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40.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:39 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.


That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?


Didnt you read what AlphaF's said ?
Muhammed SAV first wife was a business woman before she got married to him and after she did till she died
So i guess if there was cars those days,she would be driving one !
There is much difference between what should be and what is happening..that is not in İslam.
You can say women in some Muslim's country dont have personal freedom or ...blah ,blah,i accept
But i dont accept that you say Women in Islam !

41.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:40 pm

Quoting thehandsom:


But in order to keep the subject alive (and flamed ), I can say that Turkish girls are much better in bed then you western girls. So do not be surprised when a Turkish man leaves you for his ex Turkish gf or his wife.
lol


hmmm... when are you planning to leave your western woman to reunite with a turkish girl?

42.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:42 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.


That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?



Thats your biggest mistake you cant decide up to whats going on in SA. they are not the presenters of islam if you ask me...

43.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:44 pm

Canli, Please correct me if I am wrong but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion. At least this is what I have been told...is it true?

44.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:45 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.


this is actually very interesting. a young man marries a rich old woman nice! i should clap my hands and say bravo mr mohammet

but then what happent to him? is that because he was freed from his old wife and compensated his sufferings with many many women including very young ones?

45.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:48 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion.


Please show me the cultural rules that are separate from religion (and that religion is against) which are the cause of the oppression of women.

46.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:49 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Canli, Please correct me if I am wrong but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion. At least this is what I have been told...is it true?


Yes in the most cases,and in other cases is wrong understanding for religion itself,for example,why the heck women cant drive cars ?
What this got to do with İslam ?!

47.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:53 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.


That's really fantasy what you're talking about. Women in Islam are the most oppressed women in the world who have no personal freedom. In SA they can't even drive a car! How about MEN'S place? In between his four wifes...?? You call that "family values"?


Didnt you read what AlphaF's said ?
Muhammed SAV first wife was a business woman before she got married to him and after she did till she died
So i guess if there was cars those days,she would be driving one !
There is much difference between what should be and what is happening..that is not in İslam.
You can say women in some Muslim's country dont have personal freedom or ...blah ,blah,i accept
But i dont accept that you say Women in Islam !


super!
kadisha, super business woman driving expensive cars on one hand
and aisha with all other wives from colorfull harem wrapped up with blankets kept home

48.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 07:54 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Canli, Please correct me if I am wrong but many of these woman in Islamic countries are opressed because of cultural restrictions and not necessarily because of their religion. At least this is what I have been told...is it true?


Yes in the most cases,and in other cases is wrong understanding for religion itself,for example,why the heck women cant drive cars ?
What this got to do with İslam ?!



I am no religious scholar but cars where not even invented when Mohammed was around...I have to agree with you. It is one of those things that make you say...HUMMMMM!

49.       CANLI
5084 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 08:04 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:


super!
kadisha, super business woman driving expensive cars on one hand
and aisha with all other wives from colorfull harem wrapped up with blankets kept home


Look,Kadica ,Ayşa, and all Mohammed's SAV wives are holy to us,i would've answered to you if i know you would show them same respect that we show to Holy Mary,but knowing you wouldnt,so better end it.

50.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 08:07 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting femme_fatal:


super!
kadisha, super business woman driving expensive cars on one hand
and aisha with all other wives from colorfull harem wrapped up with blankets kept home


Look,Kadica ,Ayşa, and all Mohammed's SAV wives are holy to us,i would've answered to you if i know you would show them same respect that we show to Holy Mary,but knowing you wouldnt,so better end it.


why would i care if you respect mary or not?

i surely respect those poor women, but i think you prophet never did!

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