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AMERICAN NATIVES
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25 May 2007 Fri 07:57 pm |
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I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand.
He said they were Turks.
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25 May 2007 Fri 08:46 pm |
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Quoting SunFlowerSeed:
I saw that nobody has said anything on my question.
Why we are trying to call Native Americans as Turks ?
Why we are not trying to call Turks as Native Americans ?
Who are Turks ? |
I think that question is easily answered. If the native americans came for asia (and are turks), then this term only applies to the peoples who came, not the ones who stayed. Africans that are in Africa, are only African, not African American for example.
Why some turks want a connection to native americans? only those that want this can answer that.
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25 May 2007 Fri 08:47 pm |
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Quoting alameda: I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand.
He said they were Turks. |
Waow! He should be a genius and have a professor degree on Turkish language then. or was just joking ! 
Because I even cannot get the meaning of sentences or text, except some words of course, from Orkhun Scripts on Gokturk Runes. PS: Here "even" means as a native Turkey Turk not as a genius or a professor.
But I wonder, can you remember the name of the tribe ?
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Quote: If the native americans came for asia (and are turks), then this term only applies to the peoples who came, not the ones who stayed. |
So if they moved to that continent and there already were some other tribes on that continent, who are the natives ?
After comers ? or Already settleds ?
Well, I know those words are wrong but I want to keep them.
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25 May 2007 Fri 08:50 pm |
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Quoting alameda: I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand.
He said they were Turks. |
This is nonsense. They were speaking the "sioux language", which is the area of america where i lived and where the Sioux Tribes are still today. I would be shocked if there was even one word in the two languages that are similar or the same.
I believe your friend told you this, but he was kidding you.
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25 May 2007 Fri 09:03 pm |
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I'm not a big fan of genetics. However, it is a hard science. Genitic studies have solid proof about human migration, which dates Amerindian crossing from Bering strait more than ten thousand years ago. Any mordern nation or ethnic group were not formed back then. So it is very unrealistic to call Amerindians as Turks.
One thing we are sure is that genetically, Turks, indoearopeans and Amerindians are closest. However, genetic relation only shows common ancestry, not ethnic affiliation. Moreover, mordern human are so mixed, it is rare to find any group with single genetic marker. one can't base his judgment on this genetic relation, in that case, Qazaq Turks should be considered as Mongols, and also polenisians who share predominant common genetic marker of C, which was originated in the south india, and spreaded through sea route.
However ethnic group (such as Turk) were formed in the known history by a group of people who have similar culture, and most importantly similar language to a mordern group. It's out of question modern Turk people are the people who speak a common Turkic language. Amerindian language is not Turkic language, even not an Altaic language.
Once upon a time, there was a group of people in central Asia, during the course of the history, a branch moved to the new continent became known as Amerindians (now), later another branch moved to the west, became known as indoeuropeans (now), and another branch stayed there and became known as Turks now. that's all.
My two cents.
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25 May 2007 Fri 09:32 pm |
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Yes, Mr Keithl,
you are right, we say same thing.
We too are not going to argue with you what a “real American†is or who is “pure Americanâ€.
They are from England, Spain, İtaly, Portugal, Cuba, India, Latin America, Africa, Asia, all over the world.
All they are American citizens.
But all the USA citizens have the same rules and rights as the rest of the people in the USA.
As you know, â€All humans are related, only difference is the time scaleâ€.
There is only one ethnical group in this planet, it is humanity.
Nations, branches and clans are the families of the humanity.
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25 May 2007 Fri 09:47 pm |
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and Monday is your National Day.We congratulate your Memorial day...
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| 27. |
25 May 2007 Fri 09:57 pm |
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Selam KeithL, SFS and all we are talking about history approximately 10000 years ago, you cant even know which tribe or you cant know which language they were speaking, we are talking about crumbs of similarities between them and the ancient cultures of Central Asia but as i mentioned in my other comment we cannot say surely that they are Turkic people. Today people also dont know the history of 2000 years ago. For example Christians are also debating that if Jesus was married or where was Jesus’s tomb or even if Jesus lived or not etc…
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26 May 2007 Sat 12:08 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting alameda: I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand.
He said they were Turks. |
This is nonsense. They were speaking the "sioux language", which is the area of america where i lived and where the Sioux Tribes are still today. I would be shocked if there was even one word in the two languages that are similar or the same.
I believe your friend told you this, but he was kidding you. |
My friend speaks a variety of Turkic languages. As with English, there are many dialects. For instance, it would be pretty hard for an American from the Deep South to understand someone from England speaking Cockney English. Perhaps it is the same in this instance?
As for Native Americans being Turkish...of course they are not. I think the actual question is are they Turkic? Then any migration would have been around 10,000 years ago. In that period there have been other developlents in "Turkicness", but a root to the Turkic peoples could well exist.
FWIW, there have been other finds that point to Semetic peoples having migrated to the Americas. A stone was found about 30 to 40 years in the Eastern US. It was called the Metcalf Stone (not sure of the spelling) On the stone were inscrived ancient Sumerian text describing a people who and when they arrived at the place and were so many men and women and some other informations about them.
We have been merging for millenia....and will continue to do so for as long as we last. Osmosis is hard to prevent.
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26 May 2007 Sat 12:30 am |
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Leonard Cohen - Dance Me To The End Of Love Lyrics
Dance me to your beauty with a burning violin
Dance me through the panic 'til I'm gathered safely in
Lift me like an olive branch and be my homeward dove
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the end of love
Oh let me see your beauty when the witnesses are gone
Let me feel you moving like they do in Babylon
Show me slowly what I only know the limits of
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the wedding now, dance me on and on
Dance me very tenderly and dance me very long
We're both of us beneath our love, we're both of us above
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the children who are asking to be born
Dance me through the curtains that our kisses have outworn
Raise a tent of shelter now, though every thread is torn
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to your beauty with a burning violin
Dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in
Touch me with your naked hand or touch me with your glove
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the end of love
Dance me to the end of love
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26 May 2007 Sat 01:47 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Leonard Cohen - Dance Me To The End Of Love Lyrics
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