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31 May 2007 Thu 12:43 am |
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Quoting mltm: I don't attack you, I criticize you, and you do this to me as well.
I criticize you because I always see you criticizing the turkish women for being weak, submissive etc and the turkish men oppressing the women, but never talking about the reasons. You just blame and get angry at. You never analyze. |
You don't criticize me for "not analyzing" though mltm 
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31 May 2007 Thu 12:51 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I will add just my small meaning to this subject shortly.
I cant look behind peoples eyes and see their true thoughts when I dont know them, but the lines of life on the faces of the women in traditional lcothing in İzmir that sell herbs on the streets tell a 1000 stories. But in most of the women, one of these stories is content, satisfied with their lives. Maybe because of not knowing better, maybe because this is Turkish lifestyle in many parts and.. Turkish people maybe live with lots of pain, but all the eyes I have seen carry life in them.
All I wished for is that people would get equal chances in education. Then, you can decide for yourself what you would want to do. But at least the choice will be yours. |
well done. tho im not that gifted to read 1000 stories on the streets, generally you put it nice. and the best part of your post is the last.
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31 May 2007 Thu 01:06 am |
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Quoting mltm: I don't attack you, I criticize you, and you do this to me as well.
I criticize you because I always see you criticizing the turkish women for being weak, submissive etc and the turkish men oppressing the women, but never talking about the reasons. You just blame and get angry at. You never analyze. |
I don't really see where it is that she is "criticizing turkish women", maybe I am blind  Maybe slightly stereo typing those women, but I wonder if those same women do not stereo type as well? Since I am a "westernized" woman I wonder what the same women in these photos would say of me? Not knowing that I live for children and for being married also. Everyone stereo types different cultures, oh yes, even turkish people.
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31 May 2007 Thu 01:08 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I will add just my small meaning to this subject shortly.
I cant look behind peoples eyes and see their true thoughts when I dont know them, but the lines of life on the faces of the women in traditional lcothing in İzmir that sell herbs on the streets tell a 1000 stories. But in most of the women, one of these stories is content, satisfied with their lives. Maybe because of not knowing better, maybe because this is Turkish lifestyle in many parts and.. Turkish people maybe live with lots of pain, but all the eyes I have seen carry life in them.
All I wished for is that people would get equal chances in education. Then, you can decide for yourself what you would want to do. But at least the choice will be yours. |
No society has succeeded in making gipsies a part of its society yet. Gipsies' understanding of life differs from ours.
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31 May 2007 Thu 01:11 am |
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Quoting qdemir:
No society has succeeded in making gipsies a part of its society yet. Gipsies' understanding of life differs from ours. |
That is true. I can also say that not many people here look at the gypsies with warm feelings. But the point of my story was that people can be satisfied with their lives in ways we cannot understand, and in, as femme_fatal noticed, the last sentence of my post 
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31 May 2007 Thu 01:19 am |
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Maybe Turkish born understand the video about these seemingly contrasting women. There only seemed to be one thing in common and that was headgear. How we as individuals view this personally is reflective of our own particulary ego/personality/environment...even state of mind at the time of viewing it. BUT what is the REAL message...is probably only known by the producer's own ego hehe
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31 May 2007 Thu 01:28 am |
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Quoting TeresaJana: Maybe Turkish born understand the video about these seemingly contrasting women. There only seemed to be one thing in common and that was headgear. How we as individuals view this personally is reflective of our own particulary ego/personality/environment...even state of mind at the time of viewing it. BUT what is the REAL message...is probably only known by the producer's own ego hehe |
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31 May 2007 Thu 02:35 am |
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...Now Where's the video with hardworking simple man-folk and gorgeous male models?  (my humble humor
tap tap..Im waiting...MRX..
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31 May 2007 Thu 02:50 am |
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Quoting TeresaJana: ...Now Where's the video with hardworking simple man-folk and gorgeous male models? (my humble humor
tap tap..Im waiting...MRX.. |
Yes, I'm also waiting for that one
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31 May 2007 Thu 04:47 am |
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How did i ignore this thread for days? Very very interesting film and a very important message.
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31 May 2007 Thu 05:47 am |
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First off all,
1)Folkloric clothes of Turkish people
and
2)economical and social problems of Turkish people
are
two different things.
I was answering Catwoman's statements related to Turkish villagers' clothes.
But Catwoman changed the subject suddenly and wrote a comment on Turkish women's social and economical troubles.
Firstly, let me make it clear the cloth issue.
Regardless the stereotyped image of Turkish people, show the Turkish people as who they exactly are.
If you are to show the Turkish villagers, show the exact picture, like the video does in this thread.
The point is that Turkish people are neither a traditionally European people, nor a Arabic people.
As for the Turkish women rights issue;
This web site would be one of the last places (If not the last) to discuss Turkish people's social problems, mainly because of the fact that the issue would be discussed with foreigners most of whom are merely tourists.
The other reason is that We Turks have already been discussing the issue for ages. Nearly all questions have been answered by Turkish sociologists and intellectuals since 1850's.
For instance, Namik Kemal, who was a brilliant Turkish intellectual, pointed out many problems of Turkish women, and explained the solutions in 1860's.
www.wikipedia.org/Namik_Kemal
There're many university researches on the tradional problems of Turkish women in Turkey.
So, what are you expecting to achive in discussing the issue with the people of Turkey, unless your intention is annoying the local people.
What's the real point really, Catwoman?
The most demonstrative posts would exactly be like the below one If we were to discuss the issue with a couple of tourists.
"Okkay, now let's see Turkish men's videos."
Enough is enough.
Please stop telling Turkish people their own people.
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