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26 May 2007 Sat 01:47 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Leonard Cohen - Dance Me To The End Of Love Lyrics
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26 May 2007 Sat 09:03 am |
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It may not be my business but;
The word Turkish is used in the meaning of Turkic in all posts where the real meaning points to the People of Turkey.
Other peoples from different Turkic countries may get it as we are trying to separate them from their Turkic roots.
Quote: FWIW, there have been other finds that point to Semetic peoples having migrated to the Americas. A stone was found about 30 to 40 years in the Eastern US. It was called the Metcalf Stone (not sure of the spelling) On the stone were inscrived ancient Sumerian text describing a people who and when they arrived at the place and were so many men and women and some other informations about them. |
Hmm, Metcalf.
A small Quote.
Quote: Prof. Gordon believed the Metcalf Stone, discovered in 1966 in Georgia (he was sent a cast of the stone in 1968 by the late Dr. Joseph B. Mahan, of ISAC), was inscribed with characters representing a hitherto unknown point between the development of syllabic Linear A and our acrophonic alphabet. As this is an example of an otherwise unattested singularity, there appears to be no associated archaeological remains to support an Old World presence in pre-Columbian Georgia, it may be merely that the marks of the “inscription†fortuitously resemble a hypothetical Old World script. Nothing further may be advanced at this time.
As with the Metcalf Stone, there appears to be no associated archaeological remains to support an Old World presence in pre-Columbian times in the New World. Some supporters of the antiquity of the inscriptions ignore the lack of corroborating evidence and often feel persecuted when their claims are ignored by mainstream science. |
As Genetics science says, we all came from Africa. Some say the human had evolved from chimpanzees, some say God had created human separately from other animals. In my opinion this is not an important point, but there was an evolution which still continues. We cannot say what will happen after 10000 years. I don't want to discuss about that but wanted to show that evolution, separation and merging are in charge as it had been for all ages.
Ok, starting from Africa, excluding what was there before Africa, humanbeing had scattered into tribes and moved to the other parts of the world. As we are following the roots of American Natives thus Turks(in the above hypothesis), I want to point out the similarities between Sumerian Language(Mesopotamia) and Turkish as well as there are similarities between Hittites(Anatolia) and European languages. And we also know that number figures that we use in Europe are derived from India. We call them Arabic Numbers, but Arabs use different figures than our 'modern' numbers. They are not derived from Chinese characters, although we used many Chinese origin inventions. Well, this is getting long. Here, my point is people had been MOVING while carrying their culture, religion etc with them. There were touches between cultures, thus exchange of things, religions, languages etc.
What was the religion in Europe before Christ, was Shamanism or Paganism, practically same thing. There were shamans guiding people through their religions. What is a Druid if it is not a shaman ? There were hundreds of gods in Ancient Roman, Greek, Druid, Northern Europe, Egypt etc religions. But Sun, Sky or Weather, Moon, Stars, Earth, Water (and their symbols) were the primary ones as they were in Turks, American Natives or other cultures.
Armegon mentioned a religious ceremony, travel to god or something similar. At those travels shaman was using some drugs to be able to talk to the god, it is similar the ones in other religions, not only Turks or American Natives. Greeks were traveling to Hades, and other religions were traveling to their gods, in Islam Mohamed had a travel to God, Moses and Jesus traveled to or talked with God, still in Christianity Fathers are the link between God and human beings, they can talk with God.(Correct me if I am wrong here, and I don't want to start a discussion about religions, in the way of which one is right or which one is wrong.) My point is traveling to or talking with god is an important point in all religions, therefore it may not be a good basis to base a study.
In the light of above explanations(IMHO), If I follow the hypothesis, I may say that we(Turks) started at Africa -> Mesopotamia -> Asia -> America.
But, what I believe is there is not enough proof to prove that American Natives are Turks. There are so many similarities around the world preventing us to find SAMENESS between both cultures.
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26 May 2007 Sat 03:05 pm |
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Quoting slavica: Quoting panta rei: Leonard Cohen - Dance Me To The End Of Love Lyrics
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Awww! That's very kind of you Slavica! Seeing this picture one can't help modiyfing the lyrics to "Dance me forever!" 
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26 May 2007 Sat 06:57 pm |
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will you dance with me
it was good movie (dance with wolwes)
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27 May 2007 Sun 01:13 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting slavica: Quoting panta rei: Leonard Cohen - Dance Me To The End Of Love Lyrics
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Awww! That's very kind of you Slavica! Seeing this picture one can't help modiyfing the lyrics to 'Dance me forever!' |
My pleasure, panta rei 
I just couldn't resist my favourite song ever...
I hope American natives will forgive us this small digression 
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27 May 2007 Sun 02:02 am |
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Yes, Thank you so much Slavica,
Yes, Yılgün’s American Natives, will forgive us for this small digression.
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27 May 2007 Sun 02:18 am |
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Yes, of course, Slavica Abla.
American Natives are nice people.
They will forgive us for this digression.
Panta rei says “ Awww! That's very kind of you Slavica! Seeing this picture one can't help modiyfing the lyrics to "Dance me forever!"
Who will dance with me?
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27 May 2007 Sun 02:23 am |
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yilgun- I am not sure of what you mean below, and in fact I don't care at this time of the night, but I beg you, walk away! 
Quoting yilgun-7:
Who will dance with me?
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27 May 2007 Sun 02:40 am |
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Quoting panta rei: yilgun- I am not sure of what you mean below, and in fact I don't care at this time of the night, but I beg you, walk away!
Quoting yilgun-7:
Who will dance with me?
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Hey Panta, mind your own business, I was just going to invite him to dance with me!
Be a gentleman and make sure you look after Slavica Hanım 
Yilgun, may I have this dance? 
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27 May 2007 Sun 02:59 am |
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Thank you so much Elisa...
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29 May 2007 Tue 10:24 am |
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i didn't read all posts here, but i found this on a my space turkish group i am part of:
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=35666329&groupID=100008417&adTopicID=8&Mytoken=4701CED8-0B9E-43D2-9161C86EEF8F9EE047365689
"In Turkish we spell it 'Meluncan', pronounced as 'Melun-john', it means "cursed/damned soul". I know a bit about them, not too much though. The Melungeon are actually a mixture of Turkish, Portugese, English, Morrocans, East Indians, Arabs, Native American and a few other grouips which I forgot. But the main people in this mixture are Turkish, Native American, Arab and Portugese. They came over as slaves by the English, I used to know the king's or captain's name which I forgot too. After a while they weren't needed anymore, I don't know why but I'll guess it's because they were spared while the Africans took their place, for a much longer and tougher era of slavery. After this these people stayed mainly along the Appalachian Mts. and mixed with eachother. They've always been outcasts from the White or European society so they kind of formed their own culture. A lot of this culture, which you can see in the music and food, is mostly influenced by Turks and Native Americas (who also still held on to their ancient proto-Turk culture and included it into the Melungeon culture). There's a theory that Abraham Lincoln and Elvis Presley were Melungeon too. A lot of Melungeon still live in their own communities, usually isolated from American society, in the mountains. As far as I know those Melungeon don't approve of marrying non-Melungeons. I've heard that Turkey and some schools in states that have a Melungeon population offer student exchange programs for Melungeon students and Turkish students. If you drive into a certain town, I forgot the name of it but you'll see it in the link I provide here, you'll see a Turkish flag on the town's welcoming sign calling it a sister city of Turkey, and the same in Turkey, I think they even named a bridge, a street or a park after this city too. Well here's a good link and a couple links for some books you can check out. I know Amazon.com has many books on Melungeons, they're becoming more known and becoming a popular topic for researchers and writers lately."
http://www.melungeons.com/articles/legacy2cities.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570720630/ref=pe_606_2499380_pe_ar_A2FCB41IFJHMZWd11570720630/104-7716341-9196750?n=283155
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865545162/sr=8-1/qid=1150764520/ref=sr_1_1/104-7716341-9196750?%5Fencoding=UTF8
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