I have some ideas but sure may look funny and unrealistic.

1. Because Turkish boys find European gilrs more desirable and try to do their best for them instead of for Turkish girls.

2. -I hope Europeans won' be offended- Turkish moral values are different from Europeans. Western world want their children more "open minded" and they generally miss the protecting point. Protect from all badnesses of social life. For example, bad addictions cigarette, alcohol, drugs etc. are much more common in Europe, I think it is because of that idea: "being open minded". It generally doesn't work here. We are conservative even though we don't have conservative ideas. And this conservatism makes us pay attention of relations with the people, especially about special relations like with the girlfriends.

I have never been in outside of Turkey but as far as I know from the movies from all over the world -especially Hollywood and European cinema-, this is the most important thing what girls want and boys never want: marry

For us, one of the most important thing is family, and without a marriage, you cannot be a real family. Being together without marriage is a sin according to the belief and also very bad thing for tranditional ideas. When I think and compare these all:

Turkish boys directly wants the girls from the other countries and they show their warm part, behave more sincerely, try to be more kind. Turkish boy always consider that at the end of the story, there will generally be a marriage. And for that reason, this relation must be some more serious (not a one-night-love or short term like in holywood or european movies generally). And when you add the points of the girls wish about the love as generally, this makes the Turkish boys more valued.

I am not sure, as I said this may sound some unrealistic. But day by day, I am getting to accept this stronglier.

Hmm,
a nice discussion,
what we say is;
aşk aka da konar oka da.

That's the protactiveness I mean

Turkeys lover is a different saying of turkish boyfriend.

But your last remark interests me the most: the possesiveness. I noticed people differ on this. Thats what I explained above. In Holland society assumes it's always a bad thing. But lots of people (at least women) just don't agree. Like me. And others who have experienced the possesiveness of a turkish lover and not disliking it. I agree I have an ambivalent feeling about it, but NOT just a bad feeling. There's something good in it for me (what I miss in the west).

p.s It would be easier to talk with you if you let me know what cultures you're familiar with, born/grown up in and (have been) living in...?

Teen forum crap - I can see why you created a special "chat" thread Izah - the subject is SO IMPORTANT...

I spent the last week in Greece. My trip started in Athens and ended in Rhodos after spending a day on each one of the major Greek islands. Every town I visited in Greece was worth seeing. The beaches were nice and the museums were full of magnificient remnants of the past. During my stay in Greece I had a chance to make observations and hence direct comparisons between my country Turkey. Athens is less than 600 kilometers closer to a typical Western European country - say Germany - than Istanbul and, it is about that much closer to what we call a European life style. I spent 7 days in that country and being a sociable person tried to go into a dialogue with as many people as I could because I like socializing with people even better than sunbathing on a beach or you name it. Well the taxi driver I tried to talk to to lost his enthusiasm after learning that I was Turkish. Everyone I met had this little shock on learning about my nationality. What is the reason for this hatred? It is probably because prejudices provide the ground for justifying oneself. When you describe your identity with wrong criteria, you can feel happy with your conclusions which will give you a shelter from a cold and sad world.


Today the world is turning about cliches and stereotypes. I am talking about the stereotypes just like femme_fatal likes sharing with us every now and then. Indeed those women or men falling for a Turkish person are falling in love with a person without taking into account his nationality. I congratulate everyone who without heeding those ubiquitous clichés, open their hearts to people from other cultures. Whether they are Turkish or some other nationality.

the word greek makes some turks
and why are you surprised after the history between your countries or not good relationships today?