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170.       TeresaJana
304 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:47 am

Perhaps..maybe Im wrong but..Recalling the clip...realizing a message that it leans toward one side of the coin more than the other. If it had leaned the other way, the modern islamic women would have most likely been portrayed in a more modern and natural 'work/home setting... Either side of the coins views...its a politically hot topic. The fact that it was 'women' portrayed instead of men is seemingly the biggest que for
one's own personal view/message of the clip?

171.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 12:58 am

Türkiye, The Turkish Culture, is the first country in the world to allow woman to vote in the world history according to the historical documents.
Anatolian Women have been electing prime minister, minister, deputy, governor, president of law court, general manager, director, professor...
They are engineer, worker, doctor, teacher, expert, officer, merchant, businesswoman...and housewife...
Anatolian Women is a respected people like you.
There are many women like Anatolian Women in every country.
Because mother is mother.
There are a lot of minorities in the foreign countries.
Are they pure ethnical groups in this planet?
All citizens have the same rules and rights as the rest of the people in the countries.
As you know, ”All humans are related, only difference is the time scale”.
There is only one ethnical group in this planet, it is humanity.
Are we really a person from the other side of the universe?
Nations, branches and clans are the families of the humanity tree by God in our planet…
And there is no minority in Türkiye according to Law Constitution and laws.For example, my aunts daughter married Kurdish guy last year.
The Kurdish and all other people in Türkiye are the first class and real one of Turkish ethnical family clans, they are Turks...
Turk Kurdish people and terrorist organization are different things.We never compare apples with pearles.
Terrorist organization is a humanity crime.
There is no terrorism in the Turkish Culture.
See = Turkish and Turk Otoman Empire History by
Caroline Finkel, Justin MacCarty, etc..Historians..
Because all they are Turks and Turkish Citizens according to Turkish Laws..
Human is human according to Great Turkish Culture world-wide.According to Turkish Poets Hacı Bektaş Veli, Yunus Emre, Mevlana, Aşık Veysel...
The Turkish Culture have come from Middle Asia, Anatolia and Turk Ottoman Empire (1300-1922) which ruled successfully Eastern Europe, Southern Africa, Anatolia, Middle East for 400-610 years.
I cannot understand some words exactly,
If someone could tell us what those words mean?
I don’t know English well like you.
But there is a meaningful Turkish proverb in Turkish Literature=
“Bad/evil words reflects on the speaker”.
As a result, these are Atatürk’s very important words=
“The enemy of the Turkish Nation is the enemy of the humanity”.
“Peace in the home, peace on the world”.

172.       leander
44 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 01:01 am

Quoting azade:

Quoting leander:


For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles.
Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me.


IQ is beside the point but mine's just fine...138 But no I don't remember applauding any anti-secular articles because I AM FOR SECULARISM. I don't know if this is what you're referring to but I do remember some people getting overhyped by the chance of Gül takign the precidential post if that's what you're talking about..? And about that, I just don't believe there's any chance that AKP's so stupid that they want to sneak religion back into politics, because that's not what they have done so far - they have established better communicaion and reputation towards the outside world eg. the EU.
Discussing politics is a wonderful thing because that's what democracy is about but when it can't be discussed without throwing stones that's where I back out.

Quoting leander:


We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer.


Well then I think we pretty much agree on this matter. I also care a great deal for those women's rights especially since I have lived among them and seen what their lives are all about. They deserve a lot of respect and shouldn't be used as political scapegoats. Think you agree on this also, no?

Quoting leander:


lol Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself.
lol again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean.
Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda.


They only have something to do with eachother because people are constantly trying to make those ties - it's spin.
I'm not going to comment any further because you don't have anything to put your personal insults in and I don't want to stoop to that level. Ignorancy is indeed a commen thing to turn to if you're lacking factual evidence. You have no reason to attack me as I am neither of things you have labelled me as. If you have any questions be so kind so send me a PM, I don't think the rest of the members are interested in reading any more of this bogus.

out of concern to the original topic, applauding cultural heritage, I'm sorry some individuals had to turn this into personal attacks. It seems that it's not possible to discuss anything here objectively.




What is a spin?That Barzanni supports AKP regime? The same Barzani that supports and provides a safe haven for PKK terrorist? That most kurds who are very conservative and religious vote for AKP?

Blame others of attacking you,in fact you are the one that attacked everyone who doesn't think like you and blamed people with turning this into a political debate just because we said that there is a political message in the video.May not like your views but I never insulted you.I just implied that ignorance and arroggance don't go together well and you shouldn't try to lecture people in an arrogant tone especially when your knowledge on those subjects are evidently very limited.
Who is using village people as a political scapegoat? Everything you say is distortion. I agree on one thing, no point in discussing with someone like you.I can do better things with my time.
As for the IQ matter , i didn't say anything about YOUR IQ,I just said that it should be clear to anyone that aproving those articles that bash secular institutions is indicative of supporting anti secular sentiments or not? You don't even understand what i mean, yet you claim to have a high IQ level. lol Yeah ,right, if you say so.But just because people don't go around bragging about their IQ level, it doesn't mean they have a less IQ than yours

173.       leander
44 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 01:06 am

Quote:

Quoting armegon

[QUOTE SOURCE=leander:

Really? Where were you when AKP propagandists spam the board with zillions of anti-state, anti secular articles and irrelevant AKP eulogies on Turkey section back to back, taken from the same islamist source?



That is true, when i first joined to TC, i sent a letter to admin about one of these AKP propagandist article reminding admin the forum rule number 10…But i realised that nothing would have happened and i got no answer to my letter, so i began to write under these topics about politics.



I've also been wondering why those spammers never get any warnings.
What they do is simply spamming the board and using it for political propaganda.
Its not like someone sends one or tow articles on subjects they are interested in and want to discuss about.They just spamm the board away with dosens of pro AKP anti turkish state articles taken from the SAME islamist sourceses (like yenizamanan.com) and they always have the EXACT SAME mesage.I get the feeling that they get paid by either AKP or Fettullah Hoca.

I don't know if you noticed but some of them never even bother to construct a single sentence by themselves let alone commenting on ANY of those articles or anything else on this board.They just post zillions of articles and run away.One would think they would at least do it on News and Articles section but to get more attention they post them on other more popular sections like Turkey or Off-Topic.If THATS not spam , i don't know what qualifies as spam.
When is this going to stop? Or are we supposed to spam the place with tons of contra articles too?
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femme_fatal I hope you and KeithL have citizenship and vote on the 22 July

174.       azade
1606 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 01:25 am

Even though you are watchful with your words it's very clear to see what you're implying. Anyway I have nothing against you whatsoever I just think you're real quick to judge people. I haven't jumped anyones throat sponaneously, if that would be the case ever then please accept my apology because it's obviously a very destructive thing to do. Tension has been lurking on the forum for some time now, surfaces in any political discussion and I just hate that everything has to get personal. What would the actual political realm look like if everyone were going on eachothers cases? But we're all human and right now I'm just so fed up with personal attacks that I can't keep my comments 100% clean (hence my IQ outburst ). Obviously I'm not the only one. Let's just get back to discussing politics at room temperature, I don't think anyone wanted anything else.
I know nothing of Barzani's political affairs or AKP in general apart other than there's just no reason for them to have a hidden islamistic agenda, and that's not an opinion I have because I'm islamistic because I'm obviously not, that's a general opinion over here. I would probably never vote for AKP anyway.

175.       leander
44 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 01:43 am

Please accept my appoligies too if i said something that offended you although i didn't mean to, i must admitt that im a little tense these days,and very sensetive about some issues cus Turkey has been going through a very difficult time, so my posts may have sounded harsher then i really intended to...if so, sorry.
Peace


176.       mylo
856 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 02:30 am

Do you folks ever give up?ok I hate Kurds,Turks,English,Germans,French,and Americans(and anybody else in this world,even eskimoes and i dont like what they wear,think,or their political preference)will this actually change anything?I place a bomb in some of these countries mentioned,would this help this discussion?In fact I believe that this problem is about East meeting West,the fact that everyone in the West must accept people from the East to work,live,practice their religion here,our over reported dialogue in the West for Eastern Europeans to work here without prejudice could be a problem,for the westerners on the other hand we in the West are supposed to look to the East with suspicion(hope i spelled that rightfright,and a view of splinter terrorism groups,wondering if one day "I could meet a nail bomb full on in the face".Is this about Religion?if it is then it has driven a huge wedge between people,and has put into reverse what it intended.
There exists a belief that the Devil himself has created all religion as a means of hate,distrust,anger,and belligirence to be performed between us earthlings,and in the hope that humanity will destroy itself,if that is the case then what are we doing now?ripping shreds from each other because one religion(or political group)does not believe in another?We in all religions believe in faith the Lord,inner strength(in one way or another)forgivness,love,respect,peace on the world etc,
but in the East AND the West we are blowing the legs off children in one way or another,can anyone tell me what this religion is?does this religion have a special name?I think the fundamentalist argument from either side cannot work,because these opinions are driven by the media/hate and a few political people wishing their demands from both East and West.It seems the Devil is winning,and in my opinion it's nonsense that you all can find such a divide between yourselves,to actually feel hate when probably none of you have ever even met?
or am i missing the mark?

177.       KeithL
1455 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 02:36 am

Quoting leander:

Quoting azade:

AlphaF > where is that coming from? Surely you are not aware of my standpoints and I for one also do not wish to discuss them here because obviously it's not possible to have such a debate without swearing.

leander > would you kindly show me where I have have applauded anti-secular propaganda? And by the way I'm 100 % for keeping Turkey secular.



For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles.
Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me.


Quote:

People are putting huge words in their mouths 'ISLAMIST! PROPAGANDA!' - are you even aware of the meaning of these harsh words? Maybe the current political situation in Turkey is making you jump at the slightest reminder of your cultural heritage but there's no reason to attack the rest of us who's more acceptive and appreciative of cultural differences.
What's the big harm in elder women in a village setting? They are an important part of Turkey's heritage and there's nothing suspecious about it.
This is just going way too far. If you're afraid of anyone slightly köylü then go around for crying out loud.
I for one have much respect for these women because of their obvious strength and knowledge on life.




We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer.


Quote:

One thing: PKK, religion and the army has nothing to do with eachother whatsoever




lol Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself.
lol again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean.
Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda.



This is the best post in the history of TLC....

178.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 02:48 am

Quoting leander:

1-Only a small percentage of turkish people live in rural areas.
Vast majority of Turks live in cities.Only Istanbuls population reached 25 million which is more than 1/3 of Turkey...add other cities to that in which tens of millions of people live...So how come some people claim only people who live in rural areas,farmers are the only representatives of turkish "culture"?
2-The purpose of this video may be open to interpretation but the reason for posting such a video here is clear,especially since this place have been invaded by islamist AKP propagandists who post anti-secular, anti state, pro headscarf islamist articles three times a day.They probably want to say with this: "Look this is the turkish culture! Wearing headscarfs! Türban is just a modernised version of it." Which is actually the oposite of the message of the video.'Cus it says in turkish that those political islamist "türban" wearing models have nothing in common with those hardworking humble rural women.Also they wear headscarf not for islamist reasons,- if you look closer you can see some oftheir hair- , but for tradition and protection from the sun 'cause they work in the farm all day long.

3-I think people who have a critical aproach and question the women rights in rural Turkey here have much more love and respect for those women than the ones who say they are "proud " of their condition and cloths and the way they live, cus it represents the "culture" they approve and want to preserve as islamists, who want to see women covered from head to toe, their role limited to geting married to the one their parents want them to, raising children and doing whats told by their husband, whom many of them didn't even had the chance to choose by themselves.
No need to attack catwoman and others just because they don't faint with delight and admiration to the "culture" when they see a 65 year old women wearing old ragged cloths and carrying heavy loads in her back while probably their men are playing cards in the "kahvehane".
I admire village people, they are wonderful in many ways, but the role of women is not one of those admirable qualities.

It's funny how some islamists who constantly talk about human rights and democracy when it comes to being allowed wearing headscarves in universities, get mad and accuse others of disrespecting the "culture" when people point out to severe woman rights violations in rural areas or islamist circles.


This is music... So eloquently said and brilliant!

179.       mylo
856 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 04:17 am

And still the petty attacks do not stop,like fish we nibble just like fish we nibble and nip

180.       Elisa
0 posts
 03 Jun 2007 Sun 10:31 am

Kudos to you Leander

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