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30.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:04 pm

I think your post is very interesting, Roswitha but also very depressing. I don't think that raising your daughters to be independant of anyone is such a bad thing. I have been living on my own since I was 21. I got married for the first time at 24 and had a child at 27. When my marriage broke up, I was still able to maintain my own home, my job and my lifestyle changed very little. My son is the center of my life but I know one day he will be a man and leave my home to go off on his own which is why I think it is important for me to have my own interests away from my family and my son. In other words, I am my own person. I don't think that makes me a terrible mother or that I don't believe in family values. I just love knowing that anything can happen tomorrow and I am not at the mercy of a man's fancy or whim (although I am remarried). So much personal satisfaction is derived from knowing that I am the master of my own destiny...I would feel powerless in a Turkish womans shoes.

31.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:10 pm

I can see your point, thanks for the enlightenment, Lisa. Good thoughts.

32.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:16 pm

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.

If some idiots misunderstand, misinterpret and mispractice Islam, it is not Quran's fault.

33.       Badiabdancer74
382 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:19 pm

There are a lot more than 'family values' in that article! No wonder Cem tells me I am getting Old at 33...50 is not old in the U.S. !

34.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:26 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.


That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?

35.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:27 pm

you are definitely too old for certain things and still way too young for som other things..

is that hard to understand?

36.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:33 pm

Quote:

Quoting catwoman:

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That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?



You dont have a clue to what this is about, do you?
At least read Western thinkers (Bernard Lewis) comparing relative merits of Eastern and Western cultures, values etc., before you jump into the deep end of the pool.

37.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:33 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

you are definitely too old for certain things and still way too young for som other things..

is that hard to understand?



Alpha, age is a state of mind and I think you are trying to hold western minded women to an eastern standard. Most of us in the west (men and woman) are told we can do anything we set our mind to and that we are never too old to try new things....we are trying to compare apples to oranges. Maybe a turkish woman might feel she is too old for something, but I don't think you can tell a westernized woman that and leave with your dignity.

38.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:37 pm

It is obviously hard to understand...

39.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:39 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

It is obviously hard to understand...



AHHHH....and that is the simple truth.

40.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:39 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.


That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?


Didnt you read what AlphaF's said ?
Muhammed SAV first wife was a business woman before she got married to him and after she did till she died
So i guess if there was cars those days,she would be driving one !
There is much difference between what should be and what is happening..that is not in İslam.
You can say women in some Muslim's country dont have personal freedom or ...blah ,blah,i accept
But i dont accept that you say Women in Islam !

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