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A HISTORICAL NAVAL TREATY
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70.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:07 pm

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting AEnigma III:

No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.



These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it.



Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007..

71.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:17 pm


By 1793, the loss of American ships to the Algerine pirates had grown at an alarming rate. The following year, President George Washington asked Congress to approve a bill authorizing the creation of a naval force to protect American merchant vessels from the North African pirates. Congress complied in March 1794 with An Act to Provide for a Naval Armament, which authorized the creation of a fleet of six ships. This act marked the beginning of the United States Navy. Interestingly, the act did not provide for a navy department, but rather placed the navy's ships under the direction of the secretary of war. Further, the act did not create a long-term standing navy. It merely authorized the creation of a navy for use against Algiers, and stated that should a peaceful resolution to the conflict develop, the building of the American ships would cease. Clearly, Congress was not yet convinced that a standing navy was essential to the peace and security of the new nation.


72.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:18 pm

Make it 10 years in solitude. Hardly enough to bring you to your senses )))))))))))))))

73.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:26 pm

Do you recall this treaty?
Turkey signed a "Treaty of Friendship and cooperation" with Nazi Germany in June 1941. Soon afterwards, it selectively mobilized young men of Greek, Armenian and Jewish descent between the ages of 25 and 40. These "conscripts", many of whom suffered a tragic death, were sent to forced labour camps in the depths of Turkey’s eastern provinces. The following year, 1942, Turkey imposed the Varlık Vergisi, a special tax, which ruined the Greek minority's economy

74.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:33 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

When things get rough, the tough gets going ))))))))))))



I think Omega took his own advise..

75.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:35 pm

During World War II, Turkey remained neutral until February 1945. Officially, the tax was devised to fill the state treasury that would be needed if the Germans or Russians would invade the country. However, it is argued that another main reason was to nationalize the Turkish economy by reducing the minority populations' influence and control over the country's trade, finance and industries.

The tax was paid by all citizens of Turkey, but the country's non-Muslim inhabitants were generally imposed higher tariffs, often in an arbitrary and unrealistic way.

Around 2,000 people, who could not pay the enormous amount demanded for this sudden tax within the time-limit of 30 days, were arrested and sent to a forced labor camp in Aşkale near Bayburt in eastern Turkey.

76.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:38 pm

77.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:43 pm

Quoting ciko:

Quoting Roswitha:


Around 2,000 people, who could not pay the enormous amount demanded for this sudden tax within the time-limit of 30 days, were arrested and sent to a forced labor camp in Aşkale near Bayburt in eastern Turkey.



unfortunetely it is true and many old men in those camps froze to death. Turkish State in those years was no different to a terrorist organization !!!


Are you Turkish, if so Aenigma and I owe you dinner..

78.       E.T.K.O
0 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 10:50 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting AEnigma III:

No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.



These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it.



Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007..



Partially free concerning to what ? Freedom is stepping over the flag that had too much blood spilled for sake of it ? Freedom is killing the members of armed forces of a country in the name of a minority by grabbing a gun ? Although there is not an ultimate result up to now, Freedom is accusating to whole nation about the things happened in the past ? Freedom is hailing the bombs by coming up from thousands miles away ? Please explain what is Freedom, where it ends and where the law and order starts ? By the way ..in 2007, in the US criminals are still burning up on ride the lightning. How humanistic for a country which leads humanity.

79.       teaschip
3870 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 11:02 pm

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting AEnigma III:

No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.



These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it.



Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007..



Partially free concerning to what ? Freedom is stepping over the flag that had too much blood spilled for sake of it ? Freedom is killing the formerly forces of a country in the name of a minority by grabbing a gun ? Although there is not an ultimate result up to now, Freedom is accusating to whole nation about the things happened in the past ? Freedom is hailing the bombs by coming up from thousands miles away ? Please explain what is Freedom, where it ends and where the law and order starts ? By the way ..in 2007, in the US criminals are still burning up on ride the lightning. How humanistic for a country which leads humanity.



That is where lies the problem. Your description of free is very different than mine.

Would you like examples? Shall we start with insulting Attaturk to a mandated military or what about Turkey's best known novelist?

You mention all of the above and if you look at your own countries history, you have no room to talk..

80.       E.T.K.O
0 posts
 29 Dec 2007 Sat 11:13 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting E.T.K.O:

Quoting AEnigma III:

No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.



These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it.



Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007..



Partially free concerning to what ? Freedom is stepping over the flag that had too much blood spilled for sake of it ? Freedom is killing the formerly forces of a country in the name of a minority by grabbing a gun ? Although there is not an ultimate result up to now, Freedom is accusating to whole nation about the things happened in the past ? Freedom is hailing the bombs by coming up from thousands miles away ? Please explain what is Freedom, where it ends and where the law and order starts ? By the way ..in 2007, in the US criminals are still burning up on ride the lightning. How humanistic for a country which leads humanity.



That is where lies the problem. Your description of free is very different than mine.

Would you like examples? Shall we start with insulting Attaturk to a mandated military or what about Turkey's best known novelist?

You mention all of the above and if you look at your own countries history, you have no room to talk..



You can like somebody, or not. You can declare about what someone did, positively or negatively. But you can't insult. There is law and order. What happened to novelist ? He say something and he sued. Go to France and Switzerland and try to say there was not a genocide, if you can. And see the meaning of to be partially free.

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