What a suprize you say I don't know enough.

Have you ever stopped to think how that comes across.

Is someone’s opinion only relevant if they have some sort of certification.

I could say the same to you.

We can all play that game but it isn't very constructive.

I never said I was scared...

quote.. It scares me...
a scary precedence..

There is a difference, you know.

As for the war in Iraq… I could accuse you of selectivity.

You do seem to be more concerned with the “so-called” threat of the “Islamists” than global imperialism. Bush and Blair have been conducting a war of terror and are still continuing yet you dismiss this as “another one of those lame reasons…”

“for supporting the AKP”…you said

Did you not read where I said “Wait before you condemn me as some defender of the AKP”

I have clear views.

I’m against war and imperialism, exploitation and oppression.

I just see the threat of alliances with Fascists as very dangerous.

CHP alongside the Işci Partisi
Işci Partisi wıth the Atatürk DüşÃ¼ncü Derneği
Atatürk DüşÃ¼ncü Derneği with Kerincsiz
Etc….all the way to the MHP.

Perhaps we could focus on the real issues as I said previously instead of getting sidetracked down a dangerous alley.

catwoman I have had respect for you but when it comes to this issue you're jumping peoples throats and I see no reason for that. This discussion is very flammable.

I have nothing against rallies in general, in fact I think it's the populations right to rebel if their government goes too far, but in this case it hasn't. Perhaps you'd like to know that personally I'm not for, neither against AKP. I'm well aware that people accused of being islamist and against democracy, like Gül is indeed religious but that's his personal belief and there's absolutely nothing that indicates he wants Turkey to head in the direction of extreme countries like Iran. This government has done so much when it comes to building bridges towards the EU - how can people suddenly think the opposite? There's no real threat on democracy, other than the army, in Turkey right now. If AKP party was to overthrow democracy I'd be first in line to protest, but that's simply not the case. If people are generally unhappy with the government, then so be it, elections are coming up in a short time; so elect a different party.

You mention people's right to rebel in democracy, which you're of course right about, but when you're talking about elements of democracy that apply specifically to Turkey, it makes no sense because you (generally speaking, not you specifically) can't just hide behind the word "DEMOCRACY!" when it's convenient. It's not possible to compromise it. There's various versions of democracy - like representative, direct and whatever they're called, but there was never such thing as turkish democracy. Army intervention is never democratic. I highly doubt that it's in the general population's interest because what follows it is insecurity, unstability and a very unclear picture of the future. Surely it's better to get rid of the government in a democratic way and indeed AKP will step down when another party is elected.

This is a golden chance for Turkey to show that it's a mature, democratic country, and I hope for the sake of the future that the army will not intervene. In a short time Turkey will probably have a different government and inşallah things will be back to normal in our wonderful, secular country

Here are some pictures from İzmir rally.
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/modules/gallery/070512izmirmiting/

some groups trying to show as if a danger about secularism in Turkey and that make political tension higher,and i beleieve that theresn't any danger or threat about secualrism,and pity this groups calling emself with to be democratical,but seems they don't know real meaning og democracy,how come a democrat can blame other one about their beliefs or life style???a bit more tolerance and a bit more respect thats all what we need..

Lct you are against of everything ı guess. You dont want to learn Turkish grammer, but you do want to speak Turkish. You are not Turk but you do know better than us, what we like, what we are. Congratulations first! Second, since when loving your country, loving your flag, loving your nation and nation's best man "Atatürk" become shame? Me and the other Turks who attend those meetings are not ashamed any of these. Better get used to it.

Panta rei actually he/she did. But not in this topic. Stick around the site, you will find out