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ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 12:45 pm |
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Quoting janissary: when USA declares they have many enemies, it s ok for you. |
No, it's not. I am against US foreign policy, especially their actions in Iraq. Have I ever written that I support the US aggression?
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 12:47 pm |
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did I say something for you. I said ppl who dont accept turkey has enemies. they think we imagine enemies I dont know what u think.
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 03:04 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Really, Ataturk was the greatest world leader ever. Extremely brilliant - talking about having a vision and right judgment.. |
+1
If you ever get the change to go to Ankara, I really suggest (for all members) to go and visit Anıtkabir. It is really very impressive. I got lucky: the father of a friend of ours works for the army, so he could get us a personal guide and a special treatment.
But really. Turkish people sometimes dont seem to know what 'sense and simplicity' is, but Anitkabir is really one of the places that is so silent and undone of all 'over-do', that you realize even more what a great leader he was.
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 04:18 pm |
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I happen to believe it's the other way around.. The Middle East does enough to destroy themselves without the aid of the U.S.
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03 Apr 2008 Thu 04:27 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting catwoman: Really, Ataturk was the greatest world leader ever. Extremely brilliant - talking about having a vision and right judgment.. |
+1
If you ever get the change to go to Ankara, I really suggest (for all members) to go and visit Anıtkabir. It is really very impressive. I got lucky: the father of a friend of ours works for the army, so he could get us a personal guide and a special treatment.
But really. Turkish people sometimes dont seem to know what 'sense and simplicity' is, but Anitkabir is really one of the places that is so silent and undone of all 'over-do', that you realize even more what a great leader he was. |
sometimes u confuse me, I hope u are ok now or not drunk. Ur posts were a bit different before
about map. I dont take none of them serious. We are turkish youth, we re aware of everything
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04 Apr 2008 Fri 01:09 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
I haven't studied political science, but for all I know, neither the USA nor EU (or, in other words, the bed west) wants to take over Turkey. Why would they? From what I read here, I get the sense that the biggest enemy of Turkey is some of its people who are so full of hate that they see enemies even when there aren't any... |
Let's take a look at who is investing heavily in arms. Whose senate passed a defense doctrine even Hitler would not dare to pass in his heyday; who is routinely sending troops oversees.
To cut a long story short, the US, the UK have always been interested in the Middle East. Turkey has links to the region ethnic ties between Kurds and Arabs in this country. Therefore both of the countries are the sides of a nasty games being played behind closed doors.
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04 Apr 2008 Fri 01:34 pm |
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I absolutely agree that the Middle East is of great interest to the US. But it doesn't mean US would like to conquer Turkey. Turkey is an ally in NATO and is important for strategic reasons. If US wanted to divide Turkey and give part of it to Kurdistan, Turkey no longer would be an ally and would join anti-US countries and helped to form a strong front against US and EU. US would never risk it.
Politics have nothing to do with likes or dislikes, it is cold calculation of what is more beneficial. And it is more beneficial to the US to keep Turkey on their side.
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04 Apr 2008 Fri 01:46 pm |
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There are no frienships in international politics. Every country must be prepard for the worst. We cannot establish a foreign policy on the assumption that America will always be our friend.
Plus the US is fond of threatening their friends when it thinks that they are not submissive enough. A former US Defense Secretary once said when Turkey did not grant the US the right to use the bases in Turkey to organize the air raids from: Well, we (the US) can be sure that New York and Boston will remain in the US but can Turkey be sure whether Istanbul and Izmir will always be theirs?
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04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:16 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: There are no frienships in international politics. Every country must be prepard for the worst. We cannot establish a foreign policy on the assumption that America will always be our friend.
Plus the US is fond of threatening their friends when it thinks that they are not submissive enough. A former US Defense Secretary once said when Turkey did not grant the US the right to use the bases in Turkey to organize the air raids from: Well, we (the US) can be sure that New York and Boston will remain in the US but can Turkey be sure whether Istanbul and Izmir will always be theirs? |
Interesting then if Turkey was a so called friend they should have had no problem with letting us use your airspace. Then several years later decide to try to reep the benefits and go into Northern Iraq. I'm still not convinced of your governments motive for going into Northern Iraq. Some fear of a new Kurdistan, possibly?
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04 Apr 2008 Fri 03:23 pm |
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Friends don't threaten and humiliate friends. Friends don't take money from other friends and then turn around and act like they don't owe any allegence. Turkey isn't too proud to come begging to the US for money. I recall we forgave a 9 billion dollar debt to Turkey.
So Vineyard please explain friendship then to me?
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It means you take USA's foreign policy very serious 
