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Please make me optimistic!
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12 May 2007 Sat 01:44 am |
Quoting karekin04:
They make it sound as if things were great and then all of the sudden the man decided he no longer wanted to be there. I feel that my relationship has problems but I am a realist, and do realize that there is no such thing as a "perfect relationship". I also realize that my relationship has qualities that make it strong, strong enough to tackle the problems and hope for the best. |
Im probaly 1 of these people that you are talking about, as I have had quite a lot of translation posts recently. I totally agree I also believe that there is no such thing as a perfect relationship ..however I had over 5 years with my husband and in like all marriages we had our problems not major but just usual stresses of day to day life work , finances etc.. Things were not always rosey but the majority of the time we were very happy and had a very normal loving relationship. To me his behaviour and attitude towards me changed very dramatically ..I f I dared to have an opinion of my own then there was trouble..I noticed a change in him after he had visited his family in turkey for the first time in 7 years when we came back to the Uk I felt he had lost all intrest in me as I had served my purpose..He had got the visa he had always wanted..Im not saying every Turkish bloke is the same..There are good and bad in every race and religion..I just wish all you women who are in relationships with Turkish men good luck, and to know how difficult it can be ..Only you can decide if he is Mr right
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12 May 2007 Sat 02:05 am |
Like everyone else has said: don't be pessimistic!
I think that relationships between a turk and a western foreigner have tough odds for cultural and possibly geographical reasons and I would never advice anyone to engage in this kind of relationship because it's really hard, but it's definitely possible.
I'd like to think that I'm a perfect example of a success story Well, we've been together for 3 years now, married since october 2005, and we have gone through some really tough times but our bond has proved to be unbreakable. Now ther may be some of you who think that we're too young to be sure it's going to last and yadda yadda but I swear we're going to prove you wrong. Despite our cultural differences we have the same outlook and dreams for life so I'd say that being so young has been a huge plus for us because we have helped form eachother into who we are today. Our problems regarding visa, place to stay, prejudices, distance (basically everything that society has thrown against us) have only made us closer and we couldn't care less what everyone else thinks about us. Monogamy (agh there's a certain word for something like this in turkish but I can't remember it) is extremely important for both of us and I think the problem for many relationships between turks and foreigners is that they have met under very "loose" circumstances, they sometimes don't have a sense of commitment and genuine trust or empathy so their foundation is not very solid. Of course, others are simply unlucky.
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12 May 2007 Sat 05:17 am |
when i started "reading/following" those sad stories i told my husband about it. He told me not to read as it may affect me, us. And he keeps wondering how the relationship went so far if they can't communicate with each other with all those translations going on. He just can't get it.
Its hard enough marrying somebody of different personality, culture, religion, beliefs then you add communication to that. Relationship is not an easy thing. No guarantees. Whether you marry a turkish guy or any other guy for that fact. Marriage is a two-way street.
Karen don't give up. Be cautious thats fine but don't give up. Their stories are not your story. Their life is not your life. We do whatever we can to make the relationship work and hope for the best. Hope and pray. hard.
Good luck.
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12 May 2007 Sat 08:58 pm |
I know there are a lot of stories about relationships with Turkish men falling apart...but you must be careful not to generalise.
Relationships can end whether you are English, American, Turkish, Greek, Russian...ANY nationality. People who have been together for 30 years or more can still come to the end.
It's not just about relationships with Turkish men. I think it's important that women do not compare their relationship to those they read about on message boards; whilst it can be a comfort it can also cast doubts which would not otherwise surface! Your relationship is personal to you.
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13 May 2007 Sun 12:09 am |
You all are very right, guess I was just getting a bit nervous after reading some of these stories :-S
Since me and my bf didn't meet under "loose circumstances" and took our relationship slow, and have been a couple for a few years I guess I really shouldn't compare it to others. After all he on his own restores my faith. I broke my ankle yesterday and the way he caters to me like a sick child warms my soul enough to know that he loves me as much as I love him. It would be nice to not have these odds against us but I suppose it builds a solid foundation.
Anyway, without going on and on, I'll just say thanks to you guys for the kind words. Mheart72, Elisa, Melatyagirl, Azade, and catwomen (hope I didn't forget someone). Happy mothers day!
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13 May 2007 Sun 12:36 am |
Karekin04, though my successstory hasnt passed a decade yet, I know what you are takling about. I came accross the same kind of stories on internet, and wondered if i was making a right decision to leave my own country at such a young age in which the chances for a good life were right in front of me.
I realized that the times I was upset about these stories, were the worst times in our relationship. Suddenly my faith was gone, on behalf of someone I dont know at all, whose relationship may have ended for much more different reasons than he/she told on internet. Kadir realized my weakness and it hurt him very much.
Now, I have been here for around 8 months, and the biggest problem in our relationship is me: being unexperienced about love, suddenly having to start a life in a country that is strange yet so known to me, in a life where i live with many uncertainties just for the day. My biggest support is Kadir, and I can tell with honesty: its a miracle he's still able to stand me
Also, the life I learnt here, is very different from in the stories. Being around Kadir a lot, I also have many male friends. I think I can say with honesty that none of them is capable of doing what the men did in the stories. They are more modern and good-mannered than many men i know in holland.
Maybe we have not passed a decade yet, but the first steps make the foundation to reach that decade and more, and İ think ours is a successtory. You must not forget that a relationship between two different cultures is always hard. I am not saying harder than any other relationship, but from different angles you live different problems. It does not depend on the culture where youre from if you can handle this: it depends on whether your strong enough.
I hope time will proove I am strong enough, because I can say Kadir definitely is.
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13 May 2007 Sun 12:48 am |
Quote: I hope time will proove I am strong enough, because I can say Kadir definitely is. |
Thanks for sharing deli_kizin! I have never been a person lacking in strength but this relationship has surely tested me. I too feel that way, surprised that he can put up with my worrying about us lasting all the time. Bless the men who have the strength to put up with us women huh
And good luck to you over there!
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13 May 2007 Sun 09:18 am |
I think all the success stories shared by women here only show how strong, mature and smart they are. It really, seriously makes me wonder where thoughts like "it's a miracle that he can put up with me", or "I hope I will be strong enough" are coming from? I think you girls need to look in the mirror and appreciate yourselves more. You are also "putting up" with your men from time to time, it's a two-way street! That's a normal thing in a relationship. No need to down-value yourself saying how much he's "putting up" with you.
And Deli_kizin questioning her strength... that just doesn't sound right (it's more like an oxymoron), I don't even know you very well and I can see that you are very brave and strong. It's ok to have moments of doubt... sometimes they give us the right signals and sometimes it's a reminder that we're human.. . And I hope you don't believe for a moment that men don't have them either (except that they are "not supposed" to show weakness).
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13 May 2007 Sun 09:27 am |
Quoting catwoman: It really, seriously makes me wonder where thoughts like "it's a miracle that he can put up with me", or "I hope I will be strong enough" are coming from? |
Maybe because 'guilt is a womens feeling'? (and also self-consciousness) like Marianne Faithfull's song said years ago. We should get rid of that feeling, that's for sure.
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13 May 2007 Sun 10:55 am |
Quoting catwoman: I think all the success stories shared by women here only show how strong, mature and smart they are. It really, seriously makes me wonder where thoughts like "it's a miracle that he can put up with me", or "I hope I will be strong enough" are coming from? I think you girls need to look in the mirror and appreciate yourselves more. You are also "putting up" with your men from time to time, it's a two-way street! That's a normal thing in a relationship. No need to down-value yourself saying how much he's "putting up" with you.
And Deli_kizin questioning her strength... that just doesn't sound right (it's more like an oxymoron), I don't even know you very well and I can see that you are very brave and strong. It's ok to have moments of doubt... sometimes they give us the right signals and sometimes it's a reminder that we're human.. . And I hope you don't believe for a moment that men don't have them either (except that they are "not supposed" to show weakness). |
Thank you Catwoman Well I wont put all my personal-life out here, but I can say Ive done and said some pretty horrible things to Kadir lately. The stress of the exam has weakened me in that period and I worked a lot on his nerves. As a result, it is now the other way around I have to admit: i weakened his nerves too so he can take less than he used to do and sometimes he gets angry too fast It is hard to try to seperate ways a bit if you know you will share your dinner every night, but we are trying.
And sometimes Kadir really surprises me: he is like the most male man I know, even among all his turkish friends, and still he cares enough to bring me strawberry soap from the supermarket, and he is not afraid to cry, though that happens just once in a blue moon.
But thanks again for your nice message. Sometimes its enough to know that others think about us too.
By the way, what is oxymoron I know the word oxy, but moron only makes me think of .. well.. you moron!
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13 May 2007 Sun 11:11 am |
Quoting Deli_kizin:
By the way, what is oxymoron |
"a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements"
(took that from Merriam Webster's Dictionary
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