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A HISTORICAL NAVAL TREATY
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 11:13 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting AEnigma III: No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place.  |
These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it. |
Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007.. |
Partially free concerning to what ? Freedom is stepping over the flag that had too much blood spilled for sake of it ? Freedom is killing the formerly forces of a country in the name of a minority by grabbing a gun ? Although there is not an ultimate result up to now, Freedom is accusating to whole nation about the things happened in the past ? Freedom is hailing the bombs by coming up from thousands miles away ? Please explain what is Freedom, where it ends and where the law and order starts ? By the way ..in 2007, in the US criminals are still burning up on ride the lightning. How humanistic for a country which leads humanity. |
That is where lies the problem. Your description of free is very different than mine.
Would you like examples? Shall we start with insulting Attaturk to a mandated military or what about Turkey's best known novelist?
You mention all of the above and if you look at your own countries history, you have no room to talk.. |
You can like somebody, or not. You can declare about what someone did, positively or negatively. But you can't insult. There is law and order. What happened to novelist ? He say something and he sued. Go to France and Switzerland and try to say there was not a genocide, if you can. And see the meaning of to be partially free.
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29 Dec 2007 Sat 11:21 pm |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting E.T.K.O: Quoting AEnigma III: No no, I am joking of course. The Ottoman Navy (and indeed the whole empire) was a kind of peace keeping force. They were so pure and good and their only aim in life was to see justice, free the slaves, give riches to the poor, and make the world a lovely place. |
These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it. |
Isn't ironic the U.S. abolished slavery in 1860, however Turkey is still only partially free....in 2007.. |
Partially free concerning to what ? Freedom is stepping over the flag that had too much blood spilled for sake of it ? Freedom is killing the formerly forces of a country in the name of a minority by grabbing a gun ? Although there is not an ultimate result up to now, Freedom is accusating to whole nation about the things happened in the past ? Freedom is hailing the bombs by coming up from thousands miles away ? Please explain what is Freedom, where it ends and where the law and order starts ? By the way ..in 2007, in the US criminals are still burning up on ride the lightning. How humanistic for a country which leads humanity. |
That is where lies the problem. Your description of free is very different than mine.
Would you like examples? Shall we start with insulting Attaturk to a mandated military or what about Turkey's best known novelist?
You mention all of the above and if you look at your own countries history, you have no room to talk.. |
You can like somebody, or not. You can declare about what someone did, positively or negatively. But you can't insult. There is law and order. What happened to novelist ? He say something and he sued. Go to France and Switzerland and try to say there was not a genocide, if you can. And see the meaning of to be partially free. |
That's ironic that your government teaches you not to insult and all I ever hear from Turkish members are insults about the U.S. & U.K. There is a saying practice what you preach.
On another note, I think the French are crazy to begin with..so it doesn't surprise me they have a law in place..it's ridiculous..
Lastly, I have big hopes for Turkey and hope that the U.S. remains an allie to them. I have met alot of nice Turkish people and your culture does fascinate me..
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 03:33 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: These definitely reminds me the name of a country in our present time which done the all things in the name of democracy. Hmmm, let me think about it. |
The difference between us is, I will agree with you about my country. You will never see fault in yours  |
I bet you would just say that on this forum , try to say it when you close by the short haired Brit holigans, or Maggie. But the thing you may not know is i'd rather conversation with them than you 
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:20 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Shall we discuss now where slavery originated?  |
Yes AEnigma, let's discuss where slavery originated? Do you know?
Almost everyone had slaves, it was rampant in all cultures. The Japanese and Chinese had slaves, the Aztecs, Maya, Toltecs had slaves, most African tribes had slaves.....and yes, it was common in Europe. By the way what would you call a serf?
The sad fact is, it still exists in the world today.
"The most cited statistics on trafficking come from the U.S. State Department's annual reports on trafficking in persons. According to the 2005 report, 600,000 to 800,000 people are trafficked across international borders each year, with 14,500 to 17,500 trafficked into the U.S. The report does not provide data on sexual exploitation specifically; the numbers include people trafficked for any sort of forced labor."
And, here is an annoying link for you, or anyone who is really interested in the issue.
Human Trafficking
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:26 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting E.T.K.O: I bet you would just say that on this forum , try to say it when you close by the short haired Brit holigans, or Maggie. But the thing you may not know is i'd rather conversation with them than you |
What a strange way of thinking you have! Of course I would speak my mind about British politics - to anyone. It is the 'British way' to criticise ourselves (sometimes to the extreme). It is a very rare thing to say "I agree with the government" - you would almost be mocked for it! For example, you will find the the majority of British people NEVER supported us going to Iraq (including members of our government) which is probably why our dear former PM did not call a referendum on this particular issue
As to our "short haired hooligans" they are right wing extremists (like you) but unfortunately unlikely to enjoy tea and a chat with you because (like you) they are racists and against immigration.
By the way Maggie is a little demented now - I think you and her would get along just fine 
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I was not mentioning about politicians, you know it. Anytime we critises our government politics too. Don't you know the our well-known saying while drinks flow is "what will happen the things going-on in Turkey?". But what i am saying is different than politics. It is different to support the government or not, than how you like your own ground. I do not like at all my present government, but that is not a reason to hate of or to be against my own ground. I am talking about real values, not temprorary things like governments. Could you say the Falkland War was shameful for UK ? Could you say , they were not martyrs ? I As a Turk, this is none of my business, I try to not to mention about Brit's or other country's inner issues as much as possible. Except when i get pissed off
However, i thought "quiet desperation" is the English way instead of "critise ourselves" .Pink Floyd was saying this in theirs song.
Finally, If i were a Brit who on command, You would miss Maggie alot.
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:27 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Origins in dark history is not important....Do you want to discuss who kept slaves until yesterday? |
Why not discuss what's happening today, and see what can and is being done?
"Virtually every country in the world is affected by trafficking for sexual exploitation or forced labour. The challenges for all countries, rich and poor, are to target the criminals who exploit desperate people and to protect trafficking victims. As the only U.N. entity focusing on the criminal justice element, the GPAT brings special expertise to the fight against trafficking.
"UNODC and Human Trafficking
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:38 am |
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What are you talking about etko? Your ideas about the ground only prove that you're a narrow minded nationalist.
You are being so ridiculous to "argue" that there's as little freedom of speech in the UK as there is in Turkey. It's just pathetic. Please stop making this ridiculous distinction between "criticize" and "insult". Especially that Turks get insulted by any sort of criticism! In normal countries people can insult whoever they want. It's only hate speech that's banned (which strangely enough doesn't apply to muslims in Europe).
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:44 am |
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Quoting catwoman: What are you talking about etko? Your ideas about the ground only prove that you're a narrow minded nationalist.
You are being so ridiculous to "argue" that there's as little freedom of speech in the UK as there is in Turkey. It's just pathetic. Please stop making this ridiculous distinction between "criticize" and "insult". Especially that Turks get insulted by any sort of criticism! In normal countries people can insult whoever they want. It's only hate speech that's banned (which strangely enough doesn't apply to muslims in Europe). |
Is that the only thing you can produce ? You'd only learnt "narrow minded nationalists" by rote. Thats all..Ahh ..Another is Freedom of speech.. Why don't you respect my freedom of speech then ? Freedom is belong the mass which consist of ones like you ? ( By the way go to France and say Armenian genocide never applied or about what happened in Algeria in the past, you know it is a normal country according to you )
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:50 am |
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Quoting E.T.K.O: Is that the only thing you can produce ? You'd only learnt "narrow minded nationalists" by rote. Thats all..Ahh ..Another one is Freedom of speech.. Why don't you respect my freedom of speech then ? Freedom is belong the mass which consist of ones like you ? |
That's all I care to produce for YOU. Sadly, I have to respect your freedom of speech here. That's what's so great about the West. In Turkey though............... (no freedom of speech basically). Freedom is also being a racist like you and the rest having to accept that every society has them.
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30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:57 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting E.T.K.O: Is that the only thing you can produce ? You'd only learnt "narrow minded nationalists" by rote. Thats all..Ahh ..Another one is Freedom of speech.. Why don't you respect my freedom of speech then ? Freedom is belong the mass which consist of ones like you ? |
That's all I care to produce for YOU. Sadly, I have to respect your freedom of speech here. That's what's so great about the West. In Turkey though............... (no freedom of speech basically). Freedom is also being a racist like you and the rest having to accept that every society has them. |
Ain't Your freedom to insult to every nation's values whenever you want. So no need to feel yourself so beaten and battered like this. Go ahead.
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