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31 May 2007 Thu 08:12 pm |
I did not made the rules that says you can not wear scarf on public places you can not leave your job at job hours (school too) This are not my rules they are braking. Republican rules. I see some of you still think "no harm with praying" well for your children's sake think twice, will they let your grandsons live however they wants?
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31 May 2007 Thu 08:21 pm |
Democracy ? Democracy ?
Where did he go ?
It was just here a couple of seconds ago....???....
There is no freedom in any government system but rules.
Or it would be called something like freocracy.
Better to keep rules of democracy, which is different in every country.
There is no perfect democracy as there is no perfect human. So it is so easy to adapt/change democracy into whatever you want playing with people, brainwashing, fake news etc.
And you still feel/call it as democracy. Because democracy is you and you are the democracy.
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31 May 2007 Thu 08:24 pm |
Why are all these women in headscarfs and in a village setting? You make such videos and then are surprised about the kinds of stereotypes that people have about Turks.
Isn't it the same in guide books about Turkey, which are sold in abroad? Yes it's the culture, but a complicated culture, not just consists of these kind of women. Maybe the people who prepare these books and advertisements think that it will be attractive in these way. There are modern people all around the world-if clothing is a sign of being modern(?)I think they don't think much about the stereotypes that people have about Turks. Which is a pitty..Or do they really unconsciously want Turkish women to be like that?...
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31 May 2007 Thu 08:36 pm |
Quoting aycinu:
Why are all these women in headscarfs and in a village setting? You make such videos and then are surprised about the kinds of stereotypes that people have about Turks.
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Who is you? Who made this video? Like I said, the maker of this video has a political agenda. The video footage was chosen ver carefully.
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31 May 2007 Thu 08:43 pm |
What a lovely video, thank you for posting it.
I don't know why such a thing should spark such controversy. I've been to Turkey and spent much time in the Köy and found most of the women there dress like this. So what? I even dressed like that myself when I was there. It's very comfortable. I made the mistake of taking some of my Western shoes. Forget it. I couldn't walk on the earth roads and my feet got pretty funky with the dirt getting in everything. There is a lot of wisdome in traditional dress. It has evolved to fit the needs of the environment.
Even in Istanbul, it was hard to walk on the cobblestone walkways. Much of our Western fashions are counter productive in as much as it's not functional for life.
As for having children. How many "older" women in the West spend mega $ to have the chance to be mothers? I must say there is something about Anatolian culture that enables them to raise wonderful children. The nicest children I've ever met are there.....you don't see the rebellious "out of control" teens you see in the West. Whatever they are doing, it works.
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31 May 2007 Thu 08:50 pm |
They may wear scarf because of religion.
They may wear scarf because of the work in field, protecting from sun and dust etc.
They may wear scarf because of religion and the work in the field etc.
The scenery is not disturbing me as it is not disturbing to see women without scarf.
What is the point on scarf ?
What if they are just trying to keep their religion rules ?
And what if they don't want to wear it ?
That scarf thing has started when I was at university in Ankara. I mean the major start of talks.
Some people were discovered entering exams instead of their friends. Even men.
There were some teachers/professors who were not accepting scarfed and heavy beard/mustache students into their classes.
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I have a funny story about it. In an opposite case.
I was attending some extra classes, as we all do, at the university. History of Seljuk Empire. I was a long haired student and the teacher was one of Wolf People who doesn't like people looks strange to Turkish culture, like long haired people. So, I was trying to hide from him, I mean sitting in back benches, trying not have an eye contact with him etc.. I love history. I was the most successful student in his exams, history was not my major though. He was surprised to see one of outer-students to history department had the highest marks. He called me several times, sending invitations through my friends but I have never talked to him. My grades would not mean anything to him if he saw me. I think.
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There also were some students using it as a political symbol in the garden of university, thus causing some fights among students.
So the university started not to accept students with scarf into the school. Was it a good decision ? No !
The phenomenon has spread throughout the country.
I am not against anything, but %100000 against usage of religion and religious symbols in politics.
Let people live however they want freely and think of other preventing steps to keep religion away from politics.
I am also ashamed to see some European countries banning scarf.
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31 May 2007 Thu 09:36 pm |
Quoting KeithL: Quoting aycinu:
Why are all these women in headscarfs and in a village setting? You make such videos and then are surprised about the kinds of stereotypes that people have about Turks.
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Who is you? Who made this video? Like I said, the maker of this video has a political agenda. The video footage was chosen ver carefully. |
keith
will you finally pls tell me what political agenda/propaganda/message this video footage has? is it a secret? because as you know none of us (infidels) could get an idea of it due to our being non-turkish, we were told that only pure TURKS can understand it, that theres a big meaning to the turkish people in this little clip. come one, tell us what it is. what do you see in there? dont be afraid of judgements of 'true' turks.
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31 May 2007 Thu 09:41 pm |
i sort of agree with sunflowerseed, to some extent, that the religion shouldnt mess around the politics and the state should stay secular away from all the religions.
imho the religion is a personal thing, it must be private, believe in religion? well, believe in it, but dont force it on others. thats all.
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31 May 2007 Thu 10:42 pm |
Catwoman, I am curious as to what your relationship is with Turkey. You seem to be on some kind of crusade to rescue poor Turkish women from their opressing society where they have no rights or freedom. However, I have to say that I have never spoken to any Turkish woman who didn't love their culture or lifestyle. Working hard, looking after their loved ones. The only people I have ever seen complain about it, are people who are not Turkish. To be honest, they are not forced into submission, to stay home and do nothing but cook and clean. Yes, it is expected mostly but not forced. Every experience I have with Turkish families has proven the fact that they find this way of life more of a partnership that works best for them. He works out of the house, she works in the house. And I personally, think the world could be a lot better if more countries were willing to work like this. So many women get caught up in being equal to men , they act as though its not their place to cook and clean, but are fine to go to pubs and leave their children with strangers to look after etc. So I was just curious, what experiences you have that make you feel Turkish women need saving?
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31 May 2007 Thu 11:15 pm |
Quote: they act as though its not their place to cook and clean, but are fine to go to pubs and leave their children with strangers to look after etc. |
Whoawww, what kind of comment is that??? How old is your child? Very young indeed. Please think about comments before you post, my son is now a teenager but if I did not on occasion get away from home I would have gone insane. I do not have family and parents to babysit but had to work and also find time having adult conversation so I surely hope you are not accusing people that hire babysitters of being bad mothers??? I also have never met a women who never cooks or cleans....even a feminist! i think those would be considered "slobs"
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31 May 2007 Thu 11:29 pm |
Good grief, of course I am not saying parents who hire babysitters are bad parents. How on earth did you get that??
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