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Nationalism soars in Turkey
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 04:24 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: In a nutshell racism/nationailists/fasist and what they have done to Turkey and turks:
It all started in macedonia in nearly 150-200 years ago while racism was growing generally in Europe. And End of ottoman empire these racists came to the power (Enver/Talaat pashas etc) and they screwed it up entirely.
Most importantly, They commited 1915 crimes against Ermenians , which the entire nation is being accused for. 
During second world war, our home grown racists with the person 'Nihat Atsiz' and also with the help of nazis, they started to show up again.
And they orginised 1956 september this time against Greeks..Another shame for Turkey
Came to 1970..right wing thugs against left wing students. Tortures, defending the country, killings of Turkish intellects, union leaders, university teachers, editors etc..Arranging mass killings in some cities (K maras is one example). They are all the victims of these 'thugs'
1980's cu-de-ta years, idiotic racist generals' ruling (now it is ironic they all accept their mistakes). Banning kurdish language, trying to belittle kurdish as a race by the generals etc.
And as a result of that born of PKK. (A typical example how racism fuels racism)
1990s, racists thugs played huge role in those years..mainly killed kurdish intellects, turtures etc. (I remembered I think Musa Anter-Kurdish Intellect- killed by our racists too)
And recently Hrant Dink-beautiful Ermenian Turk intellect- killed by those thugs. Malatya, some christians killed by them because they were missioners (or they were just christans..)
And even our Nobel prize winner Orhan Pamuk cant live in Turkey because of these thugs!!
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And more racist our low IQ racists become more kurdish racisms grew in Turkey.
Every racists comment sent more young kurds into the mountains and we lost our soldiers.
Because they are unable to understand this simple 'racism breeds racism' circle, we lost many many lives in Turkey.
Racism (and our racists)is (partly) responsible for this situation in Turkey right now.
They should not be saying simply that they are kurdish and killing our soldiers..
NO. Racism is killing our soldiers. And every racist should be blamed for those killings.
And for our country's racists..That is enough..You have been our SHAME for a long time. You brought only shame to that beautiful country's people.
You should not be calling themselves Turks.
Because you are not!! |
i was going to sleep but i decided to write a reply about this damn posting
A communist traitor named Nazım Hikmet as he were annouincing loyalty to Stalin ( this letter is available) , Turkish heroes were dying at the fronts in Salvation War.
While you were talking about PKK you forgot how they killed innocent Turkish teachers and doctors in eastern. The only guilt of them was trying to teach and healing kurds.
Why don't you tell what Armanian rebels did to the local folk ? Armenians have been killed by Kurdish rebels in 1915 ( what if i say that way ). And do not forget to mention about Hodjalı (in Azarbaican) massacre in 1992 by Armanians.
You poor low capacity traitor, they were not Greeks they were Jews. Hüseyin Nihal ATSIZ was the biggest Turkolog up to now. Show me a person who has a great knowledge entire Turkic History. Tear down if you cannot build it is the way of idiot communists. By the way While Greeks were raping women and killing men in Salvation war, it was not a shame for Greeks huh ? I bet if it happen right now, you would be just watching.
in 1970's you know what red communists did already than me as a communist. They were trying to bring communism and want Turkey dependency of USSR. And killed too many innocent people and nationalist youth , bank robbery, kidnapping, boat hi-jaking etc. Killed a Turkish intellectual İlhan Darendelioğlu as too many people have eye-witnessed.
Hrant Dink was a fierce enemy of Turkish people and Republic even he was making money in Turkey.
Racism fules racism, phewww.. Lets talk about kurdish riots for 200 years. PKK is last of them. A kurd terrorist named Musa Anter was one of the commanding leader of PKK. Why don't you tell that ??? His all writing was against Turkey Republic. Like the way all kurds do right now.
As a consequent , poor and ignorant comments are only belong to traitors like you the handsome. I am 100% sure that in any war , if you have a gun probably you'd point it to Turks. And you don't call yourself a Turk. Cos you are not a Turk.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 09:36 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Insults and names don't hurt me 
Its exactly the same - you are calling all Kurdish people PKK supporters.... |
Aenigma :  Great debate, assertive but not aggressive.
Unlike Mr Inn.
Where's admin? Where are you? Coo-ey? Coo-ey? Are you asleep? 
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 09:39 am |
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Quoting Erlik Han: By the way this is my country, i don't care about yours. I am calling all kurdish are kurdish racists. ( execptions do not break the rule ). You can call any religion as any way. But the thing you never get is the fact of religions built by races. |
It also happens to be the country of every person from any ethnic minority who wants to be here, who supports the country and loves it, who works hard, who pays their taxes, who does their military service etc.
And yes, I know many people from a Kurdish ethnic background who fulfill of these criteria. Even one goverment minister.
That is why Atatürk said "Ne mutlu Türküm diyene" not "Ne mutlu Türke".
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 11:07 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I hate censorship, but I'm starting to wonder if the majority of this thread should be deleted by Admins. These people are disgusting... |
this is a bad idea!
which people are disgusting?
its very interesting. let us learn more about turks and their mentality. as you say they are showing their colors. how would otherwise you would get to know them? by flattering them?
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 11:59 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: I hate censorship, but I'm starting to wonder if the majority of this thread should be deleted by Admins. These people are disgusting... |
this is a bad idea!
which people are disgusting?
its very interesting. let us learn more about turks and their mentality. as you say they are showing their colors. how would otherwise you would get to know them? by flattering them? |
let us learn more about turks and their mentality.!!
Should we all learn each country's people and their mentality by listening to their racists?
Do you think I will learn a lot from BNP supporters?
But I agree.. censorship should be avoided..
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 12:29 pm |
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Femme_fatal, for my own part I tend to leave you out when I think about Kazakhs.
Because I sometimes can't find a proper word to describe your approach to certain matters.
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 12:39 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
let us learn more about turks and their mentality.!!
Should we all learn each country's people and their mentality by listening to their racists?
Do you think I will learn a lot from BNP supporters?
But I agree.. censorship should be avoided.. |
im afraid the racists stand for the majority. you can try to hide it, but its a fact. you scratch a bit you find nationalists, racists to your suprise. you know it so well, hndsome. they play tolerance/love/respect until you step on essense of their culture, then you get suprised, the doves of peace turn into dragons.
thats so simple.
why do we all call each other to disguise ourselves and pretend? most of us arent the doves of peace, if necessary they show their real face. even when they show, there are always those who ask/beg to pretend as if they were no evil.
arent you tired of it, handsome?
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 12:40 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: In a nutshell racism/nationailists/fasist and what they have done to Turkey and turks:
It all started in macedonia in nearly 150-200 years ago while racism was growing generally in Europe. And End of ottoman empire these racists came to the power (Enver/Talaat pashas etc) and they screwed it up entirely.
Most importantly, They commited 1915 crimes against Ermenians , which the entire nation is being accused for.
During second world war, our home grown racists with the person 'Nihat Atsiz' and also with the help of nazis, they started to show up again.
And they orginised 1956 september this time against Greeks..Another shame for Turkey
Came to 1970..right wing thugs against left wing students. Tortures, defending the country, killings of Turkish intellects, union leaders, university teachers, editors etc..Arranging mass killings in some cities (K maras is one example). They are all the victims of these 'thugs'
1980's cu-de-ta years, idiotic racist generals' ruling (now it is ironic they all accept their mistakes). Banning kurdish language, trying to belittle kurdish as a race by the generals etc.
And as a result of that born of PKK. (A typical example how racism fuels racism)
1990s, racists thugs played huge role in those years..mainly killed kurdish intellects, turtures etc. (I remembered I think Musa Anter-Kurdish Intellect- killed by our racists too)
And recently Hrant Dink-beautiful Ermenian Turk intellect- killed by those thugs. Malatya, some christians killed by them because they were missioners (or they were just christans..)
And even our Nobel prize winner Orhan Pamuk cant live in Turkey because of these thugs!!
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And more racist our low IQ racists become more kurdish racisms grew in Turkey.
Every racists comment sent more young kurds into the mountains and we lost our soldiers.
Because they are unable to understand this simple 'racism breeds racism' circle, we lost many many lives in Turkey.
Racism (and our racists)is (partly) responsible for this situation in Turkey right now.
They should not be saying simply that they are kurdish and killing our soldiers..
NO. Racism is killing our soldiers. And every racist should be blamed for those killings.
And for our country's racists..That is enough..You have been our SHAME for a long time. You brought only shame to that beautiful country's people.
You should not be calling themselves Turks.
Because you are not!! |
a post which includes some history... but i cant say that this is totally objective post...
first of all i want to start with this left-right wing issue... from memory of my father when we were talking in some late time at night: "they killed an 18 years old young boy, for only that he was going to Imam Hatip Lisesi in Fatsa. yeah we killed eachother our own blood and fleshes, but they killed the way more" this is from my fathers eyes who was in that kaos those times of the year, he was pretty sad to see the situation how it came to that level. but he said that we are a nation who is easy to get tension from PROVACATORS. it was strange to see how this topic came through near Kurd-Turk topic.
secondly, that greek kaos aswell during those times, was talked here aswell... and its not only one sided events... greeks also made lots of damages in those areas where mostly turks live. ofcourse this doesnt give us the right to cause damages here aswell... but it happened...
the rest is the same.. it has its causes and affects...
there was no point to put these historical dark days here... and blaming only right sided people... for that... it was ridiculous actually... everybody is guilty for what happened in the past... who moved without thinking and following others like sheeps...
i am myself not happy for all those happened, as people died, but we cant do anything to bring them back... if we have any respect... for all who were killed... i am sure we have lots of things to do better than digging past all the time...
to stop terrorism, its all politics...
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23 Nov 2007 Fri 12:41 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Femme_fatal, for my own part I tend to leave you out when I think about Kazakhs.
Because I sometimes can't find a proper word to describe your approach to certain matters. |
well, what can i say? should i start pretending in order to please you?
you said you have kazakh friends, well, enjoy them. they have the same mentality like yours, dont they? thats why you like them? they flatter you, you flatter them. a club of self adorers!
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I know because I can see now,lots of foreigners comeing and using your country and paying no tax,glad I came here
I'm not racist.You dont know about kurdish people(not all but alot)only those who have lives with them they know 