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05 Jan 2007 Fri 07:04 am |
No need for shouting. (That's impolite.) Legally, child is any person under 18 (or 21 in some countries), but that's not the point. I have son of your age and I was of your age myself, so I know what "child" means, and that word absolutely doesn't mean underrating. But you see, my son had been watching wars and war consequences for seven years. I wish he never heard for the word "war" and I would like if all the children could be spared from it, including you. That's why I joined this topic, for I never discuss any politics; I do not think even I am mature enough for that. Discussions about wars and capital penalty are not kidding, they are very serious for one single misinterpretated word can add the fuel. Intelligence and knowledge are one thing; maturity and experience are quite different thing. And one of evidences of maturity is that you never ever use any word that would offend or hurt somebody. (When I say "you", I mean "any person".) Maybe somebody was offended when you asked "When will people stop saying MY country?" I am not offended because the country I was born in doesn't exist anymore. But some people are dying for their countries - or because of some other countries - at the moment. You can approve or disapprove, but in spite of your nice wishes about one world - I would like the same - it was not a mature gesture.
Anyway, this is not the topic. I would like to read comments about Iraq happenings here, not my own comments about maturity and immaturity. If you are relly sure you wish to discuss so horrible topics, then try to concentrate to Saddam's death and Iraq, though I still don't see why do you need so badly to spoil your young soul with that. Besides, this topic has certain gravity, so it definitly requires serious comments. If nothing else, then out of respect to all that killed people. And I wouldn't use any smilies here, from the very same reason.
D.
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 11:27 am |
i couldnt read what u all write and think about this subject but here is mine
saddam is created by usa and again killed...he left hundreds of murders behind him but now in iraq...there r hundred thousands of ppl murdered...nobody can judge the murderers..just wish them to be judged one day...
that must be the way of the world...
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 12:56 pm |
Quoting ramayan: i couldnt read what u all write and think about this subject but here is mine
saddam is created by usa and again killed...he left hundreds of murders behind him but now in iraq...there r hundred thousands of ppl murdered...nobody can judge the murderers..just wish them to be judged one day...
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Agree Rayaman - about the reading bit and the judging!! A monster has been created................ how will it ever be resolved? (no need to answer that - as far as I am concerned there is no answer!)
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 02:02 pm |
but its a good clue to show whats gonna happen to the ones like saddam,they ll be used and when they complete their mission they ll be executed..
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 02:06 pm |
Only if they are smart enough and can see this !
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 02:07 pm |
Quoting ramayan: but its a good clue to show whats gonna happen to the ones like saddam,they ll be used and when they complete their mission they ll be executed.. |
Of course Saddam was "created" and "used" by the US. However....dont regard this man as an innocent pawn. He was responsible for the death of thousands of Iraqis too - quite independently of any "mission".
Its sad and a complete mess and many are to blame, but don't regard him as a martyr :-S
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05 Jan 2007 Fri 09:16 pm |
Quoting duda: No need for shouting. (That's impolite.) Legally, child is any person under 18 (or 21 in some countries), but that's not the point. I have son of your age and I was of your age myself, so I know what "child" means, and that word absolutely doesn't mean underrating. But you see, my son had been watching wars and war consequences for seven years. I wish he never heard for the word "war" and I would like if all the children could be spared from it, including you. That's why I joined this topic, for I never discuss any politics; I do not think even I am mature enough for that. Discussions about wars and capital penalty are not kidding, they are very serious for one single misinterpretated word can add the fuel. Intelligence and knowledge are one thing; maturity and experience are quite different thing. And one of evidences of maturity is that you never ever use any word that would offend or hurt somebody. (When I say "you", I mean "any person".) Maybe somebody was offended when you asked "When will people stop saying MY country?" I am not offended because the country I was born in doesn't exist anymore. But some people are dying for their countries - or because of some other countries - at the moment. You can approve or disapprove, but in spite of your nice wishes about one world - I would like the same - it was not a mature gesture.
Anyway, this is not the topic. I would like to read comments about Iraq happenings here, not my own comments about maturity and immaturity. If you are relly sure you wish to discuss so horrible topics, then try to concentrate to Saddam's death and Iraq, though I still don't see why do you need so badly to spoil your young soul with that. Besides, this topic has certain gravity, so it definitly requires serious comments. If nothing else, then out of respect to all that killed people. And I wouldn't use any smilies here, from the very same reason.
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I wasn't shouting, I was making clear what i wrote, there is a difference
Also you say children shouldn't be invloved or a part of this war and terror but i think it'a a bit to late for that don't you think? I mean, I was effected by certain terrorist attacks and one particulat shooting and every one knows that those events wasnt exactly something to have a part over was it?
Also children now, are still in the middle of this war and terror. No matter how much we don't like it we shouldn't pretend that there are not children suffering because of it, because everyone knows that they are.
Also, when you say children shouldnt be a part of this etc...i wonder how often you watch the news or the read the news papers? because when i was at work, in all but one of our papers we sell, had the front cover about Saddam Husseins hanging, so it wasn't exactly hard to miss.
No i do not wish to be a part of it, but its such a big part of the world I dont have a choice, not many people do. Also not many youths are like myself. I've been through more than most people will ever go through in their entire life.
This however does not mean i am looking for sympathy but what i am trying to say is that, before you know the persons situation of life, i dont think you should judge them on their age.
Because what people go through makes who they are, how old they act, how responsible they act, and even there capacity of knowledge. Not a number, and not how many days they've been alive, thats just figures, not the effectiveness of life really is it?
Anyway, I have my opinions and everyone has a right to express them. No matter how old they are or what the circumstances are, because in many cases it's children that give such a strong opinion from a "young" age that it shocks the hell out of people, because they don't realise how bad it has effected them.
So please don't compare me with your son, though a lovely lad he may be, i am not him, i am me and there lies the big difference of peoples opinions.
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06 Jan 2007 Sat 06:09 pm |
Quoting ramayan: i couldnt read what u all write and think about this subject but here is mine
saddam is created by usa and again killed...he left hundreds of murders behind him but now in iraq...there r hundred thousands of ppl murdered...nobody can judge the murderers..just wish them to be judged one day...
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Just a fact for everyone who wants to continue to blame only the USA for Saddam's murdering spree. The first fact is yes they gave him funding later in his life but Saddam was born on April 28th, 1937 and he started killing when he was only a teenager, the United States did not get involved with Saddam until 1982. So lets not forget about the many years he did all of those things independently. He was a cold blooded killer very early on in his life. It is also know that as a child he was very excited by the torturing of animals, he carried an iron bar and would heat it to firing red stabbing passing animals splitting them in half. This man was not just some puppet or pawn in other peoples games. This man WAS the game and he loved every second of it. Please lets not act like he was innocent. He was "created" way before the USA even knew he was alive!
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06 Jan 2007 Sat 06:13 pm |
Quote: Also, when you say children shouldnt be a part of this etc...i wonder how often you watch the news or the read the news papers? because when i was at work, in all but one of our papers we sell, had the front cover about Saddam Husseins hanging, so it wasn't exactly hard to miss.
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That's exactly I was talking about. In many cases we cannot prevent young people and children being involved – unfortunately – but we must try to protect them. (When I say "we", I mean all of us who are able to – parents, teachers and all the other responsible people.) Of course it doesn't mean being silent about that, on the contrary. I was talking about my son from that very reason. During the war and in the midst of bombing (and in the dark, with no electricity, which is maybe even more terrifying for a child) I used to play games with him to distract his attention. We had no real need for newspapers and TV, everything was happening around us. We had a dictator too, so all the children and youths here have been talking about death penalties and killings. Nowadays, when my son is grown-up – you see, I say "grown-up", although he is formally still a child, for I do not judge on somebodys age – I try to "despoil" his thoughts, and it has been very long process. If I haven't been talking to him all the time, he would be full of hatred now. I try to make him dream about one world and one race too, like you are thinking, but how can I make him think so when he grow up in a terrible world? He will need time to forget it (if he ever does). And I try to teach him that he must give his contribution so that similar things never happen to anybody. I am never shocked by any strong opinion from young people at all, on the contrary. This post of yours was very mature and temperate, so it shows you can be mature when you really want it. Being a mother and speaking like a friend, I can't compare you not with my son, for you both had similar experiences and I wish from all my heart that you hadn't hard times. As I can see it, if you already had gone through all that hell, you have at least three choices: to hate – which is absolutely wrong; to dream about one world and one race – which is deeply human, but unobtainable giving the circumstances; and to stand up to facts, which I see as the only sollution at the moment. Saddam's death was the fact, and all that killed people were the fact. We will not help anybody neither by hatred, nor by peaceful dreams, but with our deeds. As any grown-up individual, I can contribute in several ways allowed by laws (voting, political engagement, personal propaganda etc.) Believe me, you will have your time to change this world (and may it be the better world than ours!). I am not saying you should watch through the pink-couloured eyeglasses. Being informed and not involved until the moment's ripe – that's the point for the young people. Myself, I didn't want to see and discuss the hanging; I've already seen too much hanged people. I was saying only that any act which provokes further agression is deeply wrong. I do not give a damn for any dictator, and I do not care if he is alive or not. But I do care for common people, especially for youth, and I still think this is too horrible a topic for young people. Dear Kai, think about life... not about death. For the life is what you are going to create.
D.
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06 Jan 2007 Sat 06:30 pm |
Excellent post duda
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06 Jan 2007 Sat 07:17 pm |
Quoting kai:
And finally 3rd thing - Will people stop saying MY country and MY people!!! Whether we like it or not, there is no such thing! Just because we are not a native of a certain country does not mean it's not part of us! Allahim! We are all part of one race the DAMN HUMAN RACE! and this is OUR world not this is MY country and that is THEIR country. All countries make up ONE world and that is the world we ALL damn live in!
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just because u yourself have no country, and have no national ID, and cant say who you are it doesnt mean that everyone should speak according to your receiption of the world.
it is one world of many nations.
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