OMG.... I do prefer french...

My 12-year older brother used to say Latin proverbs during dish washing when I was a kid. He was (is) such a teaser that after a while I changed his favorite one ´Ceteram censeo Cathaginem delendam esse´ and replaced Carthaginem for his name.....

going back to the discussion.
I have read almost all of the posts..
I am not going to quote all of them here but I can clearly say what aenigma and trudy said (from racism to police) here were completely right.
Our racism is an endemic.
Because we, Turks so used to it and it is almost everywhere, we tend to think that it is NOT racism and racism does not exist in Turkey.
Our nationalism was the cement of our republic at the begining almost 100 years ago.
Almost the entire system from education to the state television, from perception of foreigners to the position of the army etc are based on this nationalism.
And like any other nationalism, our nationalism defines itself with the feelings against enemies not with friendship.

We believe that ´we dont have any problems´ in our borders, it is all foreign powers trying to devide us (as they dont want to see us strong ).
We can not even comprehend the idea that ´there are some people in Turkey and they dont WANT TO CALL THEMSELVES TURKS´.
Then, they got to be the enemies of our republic. that is how our nationalism labels them. That is how the army calls them that is how  most of the media calls them.
That is how common people see this entire kurdish problem unfortunately. (the term common includes the educated ones too btw)
For many people it is always more comfortable to put their heads in the sand and ignore what is really going on.

btw.. This post is NOT specifically about PKK (let alone supporting it) -I will say it before someone else-

 Awww, c´est mignon ma cherie. Je t´aime

I know je t´aime... (ben de seni of course) but the rest darling.. please send me a translation...

 I agree.....+10000

 OK chérie, please do not hit your delicate head onto walls. I said "that´s cute my darling."

I can justify you at some points. will it comfort you?

What was the purpose of these posts and what is your purpose posting such things? 1) You want to educate or inform turkish members of this site? or 2) you want to educate or enlight foreigner members of this site? if the 1)st one, it seems pointless because there are not much Turkish member (and YOU should ask yourself why is it? is it because of many irksome prejudiced posts about turks? or should I say "enlighten" posts). if the 2)nd one, it seems it has a point, because if foreigners know how turks are racists, may preserve themselves from our racism. maybe there should be a sticky topic as a warning, like, becareful to turks because they are racists. it could be useful.  will give you free time that you can spend for another things.

your posts serve nothing but a negative propaganda. if you are well intentioned go and discuss these in a turkish site with turks. they may change their ideas and stop being racist as you say or you may change your idea and stop accusing turks as racist.

 I would just like to make 2 points on this post:

1) I don´t think the foreign members of this site who read and post in the forums regularly (I am excluding people on the site purely for translations of love texts here) actually need thehandsom to educate and enlighten them on the subject of Turkish racism - most of us were already well aware of it.

2) I asked myself why there are not many Turkish members on the site and came up with the answer that it is possibly because the site is called Turkish Language Class - Free Online Turkish Language Resource and probably the majority of Turks aren´t going to be attracted to a site that offers to teach them their own language. 

I would like to make some points:

1. People are racists, not the countries (yet I can count a couple) Yes, there is racism in Turkey, but not only to Kurds, to everyone as, every person who is a racist have had some bad experience with someone in the past, who belongs to a minority or even a city, and they take the opportunity to take revenge.. the reason could be anything.

2. There is racism everywhere, not only Turkey, and will be everywhere as long as there is man on earth.  And since the topic started PKK terrorists killing Turkish soldiers, saying too loud that there is racism in Turkey sounds like justification of what has happened or happenning in Turkey..

3.  All the people who were participating in this debate have settled opinions, and nobody will change their ideas I believe, because some other person says something different.  And you can never end this debate, because we have no time limit and no jury.

4.  Still I believe it is nice to discuss and make our views heard, but I sincerely condemn the people who participate just to annoy others or have fun.  It is not ethical, and it is not right.  This is what is happening in the big scale in our countries.. you know in Turkey, we have an expression:

Deli kuyuya bir taþ atmýþ, bin akýllý çikaramamýþ.

Thank you

 Let me disagree

I m not Turkish. I am not Turk. But i am interested in what is going on in Turkey, its life etc. It is great that besides language I can get such multifaceted information here. It gives mental pabulum. Because of it language is not just language anymore, but smth that finds special support and content, that gives additional motivation to study. You feel more involved into language because you start feeling the country, people, and nation.

topics are not always rainbow, though vitally important. Thinking people are able to shift the wheat from the chaff.