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60.       femme_fatal
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 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:26 pm

TC Humor Police is here!

QUIET everybody!

61.       Capoeira
575 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:30 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Trudy:

Come on, you are all off-topic! Back to the first question please! lol


we cant talk of turkish girls out of islam, can we?



No, we can't. But there are soooooo many topics about all aspects of Islam that I like to hear this other part: the female approach, the female Dudu's etc as stated in the first post. Just for a change (and because I'm curious.... .



I agree with you. I wonder how many times femme has actually been to Turkey...How do you really describe such extremes? Living here has opened my eyes to the true meaning of *land of contrasts*. It really is here. How do you define a country where punk, mini-skirted, tattooed women co-exist with covered chain smoking women and women covered completely only revealing nose and eyes? That is what I see on a daily basis.

Within these diverse families there are similarities: importance of family opinion in making major life decisions just to name one. So this is like Latin America or even in the USA where families can be strong and big factors in chosing careers and future mates.

My question is; How free are we western women truly? How many of us would marry a man of a different race, religion, or economic status if our family put their foot down and said no way! I know good friends in the US who have called off weddings becaus their parents said no. So Who are we to judge another culture...

Yes there are oppressed women in Turkey and it is much different than an oppressed woman in the west...

But we shouldn*t make this an islam vs. the west issue. It isn*t just that...

62.       AEnigma III
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 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:31 pm

Alameda, if people INSIST on turning every thread into a promotion of the beauty of Islam (talking about religion is also against the rules) then you cannot complain when people have opposite views and express them.

I believe this is the first mention of Islam in this thread.

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.

If some idiots misunderstand, misinterpret and mispractice Islam, it is not Quran's fault.

63.       Trudy
7887 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:34 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

TC Humor Police is here!

QUIET everybody!



Not me!!!!! (being police and for sure not being quiet!)

64.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:35 pm

I know a few Turkish ladies who married American men. One was quite sad, others successful.

The horrible marriage, her husband beat and abused her. She had two children and had to stay in the country to be near her children, as he wouldn't let them leave the country. She was a "secular" Muslim. She worked hard to support and care for her children, he did not offer very much support, certainly not enough to actually support them. She did an amazing job raising her children, both are now in college and doing well.

Two others married American men and are happy. The men converted to Islam and are close to the women's families.

65.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:36 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Alameda, if people INSIST on turning every thread into a promotion of the beauty of Islam (talking about religion is also against the rules) then you cannot complain when people have opposite views and express them.


+100000

Why do I just agree with people today...?

66.       Trudy
7887 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:36 pm

Where are the 'experiences' of foreign men with Turkish girls, like the OP asked? Only thehandsom told one (and that wasn't very positive for us western women...).

67.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:41 pm

You have a point there AEnigma.....I guess we should never mention ANY religion directly in order to keep out of these religious wars. Some react in a particularly vitriolic manner. It does become difficult at times. I just posted about 3 Turkish ladies who married American men. In it I mentioned some of the men converted to Islam. That was mentioned as a historic fact.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Alameda, if people INSIST on turning every thread into a promotion of the beauty of Islam (talking about religion is also against the rules) then you cannot complain when people have opposite views and express them.

I believe this is the first mention of Islam in this thread.

Quoting AlphaF:

Islam does not bar muslim ladies from taking an active role in science, commerce, business etc. Muhammed's first wife was a well known business woman (Hatica) who managed trade caravans running all around the place, all on her own.

What Quran decrees however is that the natural and the best place for any woman is by her family...it is an advice, a divine guidance. Other options are open to personal preference, they are not forbidden.

If some idiots misunderstand, misinterpret and mispractice Islam, it is not Quran's fault.

68.       Capoeira
575 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:41 pm

Quoting Trudy:

Where are the 'experiences' of foreign men with Turkish girls, like the OP asked? Only thehandsom told one (and that wasn't very positive for us western women...).



Hate to break it to ya...it seems that the view of western women isn*t too high around these parts ,Turkey, but oh well!

But now i am turning this thread into another topic...hmmm...back to the topic Turkish women!

69.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:52 pm

Trying to talk about Turkey and not mention Islam is like trying to talk about the weather without mentioning the word rain.

70.       teaschip
3870 posts
 13 Nov 2007 Tue 09:56 pm

Quoting alameda:

This aggressive attack on Islamic values and insult to those who are most revered in Islam is way way out of line, and VERY much against Forum Rules.

I think the reason the "rules" were implemented was to prohibit just such activity. There isn't enough time or space here to get into religious debate. It's a very deep subject and few here are educated enough to delve into it.

One thing for sure is you don't see in Turkey are the elderly abandoned to Senior care facilities while their children have "more important" things to do. Children enjoy the love and care of an extended family/village, not profit driven child care centers. Food is created by people who have an interest in the health of those who partake of it, not the profit of the sale of a manufactured for profit commodity.

Think about it.



Please put me in a nursing home when I am elderly and unable to take care of myself. I would never put that burden on my children. I believe the parent's job is to raise their children, not to have their children stop their lives to take care of me. Just my thought.

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