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02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:08 pm |
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Quoting gnark: one more question
when you are 25 for example, knowing that when you were 14, you knew the Koran by heart, are you still considered as a "hafiz", is it easy to stay it, does it require regular work ? |
Yes, it does. The law of entropy.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 12:28 am |
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Quoting gnark: one more question
when you are 25 for example, knowing that when you were 14, you knew the Koran by heart, are you still considered as a "hafiz", is it easy to stay it, does it require regular work ? |
The hafiz people I talked to, say that it's hard to keep what they memorised, rather then the memorising itself. They usually read and recite the Quran, so that they don't forget. I mean, every muslim reads the Quran, but I guess they read it more often so that they don't forget. Also, they can read faster since they already know by heart. Regarding your question, if you once memorise the quran and become a hafiz, and then you forget it after a decade, you are not considered to be a hafiz any more, since you don't know it by heart any more...
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 03:25 am |
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Are there many people who memorize Kur'an in Türkiye ?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 04:50 pm |
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Every muslim memorize at least several short chapters to pray.
But most of Hafızs memorize all chapters of Kuran-ı Kerim at some schools who give education about İslam.
Every year here 5000 Hafızs educated.
Some Hafızs memorize all chapters of Kuran-ı Kerim at home.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 06:11 pm |
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I think it is a heavy job to do this, compliments for those who can. But.... I do not understand a thing. Why? Why do people do that? I was raised not exactly with the Bible but at school I had to read it, but I really can't find any reason to know it by heart. You can read your Holy book, take your prayers from it, but memorise?
Is there a member here who can?
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 06:54 pm |
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Unlike the Holy Bible, there is only one version of the Qur'an. The Holy Bible has many different versions. Among these versions, there are some differences as well as some contradictions. Even the Bible that Catholics read, has seven more books, than the Bible that Protestants read. Since there is not one true and original Bible, it may not make sense for a Christian to memorise it. But we muslims have a Quran which is original and same everywhere. Also, the way we approach the Quran is a little bit different than the way the Christians approach the Bible. We believe that the Quran is a divine revelation. And memorising this book is an excellence. The prophet Muhammed said: "The best amongst you is the one who learns the Qur'an and teaches it".
At the end, the Quran is miraculous that it can be memorised easily. If you ask a hafiz to memorise something which has a volume of same magnitude as the Quran, he or she may not memorise it. It is not the intelligence of hafizs, but the miraculousness of the Quran that helps.
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03 Aug 2007 Fri 07:00 pm |
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Quoting Hicran: Since there is not one true and original Bible, |
Oooh .. Hicran ... be careful in the language you use that it is not construed as breaking the forum rules and insulting other people's religions.
Many people have learned parts of the Bible, not the whole. You are right that Islam views memorization as piety. The Bible contains verses about the importance of committing it to memory e.g. the Psalms "I have hidden your word within my heart that I might not sin against you."
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04 Aug 2007 Sat 02:28 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: the Psalms "I have hidden your word within my heart that I might not sin against you."
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...thinking... such words are very nice and warm, and embrace me these days. Alex's screams spring to my mind now - "No. No! NO! Stop it! Stop it, please! I beg you! This is sin! This is sin! This is sin! It's a sin, it's a sin, it's a sin!"
What a nice and warm word - "I have hidden your word within my heart that I might not sin against you."! I can read this again and again and again till morning, till I forget I am sinful and fall asleep...
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04 Aug 2007 Sat 04:01 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Are there many people who memorize Kur'an in Türkiye ? |
Not any more than those who memorize the bible in the Bible Belt States in the US. I don't know how people get the idea that memorization of the Quran in Turkey is a big issue of importance that needs to be resolved. It is very strange.
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04 Aug 2007 Sat 06:55 am |
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I totally agree that this discussion has exceeded a friend's innocent couriosty regarding the meaning of a word or how and why some moslems memorize their holy book.
I know by experience that discussions on relative merits of different religions is not possible in groups like this where half the paricipants can not talk the languages and the other half is totally ignorant of the religions themselves.
I would request all to refrain from this subject and keep the religion, which by nature is a very private thing, out of this group.
There are many other dedicated groups where you can try yourself on this subject, if you wish to do so.
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04 Aug 2007 Sat 11:58 am |
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I half agree with you Alpha, but at least this discussion has remained just that, not a few weeks ago, all hell would have been let loose, with hurtful and spiteful remarks being tossed around. I think this discussion is respectful and people are asking questions because they are interested. I am happy to read such a thread, so long a people who answer the questions do not become too pious. But like all good discussions, they reach their conclusion.
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