i'd like to know why so many turkish men are keen to get visas in england..then constantly talk about their love for their country..i don't understand it..if it is so good there when why did u leave?..confusing to me..of course people are free to love their country and its an admirable trait..but if u loved ur country that much u wouldn't have left it..(except in cases of civil unrest and war like with the jewish from various countries for example..or iraqis from iraq etc...but we are discussing turkish people here
hows that for controversial trudy and aenigma?

Good question! Come on guys (girls?), where are your answers?

It's also the same with America!

My turkish ex-husband used to be this way too and constantly found too many faults with the USA and it's people, it got so irritating after a while to hear his negative opinions all the time even whenever we went out to enjoy the day So it's no surprise for me to hear that they are also unhappy about being in England.

He would always throw in my face how wonderful his country is and his country people! Basically to me is that why they complain so much is because they miss their family, friends, culture and certain things of back home.

Of course I won't say that my country is perfect, but it's still my home and if I had to live in another country other then the USA then I would have to accept things as they are there and not knock it.

Well, its easy to answer really. In the case of the USA and UK - nobody goes there because they LOVE the country, they go they for certain freedom, or work, or money. They still retain their love for their home country. I suppose you could say that our countries are being USED but then again, do we own them? Shouldn't people have a right to go where they please?

I think there are a number of reasons why Turkish people might want to come to so called western countries such as the ones already mentioned like the UK and USA.Although it is worth mentioning that many Turkish people have no desire to leave their country.

First of all in my experience they might want to come because there are many more opportunies for work with better pay i.e. you might be able to build a more affluent and sustainable personal economy although having said that the cost of living is higher in the UK so it probably balances itself out.

Secondly they might have loved ones they want to be with and if that means moving then they will do that.

Again speaking from personal experience because thats all i have to go on,my fiance always says that the 'standards' in the UK are better.I think what he means by that is that the general living situation is improved. I.e hospitals,education and so on.I can't really comment on this because i have never experienced either of those institutions in Turkey.He also talks about the justice system as being some what corrupt especially the prisons.He also complains about the fact that he has to do national service.

Speaking for myself i think there is no reason why the governments' shouldnt grant more visas.I am bias of course because i want my fiance to come here once we are married and start a new life (If he decides he wants to) On the other hand he might not want to and in that case i will have to go and join him in Ankara.

Anyway just a few thoughts.Will be interesting to see what others have to say.

Well when I wanted to really see the world, I sold everything I had, packed some clothes into a backpack, got a one way ticket to South America.

I lived and worked 'illegally' as an American citizen in South America. While I LOVED South America and adopted it as my own, I too found myself like other immigrants complaining about things.

I mean, ever try to go to work when there is a university student strike and burning tires keep all buses and trains from passing? So, at times I compared my country to my host country.

There is a known and scientifically documented studies on cultural adaptation. And one of the many stages before reaching acceptance of a new cultural environment is the complaining stage. At one point everything that was great becomes horrible and you actually 'hate' it. Everybody who has lived for a length of time in another country, I'm not talking about traveling through although you can experience it with even short trips, experiences this. Some more severely than others and of course some pass through this stage faster and others linger.

That is the reason why immigrants complain! I personally seem to hit this stage of culture shock somewhere within the third month of living in another country. As I have lived in several countries I am aware of what is going on. So, I know how to 'treat' myself or accept that these feelings will disappear. But, it really comes with knowledge and recognition of what is occuring.

From my own personal experience....I have noticed that men seem to linger longer in this stage and adapt slower than women. I can't answer why. But it is only from my personal observation.

Capoeira, sounds reasonable and logic. But how much time do you think the complaining stage may take?

i'd just like to say for the record that i don't actually have a problem with this.just needed something controversial for us to post