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double ii possible?
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:12 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix:
"Süleymaniye Camii'ne gitti"
"Gazete bayiine geldi"
"Şiir mısraını okudu" |
I do understand the last two (I forgot the second suffix gets a 'n' insteadof 'y')
But not the first sentence. Why: suleymanIYE ?
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:32 pm |
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Quoting izah: What's a light or soft A? |
Light A or soft A is same as you pronounce A in the word dAte for example
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:36 pm |
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i understand it is the same. But what is it? the a in date sounds as an e to me....
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:41 pm |
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Quoting izah: Quoting caliptrix:
"Süleymaniye Camii'ne gitti"
"Gazete bayiine geldi"
"Şiir mısraını okudu" |
I do understand the last two (I forgot the second suffix gets a 'n' insteadof 'y')
But not the first sentence. Why: suleymanIYE ? |
I thought youare talking about "The Mosque Süleymaniye"
if it was a name:
Süleyman camiye gitti
Süleyman is subject
cami is a noun itself (not like what I explained some posts ago)
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:43 pm |
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Quoting izah: i understand it is the same. But what is it? the a in date sounds as an e to me.... |
We don't have a tape, but really you can't understand or you want a special thing?
Don't you have an ear? When there is a treble/soft sound and when there is a bass/hard sound comes, you can easily understand.
Maybe you have heard soprano/tenor etc.
a is different from e
at has a
saat has a too but a bit near to e
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 09:43 pm |
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Well,actually its sound like a mixture between A and E, which giving the A the light sound.
A in dAte is not same with A in cAr
The light or soft A is not in the Turkish letters,but it is in the Arabic letters.
So when a word Arabic origin and use the A letter,its sound would be normally soft,that is why we use the soft vowels with it when we add suffix.
Harf...harflEr
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 10:14 pm |
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 ) fortunatly i have ears
But it's quite hard this. Of course i hear the difference betweensoprano and tenor (i call it high and law) but that sort of difference doesn't change the characteristics of the sound for me... Probably beacause in my own language (dutch) it won't.
And also i hear a big difference between the A of car and of date! For me their two totally different vowels. The car a is like the normal a in turkish (i suppose) and the date a sounds for me very close to the turksih (and dutch) e. (in dutch we write ee for this sound). I didnt know saat was pronounced like the a in date. For me saat sounds like a different sound, (in dutch we use aa for this as well) like yhe a in the french word 'a'.
Things like soft and light and high are not words i connect with the character of a sound... may be it depend on your motherthong how you hear/see this kind of things... (?) difficult and interesting all this!
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 10:25 pm |
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Quoting izah: ) fortunatly i have ears
But it's quite hard this. Of course i hear the difference betweensoprano and tenor (i call it high and law) but that sort of difference doesn't change the characteristics of the sound for me... Probably beacause in my own language (dutch) it won't.
And also i hear a big difference between the A of car and of date! For me their two totally different vowels. The car a is like the normal a in turkish (i suppose) and the date a sounds for me very close to the turksih (and dutch) e. (in dutch we write ee for this sound). I didnt know saat was pronounced like the a in date. For me saat sounds like a different sound, (in dutch we use aa for this as well) like yhe a in the french word 'a'.
Things like soft and light and high are not words i connect with the character of a sound... may be it depend on your motherthong how you hear/see this kind of things... (?) difficult and interesting all this! |
We said "a bit lighter"!!!!!
A bit lighter "a".
Not like "date"!
But I think you are some bad at tongue movements. I already explained the difference.
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08 Sep 2007 Sat 10:34 pm |
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Quoting caliptrix: We said "a bit lighter"!!!!!
A bit lighter "a".
Not like "date"!
But I think you are some bad at tongue movements. I already explained the difference. |
Relax!
Somebody who doesn't get the concept of a light "a", doesn't get the concept of "a bit lighter a" neither!
Has nothing to do with the movements of my tong but with the use of words to express sound differences.
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| 29. |
08 Sep 2007 Sat 11:19 pm |
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Heyyy,you can actually hear it,thanks to Fatih
Open the dictionaty,and search the word,and listen to the word pronunciation
İ guess you would get it better .
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09 Sep 2007 Sun 10:41 am |
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Quoting izah: Quoting caliptrix: We said "a bit lighter"!!!!!
A bit lighter "a".
Not like "date"!
But I think you are some bad at tongue movements. I already explained the difference. |
Relax!
Somebody who doesn't get the concept of a light "a", doesn't get the concept of "a bit lighter a" neither!
Has nothing to do with the movements of my tong but with the use of words to express sound differences. |
ok, sorry
you may try this for saat:
go here: http://www.turkishdictionary.net/?word=saat
click on play button on the center of the page
and listen
And try for "at" too:
http://www.turkishdictionary.net/?word=at
or you may want some different resources to listen.
Here is Seslisozluk: http://www.seslisozluk.com
if you get a free membership, you can listen the same words here:
saat: http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=saat
at: http://www.seslisozluk.com/?word=at
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