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23 Sep 2007 Sun 06:06 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I never understand the comment "what good does talking/discussing do"? It's rather like saying "what good does listening to music do?" or "what good does looking at nice paintings do"? |
In that case Roswitha shouldn't have posted the initial article in the first place, but she did.
The problem is that you just cannot say anything that they don't like, even if you're talking about plain, cold history (that doesn't apply the other way round). Some people here just don't respect our rights to - for example - exchange information about history, because everything has to be on their terms. I feel disrespected and insulted!!!
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23 Sep 2007 Sun 06:20 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Trudy: Sorry, you have to wait a couple decades before I reach that level.... |
..a couple of centuries in my case   |
ive been talking english since one and a half year,its not hard that much i guess
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23 Sep 2007 Sun 06:24 pm |
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Quoting turquoise: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Trudy: Sorry, you have to wait a couple decades before I reach that level.... |
..a couple of centuries in my case |
ive been talking english since one and a half year,its not hard that much i guess |
Chapeau! Then you are a fast learner (and probably not as lazy as I am....). 
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23 Sep 2007 Sun 06:54 pm |
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So intresting A flag in Venice,then a falg on moon,later a flag in a Mars colony...
* Armies are not going to make fun when they marsh.
* They are not going to give happiness... how can as a solider to enter a home in another country and behead the mother and father then give the remained baby a candy saying: Baby don't worry from now you will get a better life.
* The Middle-Ages was titled superficially in the name of religion but in fact there were wars for getting more lands, having more slaves and then collecting more wealth to build palaces that will become Turism sights in the next centuries.
* God's relgion is so different from the Human religion...
While God calling for saving people and love
Human beings are proud of killing, ocupying and hate!!
* You can not free me using any name or religion, because I am who the responsible to free myself. You may free me from an iron handscuffs or silver one, but soon you may put a golden one for me ........ no difference because I can not move my hands freely
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23 Sep 2007 Sun 08:47 pm |
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Catwoman,
Your point of view in not the issue. Your presentation of your views and the misrepresentation of historical facts is. Issues that I have mentioned are uncontested and well documented. I was commenting on your inaccurate recitation of facts
Regarding my post of the Spanish torture, it was added to show the context of the events of the time of the battle of Lepanto.
If you only talk about one historical fact, that gives a one sided view and misrepresents the larger picture. Things have context and that is very important. As history is many faceted, one has to be careful when one quotes. By only showing one facet, our understanding is compromised.
"but Spain was originally Christian and was invaded by Muslims in 711. Tensions were increasing until 1492 when Muslims lost power on the territory. Since Islam was founded, Muslims had continuous wars to conquer their neighbors."
When you make a statement that Spain was originally Christian and present it as fact, it is an inaccurate presentation of history. It is simply not true. Spain has over 15,000 years of documented history. Christianity is only a little over 2,000 years old. That is a fact.
"The Altamira Cave
The Sistine Chapel of Palaeolithic Art"
http://www.showcaves.com/english/es/showcaves/Altamira.html
"The problem is that you just cannot say anything that they don't like, even if you're talking about plain, cold history (that doesn't apply the other way round). Some people here just don't respect our rights to - for example - exchange information about history, because everything has to be on their terms. I feel disrespected and insulted!!!"
You are as a person are not disrespected, but your scholarship could use some refinement.
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24 Sep 2007 Mon 02:05 am |
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who is a real scientist or a real historian?
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24 Sep 2007 Mon 07:02 am |
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Quoting alameda: Regarding my post of the Spanish torture, it was added to show the context of the events of the time of the battle of Lepanto. |
The language of that part was quite brutal, was that on purpose? Can you imagine your reaction if I quoted a "one-sided" source like that???
Quoting alameda: If you only talk about one historical fact, that gives a one sided view and misrepresents the larger picture. Things have context and that is very important. As history is many faceted, one has to be careful when one quotes. By only showing one facet, our understanding is compromised. |
Completely agreed, however - why didn't you protest about the one-sided view of Roswitha's post? 
Quoting alameda: When you make a statement that Spain was originally Christian and present it as fact, it is an inaccurate presentation of history. It is simply not true. Spain has over 15,000 years of documented history. Christianity is only a little over 2,000 years old. That is a fact. |
I said that Spain was Christian before Muslims invaded it in 711.
Quoting alameda: You are as a person are not disrespected, but your scholarship could use some refinement. |
I can accept that my scholarship could use refinement if you don't act like YOU are the source of the truth.
And I truly wonder how YOU would react if I said that your posts are 'disgusting and insulting' and if I aggressively jumped on you that you are 'always looking for ways to insult me'?! Yes, that is a a personal insult that some of you are using at will when it comes to bashing me or the West in general (I know it's not you who said that, but others reacted along these lines and I do feel offended by it).
I really respect you as a person Alameda, but PLEASE don't demonize me without making any effort to understand my point of view and please don't accuse me all the time about things that aren't true. Don't you think that you also have similar responsibility to see my side of the story and participate in the dialogue? Many people stereotype all Muslims precisely because such dialogue barely ever exists...
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24 Sep 2007 Mon 06:36 pm |
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Did I miss something? When I read the original post, I didn't even notice any of this? It just seemed like an interesting tidbit. How silly am I for taking it at face value and not reading into it.
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24 Sep 2007 Mon 07:31 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Regarding my post of the Spanish torture, it was added to show the context of the events of the time of the battle of Lepanto. |
The language of that part was quite brutal, was that on purpose? Can you imagine your reaction if I quoted a "one-sided" source like that???
Quoting alameda: If you only talk about one historical fact, that gives a one sided view and misrepresents the larger picture. Things have context and that is very important. As history is many faceted, one has to be careful when one quotes. By only showing one facet, our understanding is compromised. |
Completely agreed, however - why didn't you protest about the one-sided view of Roswitha's post?
Quoting alameda: When you make a statement that Spain was originally Christian and present it as fact, it is an inaccurate presentation of history. It is simply not true. Spain has over 15,000 years of documented history. Christianity is only a little over 2,000 years old. That is a fact. |
I said that Spain was Christian before Muslims invaded it in 711.
Quoting alameda: You are as a person are not disrespected, but your scholarship could use some refinement. |
I can accept that my scholarship could use refinement if you don't act like YOU are the source of the truth.
And I truly wonder how YOU would react if I said that your posts are 'disgusting and insulting' and if I aggressively jumped on you that you are 'always looking for ways to insult me'?! Yes, that is a a personal insult that some of you are using at will when it comes to bashing me or the West in general (I know it's not you who said that, but others reacted along these lines and I do feel offended by it).
I really respect you as a person Alameda, but PLEASE don't demonize me without making any effort to understand my point of view and please don't accuse me all the time about things that aren't true. Don't you think that you also have similar responsibility to see my side of the story and participate in the dialogue? Many people stereotype all Muslims precisely because such dialogue barely ever exists... |
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