Quoting Karine:

Hi everybody,
The Topic about Turkish men was interesting but now I wonder what about Turkish girls…
I would like to know if in this forum there are foreign men who have a relationship with Turkish girls and if any of them have got a bad experience or have been exploited for a visa…

Same the Turkish men are welcome here to give a comment!

Thank you for your answers… : )

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Karine: Hi everybody, The Topic about Turkish men was interesting but now I wonder what about Turkish girls… I would like to know if in this forum there are foreign men who have a relationship with Turkish girls and if any of them have got a bad experience or have been exploited for a visa… Same the Turkish men are welcome here to give a comment! Thank you for your answers… : ) I wonder how many replies this thread is going to have!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Karine: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Karine: Hi everybody, The Topic about Turkish men was interesting but now I wonder what about Turkish girls… I would like to know if in this forum there are foreign men who have a relationship with Turkish girls and if any of them have got a bad experience or have been exploited for a visa… Same the Turkish men are welcome here to give a comment! Thank you for your answers… : ) I wonder how many replies this thread is going to have!! Why don't you start??? : )))) Don't you have experienced something??? : )

Quoting thehandsom:

I think my experience with Turkish girls wont count as I am Turkish man. Sorry

Quoting SuiGeneris:

i am waiting impetiently too lol
did you get the seeds?

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting ciko:

turkish girls...they need love,care, sweet words for 7/24.. if you ever stop caring about them you will be blamed for not caring enough..

let them stay away from me

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting Karine:

Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting Karine: Quoting ciko: turkish girls...they need love,care, sweet words for 7/24.. if you ever stop caring about them you will be blamed for not caring enough.. let them stay away from me affective dependence... I see not all of them actually... again we will start not to generilize bla bla bla i guess i have seen this movie before... but the species ciko has seen are quite alot...

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting AlphaF:

I have to consult MOM, before I can reply this question...

Quoting teaschip1:

Wow, that's interesting. Is it perhaps Turkish girls have more experience, I bet that's what it is.

Quoting AlphaF:

What is described, criticised and somewhat mocked in this article is what is loosely called "family values", Close to being forgotten in the Western Hemisphere.

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.

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Quoting AlphaF:

you are definitely too old for certain things and still way too young for som other things..

is that hard to understand?

Quoting AlphaF:

It is obviously hard to understand...

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

But in order to keep the subject alive (and flamed ), I can say that Turkish girls are much better in bed then you western girls. So do not be surprised when a Turkish man leaves you for his ex Turkish gf or his wife.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

Quoting Elisabeth:

but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Canli, Please correct me if I am wrong but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion. At least this is what I have been told...is it true?

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting AlphaF: Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own. What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden. That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting femme_fatal:

super!
kadisha, super business woman driving expensive cars on one hand
and aisha with all other wives from colorfull harem wrapped up with blankets kept home

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Trudy:

Come on, you are all off-topic! Back to the first question please!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Trudy:

the female Dudu's etc as stated in the first post.

Quoting Trudy:

No, we can't. But there are soooooo many topics about all aspects of Islam that I like to hear this other part: the female approach, the female Dudu's etc as stated in the first post. Just for a change (and because I'm curious.... .

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.

If some idiots misunderstand, misinterpret and mispractice Islam, it is not Quran's fault.

Quoting femme_fatal:

TC Humor Police is here!

QUIET everybody!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Alameda, if people INSIST on turning every thread into a promotion of the beauty of Islam (talking about religion is also against the rules) then you cannot complain when people have opposite views and express them.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Alameda, if people INSIST on turning every thread into a promotion of the beauty of Islam (talking about religion is also against the rules) then you cannot complain when people have opposite views and express them.

I believe this is the first mention of Islam in this thread.

Quoting Trudy:

Where are the 'experiences' of foreign men with Turkish girls, like the OP asked? Only thehandsom told one (and that wasn't very positive for us western women...).

Quoting alameda:

This aggressive attack on Islamic values and insult to those who are most revered in Islam is way way out of line, and VERY much against Forum Rules.

I think the reason the "rules" were implemented was to prohibit just such activity. There isn't enough time or space here to get into religious debate. It's a very deep subject and few here are educated enough to delve into it.

One thing for sure is you don't see in Turkey are the elderly abandoned to Senior care facilities while their children have "more important" things to do. Children enjoy the love and care of an extended family/village, not profit driven child care centers. Food is created by people who have an interest in the health of those who partake of it, not the profit of the sale of a manufactured for profit commodity.

Think about it.

Quoting alameda:

The men converted to Islam and are close to the women's families.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Capoeira:

I wonder how many times femme has actually been to Turkey.

Quoting teaschip1:

It is not common in the states to convert to Muslim, who ever is painting this picture, is totally incorrect.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

..............
Please put me in a nursing home when I am elderly and unable to take care of myself. I would never put that burden on my children. I believe the parent's job is to raise their children, not to have their children stop their lives to take care of me. Just my thought.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting alameda:

I am only reporting truthfully what I have seen. I made no value judgements, but reported what I witnessed. If it bothers you, hey that's too bad.

Quoting Elisabeth:

when I die I will rise up from the grave and haunt his every waking moment!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting alameda: I am only reporting truthfully what I have seen. I made no value judgements, but reported what I witnessed. If it bothers you, hey that's too bad. alameda, alright, you just stated the facts, ok, no problema but if it bothers me why is it too bad? bad for you or me? make yourself clear, plz.

Quoting femme_fatal:

canli
you should indeed end discussing with me on islam

Quoting femme_fatal:

because you know nothing on it. the only way you believe in this religion is the way you were raised in this. you have no choice, so do many other muslims, because apostates should be punished by death accordin to islam.
your knowledge on this religion is too weak to discuss with me, all you know is a traditional local islam.

Quoting femme_fatal:

i will always question and criticise you, no matter how many defenders you have on this site.
cheese

Quoting teaschip1:

It is not common in the states to convert to Muslim, who ever is painting this picture, is totally incorrect. Same as Muslim men converting into Christians, very few.

Quoting Elisabeth:

I can only speak from my own experiences, I had the "burden" of growing up with my Grandmother living with me. I learned to sew, garden, cook, I learned the wonderful stories of her past and the history of my family. She even taught me how to read music and play the mandolin. Now my mother is disabled and my son has that same burden to look forward to. My healthcare career started by working in a nursing home and if my son ever puts me in a nursing home, when I die I will rise up from the grave and haunt his every waking moment!!

Quoting alameda:

I didn't say it was common, I reported what I saw, and you did not see.

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My grandmother is in a nursing home currently and loves it. Couldn't imagine being anywhere else. She has made so many friends and they have so many activities for her, even wine tasting ever Thursday night. I realize there are some bad nursing homes and you should really investigate them before making a decision, however not all of them are terrible.

I see how stressful it is from friends of mine who caregive for their parents. They said they could never put their parents in a nursing home, but now are regretting that decision. I know it's a difficult decision to make, sometimes it's the best decision. They can be around people their own age, have planned activities and still fill independant instead of having their children do everything for them and being resentful.

I could never imagine asking my son to put his life on hold to take care of me, I would never do it.

Quoting teaschip1:

They would at least need to visit me every week...

Quoting teaschip1:

Please put me in a nursing home when I am elderly and unable to take care of myself. I would never put that burden on my children. I believe the parent's job is to raise their children, not to have their children stop their lives to take care of me. Just my thought.

Quoting CANLI:

Why would i want to discuss it with you at the first place ?! hee

Quoting CANLI:

Next thing you will teach me about my OWN religion İmam FF ?! hee hee
İ wonder how many years have you studied İslam,and how many İmams have taught you so you are qualified to teach İslam?!
You made me laugh.. thx lol

Quoting CANLI:

Defenders?!
Hmmmmm,defend me against what ? who is attacking me,and on what base ?!
For being Muslim and Eastern ?!
Anyhow good to know that i have many defenders in this site
Feel free to do whatever you want dear,if i care !

Quoting femme_fatal:

people
why dont you take into consideration that there also could be horrible families that no elder would want to stay with?

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting Karine:

Hi everybody,
The Topic about Turkish men was interesting but now I wonder what about Turkish girls…
I would like to know if in this forum there are foreign men who have a relationship with Turkish girls and if any of them have got a bad experience or have been exploited for a visa…

Same the Turkish men are welcome here to give a comment!

Thank you for your answers… : )

Quoting thehandsom:

-a Turkish girl wont open her legs easily.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting mylo:

They start talking sense?

Quoting mylo:

No had a couple of hit jobs on crooked Home Office workers,stakeout,inform,kill in that order,so i've been a bit busy as there are so many of them

Quoting femme_fatal:

people
why dont you take into consideration that there also could be horrible families that no elder would want to stay with?

Quoting Elisabeth:

I can only speak from my own experiences, I had the "burden" of growing up with my Grandmother living with me. I learned to sew, garden, cook, I learned the wonderful stories of her past and the history of my family. She even taught me how to read music and play the mandolin.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting justinetime:

hmmmm.... turkish women who don't open their legs easily, are good in bed??? :-S anyway... so turkish men just want to have sex with western girls even if they are not completely satisfied... i mean compared to turkish girls...( oh this isn't meant to be an insult for western girls, and turkish girls also... just a comment from the previous post. ) hmmmmm.... men... tsk tsk tsk....

Quoting egyptian_tomb:

i am not sure that is how E meant it. I think from the sounds of it she enjoyed much of what she learned from her grandmother. i think? :-S

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

tho this chat about elder people make it offtopic, let me just add some points.
i just thought that we idealize elder people.
people, not all grandmas and pas are that nice as some of have here.
you know, that some old people can so annoying. i dont mind taking care of them physically, but mentally i surely wont cope with some of them.
i had two different grandmas.
and i had a really nice 85 year old neighbour lady, she was a super wise woman. loved having chats with her.

so lets not draw a picture of old people as if they were angels. i agree they raised us, they helped us, but some of them behave really nasty. when i look at them i wish i could be a nice old lady supporting youngs, advising them.
and quickly die before i become a burden.

Quoting lada:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting justinetime: hmmmm.... turkish women who don't open their legs easily, are good in bed??? :-S anyway... so turkish men just want to have sex with western girls even if they are not completely satisfied... i mean compared to turkish girls...( oh this isn't meant to be an insult for western girls, and turkish girls also... just a comment from the previous post. ) hmmmmm.... men... tsk tsk tsk.... loved it! a really good post, just in time!

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i was just quoting a previous poster that said turkish girls don't open their legs easily... hehehe... well i guess if the guys are called dudus then what should the girls be??? (oh yeah... my timing is totally perfect!!! )hehehehe :angel

Quoting lada:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting justinetime: hmmmm.... turkish women who don't open their legs easily, are good in bed??? :-S anyway... so turkish men just want to have sex with western girls even if they are not completely satisfied... i mean compared to turkish girls...( oh this isn't meant to be an insult for western girls, and turkish girls also... just a comment from the previous post. ) hmmmmm.... men... tsk tsk tsk.... loved it! a really good post, just in time!

Quoting ciko:

am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls.

Quoting ciko:

the reason they dont open their legs easily is that they are just afraid of their families and traditions. if the traditions let them have sex before marriage i am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting MrX67:

how can you dream a happy people while youth prefer to open legs instead of open hearts?????

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls. oh plz no comparison it sounded like who quickly and easily open their legs contest!

Quoting ciko:

Quoting Roswitha:

Invisible Ties
Beeing a woman in Turkey is something different than in Europe. Luckly or unluckly, you are born in a society with so many invisible rules, lets say ties.

There are two main points in the life of a turkish woman: first marriage(means first sex, leaving family, becoming someone else that she is not), second having a child(means from now on she does not exust). Whatever success she gets at her school, in her personal relations, at her work what makes her “good” or “bad”is the way she is as a wife and a mum. Society is so obsessed of the separation between good and bad ones. Of course there are not always blacks and whites in life. Mostly there are different colours between white and black. The women with different colours learn to act, act like somebody else but somebody totally white. They apply that to all their life if they are not strong enough to revel these ties. Most of the modern living women in Turkey, mostly living in big cities, have shortcut solutions for that style of life with hard rules: They cheat, lie , hide but always smile. So they become more and more mysterious ,diplomatic and smart as much as a fox in human relations.

The women in Turkey educated to become polite, sensitive, feminin enough but not vulgar or sexy. Every women was born into the fact of becoming a mother one day. Mothers are the holiest: beeing mother means that carrying the name of your husband, the future honour of your child and your family`s name also cooking good and beeing a perfect housewife. Exactly like in the model of a wife in USA. Untill you ‘ll become a mother, the society accepts you as a virgin. That means you ll become a mother one day, so you must take all the responsibilities of having the title “mother” one day. You should not be too clever, too talkative, crazy , childish ,you should not have a boy friend or sex, you should not have make up, you should not laugh laudly, you should not go parties or come home late after 6 pm and so on so on..Shortly, even you are still a teenager you should be neither a women or an adult nor a child or a teenager. In the rebellious ages of the teenage, times of a fight for existing as yourself and becoming a person in the society, that is a hard kick given to women on the ass. With so many dilemmas between her natural development and the family-society rules, how can we expect to create a heathy future mums,future generations. Before learning to be a person how can a woman learn to be a mum. These are the questions that my society forgets to ask himself. When the little girls in europe occuping their minds everything else but beeing a mum, the turkish girls are beeing kneaded with the rules of her future life. She has to deceide between the family love+rules she learned and her independancy. When she goes to another city to work, to study she lives abit her own life. However,it is very rare that a women leaves the house before she is married even she works and earns her own money, enough to pay for herself alone. She lives her own life according to her unapprouved choices secretly hiding from family and people arround.

Marriage is not so simple in Turkey, having a family is a kind of life’s aim, the most important decision of someone’s life which is supposed to last for ever. That means so many charges are overloaded to that word for both men and women. After passing from family’s lovefull arms to a totally new envirenment like marriage ,women have of course tramvas. Because the women had never learned to live on her own or with somebody else than her family and also becouse the life outside is quite different than the fairy tales realising with a marriage as she learned all her life, she got difficulties. Depending so much on the family is same for the men, that causes always problems between couples and their families. Some marriages ends becouse of that. Here another role waits for the women, outside the pressures she had in her life untill now,from marriage on comes an extra one: the respect she must give to the family of her husband. She must be ready to commit every service for her husband’s family. Sometimes that causes big tragedies for the couples. For exemple,if she is not good exercised of housework in her younghood, she’d surely have a pressure from the family of her husband or envirentment in her unsuccess on cooking and other house-works’ style. Funny but stil common even in the most * modern* families: A good wife is the wife who looks beautiful, cooks the best, who serves the best and who has the cleanest and tidies house. She must always smile when she is serving to the guest who is there also as a criticizer.

In the case of divorces or loosing the husbands, women becomes another status in the society. Now she has to be more restricted than she was already. She is a widow/divorced now, a horriable word which all the women in my land hate. Cause now on most men arround her, sees her like a hunt, she has no care of her virginity anymore and she has noone anymore to protect her ,so that makes her available for them! Going out, looking nice, flirting, having fun in life is again a big sin for such single women like in their teenage. She must forget about coming home late in midnight, wearing colourfull or decolty, laughing longly,chatting long with the male baker in her street that she used shop since long years. Like for the girls making friendships with several boys is isolated by the society, some of the people will cut their contact to her. Even some of her same sexuality will see her as a danger for their men. Some old women will try to find new husband candidates for her which are much more older or under her standard. Because she must not stay a widow/divorced!

When a married women is older than 50 in Turkey, if she had not any problem with the nature, she is already a mum. But an old one. She is probably a bit fat, she makes no sport. Her child/ren is/are probably grown up. If she was working, she is probably retired. Now starts the life for a turkish woman with coming heath problems of aging, abit late but better than never. She wears mostly darker colours (young colours are for young people in my
land), probably has not many hobies and not much to do out of house works. Some of them began to wear a hair scarf and becomes more religious because the breathe of death seems no far anymore. Some of them apply the pressures, sorry traditions, to their son’s wifes or daughters that they had partly in their first years of marriage from the family of the husband learned. Some of them are occupied to grow up their grandchil/ren. Yeah 50 ies are not old ages, life starts for them but ironically they have already deceided that the life is ended.

Having a child changes all the life of a mum. Mostly the women are disappointed and unhappy in their marriage , and the child sometimes becomes the only reason to go on to that marriage. Beeing a mother is a holy thing. She learned that all her life. Now she is a mum. It is time to apply what she had learned about sacrifising. And she does that. She can close her eyes for all the beauties and attractivities of the life: happiness, health, love, money, sex, success, hobies.. From now on, she does not exist but her child. She can easly give up from her carreer, her health, her pleasures and from herself. Because as she learned from the family, she got the aim of her life and nothing left. She gives up taking care of the life outside. She gives less impostance to her look, her job, her husband…This time it is not anymore a must from the society, it is coming from inside her. Now she is changed into a protector, a sacrifiser a logical adult from a women married into dreams. In that point appears problems in the marriage too for some couples who are even happily married untill having the baby. Then if a woman gets a boy as a child, she buys him an auto-toy, if she gets a girl ,she buys her dolls and all the pinky kitchen accessoires. Then she teaches her children what she had learned from her parents and society: she teachs her son how to be a *man * and her daughter how to be a future’s *mum *. So restarts another cycle for another turkish woman…

[Cigdem Savaseri-Brackmann]

Quoting Prym:

Quoting MrX67:

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if the turkish woman isn't able to bear a child... then what happens to her???...

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting ciko:

the thandsom said a turkish girl doesnt open her legs so as easily as western women..it sounded like a"ll turkish girls have such beautiful values ...and western women are so cheap"..i just dont like it..

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: the reason they dont open their legs easily is that they are just afraid of their families and traditions. if the traditions let them have sex before marriage i am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls. i dont support sex before marriage. are you serious ?

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Quote: Quoting Elisabeth: 100% serious but why?:S what is the point of staying virgin before marriage? why you should not make love with your lover when your body craves his or her body? i just cant understand

Quoting MrX67:

and not easy to understand people who looking for honor between legs instead of in brain??

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it is true that a couple's relationship should be stimulated by intelligence... having something in common, compatibility their brains and what not... i think it is still an individual preference, an individual's perception of his or her values and principles whether she should "close her legs or not".if she thinks it's the right time to do it, then good for her. if the person thinks that keeping her "legs closed" before marriage will ensure her of a good marriage and relationship in the future, she is entitled to that. Personally i also believe in no sex before marriage, and i think it's also because of this that my bf respects me more. he is waiting for us to get married before i we do it.

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting justinetime: Quoting Elisabeth: I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship. i'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way... i was just using a random example, and wasn't referring to you. i do agree on the part that it is not wise to jump into bed with anybody...

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: the reason they dont open their legs easily is that they are just afraid of their families and traditions. if the traditions let them have sex before marriage i am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls. i dont support sex before marriage. are you serious ? 100% serious

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Quote: Quoting Elisabeth: but why?:S what is the point of staying virgin before marriage? why you should not make love with your lover when your body craves his or her body? i just cant understand me either ciko if ppl in this world get themselves laid,there would be peace! turkish women are never horney or having a desire,just like arab women,they weare belt of virginity!c mon ppl..even if you are raised to keep your virginity untill marriage you still make love with the one you love and when marriage comes there is so manny ways to prove your virginity to your hubby i was travelling a lot to eastern countries and countries of balkan where is the same situation about virginity,and what i have heard,when i was talking with young women..i was shocked! anyway why the hell is virginity so important,i ll never understand! one life,let it be pleasure then

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Dont forget living in sin..When you decide to shack up with a man before marriage.. Back in my parents, grandparents this was considered immoral. In fact the girls who lost their virginity before marriage were considered sluts. But now were in a new era and I believe it's more commonly accepted.

Quoting femme_fatal:

oh
i dont worship virginity, and i dont demand it from anyone, and i dont consider it above all.
its just my strict moral values, that i dont support loose sex with no a confirmation like marriage.
everyone free, and im free to tell that im against that.
having said that, i will raise my children telling them that its important to be responsible for what you do, because there are always the consequences esp in case of sex. they will have to learn to control their feelings and emotions.

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Quoting AEnigma III:

Some of you really shock me!!!! Having sex before marriage does not equate with loose morals! I would not recommend marrying as a virgin to anyone!

Sexual chemistry is as important between two people as love. Its possible to have one without the other. I would never take the risk of marrying someone I loved but had not had sex with! The "joy of discovery" on your wedding night may not be what you dreamed!

With regard to marriage, if you are religious then fine. If you are not, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with living together (some of you use the word "shacked up" or "living in sin" as a as if you are from the 1950s!!!). I know many people who chose not to marry years ago and have far more loyal and committed relationships than married people. In addition, I hate the underlying "ownership" which marriage brings (on both sides).

Do you want to put someone in a cage and hope they stay inside or do you want to keep them free and always know they choose to be with you

There is, of course, an added advantage. You never become a "wife"

Quoting Elisabeth:

Is it love day again on TC?

Quoting Trudy:

All the paperwork but also the pain the split-up gave me, made me just call it 'my divorce' even I know some people would not consider it that way. I can assure you, there is no difference in pain when you get betrayed. That piece of paper you get at city hall will not protect you nor will make the pain worse.

Quoting SERA_2005:

My god! The world has gone mad,we finally agree on something!! I can't believe it.

Quoting Trudy:

That piece of paper you get at city hall will not protect you nor will make the pain worse.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Nicely said...and I mostly agree. I tell my son the same thing.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Trudy:

I won't call you oldfashioned or judgemental because of your own values for yourself. But I will (and even more) if you (or anyone) because of these values call me 'easy' or 'cheap' or if you obstruct me in my personal life.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Elisabeth: Nicely said...and I mostly agree. I tell my son the same thing. liz what if our children give no shit to what we say?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Capoeira:

Just as I thought...you make oversweeping comments and remarks without having any experience.

Your comments do not fit the Turkey that I am living in...

Quoting alameda:

This conversation is amazing, and you wonder why Western Women have such a bad reputation in Turkey? Don't you have any sense of modesty or discretion?

Nobody wants used merchandise, nobody. Why do you think billions are spent to be the FIRST on the moon, the First to XXX? Men are famous for being the first to mount Mt Everest. No less would they like to be the second, third, fourth or whatever with their wife.

In the West there is a epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases. Where do you think they come from?

If two people are committed to each other they will learn to work together. Your not talking about buying a new pair of shoes, you are talking about making a committed relationship between human beings.

You certainly are reinforcing the present opinion of Western Women.

Quoting Trudy:

Ooffff, Saint Alameda is orating!

Quoting alameda:

Quoting alameda:

This conversation is amazing, and you wonder why Western Women have such a bad reputation in Turkey? Don't you have any sense of modesty or discretion?

Nobody wants used merchandise, nobody. Why do you think billions are spent to be the FIRST on the moon, the First to XXX? Men are famous for being the first to mount Mt Everest. No less would they like to be the second, third, fourth or whatever with their wife.

In the West there is a epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases. Where do you think they come from?

If two people are committed to each other they will learn to work together. Your not talking about buying a new pair of shoes, you are talking about making a committed relationship between human beings.

You certainly are reinforcing the present opinion of Western Women.

Quoting AlphaF:

A good idea regarding relative HAPPINESS and FULLFILMENT INDEX of US and say, SAUDI women can be figured out simply by comparing.

1. percentage of female alcholics between the the two nations.
2. Percentage of female drug users between the two countries,
3. Percentage of unwed mothers between the two countries,
4. Percentage of female suicides between the two countries.
5. Percentage of females looking for love and affection elsewhere, between the two countries,

Quoting AlphaF:

A good idea regarding relative HAPPINESS and FULLFILMENT INDEX of US and say, SAUDI women can be figured out simply by comparing.

1. percentage of female alcholics between the the two nations.
2. Percentage of female drug users between the two countries,
3. Percentage of unwed mothers between the two countries,
4. Percentage of female suicides between the two countries.
5. Percentage of females looking for love and affection elsewhere, between the two countries,

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AlphaF:

Statistics beats bullshit by unhappy and unfullfilled Western women - anytime.

Happy and fulfilled Western women are softer, more feminine, nicer, and they generally know what they are talking about....

Quoting AEnigma III:

HAPPINESS AND FULFILLMENT OF SAUDI WOMEN

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/245074/Saudi_Marriage_Expert_Advises_Men_in_Right_Way_to_Beat_Their_Wives