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Turkish ladies
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 07:06 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Chantal: But how come then that we have so many opinions about what 'turkish men's life' are like? Would be a weird question too... But we're doing it anyway |
I think we have only mentioned Turkish TOURIST Workers  . |
Yep gotta agree with you there! hehehehehe!
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 07:39 pm |
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And what would you call this? Certainly you wanted it to go across well!!! 
Quoting Badiabdancer74: So what you are saying...Turkish women are human beings... Who would have thought? |
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 07:42 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: And what would you call this?
Quoting Badiabdancer74: So what you are saying...Turkish women are human beings... Who would have thought? |
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shhhhh! 
shes a so called psychologist with her degree in her pocket! 
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 07:50 pm |
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It's sarcasm. "they are human beings...Who would have thought!" is the same as "they are human beings...duhhh!" It doesn't work well in written form without inflection. If you aren't a native English speaker, you really might not understand it so I explained. I suppose I could write anything and someone is going to pick out one line and try to make a fight. My point being I think humans have a lot more in common cross-culturally than they do differences.
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 07:54 pm |
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Quoting Badiabdancer74: It's sarcasm. "they are human beings...Who would have thought!" is the same as "they are human beings...duhhh!" It doesn't work well in written form without inflection. If you aren't a native English speaker, you really might not understand it so I explained. I suppose I could write anything and someone is going to pick out one line and try to make a fight. My point being I think humans have a lot more in common cross-culturally than they do differences. |
And so do I. Strange though that you write things that can be made into a fight and then you're surprised that someone responds with the same sarcasm... and then - YOU make it into a fight! I even asked you to explain better why it's SO wrong to try and talk about how culture affects people.
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 08:22 pm |
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From what I easily understood reading Badiadancer's post was: Your post didn't say anything that was unique to Turkish women. What you said could be attributed to any people, any place, anytime. What you said was true about all humans.....and you didn't give her time to respond regarding "I even asked you to explain better why it's SO wrong to try and talk about how culture affects people"
Some people don't devote full time to responding here.
Quoting catwoman: Quoting Badiabdancer74: It's sarcasm. "they are human beings...Who would have thought!" is the same as "they are human beings...duhhh!" It doesn't work well in written form without inflection. If you aren't a native English speaker, you really might not understand it so I explained. I suppose I could write anything and someone is going to pick out one line and try to make a fight. My point being I think humans have a lot more in common cross-culturally than they do differences. |
And so do I. Strange though that you write things that can be made into a fight and then you're surprised that someone responds with the same sarcasm... and then - YOU make it into a fight! I even asked you to explain better why it's SO wrong to try and talk about how culture affects people. |
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 08:33 pm |
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Quoting alameda: From what I easily understood reading Badiadancer's post was: Your post didn't say anything that was unique to Turkish women. |
Of course that's not true, there are unique things in Turkish women, though they're not easy to describe. Of course there are individual differences and it's wrong to say that "every Turkish woman is x and y". But at the same time there certainly are cultural differences that are worthwhile to talk about.
I wrote what I wrote earlier because I wanted to emphasize that there are differences and the similarities are not straightforward. It's important to not make generalizations that are not true, but at the same time some ARE true to a noticeable extent.
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 08:51 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: From what I easily understood reading Badiadancer's post was: Your post didn't say anything that was unique to Turkish women. |
Of course that's not true, there are unique things in Turkish women, though they're not easy to describe. Of course there are individual differences and it's wrong to say that "every Turkish woman is x and y". But at the same time there certainly are cultural differences that are worthwhile to talk about.
I wrote what I wrote earlier because I wanted to emphasize that there are differences and the similarities are not straightforward. It's important to not make generalizations that are not true, but at the same time some ARE true to a noticeable extent. |
Again we are getting back to generalization,what i would like to hear is an opinion of a Turkish women being just curious how they see themselves.
I agree that always there are some stereotyped images,which other nations have about the rest of the world,which are more or less based on personal experience or things"just heard".But pretty often we are so subjective in forming our opinions with general tendency to point out some things and do forget the others.
Being a woman in particular country will always mean different life attitude,life expectations due to the social position of a woman,different educational and cultural background,different way of thinking according to the country and family values passed in the process of growing up.
What is probably similar to all of them in every corner of the world is being more emotional and having bigger empathy towards others and having to struggle in a way for equal treatment.
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 08:53 pm |
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Here is what your synopsis of Turkish women was:
"The one generalization that I think is accurate is that most Turkish women are unfortunately very much obsessed with looks, which is really not surprising, looking at Turkish media. Overall they are nice and friendly, just like Turks in general."
Do you think they are more obsessed with looks than American women? In the US there is an epedemic of anorexia and bulimia....all related to looking a certain way, with very destructive results. Women wearing childish garments that are not at all age appropriate, in order to look younger and more appealing.
And talk about media....Turkish media has nothing on US media concerning the propagation of women looking sexy. I have noticed European media being much better.
I forget what film it was, but they had to go to Europe to find an actress who had not been botoxed, nipped and tucked to look much younger. One sees women in the US competing with 20 year olds in the looks department.
FWIW from the many Turkish women I've met, the one characteristic that stands out is their good manners and ettiquette. This I have seen from highly educated women to simple country women.
Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: From what I easily understood reading Badiadancer's post was: Your post didn't say anything that was unique to Turkish women. |
Of course that's not true, there are unique things in Turkish women, though they're not easy to describe. Of course there are individual differences and it's wrong to say that "every Turkish woman is x and y". But at the same time there certainly are cultural differences that are worthwhile to talk about.
I wrote what I wrote earlier because I wanted to emphasize that there are differences and the similarities are not straightforward. It's important to not make generalizations that are not true, but at the same time some ARE true to a noticeable extent. |
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 09:05 pm |
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I have noticed that my mother and sister in law (and my husbands female Aunts and Cousins) are masters of manipulation. They just have a talent for presenting information to their husbands in order to elicite the response they want. It reminds me a little of that line in My Big Fat Greek Wedding....."A man may be the head of the family but the woman is the neck and she can turn him anyway she wants." I have no idea what this means for all Turkish women but that is what I have seen.
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08 Oct 2007 Mon 09:08 pm |
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Alameda, you're saying "because american women are also obsessed with looks, we shouldn't talk about turkish women", which I don't think makes sense. It is worth to talk about it even if it was just because of the fact that the way american women obsess about looks, (express their emotions, the things they think about in their lives) are all very different from turkish women.
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