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Dear Catwoman....
I'm glad to see we are on the same page. I'm glad to read you did not mean to be insulting.
"Alameda, then we are on the same page. Please, don't be so easily insulted by everything even when there's no insult! I'm really tired of you and others taking everything personally and making any discussions impossible! If I bashed something somewhere, please show it to me and I'll explain it to you or correct myself."
In the interest in more constructive conversations, and seeing as you asked, here is where it started going downhill:
post #6 "Uluj Ali (...) tried to free Spain from Christian rule by sending a fleet of 40 ships' lol
Obviously, that's the Muslim version of truth.."
This next is inaccurate and insulting:
post # 14 "Yes, what I mean is that in an unbiased, educational article, you don't use phrases like "Muslims went to free Spain from Christians". This just shows their desires to take over the peninsula. Yes, by 1400 there were many Muslims in Spain, but Spain was originally Christian and was invaded by Muslims in 711. Tensions were increasing until 1492 when Muslims lost power on the territory. Since Islam was founded, Muslims had continuous wars to conquer their neighbors."
"What are you trying to prove with your quote? I never said that Christians didn't do anything wrong, the question was about who invaded who. I am absolutely not defending Christian barbaric past."
I wasn't aware of the fact there was a question as to who invaded who. Everyone invaded everyone at some time, so it seems....again...Spain was not originally Christian.
http://libro.uca.edu/mckenna/pagan1.htm
My post was only to contest the assertion that Christian re-conquest of Spain was not in fact a re-conquest. Spain was a multicultural country and was not a unified Christian country until 1492. Even then,it became a Roman Catholic country. Those who were not Roman Catholic were considered heretics.. It took more than a few years of the Inquisition to get it to be a unified Roman Catholic country....note that in England the Protestant Reformation was taking place...
I might point out that at the same time they (the Spanish) were teaching the Aztecs and other natives in the New World about Christianity.....my point is pointing fingers at Muslims zeal to spread their religion is out of line as this type of activity was not unique at that time. "Since Islam was founded, Muslims had continuous wars to conquer their neighbors.".....Isabella and Ferdinand were all over the place and in other parts of Europe Protestant Reformation was not exactly a peaceful event.
My point is when we focus on only one part of the picture it gives a warped view....
It was six men of Indostan,
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.
The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear,
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"
http://www.noogenesis.com/pineapple/blind_men_elephant.html
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(hahaha never heard the version related to turkish women!)