I wanna add smth to this subject:

"Türk'e kefen diken karşısında bizi bulur."

This student vow is our traditional features of Turkish educational system and applied in primary schools in order to strenghen the identites of the Turkish posterities. whether u like it or not, u have to show respect this tradition.

the most powerful states in the world are nationalist states. I lived in Paris and Marseille for a long time and observed that French people are very nationalistic, and they reject and ignore the people who are from different countries, and they believe that French nationalism help them to evaluate their identities as well.

Hence, nationalism is a necessity for the states to protect their ID's. Essentially, French Revolution in 1789 was occured in the centre of Europe, so what happened?

the nationalism style of Atatürk is very peaceful, creative, helpful, and innovative. Regardless the ethnic origin, if someone who likes his/her flag, country, culture, he/she's a Turk, that's all... Turks, Kurds, Cerkes, Laz, Armenians, Greeks in Turkey are all sisters and brothers and we live in Turkey peacefully, without any discriminative provocations. However, USA and EU makes agitations to divide the boundaries of Turkey with using ethnic identities in Turkey, and we are aware of these ambushes. (Real Turks must be aware of these kinda ambushes).

Whether u accept or dont accept, you must show your respects to our national identities. Turkey is belonged to Turks, that's all...

look what Atatürk's saying:

"Dünyanın bize hürmet etmesini istiyorsak evvela bu hürmeti, hissen, fiilen, fikren bütün hâl ve hareketlerimizle gösterelim. Bilelim ki milli benliğini bulmayan milletler, başka milletlerin esiridir."

22 March 1924.

any questions?

I just want to add one thing: French nationalism isnt really comparable to the nationalism you find in other West-European countries.. You are right, they are strong nationalistic and dont easily accept other people. Actually, I have been there on holidays many many times, and even if they spoke English, they just refuse to speak anything but French with me


And when Atatürk said 'Ne mutlu Türküm diyene', I am sure he meant nationality the way you try to describe: peaceful, with space for all ethnicities united in one Turkey. But it is put a little out of context by many ülkücü Im afraid


As a last: I respect your traditions, but that doesn't mean I agree with them And if you want a country to improve, you have to question your own traditions: what is good about them and what needs change? How can we improve our country, without loosing touch with our inheritage? But I dont think that is disrespectful. I think that is what Atatürk wanted: a people that grows to the future and moves along with the time.

u misunderstood my sentence. "Real Turks" implies the ppl who identify themselves as Turk, love livin in Turkey, defending Turkey... etc, regardless the ethnicity. that's all... where's the racist seep?

If u read the expressions of Atatürk carefully, u can clearly infer that there's no existence of "westernization". Atatürk's aim is to reach the contemporary civilization level and then to exceed it. The key of reaching and exceeding is "work, work, work efficiently, and follow the developments in the modern world." Besides, being aware of the ambushes to the motherland. that's all...

civilization can be located in the West or East. It doesnt matter. Our aim is to exceed the civilization level, and westernization can't provide Turkey to be successful, but Turkey should follow the developments in the West. Look what Atatürk's saying:

"Acılar gördük. Bunun sebebi, dünyanın vaziyetini anlayamadığımız içindir."

Atatürk used the nationalistic movements in French Revolution and adapted it to the new state. So, Turkish ppl became "Millet" and they gave up being "Ümmet". Ümmet sisteminden, millet sistemine geçtik böylece. Hence, it's very healthy for the Turkish ppl due to the becoming of "Millet". that's all...

Atatürk's expressions and revolutions can't be understood and emphasized without reading, making investigations from the creditable sources.

Ülkücü ppl betray the nationalism structure of Turkey, and no relationship with Atatürk's nationalism style. So, we dont have to take them seriously. They are the shame for Turkey and they always make agitations and chaos in Turkey. the last work of them is killing Hrant Dink. it's a shame for Turkey and dirt the image of Turkey in the world. I'm still castigating that event...

that's all..