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AK Parti stopped-no head scarves
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 04:00 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting CANLI: Quoting tamikidakika:
That`s why I said "together". praying in a cage like room behind the man that is seen by no one doesn`t mean praying together.. |
Cage ?!
Please pick your language !
Cages are for animals!
You dont show respect to others to talk about it!
At this point,i have nothing to say to you,right or wrong what you've said,actually i do NOT care !
Show respect first,then debat later !
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sure you`re free not to answer if you are not able to refute my argument. |
Look,im not a child to fall for that,read my post again,and if you dont understand have it translated to you !
İts OUTRAGEOUS calling women who are praying for their God animals !
İf you dont belive in God its your business,but you must respect other's choices too
İf you want respect give respect !
And if you dont give respect,then we have nothing to talk about ! |
Look who is talking about respect. When did I say don`t believe in God? Who are you to judge me over my faith in God? You know very well that I didn`t mean to call the women praying behind men animals, I didn`t even think you could make such an interpretation, and your interpretation doesn`t have to represent what I actually intended to say. So what should I be more respectful for? Im already respectful.
So can you stop accusing me of silly things to avoid arguing with me because you can`t refute any of my arguments?
If you don`t have anything to put forth about what I said about the headscarf decision, this will be my last post in this topic. My argument is there. you can try to refute it or else if you can`t you can go on making cacophony.
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 04:32 am |
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Quoting tamikidakika:
Look who is talking about respect. When did I say don`t believe in God? Who are you to judge me over my faith in God?
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Actually,you did !
That is what i understood from you over old PM as i believe
Maybe i got it wrong then,STİLL
İf you believe in God or not its your own business not mine,as i said in my post if you read it again
Where have i judged you about your faith then,huh ?!
Quoting tamikidakika:
You know I didn`t mean to call the women praying behind men animals, I didn`t even think you could make such an interpretation, and your interpretation doesn`t have to represent what I actually intended to say. So what should I be more respectful for? Im already respectful.
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İ dont know anything,as you just stated,i dont know you !
And even if you didnt mean it,you could have simply said so
İ wasnt the one who used the word CAGE in my post,and refused even to say i didnt mean it that way !
Quoting tamikidakika:
So can you stop accusing me of silly things to avoid arguing with me because you can`t refute any of my arguments?
If you don`t have anything to put forth about what I said about the headscarf decision, this will be my last post in this topic. My argument is there. you can try to refute it or else if you can`t you can go on making cacophony.
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İ dont make excuses to avoide an argument or debat,and everyone here knows that,but also i dont debat when i feel lack of respect,and everyone here knows that too !
So actually,you cant accuse me of that !
Using the word Cage while talking about women praying for their God,is not what we can call it respect for those women,can we ?!
İf you dont mean it that way,you could have simply said so,is it that hard ?!
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 01:49 pm |
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I'm sorry but I find it ridiculous that men and women cant pray in the same room. It is as if the presence of a woman will disturb the cleanliness and the sacredness of a man's prayer. Glad to hear that Egypt is a bit ahead and lets them pray in the same room, hopefully the same will be extended to namaz-times as well.
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 02:10 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I'm sorry but I find it ridiculous that men and women cant pray in the same room. It is as if the presence of a woman will disturb the cleanliness and the sacredness of a man's prayer. Glad to hear that Egypt is a bit ahead and lets them pray in the same room, hopefully the same will be extended to namaz-times as well. |
İts not in Egypt,its how Muslims pray.
Normally mosques are divided to two places,Men's place and women's place
We have our libraries,we have our bathroom 'water supplies' for abdest,we have everything there as men's have,and we all pray after same İmam
Just women part is smaller than men's part,because men's numbers who attend mosques are bigger than women's numbers
İf there is no such place at the mosque for women to pray,so women can pray at same place with men behinde their lines.
The point has nothing to do with cleanliness and the sacredness,but yes its about disturbance for both sides.
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07 Jun 2008 Sat 05:18 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting CANLI: When women have the permission to wear headscarves in UNİ
The number of educated women will be increased
And that İS a threat  |
and when will women be allowed in mosques with headscarf (let alone without it)? |
I'm curious what your experience has been regarding women in mosques. From my experience in Turkey, women have no problem going to mosques. Sometimes there is a balcony where women look down on the proceedings, other times there is simply a raised platform, or the women are in behind the men during prayers. During talks women are on one side of the room and the men are on the other side.
In Morocco and some other places women don't go or are discouraged from mosque attendance. I have a friend from Afghanistan, who told me women can't go to mosques. It would be interesting to have a survey of this, don't you think?
It is quite sad and contrary the teachings and practice of what happened during time of Mohammad (pbuh), as many women were in the mosques during his time.
I know the type of Mosques you talk about. Unfortunately there are, in my opinion, too many places where the women are given a not so nice room to pray and learn. They have to try to hear the sermon over a not so good PA system. It's disheartening to say the least, and very counterproductive.
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 04:23 am |
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I am glad to see that there isn't much activity under this thread after what France did with their students wishing to wear their turbans to class...
What happened to the European standards of secularism???
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14 Jun 2008 Sat 10:48 am |
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Quoting cynicmystic: I am glad to see that there isn't much activity under this thread after what France did with their students wishing to wear their turbans to class...
What happened to the European standards of secularism??? |
Ok, I'll risk coming out as ignorant but what did France do? I remember that ages ago they forbade wearing religious symbols at schools as it led to fights and the like. To eliminate that problem, measures were taken. What does it have to do with the standard of secularism? Now no religious symbols at schools are allowed. That makes the schools pretty secular, doesn't it?
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19 Jun 2008 Thu 06:48 pm |
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A beauty from Cappadocia with her Turkish Turban; she also could be the wife of the photographer
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5835422
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20 Jun 2008 Fri 02:01 am |
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every countries have a full right to protect their regymes. whwether you accept it or not, you must obey the decisions of the courts. so i observed that headscarf symbolizes the opposition of the regyme of Turchia.
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20 Jun 2008 Fri 02:15 am |
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Quoting Roswitha: A beauty from Cappadocia with her Turkish Turban; she also could be the wife of the photographer
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5835422 |
Can I ask what the relevance is here? and what you`re seeing in the picture is just a regular headscarf traditionally worn in the south east, not "turban".
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20 Jun 2008 Fri 04:48 pm |
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That turban looks hotter than heck..nice colors though for a turban.
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