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How to say kaçıncı in English
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 10:17 am |
Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı?
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 10:41 am |
not sure. the dictionary gives translation as (year) grade or grade level of school ...?
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 12:04 pm |
Quoting si++: Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı? |
It means "which", when the answer would be an ordinal number (first, second, third..)
I've seen the expression "how manieth", but it's not proper English I think.
Example:
Kaçıncı sınıftasın?
Beşinci sınıftayım
Which class are you in?
I'm in the fifth class.
In your example it is rather difficult to literally translate what you mean in Turkish.
I'd stick to "which president of Turkey / Turkish president was Süleyman Demirel."
or maybe "How many presidents of Turkey were there before Süleyman Demirel".
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 12:51 pm |
Quoting si++: Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı? |
I think in this case we should avoid word to word translation..however, we can use:
1. what's Süleyman Demirel's rank amoung the Turkish presidents.
or
2. what's Süleyman Demirel's chronogical order amoung the Turkish presidents.
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 01:10 pm |
Yes, I have always thought this same question. There is no direct way to say this in english. Rather strange.
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 01:32 pm |
i dont think there is an exact 'word' but one might say:
'standing term or standing position maybe ?
He stood (his term) as the 15th President.
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09 Jun 2007 Sat 01:34 pm |
kaçıncı=(in a series) After how many
kaçıncı defa after how many times
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 08:25 am |
I saw some discussions about this one. Some say "how manyth" is OK in English but not everybody does use it.
Just google "how manyth".
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 12:09 pm |
Quoting si++: I saw some discussions about this one. Some say "how manyth" is OK in English but not everybody does use it. |
Yes, there are quite some! And "how manyth" sounds much better to me than the alternatives some people come up with..
I checked a couple of dictionaries and it's not in there though.
Maybe an English native speaker could enlighten us?
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 01:46 pm |
Well I'm a native English speaker and I have never in my life heard anyone say 'how manyth'!!! The only google references I can see are people asking if this word exists.
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 01:59 pm |
Quoting lady in red: Well I'm a native English speaker and I have never in my life heard anyone say 'how manyth'!!! The only google references I can see are people asking if this word exists. |
Yes...Lady in red, although I am not a native English speaker but I am English teacher and never heared that (how manyth) used for indicating rank, position, order ...etc. Maybe Shakespear did that centuries ago
The Turkish sentence is clearly reffering to the position or order of that president among a serial of presidents in Turkey. So I wonder why some friends worried about my translation???
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 02:08 pm |
Quoting Serdar07: The Turkish sentence is clearly reffering to the position or order of that president among a serial of presidents in Turkey. So I wonder why some friends worried about my translation??? |
I'm sure no one is worrying about your translation here , but just wondering why there is no specific, direct way to express it like there is in Turkish (and other languages as well)
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 04:45 pm |
Quoting Serdar07: Quoting lady in red: Well I'm a native English speaker and I have never in my life heard anyone say 'how manyth'!!! The only google references I can see are people asking if this word exists. |
Yes...Lady in red, although I am not a native English speaker but I am English teacher and never heared that (how manyth) used for indicating rank, position, order ...etc. Maybe Shakespear did that centuries ago
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Forsooth sire!! Methinks thou mayest be correct!!
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 09:06 pm |
Quoting Elisa: (and other languages as well) |
You should know though (Im sure you do ), that our language does have it Dutch has a word for it too and it is used commonly, at least in the Netherlands 'Hoeveelste'.
Maçta kaçıncı oldun?
Hoeveelste ben je geworden in de wedstrijd?
(How manyth did you become in the match, 1st 2nd etc)
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 09:34 pm |
Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa: (and other languages as well) |
You should know though (Im sure you do ), that our language does have it Dutch has a word for it too and it is used commonly, at least in the Netherlands 'Hoeveelste'. |
You misquoted me though, kızım
I said
'...like there is in Turkish (and other languages as well)', implying Dutch (amongst others) and thinking of 'hoeveelste'
Quoting Deli_kizin: (How manyth did you become in the match, 1st 2nd etc) |
This will get you into trouble with the native English people here
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 09:55 pm |
Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa: (and other languages as well) |
You should know though (Im sure you do ), that our language does have it Dutch has a word for it too and it is used commonly, at least in the Netherlands 'Hoeveelste'.
Maçta kaçıncı oldun?
Hoeveelste ben je geworden in de wedstrijd?
(How manyth did you become in the match, 1st 2nd etc) |
But in English we would just say 'Where did you come in the match, 1st, 2nd or 3rd etc.' or 'Where did you come in the exam?' Answer to this being: 'I was 5th/6th ( or whatever)'
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 09:58 pm |
Quoting lady in red:
But in English we would just say 'Where did you come in the match, 1st, 2nd or 3rd etc.' or 'Where did you come in the exam?' Answer to this being: 'I was 5th/6th ( or whatever)' |
how would you put the initial sentence of this thread in English btw?
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10 Jun 2007 Sun 11:50 pm |
Quoting Elisa: Quoting lady in red:
But in English we would just say 'Where did you come in the match, 1st, 2nd or 3rd etc.' or 'Where did you come in the exam?' Answer to this being: 'I was 5th/6th ( or whatever)' |
how would you put the initial sentence of this thread in English btw? |
As everyone has said, it really isn't possible to translat eht sentence word for word - I think your 'Which President of Turkey was Süleyman Demirel?' is probably the closest we can get, with 'He was the 5th (or whichever) president' being the answer.
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11 Jun 2007 Mon 01:53 pm |
Quoting Elisa: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa: (and other languages as well) |
You should know though (Im sure you do ), that our language does have it Dutch has a word for it too and it is used commonly, at least in the Netherlands 'Hoeveelste'. |
You misquoted me though, kızım
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Well I didnt misquote I quoted exactly what I meant But upon second reading I got your meaning wrong
İşte öyle
Şimdi de Türk bir kıza birinci Hollandaca ders vereceğim
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12 Jun 2007 Tue 02:37 am |
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15 Jun 2007 Fri 11:26 am |
Quoting lady in red: Quoting Serdar07: Quoting lady in red: Well I'm a native English speaker and I have never in my life heard anyone say 'how manyth'!!! The only google references I can see are people asking if this word exists. |
Yes...Lady in red, although I am not a native English speaker but I am English teacher and never heared that (how manyth) used for indicating rank, position, order ...etc. Maybe Shakespear did that centuries ago
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Forsooth sire!! Methinks thou mayest be correct!!
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Zat-ı âlîniz muhterem Şekspir ile kaç yıldır şerefyâb olmaktadır?   
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24 Jun 2007 Sun 07:16 pm |
how manyth is not a phrase that would be used. but i don't think there's a single word that could be used in that context. to use rank would imply that one president was more important than another.
you'd have to ask in what order he was as a president.
i.e. was he the 5th or 6th president?
or how many presidents were there before him?
if that helps any
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11 May 2010 Tue 01:41 pm |
I came across a way to say this:
Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı?
What number president of Turkey was Süleyman Demirel?
Does this sound OK to native English speakers?
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11 May 2010 Tue 03:19 pm |
What about asking like this:
In the chronologic order what number was Süleyman Demirel as the president of Turkey?
btw I agree with many of comments, english linguists should consider adding "how manyth" to the language since this question form exists in nearly all of the languages but not in english.
Edited (5/11/2010) by toggle
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11 May 2010 Tue 04:16 pm |
I came across a way to say this:
Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı?
What number president of Turkey was Süleyman Demirel?
Does this sound OK to native English speakers?
Sorry, no. It smells like translation, as do most of all of the other suggestions.
The problem is not in how to translate it. It is the fact that, in England at least, we do not have the concept of numbering our monarchs or prime ministers. So, for example, at the moment you don´t hear BBC news saying anything like "Gordon Brown was the 75 th prime minister of Britain" or "David Cameron is carrying on talks with Nick Clegg in an attempt to become the 76th prime minister"
For the same reason, although the suggestion "in chronological order, which number ...." makes linguistic sense in English, it doesn´t mak much common sense.
I think we are trying to solve an impossible problem, like how do you make water run uphill?
We just don´t have the concept in England.
Now, I know the Americans number their presidential administrations. Can an American help us with how you would ask the question in a constitutional history exam???
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11 May 2010 Tue 04:28 pm |
Sorry, no. It smells like translation, as do most of all of the other suggestions.
The problem is not in how to translate it. It is the fact that, in England at least, we do not have the concept of numbering our monarchs or prime ministers. So, for example, at the moment you don´t hear BBC news saying anything like "Gordon Brown was the 75 th prime minister of Britain" or "David Cameron is carrying on talks with Nick Clegg in an attempt to become the 76th prime minister"
For the same reason, although the suggestion "in chronological order, which number ...." makes linguistic sense in English, it doesn´t mak much common sense.
I think we are trying to solve an impossible problem, like how do you make water run uphill?
We just don´t have the concept in England.
Now, I know the Americans number their presidential administrations. Can an American help us with how you would ask the question in a constitutional history exam???
Marion,
Actually I came across this usage in the following question? Does it sound OK to you in the following case?
A group of friends are standing in a circle, playing a game. They proceed around the circle, chanting a rhyme and pointing at the next person (clockwise) on each word. When the rhyme finishes whoever is being pointed at leaves the circle. They then start again, pointing where they left off, and the game continues until only one person is left. He/She is declared the winner.
For example, suppose there are six friends (numbered 1 to 6) standing around the circle and the rhyme is "Eenee, Meenee, Mainee, Mo!". They begin with player number 1. The first person to leave the circle is number 4, followed by 2 then 1, 3 and 6. Number 5 is left (draw it out to see it first hand).
Using this pattern, what number player, beginning with player 1, is the last person standing in a game played with 100,000 players?
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13 May 2010 Thu 11:40 am |
Using this pattern, what number player, beginning with player 1, is the last person standing in a game played with 100,000 players?
Yes, it makes sense. You have used seven words in English (not just the one in Turkish) "what number player beginning with player 1" to explain the concept. This is what I meant, you have to explain it "round the houses" rather than just one word, because their isn´t the one word concept in English.
A real stickler for English grammar might point out that as they are different numbers, that can be individually identified, it should be "which" not "what"
which number player, beginning with player 1
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16 May 2010 Sun 10:44 am |
Yes, it makes sense. You have used seven words in English (not just the one in Turkish) "what number player beginning with player 1" to explain the concept. This is what I meant, you have to explain it "round the houses" rather than just one word, because their isn´t the one word concept in English.
A real stickler for English grammar might point out that as they are different numbers, that can be individually identified, it should be "which" not "what"
which number player, beginning with player 1
OK but where is just one in Turkish? Seven words in English can be translated as follows
Which number player, beginning with player 1 = 1´den başlayarak kaçıncı oyuncu
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16 Jul 2010 Fri 05:56 pm |
I came across a way to say this:
Süleyman Demirel Türkiyenin kaçıncı cumhurbaşkanıydı?
What number president of Turkey was Süleyman Demirel?
Does this sound OK to native English speakers?
that sounds fine to me. People will understand what you mean. It only sounds a little awkward because "of Turkey" is in the middle. I would just say "What number president was Süleyman Demirel"
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17 Jul 2010 Sat 08:31 am |
that sounds fine to me. People will understand what you mean. It only sounds a little awkward because "of Turkey" is in the middle. I would just say "What number president was Süleyman Demirel"
OK. I included Turkey because I was trying to translate it word by word.
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