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Should Türkiye be ready to join European Union (EU) ?
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01 Dec 2007 Sat 08:33 pm |
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 06:51 pm |
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It's not going to happen any time soon.
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 08:27 pm |
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Yes, you are right...
Türkiye do not want to join EU anymore.Türkiye is a fastly developing country in its own way.
You know European Union and USA are on the same way.
They have same values and standards.They have come from an unique culture, a whole culture.The people of Europe have same culture.
At the beginning, European Economic Community has been established between a few countries against Germany.
Then European Economic Community has been formed again as European Union (EU).
Look at NEWSWEEK Magazine (USA)'s September 10,2007 issue.
NEWSWEEK says "The End of Anti-Americanism, by going against public opinion, After a stormy break with the U.S., European leaders(Germany,England, french, etc)are forging a new Atlantic Aliance".
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 08:30 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Yes, you are right...
Türkiye do not want to join EU anymore.Türkiye is a fastly developing country in its own way.
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then why do you raise the question?
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 08:40 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7:
You know European Union and USA are on the same way.
They have same values and standards.They have come from an unique culture, a whole culture.The people of Europe have same culture. |
Sorry Yilgun, but you obviously don't know much about Europe then. There are very diverse cultures in Europe. The strongest differences being between mediterranean, germanic, eastern european and scandinavian countries - we are not one big "lump" called Europe. Visiting another EU country is as diverse culturally as visiting Turkey.
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 08:49 pm |
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Thank you so much AEnigma, I respect you, your opinions...
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 08:59 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting yilgun-7:
You know European Union and USA are on the same way.
They have same values and standards.They have come from an unique culture, a whole culture.The people of Europe have same culture. |
Sorry Yilgun, but you obviously don't know much about Europe then. There are very diverse cultures in Europe. The strongest differences being between mediterranean, germanic, eastern european and scandinavian countries - we are not one big "lump" called Europe. Visiting another EU country is as diverse culturally as visiting Turkey. |
and that doesn't even address the cultural and ethnic differences between the USA and Europe as well as inside the US with it's Pacific Rim influence.
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 09:05 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Thank you so much AEnigma, I respect you, your opinions... |
i envy you, animage 
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 09:07 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: i envy you, animage |
I know 
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 09:09 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: i envy you, animage |
I know |
they all love and respect you 
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 09:21 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: i envy you, animage |
I know |
they all love and respect you
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Femme, you are just an aquired taste (for lack of a better term...pls don't turn this into a cannibal dudu post). You are a unique blend of realism and uncontrolled inner monologue.  They just don't appreciate you.
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 10:13 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: i envy you, animage |
I know |
they all love and respect you
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Especially, when your so helpful to those poor girls with dudus! 
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 10:16 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: i envy you, animage |
I know |
they all love and respect you
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Especially, when your so helpful to those poor girls with dudus! |
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03 Dec 2007 Mon 11:50 pm |
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!!!???
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04 Dec 2007 Tue 02:40 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7:
You know European Union and USA are on the same way.
They have same values and standards.They have come from an unique culture, a whole culture.The people of Europe have same culture.
At the beginning, European Economic Community has been established between a few countries against Germany.
Then European Economic Community has been formed again as European Union (EU).
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Actually, the idea of EU goes far back in time to Charlemagne - Charles the Great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
Founding EEC was not aimed against Germany.
Here is a link about a brief history of EU.
http://www.historiasiglo20.org/europe/integra.htm
Interesting resources are also to be found in The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/display.cfm?id=348927
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 09:03 am |
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http://www.tepav.org.tr/eng/admin/dosyabul/upload/184_turkey_and_europe___the_way_ahead.pdf
in case the link does not work
after _turkey_and_europe_the_way_ahead.pdf
EU report on accessing ...
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 08:34 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus:
http://www.tepav.org.tr/eng/admin/dosyabul/upload/184_turkey_and_europe___the_way_ahead.pdf
in case the link does not work
after _turkey_and_europe_the_way_ahead.pdf
EU report on accessing ... |
interesting article.
such a pitty about the gangin' 
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 08:53 pm |
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Turkish cultured and well-educated Public Union do not
embrace European Union (EU),they embrace civilization, like M.K.Atatürk...
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 09:40 pm |
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Well, for me, someone who had a living experiences on both continents, i can tell you for sure that we are not a one all the same culture, as well inside Europe cultural diferences are many, from one country to another.
So i don´t think Europe and America have same culture or values, as even within Europe it self each country has many cultural diferences and it´s own values.
Same apllies for Turkiye.
I unfortunally, as someone who loves to see and know other cultures and it´s people, i never had the experience of living in Turkiye, only visited, but liked so much that plan to return soon.
Culture, values... a country and it´s people for me can only be seen in one way: with respect. That´s what makes us all diferent and at same time, equal.
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 09:50 pm |
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 10:01 pm |
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Culture, values, standards lead the community.Bad or good.
We have no right to judge it..
It is a system or an organism.
We should respect other peoples cultures and values.
There is an "Diversity in culture stock" in the universal philosophy...What is "Bad" and what is "Good", you never understand...
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 10:09 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus:
http://www.tepav.org.tr/eng/admin/dosyabul/upload/184_turkey_and_europe___the_way_ahead.pdf
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i have read the above document, i must state its a brilliant summary on the issue.
this part was interesting;
Women’s rights
Atatürk’s early republican regime gave women the vote, banned polygamy and encouraged removal of the
veil. But courts continued to turn a blind eye to religious
second marriages, were indulgent towards honour
killings of women and left the patriarchal system intact.77
By one measure of gender equality, Turkey’s performance
is 105th in the world, twenty places below any EU
country, let down especially by low ratios of females in
school, the labour force and representative government.78
Women had to wait for the EU reform process after 2001
to win equal rights in marriage, divorce, education
and property. Family courts have now been set up. Adetermined government-led campaign pushed for school
enrolment. These reforms were started by a broad-based,
Kemalist-right wing coalition government in 2001 and
continued strongly by the AKP, which is a paradox for
those in the Kemalist establishment who suspect that
party of a reactionary, Islamist agenda. A recent report
on Turkish women by the European Stability Initiative
(ESI) said:
There are some who fear that Turkey may be
turning its back on its secular traditions. Some of the
loudest voices come from Kemalist women, who
insist that the rise of “political Islam†represents an
acute threat to the rights and freedoms of Turkish
women. There have even been calls for restrictions
to Turkish democracy, to protect women’s rights.
Yet such an “authoritarian feminism†is out of touch
with the reality of contemporary Turkey and the
achievements of recent years.
A similar paradox surrounds women’s use of the
headscarf, which emerged as a paramount symbol in the
debate about whether Abdullah Gül, whose wife wears a
headscarf, was suitable to become president of Atatürk’s
republic. Kemalists tend to view the headscarf as a symbol
of reaction, while the newly urbanised part of the
population that supports the AKP sees it more as a symbol
of identity, mobility and independence.80 The Kemalist
secularists could claim a more general success: the
proportion of Turkish women appearing with no head
covering increased from 27 per cent in 1996 to 37 per
cent in 2006.81 The 22 July 2007 election also doubled
the number of women in the 550-seat assembly to 49,
most from the AKP.
The ESI report suggested the future for Turkish women
could be brighter than the low world ranking implies and
that change is a matter of time and prosperity, not culture.
It noted that Spain and even Sweden lagged behind
in various indicators until two decades ago. While not
minimising the still great distance between law and
implementation for women’s rights, it concluded:
There are those in Europe who see the low status of
Turkish women as a reflection of an alien culture
that has no place within the European Union. Yet
patriarchy was also an integral part of European
culture, not so long ago….Is there any reason why
Turkey should not follow in the footsteps of Spain,
Ireland and the rest of Europe, towards a truly postpatriarchal
society? It is clear that the vast socioeconomic
changes underway in Turkey have created some of the conditions for a radical change
in the status of women.
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08 Dec 2007 Sat 10:24 pm |
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Are there true women's rights in other countries?
What does "WOMEN'S RIGHTS" mean?
It is only a word..
Description?
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 02:06 am |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Are there true women's rights in other countries?
What does 'WOMEN'S RIGHTS' mean?
It is only a word..
Description?
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Of course there are women's rights in other countries. Here is an article which will help define this for you.http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/essays/w_rights.html
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 02:12 am |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Culture, values, standards lead the community.Bad or good.
We have no right to judge it..
It is a system or an organism.
We should respect other peoples cultures and values.
There is an "Diversity in culture stock" in the universal philosophy...What is "Bad" and what is "Good", you never understand... |
Sorry to break it to you, but NO, we don't have to respect cultures that live by values which don't respect human rights. We CAN and we WILL judge them! Some cultural values are simply better then others! Deal with it.
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 02:40 am |
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Poles are to be blamed for this late EU.
If it was not for Mr. Jan Sobievski, Europe would have been united under a single flag, loong time ago. 
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 02:45 am |
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Yes of course we respect human rigts, but universal true human rights...
We also respect animal and plant and nature rights...
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:02 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Poles are to be blamed for this late EU.
If it was not for Mr. Jan Sobievski, Europe would have been united under a single flag, loong time ago. |
We would all be muslim now under a crescent flag. I bet that's the version they teach you in Turkish schools!   
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:08 am |
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On the contrary....Turkish history records Mr. Sobievski as a heroic and worthy opponent.
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:16 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: On the contrary....Turkish history records Mr. Sobievski as a heroic and worthy opponent. |
he was named by the Turks the "Lion of Lehistan."
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:21 am |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting AlphaF: On the contrary....Turkish history records Mr. Sobievski as a heroic and worthy opponent. |
he was named by the Turks the "Lion of Lehistan."
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It is time you get to know Mr. Bilinski too. He was a great character.
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:46 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Poles are to be blamed for this late EU.
If it was not for Mr. Jan Sobievski, Europe would have been united under a single flag, loong time ago. |
thank God there was sobieski!
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:51 am |
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EU will never fly...People there do not like, trust or respect each other.
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:52 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: EU will never fly...People there do not like nor respect each other. |
As opposed to Turkey and it's neighbours?
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 12:01 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AlphaF: EU will never fly...People there do not like nor respect each other. |
As opposed to Turkey and it's neighbours? |
+1
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 02:57 pm |
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Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:31 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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i know that yilgun is athena!
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:35 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting yilgun-7: Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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i know that yilgun is athena! |
oooppppppppppps a BIG NO
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:49 pm |
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Quoting AtHENA: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting yilgun-7: Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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i know that yilgun is athena! |
oooppppppppppps a BIG NO |
oh, you are twin brother!
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:50 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AtHENA: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting yilgun-7: Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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i know that yilgun is athena! |
oooppppppppppps a BIG NO |
oh, you are twin brother!
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im a girl heheheeeee
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:55 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Do you know who was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE PADİŞAH and Turkish commander against king Jan III Sobieski in Vienna in 1683?
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i know!
kara balta vel qdemir!
a pathetic question, i have to admit,
for schoolchildren.
or you could give choices like
a) mickey mouse?
b) tarkan?
c) alladin?
d) anyone?
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09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:28 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting kafesteki kus:
http://www.tepav.org.tr/eng/admin/dosyabul/upload/184_turkey_and_europe___the_way_ahead.pdf
in case the link does not work
after _turkey_and_europe_the_way_ahead.pdf
EU report on accessing ... |
interesting article.
such a pitty about the gangin' |
thee only gangs I am interested to join are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbp-yFza8VU&feature=related
Polish blues music gang
Blues Brothers gang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imXMX5AMXLI
and
Danish Olsen Gang just due to old comedy movies
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 01:13 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting portokal: Quoting kafesteki kus:
http://www.tepav.org.tr/eng/admin/dosyabul/upload/184_turkey_and_europe___the_way_ahead.pdf
in case the link does not work
after _turkey_and_europe_the_way_ahead.pdf
EU report on accessing ... |
interesting article.
such a pitty about the gangin' |
thee only gangs I am interested to join are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbp-yFza8VU&feature=related
Polish blues music gang
Blues Brothers gang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imXMX5AMXLI
and
Danish Olsen Gang just due to old comedy movies
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Kanał audytywny - skrzynia biegów ikarusa
forget the gangs)))))))))))))))))
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 01:21 pm |
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Porto do you want me to die out of laughter?????Mercy me!!!!)))) Icarus gear box is all ok,but I already have black tractor))))
Blenders-I 've bought a black tractor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I6NBbbYxBM
as you can see I am well prepared for living in EU))))
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 01:53 pm |
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Quoting portokal:  No way!!!!
i will stop joking.
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you are not serious,are you?Don't even dare to stop!!! 
period of monkeyism is quite all right))))))))))) 
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 01:55 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: Are there true women's rights in other countries?
What does "WOMEN'S RIGHTS" mean?
It is only a word..
Description?
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Yilgun.
women's right covers a puzzle that needs to be solved by all those who want to take the elevator towards civilization.
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 01:58 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting portokal: No way!!!!
i will stop joking. |
you are not serious,are you?Don't even dare to stop!!!
period of monkeyism is quite all right))))))))))) |
oki-doki ))))))
no remourses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqQGWbDCqw
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 02:04 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting portokal: No way!!!!
i will stop joking. |
you are not serious,are you?Don't even dare to stop!!!
period of monkeyism is quite all right))))))))))) |
oki-doki ))))))
no remourses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqQGWbDCqw |
))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9pXb35jeI
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 02:25 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus:
))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9pXb35jeI |
yes, civilization
(reading spanish at a glance)
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 02:33 pm |
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Quoting portokal: Quoting kafesteki kus:
))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9pXb35jeI |
yes, civilization
(reading spanish at a glance) |
Portuguese)))))))))))
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 02:35 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting portokal: Quoting kafesteki kus:
))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9pXb35jeI |
yes, civilization
(reading spanish at a glance) |
Portuguese))))))))))) |
that would have been at the 2nd glance))))))))))))
kind regards, Porto
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10 Dec 2007 Mon 09:37 pm |
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Quoting kafesteki kus:
))))))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9pXb35jeI |
wonderful feeling
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welcome to the EU! wilkommen! soyez les bien venus! Isten hozott! etc...
