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Nationalism soars in Turkey
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 01:49 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Each time I attempt to read your posts I lose track of what's going on.
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Yeah me too. Actually I just saw defending/attacking stuff to Aenigmas post which were sort of irrelevant, as to me it seemed the replyer had understood her intention wrong?
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 01:51 am |
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The opposite of "pure" is not necessarily "dirty". "Mixed"
or "blended" are more likely candidates.
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 01:53 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: The opposite of "pure" is not necessarily "dirty". "Mixed"
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Yes you are right, but I was merely meaning another part which it can imply, especially when such words are used in discussions like this. But you are right, since İ wont consider my own blood dirty, but its definitely mixed 
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:00 am |
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Deli_kizin
It makes a lot of difference...
When a Brit calls someone HALF BLOOD, he means to insult the other guy. When I call someone MELEZ (Turkish for HALF BLOOD), it simply means that that person is a mixture of two races, and it carries no personal insult.
Yet some people here do not believe RACISM is basically of Western origin...and insist that I am the racist here...
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:04 am |
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But what does the origin of racism matter, if it is used in other countries too? The point is not the origin of it, the point is the action of a racist.
Im not saying you are a racist, but it was your own post who rose this idea among people. You too, did not choose your words carefully and spread the idea that its not PKK Turks are against, but simply the Kurds. And that is racism, whether is western origin or not.
Anyway, you stated later that you meant to say that its between Turks and PKK, so I hope that to be your true thoughts, because they are the only right ones 
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:14 am |
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Quoting mylo: Quoting CANLI:
You've puzzled me with your posts,to be accurate with your way of thinking,and still !
İ mean,i thought im Egyptian,can anyone say to me same as you did ?!
That im not Egyptian for ANY darn reason?!
Who'd DARE to say that anyway?!
Who DARE to judge if i have a PURE BLOOD or not ?
And who made him,or you the judge,by what authority you can judge who has pure blood or not ?
Or who is Turkish or not ?!
And what is it with PURE BLOOD anyway ?
So,i should be daughter of Pharoh to be pure blood,and i guess you should be son or daughter of the Osmanlı Empire too ?!
Come to think about it..
You are living in England as i understood,married to a Brit, so your kids wont have PURE BLOOD..will they ?
So they wont be neither a Turks,nor a Brits,because either way they wont have PURE Turkish BLOOD nor PURE British BLOOD !
So,where should they live ?
As you believe,only PURE BLOOD people has the right to live in the country
Thats why Kurds dont have the right to be in Türkiye,
So your kids wont have the right to live in Türkiye,nor in England...
So.. ?!
İ dont believe you people !
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For 'these words' I am forced to apologise,I am the said spouse with whom she is married, and my wife speaks from her heart,she has her hang up's about her country as I do in mine but,however I don't agree with what she has said here,and in principle neither does she,she just loves her home country, if there is something wrong with this let me know!
I don't need to quantify her words neither do I shy away from them,I actually agree with her in many ways and with many others here 'passive aggressive' is not the way forward these issues need to be brought forward and not hidden, they should be discussed,expressed,we need a move forward.
'The freedom of speech Act' in the UK is not there for when it suits everyone,it's there for everyone to give their voice to a subject,even if we don't agree with what is being said!It's the receivers response that counts no?If it isn't like this it goes into a 'pidgeon hole''it's only Freedom Of Speech' when it suits,and doesn't offend anyone ever!How is that'Freedom'?As much as I hate them,the BNP and other right wing parties are in essence trying to look after the rights of the milions who were born here before them,and who struggled to make this country great,I'm not talking about The Royal Family,wealthy landowners,i'm talking working class men/women who worked their nuts and bolts off after the war to re-build this country England and the UK,who never took time off,and scoffed at the fact that someone from another country could do a better job than them,this is national pride,not racisim,if you have a better tag to put on this say it!
However this really irritates me(maybe only me,hey i'm using my fredom here)
'I can't say this'in case it offends someone...'I can't say that' because society tells me I can't....'I can't disagree with a minority'because they will complain...or it's not 'PC' This is like i'm only a bit pregnant Doctor,not a lot but i'm nearly thereI can only talk freely a little but,if it offends one person abort:?
The sad story is that in the UK today this is how most of the people feel,whether they like it or not(socialisation from birth)(google it)when I say natives I mean 'Whites'(if i'm being rascist let me know?i'll revoke everything i've said,but as far as I know until the last hundred years or so the majority of the population here were white,I have a feeling i'm going to eat these words because most English/British folk will either attack their own in order to show how 'free' superior they are or say nothing in case of being vindicated,because society/the government/the press, told them to be so).
Do natives not feel that they are paying too much tax in the UK?Do they not feel 'put upon' in the UK? I certainly do,when I pay my yearly tax bill, and when I see migrant foreigners cashing in on an infrastructure and superstucture that's already been built/established from our forefathers,through no help from any distant foreigner,after the First and Second World Wars how many of these' foriegn assistants' to our Welfare State'was there?
The problem now continues these immigrants are paying no tax on the whole working in the back of kebab houses(although this establishment is not exclusive,taxi drivers,selling substances they really shouldn't be selling etc....)at the same time you see your Mother/Father retiring on less money after 50 odd years hard work and 'they' earn more working illegally,and people have the balls to say 'you are a racist',bring it on,I have so many websites full of numbers,figures,all in favour,and not in favour of immigrants to the UK I can't count them all,but as we all knew anyway these numbers all speak the truth and they never lie
If you want to call the Police,because i'm not exercising my 'freedom of speech' correctly or inciting racial hatred and all the other crap the British Media want's to churn out,let me know i'll give you my number.I finish with a quote picked up at uni for all you number/statistician fans,
'There are lies,damned lies,and then there are statistics'
Desmond disraeli...
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Well,nice meeting you mylo
But we are talking here about TURKİSH citizens,NOT immigrants !
Kurdish people ARE Turkish,so i dont see the similarities here!
Beside,with all my respect due to all the immigration problems you have talked about,i dont think anyone has the right to look at another one down for ANY reason,specially for being PURE BLOOD or not!
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:17 am |
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Deli_kizin,
Look, you are reading posts by Turks here...you must have noted expressions like "our Kurdish brothers" or ""our Iraqi brothers" frequently used here...
Have you ever noticed a Westerner to use the expression "our Indian brothers" or "our Pakistani brothers"?
"our Australian brothers" is possible, but never "our Aborigine brothers" 
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:25 am |
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Do you mean by "Indians", the NATIVE Americans - which is the phrase used now to distiguish them from the people of India.If you do, than your remark is exactly right - the non-Indian Americans do not conceptualize native Amnericans as "Brothers" - rather as "others". This is the sad legacy of the American Genocide of the Native Americans.
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:31 am |
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I did not mean the Native Americans, but they are no exception to white men's rule either.
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:31 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: When a Brit calls someone HALF BLOOD, he means to insult the other guy. When I call someone MELEZ (Turkish for HALF BLOOD), it simply means that that person is a mixture of two races, and it carries no personal insult.
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There is no such phrase "half blood" used in the UK. I don't know where you got this from. Racism is purely from the west? I think history says differently...
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25 Nov 2007 Sun 02:36 am |
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Pls stop fidgeting over details...You understand exactly what I mean..))))))))))))))))))))
Will you be happier with HALF BREED?
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