hello everybody !!

i have a question about the word "hafiz"
it means "who know the Koran by heart"
my question may seem stupid but i don't have the same culture so .... and i don't want any doubt
when you say "hafiz" it means knowing the Koran REALLY by heart or just what differents parts can deal with ??

thanks for your answers
and if you have things to add about this word, "hafiz", explain me !

Hıfz is Arabic orginal word.
it means keeping /memorizing etc
Hafız means someone who keeps or memorized.
We use it for people who memorized all verses of Kuran-ı Kerim.

you mean, all the book ?

yes, miraculous isn t it?

Hi

Often a word comes into Turkish from Arabic.

The word for memory is hafıza, and it is related to this word hafız. So you can see a hafız is someone who committed the whole Koran to memory.

thanks for all your answers !!
don't worry i only met kind turkish people

a last question, is there a lot of people able to learn it by heart? in addition, it must require a lot of time..
and is it something that diseappear nowadays, or not at all ?

ok
so it's not sooo exceptionnal
but usually do you know how long it takes to memorize it.. ?
3 or 4 years as you said ?

Sorry to the moderator I made a mistake here but dont know how to delete this thing!

These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.

Just thought some people might find it interesting. If you don't, ignore it....

... no fight in this topic please

so is it more often children who learn the Koran by heart ?

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Any user who would like to argue about any political or any other issues ,except the Turkish language related topics, may do that in the forum 'general off topic', but not on here, please.

As mentioned above, "hafiz" means who memorized the whole Qur'an verse by verse. There are thousands of hafiz's in Turkey. It's not easy. It takes around 2-3 years depending on your ability, and how many pages you can memorize per day. Also, once you memorize, you should read it very often, otherwise you may start forgetting. You may wonder how some one can memorize such a large text, but it's one of the miracles of the Quran that it can be memorised easily. The Quran is more than 600 pages, which in total is about 6300 verses. But a hafiz can recite you the whole Quran without stopping once. There are also some hafiz's who can recite a verse you want from any chapter you want. Like, if you ask the person to recite the 136th verse of the 14th chapter, then immediately does it...Wonderful, right? I haven't seen any one who memorised the whole New Testament, or the Old Testament....

What has the last line of your post got to do with your point? You can't see/know everything!

Language (learning a foreign language) is just like a woman; if you don't show enough care, they both leave you.

catwoman, that's very nice of you to delete the post replying yours. You wouldn't do that in the past.

I would be interested to know how much pressure is on a child (not sure at what age) to memorise the Koran. It is a choice that is made by the individual? I am talking about Turkey, not other Islamic countries.

While you can argue that a person should himself or herself chose whether he or she wants to memorise the quran or not, it is really hard to memorize it when you are old, hence the ambitious parents themselves chose whether to teach their sons/daughters or not. If you come to the stage when you can yourself chose to memorise it, it's really late. Like after the age of 15, it's hard to memorize the whole Quran. Children usually start memorising around the age of 12 by the encouragement of their parents and finish at the age of 14. Generally, the children are only encouraged, so it's by their consent that they memorise. Usually, the individual does not choose himself or herself, but his or her parents offer to him or her, and if the child accepts, then the memorising takes place. As far as I see, there is no obligation, where the parents force to make their children memorise the Quran. But personally, I wish that my parents had made me memorise it. I am now 18 years old, and I find it very difficult to memorise. I am very enthusiastic to do it, but I am struggling. I even sometimes wish that my parents have forced me to memorise it...I might not like it by that time, but now I would be appreciated!

are you being funny?

no, I just live here, but no turkish blood.

one more question
when you are 25 for example, knowing that when you were 14, you knew the Koran by heart, are you still considered as a "hafiz", is it easy to stay it, does it require regular work ?

Are there many people who memorize Kur'an in Türkiye ?

Every muslim memorize at least several short chapters to pray.
But most of Hafızs memorize all chapters of Kuran-ı Kerim at some schools who give education about İslam.
Every year here 5000 Hafızs educated.
Some Hafızs memorize all chapters of Kuran-ı Kerim at home.

I think it is a heavy job to do this, compliments for those who can. But.... I do not understand a thing. Why? Why do people do that? I was raised not exactly with the Bible but at school I had to read it, but I really can't find any reason to know it by heart. You can read your Holy book, take your prayers from it, but memorise?

Is there a member here who can?

Unlike the Holy Bible, there is only one version of the Qur'an. The Holy Bible has many different versions. Among these versions, there are some differences as well as some contradictions. Even the Bible that Catholics read, has seven more books, than the Bible that Protestants read. Since there is not one true and original Bible, it may not make sense for a Christian to memorise it. But we muslims have a Quran which is original and same everywhere. Also, the way we approach the Quran is a little bit different than the way the Christians approach the Bible. We believe that the Quran is a divine revelation. And memorising this book is an excellence. The prophet Muhammed said: "The best amongst you is the one who learns the Qur'an and teaches it".

At the end, the Quran is miraculous that it can be memorised easily. If you ask a hafiz to memorise something which has a volume of same magnitude as the Quran, he or she may not memorise it. It is not the intelligence of hafizs, but the miraculousness of the Quran that helps.

I totally agree that this discussion has exceeded a friend's innocent couriosty regarding the meaning of a word or how and why some moslems memorize their holy book.

I know by experience that discussions on relative merits of different religions is not possible in groups like this where half the paricipants can not talk the languages and the other half is totally ignorant of the religions themselves.

I would request all to refrain from this subject and keep the religion, which by nature is a very private thing, out of this group.

There are many other dedicated groups where you can try yourself on this subject, if you wish to do so.

I half agree with you Alpha, but at least this discussion has remained just that, not a few weeks ago, all hell would have been let loose, with hurtful and spiteful remarks being tossed around. I think this discussion is respectful and people are asking questions because they are interested. I am happy to read such a thread, so long a people who answer the questions do not become too pious. But like all good discussions, they reach their conclusion.

hicran,
You obviously can not differentiate between what is insulting, and what is not.
Can you pls keep religious issues out of this panel? That will be much safer.....

I think you share hicrans's differentiation problem.

See, no wonder you dont feel insulted !

We would all still be up there, if it were not for your apple.

Who cares if it was evolution or creation?

I can not get over the fact that the apple was not even washed first. Next time, I will insist on a nicely peeled and sliced one.

Medium size, perfectly shaped and very juicy.

hicran wrote
As someone who believes in the CHRIST, and someone who believes in the BIBLE, and someone who reads IT all the time, I WIll NOT EVER insult the Christianity nor the Christ, nor the Messiah!!!

AlphaF was amused
I also believe in Christ (that he is god's prophet) and the Bible (that it is a holy book): I also read the Bible (ok, not all the time, have other things to do); but guess what that makes me....a muslim. Amazing, is it not?

Guys,i haven't seen any insult here,do i miss something ? :-S

Read post number 45. Basically, it is putting down the Bible ... not a good idea if we are to be respectful to each other. In particular the phrase that there is not one true and original Bible (i.e. inferring the Bible we read today is false and not original) is inflammatory.

I know that in general in Turkey it is believed that the Bible has been changed. It is also true that in general in England it is believed that the Koran teaches violence, and that people who are not muslims can be killed. Just because everypne thinks something doesn't make it right. Both these points of view can be argued by scholars for years.

This forum is not the place for arguments based on conventional "wisdom" ... whose book is better than whose etc etc. There is a lot that I could write about the infallibility of the Bible, and all sorts of websites that I could point you to, but I choose not to, because of the rules of this forum, and because this is not the place for it.

So ... is it not reasonable for me to hope that those who want to say the Koran is better than the Bible would respect the same rules?

Maybe it would be good for admin to block this thread. It started out really nice and interesting on the subject of a hafiz.

Well i agree its not a place for such arguments,this thread about Hafız and better keep it in that direction.

Shall we not be better off, following the subject of juicy apples?

Guys,Hicran didnt mean any insult,even he/she has stated this.
He/she meant its not with the CHRIST wording,and that is true,first Bible has been written after CHRIST by 500 yrs.
Thats why there is more than one Bible.
And that is not the case with Kur'an.
We have only one Kur'an with same wording all over the world.

Water melon will work with you ?
İts very hot out here,and i really would appreciate it,specially if its cold , Yummyyyy lol

Pakistanis' most commonly used sentense is "Allah hafiz". Which is another usage of this word. It means "May Allah keeps you."

I asked a Hafiz about the benefit of reciting the whole Quran, he said "besides all the religous fullfilment, it will be very easy to memorise anything after you memorise the holy book.", personally I don't have this experience though.

not really CANLI, not all but there are some people use it like this: "hafizanAllah", which is used as "may Allah protect."I mean instead of "Allah korusun".

alper
Welcome back,long time no see .

Then ALLAH Hafız Olsun is wrong ?Doesnt give same meaning?

This thread has been locked as it violates rules 10 and 11 of the forum rules.......