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my controversial topic ;-)
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03 Dec 2006 Sun 09:20 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting kai: Anyway back on to the actual subject:
Some who are under the age of 18 don't have a choice whether they move to another country because they're parents make the choice for them. So they tend to moan about their new life because they miss their old friends, family or just the simple way of living.
Other than that I don't see a reason for a person to complain why they moved because no one made them move, right? |
No, that's not true. In my classes I have several former refugees. People from Nigeria, Afghanistan, Kurds from Iraq and other countries where it is/was not that nice. They didn't have a real choice as well. But after 10 years or more I think people should stop complaining and MAKE something of their lifes! |
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03 Dec 2006 Sun 09:23 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting kai: Anyway back on to the actual subject:
Some who are under the age of 18 don't have a choice whether they move to another country because they're parents make the choice for them. So they tend to moan about their new life because they miss their old friends, family or just the simple way of living.
Other than that I don't see a reason for a person to complain why they moved because no one made them move, right? |
No, that's not true. In my classes I have several former refugees. People from Nigeria, Afghanistan, Kurds from Iraq and other countries where it is/was not that nice. They didn't have a real choice as well. But after 10 years or more I think people should stop complaining and MAKE something of their lifes! |
But thats what I am saying, why are they complaining? They are safer where they are now when where they were. Alot of people would love to be in their position.
I know people from Iraq and although they love their country and miss it very much they are thanking God that they are not thier now and very thankful that they are safe. So although they had no choice in moving they don't complain because they no the other place they could be living in.
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03 Dec 2006 Sun 09:27 pm |
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Quoting Capoeira: Ok Trudy...I totally agree with you. People at some point need to take responsibility for their own lives. But, having lived abroad, starting from scratch, I mean no family, friends, job, is really tough. I happen to have a tough stick to it personality, but not all others. Also, while I was just another illegal, I was a college educated "AMERICAN" illegal immigrant. So people were very happy and excited to see me applying for jobs in their establishment. I did not experience the prejudice and racism that other immigrants had to face. My American citizenship afforded me priviledges that others did not have. So, I am sure their hardship is double and their personal mountains to climb are even higher. So, I'm saying as an educator we motivate people and yes it's frustrating when we don't see them ever 'getting' it. But, hopefully some will eventually and those that don't...I would just say...keep them in your prayers. I hope I don't come off as self righteous or critical of you. I feel and understand your sentiments exactly. |
You're absolutely not critical, and even if you were, be my guest. I try - being a teacher - to keep in mind that lifes of some people are not that good / have not always been that good, I know. The people I talk about are now Dutch citizens, have the right to vote, go on holiday to their own country (but they don't want to go back because Holland has more opportunities!). I just can't stand the way of thinking of some: can you do it for me? Get my drift (again)?
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03 Dec 2006 Sun 11:23 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting Capoeira: Ok Trudy...I totally agree with you. People at some point need to take responsibility for their own lives. But, having lived abroad, starting from scratch, I mean no family, friends, job, is really tough. I happen to have a tough stick to it personality, but not all others. Also, while I was just another illegal, I was a college educated "AMERICAN" illegal immigrant. So people were very happy and excited to see me applying for jobs in their establishment. I did not experience the prejudice and racism that other immigrants had to face. My American citizenship afforded me priviledges that others did not have. So, I am sure their hardship is double and their personal mountains to climb are even higher. So, I'm saying as an educator we motivate people and yes it's frustrating when we don't see them ever 'getting' it. But, hopefully some will eventually and those that don't...I would just say...keep them in your prayers. I hope I don't come off as self righteous or critical of you. I feel and understand your sentiments exactly. |
You're absolutely not critical, and even if you were, be my guest. I try - being a teacher - to keep in mind that lifes of some people are not that good / have not always been that good, I know. The people I talk about are now Dutch citizens, have the right to vote, go on holiday to their own country (but they don't want to go back because Holland has more opportunities!). I just can't stand the way of thinking of some: can you do it for me? Get my drift (again)? |
 this brings me back to ur post u did that time..about people's rights in host countries  
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04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:22 pm |
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I'm not sure if the original question has been answered correctly yet. I can honestly say that I don't know one Turk that has left Turkey because they hate it here (or love the country they are going to).
They go so they can make money, come back, and buy a flat. Additionally, they can avoid military service if they do this. If you go abroad to work, when you come back, you pay a large sum of money (I think between $5,000 and $10,000 USD). You still have to serve a short time in the military, maybe 3 months and then use the work experience you received abroad to get a better job here.
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05 Dec 2006 Tue 09:57 pm |
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thx keith 4 answering the question  ..
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10 May 2007 Thu 05:46 am |
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While I know that it's very hard to adjust to another country and culture and immigrants always miss the place where they were born, I think that it's quite awful of them to keep complaining and not appreciating the privileges, hospitality and opportunities they enjoy in the new country. I can't stand it when they even make hateful remarks or make it sound like they were forced to come here. Suddenly, the country they dreamt to leave became a paradise :-S! Men are much worse with this then women, partly (I think) because they form stronger tribal bonds, and partly because they aren't as emotionally mature.
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