would miss you as much as i do.

thanks in advance x x x



Merhaba bebek. Umarım iyisindir!Günün nasıldı? Ne dediler?
Umarım herşey yolundadır. Seni hiç bu kadar özleyeceğimi düşÃ¼nmemiştim.



Thread: eng-tur

1864.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 06:25 pm

Quoting lissydoll:

merhaba please can you help me translate to turkish

"does anyone know if there is an ice rink in aydin?"

and also, can you tell me if you actually know about an ice rink in aydin please thanks x



"Aydın'da buz pateni salonu olup olmadığını kimse biliyor mu?" or it can be

"Aydın'da buz pateni salonu olup olmadığını biliyormusunuz?"

i think this is more convenient but not a translation word by word...

i dont have knowledge about an ice rink in Aydın...i think there are ice rinks in big cities such as Ankara, İstanbul...



Thread: eng - turk lutfennnnnnnnnn!

1865.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 06:12 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

"im very bored...i waited for you to come on msn but you didnt come"



Çok sıkıldım... Senin "MSN"ye gelmeni bekledim ama sen glmedin.



Thread: Lutfen, will someone tell me if this translation is correct lutften?

1866.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 08:26 am

Quoting deb1207:

Merhaba...Hello, I am a student doing a project on learning "beginning" Turkish.

Bir as Turkce konisiyorum.

Bir kimse: can someone tell me if this translation is correct? Tesekkur ederim. Here it is:

ENGLISH:
The nice man is giving a dog to a friend's child. He will bring a dog to us.

TURKCE:
Guzel adam köpeği dostin cocuk veriyor. Kopek bize getirecek.



Hoş adam bir arkadaşının çocuğuna köpeği veriyor. O bize bir köpek getirecek.



Thread: translation plzzz

1867.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Mar 2007 Wed 08:21 am

Quoting BLUELADY:

Can anyone help me to translate this: < soon you`ll lose me because i am to the limit with the patience. if you dont come here to take me,i stop this relation,i need you in my real life not in internet. all depends of you now- you choise>
thxxx alot



Yakında beni kaybedeceksin çünkü sabrımın sonuna geldim. Eğer buraya gelip beni almazsan, bu ilişkiyi bitireceğim, sana gerçek hayatta ihtiyacım var internette değil. Şimdi herşey sana bağlı-senin seçimin(seçimini yap)



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